- Or that this a monoculture Plantage. - or that nearly every other factory nearby needs more water. - that all of it was planted to cut down. - that these guys don't have any clue how the world works.

@@KookyBone - or that it's not relevant and that it is about Tesla and what it represents - capitalist exploitators pretending to solve problems.

Hmmm now, if you do some slight research and see who these "environmentally friendly" folks are funded by, you might see some names and affiliation from VW Groups. I mean, they wouldn't do such thing, that's like saying they would cheat the omission tests. Besides, these guys also protest against oil and gas guzzling automakers too, right?

the coal mine which makes electricity for your e car^^?

@@KookyBone or that all you say is irrelevant because they protest against expansion, not the damage that's already been done.

They see it. But the A/B testing showed that "Tesla cuts down plantation for new Gigafactory" didn't get the same number of clicks.

A man made forest is still much much better than concrete

And its also about not polluting the ONLY body of water in the area

@@violettaschmieder2096 in what way could the site do that?

Plantation or not, there are trees that have potential to absorb carbon and become REAL FOREST. If you cut it down, you dont have that potential anymore. We humans cutted down so much old forest that allowing new one to flourish would always be plantation effort. Its meaningless argument.

Mercedes is one of the biggest Bus producer.

@@merzto correct. Tesla not so much. 👎

True. Now they are getting Chinese made cheap electic cars there. What a shame.

They are making cars for both markets.

They make them in both parts, and get massive incentives from various governments to do so. Not sure how 'better' for the environment it would be tho. Since if you aren't clearing land and using water and possibly contaminating water in one area, you're doing it in another. You're basically just choosing where to dig a hole in a yard. If it's at the corners, in the middle or anywhere in between, it's still a hole.

@@ruekurei88energy cost of shipping will be affected by where the factories are

But the Europeans will ship there fabricated electric cars to Africa and the Middle East , so makes no difference. Your point is invalid

Whether it’s a plantation or not, our mass production/consumerism needs to stop. EVs aren’t the solution to future transport, we should be investing in public transport but it’s not as profitable so we take the more destructive path instead. Musk couldn’t care less about the environment either. Good on the people that are fighting back against these megacorps.

Democracy is about uninformed people making decisions together. There are majority rules, there are anti-majority measures.

Even so, you can't deny that very few factories have no impact on the surrounding water supply. Either from consuming much of the local supply or dumping their waste back into it.

Your comment is also totally misleading. What happens after these trees get cut down and no factory is built? I will help you. Either young trees will be replanted or there will be natural regrowth and you will get a new forest coming. These students think they save the planet and they are totally wrong. Most people buying Tesla cars think they are saving the planet and they are totally wrong as well. Building a Tesla is worse for the planet than building a combustion car.

@@Silks- _Whether it’s a plantation or not, our mass production/consumerism needs to stop._ Please just s.t.f.u.

So then why are they protesting then?

@@OliverNorth9729 For the same reason, nuclear plants are banned in Germany

​@@iakobkv271 Nuclear plants can avoid many of the woods in the world being cut down. I live in Norway, our goverment wants to bombard the country in wind turbines to make money. Making roads thru forests, cutting down forests to make roads and turbines. All while we do have another option nuclear. That only use 1/350th of the land wind turbines do for the energy it generates.. Im mad at Germany for closing down their nuclear plants without replacing them with new. Has increased the economic benefit for us here in Norway to cut down our forests. And the neo-liberalists are going hard. I did some math, based on UAE recent purchase and building of South Korean reactors. Norway could easy take the transition to electric society and have enough power for what we estimate to use in 2060 by only building 3 nuclear sites. With 4 reactors in each site. Total cost of 80-90 billion dollars (Abit high cost since it will be the first nuclear reactors constructed, so one is to expect abit higher cost than the experienced.) Total land area used to power us to 2060 is 6km2 with nuclear power. While we need to use 2,100 km2 if we are to power ourselfs with windpower.

So these clowns dont own the land they are squatting on? Thats rich.

​@@mrright1068 Watch the video.

Guess Tesla isn't German, hence, the protests under the guise of eco-climate concerns.

7:28 *They are at risk of contaminating crucial bodies of water.* German fail.

By that logic, Norway has no forest at all then. Only plantations. 94% of land is privately owned, and alot is used for timber. No they are forests, maybe not ideal virgin forests. But do fuction quite well as forests untill they are cut down. The longer they are left alone, the better forest it becomes. If we use your logic too, then we can pretty much just cut down the 140,000 km2 of forest in Norway and make Tesla factories there.

​@@MrDanisve- A forrest is where various types of trees are planted more or less random and are allowed to spread by themselves. A plantation consist of a single type of trees that are planted in straight rows, 4 meters apart to ensure sunlight and quick growth. Once the trees have reached a certain height, they are cut down, transported to a sawmill and turned into timber.

@@JanBruunAndersen yes, and this provides a more diverse ecosystem with a variety of habitats for animals and plants. Also natural forrest are mainly managed in Germany, but in a sustainable way. You take less timber out than can grow naturally. The ownership has nothing to do with that. Besides, Tesla compensated anyway by planting new, naturals forrests.

Public transportation

There's nuclear, but they refuse it as well.

​@@hugodelnegroMaybe if you live in a city but if you live in a more rural area is harder

No, its not the anti green right wing who is protesting, they never say no green transition if it means GDP. The ones protesting are the far left woke hipsters who want people to stop consuming and live in a 40sqm apartman with 4 gay friends and only use trams for transportation(soo basicly they want communism)

may be because these companies are german, perhaps.

Unions and Collectivism.

Because there is already a ban on selling new ICE cars starting in 2035. And yes individual EV will be to expensive for 80+% of the population in the westernworld, let alone the rest. Also apart from the environmental damage of mining the raw materials, there isn't enough of it in the world to replace ICE cars in use now. You want low cost, easy access transport, it will have to be mainly public transport and that is being lost due to costs. So people buy cars because they can't get to work without one. Mainly impacting low wage workers on early, late and night shifts somewhere in an industrial zone warehouse.

BIG OIL Pay them 🛢️⛽💰💰💰

ICE manufacturers also contribute to the issues these guys are against. Protesting the construction of an EV factory doesn’t negate the need to address environmental impact of ALL car manufacturers. Their focus on the gigafactory isn’t because it’s EV, it’s because it’s a massive factory in the middle of nature. It’s in no way absolving ICE manufacturers of responsibility.

People there dont use up much money at all and what they need they work for in the times theyre not in the forest, its rotating. A lot of things there work without money, like they eat food that otherwise would be thrown away by germanys wasteful supermarkets that arent being regulated

BYD

@@ajnaughtin1 oh yes.. its logical

@@violettaschmieder2096 Interesting..

Big oil is paying them probably. That’s the only thing that makes sense there’s no way you can tell me that those people are naturally that dumb

Yep! The complete lack of self awareness is amazing.

???

Wants more public transportation, protests against a train station. Some disjointed thinking going on.

@@jasongaylard2547 You can't increase biodiversity. Nature isn't a supermarket. Read the definitions of the words you throw around.

Polish people still drive around on horses and donkeys. It would be too confusing for them to get a car factory.

@@kelzuya funny thing is that the smuggest people are the most ignorant ones.

If tesla fanboys say so...

Nah she propably knows how unrealistig it is but its important to still remind people that they dont have to support the destruction of the environment that sustains us all, like its about literal life or death of everyone so of course its important to remind people whats at stake and that they still have some free will left

Me as well, absolutely delusional

​@@violettaschmieder2096 litterly about life or death ? you really think we are all going to die if we dont stop a ev factory from expanding ? People want to have cars and ev are better than ICE cars

The actual workers at the plant like Tesla and working there.

7:28 *They are at risk of contaminating crucial bodies of water.* German fail.

The problem is that EVs are NOT less polluting, they just move the pollution in different parts of the whole chain. Less direct emissions while it is being used, way more for manufacturing, and for producing the electricity to run it. Say nothing for the insane upgrade we need to for production, the grid itself, and electricity storage. It's actually a mind boggling scale of grid upgrade we would need for this... Which comes with massive pollution, as well as usage of more land. Overall, EVs being less polluting, is highly questionable at best, and straight up deceptive advertising at the worst.

​@simonthekindcutthroat6324 The thing about EVs is the potential to be less pollutant is there. We currently lack the infrastructure to sustain that. We need more solar/wind farms. We also need to make vehicles smaller. Less weight = less energy consumed. One of the reasons why my only vehicle is a motorcycle. It may be gas powered but I get almost twice the fuel efficiency as a standard vehicle. If an electric bike was in my budget, I would have picked that. Bottom line is we need to change as a whole and that requires the government to get on board too to fund that level of change. The problem I have with Tesla in general is Elon will move locations at the drop of a hat. If he feels like there is a better location that will allow him to skirt labor laws and give huge tax breaks, he'll abandon this factory easily.

@@simonthekindcutthroat6324 you need to look deeper into this to make a sound statement. EVs use way less parts and are faster to produce! But the main issue here is that scale of production is key to lower pollution per unit. ICE is at its peak and not much can be improved but EVs are just starting and scale will make them much superior to reduce pollution in the long run compared to ICE cars. Do you think only about now? The future is better without burning gasoline and I think that’s pretty obvious. The same counts for energy production! The sun can provide us with much more energy then we ever can use, and that’s just one kind of clean source. The point is we need to transition now and it will be not perfect in the beginning. Any delay will be painful later.

​@@kaigogolin515 I understand the POTENTIAL of it. My problem is the way they are marketed to people. As if they were less polluting and better for the environment RIGHT NOW. You might think that's not an important thing, but I do. I think people have been okay with a lot of change in human history, because industry deceived them, politicians deceived them. Making claims for what EVs are, that they aren't yet, is super unhealthy. It's the classic industry lying and lobbying for whats in their interest. Industries need to be held accountable for lies and scaling back milestones and improvements that were promised in general. Elon in particular is the wealthiest con man on earth. In any case, I think for any of this vehicle situation to make sense for humanity, we would need to limit vehicle sizes, which are insane, and fundamentally redesign urban planning to not be so car centric. (Good lord most of the city space is just parking its mental) That too, btw, was due to corporate lies and lobbying, hijacking city planning. Simply switching from one energy source to another ignores the core issues, and gives an easy 'out' in people's minds instead of forcing change where it would be important. Same thing happened with the plastic industries pushing recycling as a solution, so in the end, nothing changes, while people felt good about themselves, having solved the problem. EVs will be the same distraction.

Probably stolen from the local supermarket

It was me, I paid them to protest

EU ban on sale of new ICE cars goes into effect in 2035. So those are already on the way out.

Your speaking facts

How are the electric cars powered? The majority are powered by thermal plants that burn fossil fuel to provide electricity, the battery production also involves considerable environmental degradation and pollution, and the transport of logistics to and from the Giga factory also involves ships, rail and trucks that all use fossil fuels. Have you seen how rubbish your argument is?

@@user-sb3sn8di1s so it's better for the fossil powered car to pollute the air for years ? Dumbest reply I've ever seen.Your actually saying it's better to use a fossil powered car 😹. Your logic is that we should just not use EVs and do what? Walk? Or use fossil powered cars? Tell us

Batteries aren't exactly eco friendly.

Lmao, Berlin isn't going anywhere

It's not even always anti-capitalism or at least that isn't the root cause. The root cause is some syndrome where certain types of people wish to feel better about themselves and are achieving it by finding any possible cause that lets them lecture other people and protest about something. It's many of the vegans, the commies that became environmentalists after the initial cause died etc. Cause changes, syndrome doesn't.

@@cyberfunk3793 agree. I feel its people who have lost their perpose in life. Usually adults with no family or ones who havent built their own families. They’re ostracized and feel on the fringe so they glue then selves to these movements.

​@@-Nobody-1 as if the only purpose of life should always be family and nature always comes last (if it ever does)? Has it occurred to you that people can be sincere without your bs popular psychology analysis? and what about environmental activists who have families? your explanation doesn't quite work on that one.

​@@-Nobody-1yes, and they are also manipulated by the leaders of these "movements".

@@captaincat999 family and nature are one and the same. he's right, the people like this are just robots with no purpose. There are actual sincere environmentalists though

Maybe because there is no cleaner/legal/affordable alternative... Polluting in small scales doesn't matter, it's capitalism that drives the climate change.

​@duncan.o-vic so you guys are way ahead, what you guys are talking about is the stage of humanity where we don't need personal transportation; I don't think any government is aiming for that, ev's are the future they are pushing. I think these guys just hate Elon

@@duncan.o-vicwhy are the protesters not fighting any of the German gasoline manufacturers? You are actually supporting more gasoline car production with this protest. It’s a shame and the protesters look like hypocrites.

​@@duncan.o-vicgood that everyone don't try to justify it like you do 🤬

And building their houses from wood?

That’s the TL;DR👍

Everyone already knows that VW group sponsors the enviornmentalist that have been against Tesla from the beginning. The German auto industry is like the mafia. Just look at the history of the cheating they have done on environmental issues. like diesel emissions computer scams, just to mention one.

It's more about saving an already dry part of germany from drying out completely. They are already dealing with lack of water an forest fires. I don't support what those activists are doing, but also not how Tesla/Musk "deals" with that water problem. (Hope my school-english is understandable, sorry :D)

you did watch the video? there's also the issue of drinking water.

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​​@@bjarkih1977Putin puppet much? let's see. We can suck up tons more drinking water for coal but not clean EVs... I have to assume you work for Putin

Cutting down trees isn‘t very ecological, especially in an area that already suffers from insufficient rainfall. The fabric ‚s area is massive and the Waters cant‘t reach the soil, therefore the renainingtrees Are in danger of dying, too. But the activists despise the factory also because Tesla producesluxzry cars, that, prinarily are an excuse for wealthy resource hungre people, who primarily care about bering admired for their car, instead of helpibg the climate. Otherwise, they would not buy a New car, but Walk, take a bike or use public teansportation. Cars Like Tesla Are nothing but an excuse to continue living like there is no climate crisis.

But it happens to not be emission free, and it happens to be overproduced beyond the capabilities of current electric grids.

Maybe there are no brown field sites as big as this. This site is enormous.

This is an industrial site - it’s a forestry monoculture, not a natural forest. The trees were planted to be cut down.

It is a monoculture plantation, the trees will be harvested to make cardboard

They have 0 common sense, same type of people that ended nuclear power in Germany. Doing more harm than good.

And cooking with gas, building tree houses with commercial timber products and using electric tools. Geniuses!

That's a mono plantation of low quality man-planted trees destined for paper production. Its not a forest.

Germany isn’t that big compared to its population

It’s not a forest, DW is spreading misinformation. It’s crop for making cardboard. If you stop cardboard, you are going to get more plastic packaging. Also, it uses almost no water and is surrounded by things like coal mines which suck up all the water .

How about: because it is next to their plant einstein.

Haven’t seen skorts on someone in years!

Yep. Definitely feels more like that’s what’s going on here.