Yes, Let the torso turn. Throwing your weight doesn't make the shot more powerful.

Awesome to see Owen at TDG get some love. He does some really good instruction.

Excellent video once again Jaani! I think i will benefit greatly from this.

Awesome! My two favorite online coaches in one video!

My 2 favorite coaches! ❤

Great to see Trebouchet get some love. His production value might not be the highest, but he has one of the best feels and understanding on what body does in athletic movement.

these drills make a lot of sense to me. if I can manage to lock up and resist the urge to rip my torso around, then when it's time to actually throw all I have to do is the same thing shown here, but relax my core and let it do what it wants! Been having a lot of trouble with this exact problem recently, gonna have to try this out!

It’s been a while since I’ve watched one of your videos, but go figure mind blown 🤯 Can’t wait to get out there and practice this one. Thank you sir.

one of your best videos imo

Your videos never disappoint...

so happy I found your channel, great video and nice props to the other guy

I use the Matt Orum style throw now since it is the easiest way to set the disc on the line without overthinking things. Your video explaining that swing style totally changed my game for the better.

Best video ive ever seen!! Im definitely the guy in the video. Hopefully no more. Thank you Janni and trebuchet golf. 👏👏👏

ty, this is one of the hardest ideas to develop, I'll keep working on it. Have had some improvement.

Really appreciate what you are sharing. My throwing is slowly changing for the better. I played a woods coarse yesterday and I’m parring holes that I’ve never par’s before and I had some birdie chances. I’m getting 30 feet farther or more and I’m not trying to throw harder. No grunting involved. lol. I’m focusing on speed and getting the disc in the pocket. Next I’ll start working with this video

very helpful

I think another way to explain it is to keep your center of mass behind your center of pressure (in direction of the throw). The one legged drill is great to incorporate this because its hard to move your center of mass past the pressure point that way. Also 0:51 that's probably the best slow motion demonstration i've ever seen. most people show something completely different than what they are throwing. 😆

It's simple, no need to use your whole body to move a light plastic plate. Just use your bicep 💪🏻

my mantra on every single shot is "head down." it's partly a psychological thing to tell myself to stay present, not worry about everything else going on in the round or in life and just focus on that shot, but it's also because my most common issue is ruining my form by turning my head too soon to watch the shot (or moving my eye off the target to watch the disc on putts). also helps to keep me driving forward on forehands instead of "spinning" across my body, away from the target.

Finland looks strangely snow free... Suspicious 🤔

One of the ways I usually suggest people stop themselves from "toppling forward" is to pick the back leg up as a counterweight just like a kangaroos tail. In order for that to work the knee has to be turned in/forward quite a bit in order for the posterior chain to connect properly through hamstring, glute and lower back. How much hipmobility the athlete has will dictate how far back they can leave the knee and still do this. Reaching "down" with the off hand as you bring it in also helps keep that shoulder down to keep the torso on axis. Your own video on weightshift and the sweeper drill is also quite a good tool because many people start their "toppling" by not weightshifting properly.

Thank you and keep teaching us! I'll keep trying any and all technique advice until either my I've found and fixed all the factors that are holding me back from true big-distance or my body has ceased to be a part of this world

I focused today on throwing with my arm quickly instead of my body and I genuinely think I instantly added 50' of distance.The disc was coming out with so much more speed. This video was a major break through for me.

i realllly like that drill from trebuchet where you put your foot backwards on the one leg! i can def feel the difference.. i def was not rotating but more pushing self forward like example.. quality!

Good video. I noticed I’m dropping my elbow thanks to this video

"Hips don't lie"

Thanks for another great video. You're one of my favorite instructors on KZfaq. I like TDG too. Most of what I feel are the best instructors aren't necessarily the best players. I believe that's because Teaching is a completely different talent than Doing. I think Teachers have to be familiar enough with the content to Teach it, but I've found that those specifically with a talent for doing, are rarely very good teachers. Case in point. Paul McBeth is not a very good teacher. I'd imagine that Calvin Heimburg would be a terrible teacher. There are a few that have both talents, but it's not a given as some think. So, don't feel bad if you don't have a closet full of trophies, You rock at what you do and are absolutely necessary. Keep up the great work and thanks for sharing.

completely agree, mass will slow down movements, but strength training will create fast muscle twitch which will generate more speed when used properly.

This is a very common error in stick golf too. One leg drill is used to counteract it and also keep the target in your minds eye so you’re head doesn’t move to the target.

This makes alot of sense. Gareth gurthie is a great example of a player with large body but where the rotational axis doesn't move an inch.

Tried this once and felt a difference already

Perspective shift

I have been doing this (moving my body forward) for years, now trying to unlearn the habit. 650 repetitions thus far this week and counting. Still slipping back to my bad habit every now and then. I expect that I need at least 2000 reps to get rid of it. After that, time to add the x-step...

which Trebuchet video are u showing in ur video? id like to watch his as well...thanks

I kind of thought part of the reason that I do this is because I am trying to pull the disc. I am currently working on slowing down and basically throwing like a robot. Trying to get my off arm in and having my rotation bring the disc into the power pocket more than actually pulling it there. I will try that drill. I also definitely watch my disc too much, which brings the head up.

the ball golf guys say, "Keep your eye on the ball."

Jaani, näytä pala!

From a technique standpoint I totally agree with you... as a bigger and stronger player I keep realizing that the action in the arm is the most important part of the throw, full stop. But I disagree that disc golfers don't need to be "strong," and would say that 95% of players would benefit from lifting weights or becoming stronger overall. You can't be explosive without having strength, and having developed musculature also keeps you free from injury. To give some counterexamples of amazing throwers, there's Kristian Kuoksa, David Wiggins, and new distance thrower Nick Krush, whose athleticism and training seem to put them head and shoulders above the rest of the field. All of these guys are freakishly strong. Eagle, on the other hand, has famously dealt with injuries over the course of his career. Ganon, Klein, and Heimburg are all pretty young, too; there's no guarantee they won't get injured down the line if they don't train. Love your content, man. And I totally agree with your form tips :)

Will Schusterick K!LL$ it at this rotation. It’s unreal.

Where can this Postman drill be found you speak of around 1:30 ?

training for power is: heavy, or fast. A lot of people think it's done mostly through the big 3. That's true for power lifting. Most advanced power lifters also know this by training "speed reps" with lighter weight and/or elastic bands. For disc golf I think it's important to train for speed. Things like plyometrics and speed reps will make you throw farther. But training for hypertrophy in the off season is important for protecting your joints. A lot of these tall, lanky guys get hurt. Simon, Eagle, Calvin and Gannon all currently have ongoing injuries. And they're glass cannons.

The only reason i would call it a whole body movement is to promote the fact that it's a fascial movement and not a muscle one and the fascial plane needs to be correctly set up to generate power in a kinetic chain. in todays day and age with slumping shoulders, bad hips and inactivated glutes people's fascial tension is all screwed up but everyone could skip a rock as a kid. Also everyone's fascial anatomy is different, having a long torso is a big advantage in this sport because you aren't reacting to an opponent so you have time to set up. Look at Albert Tamms set up, its so good.

When I lose my rotational balance and lean forward, thinking putting more into it, I tend to misfire low anyway. Not good.

i tried the back loaded grip and it didnt do anything for me.. was worth a try but again didnt do anything for me.. oh well! when i get the nose down i get an extra 70ft on any shot.. ive got to find a way to get the nose down easily!

I had this same problem with the elbow for a looong time. Finally fixed it when I realized the root cause was a subtle rounding brough on by a plant step that was too wide to the left (RHBH). The shoulder moves up to make room for the disc and the arm collapses close to the body. The fix was to make a straighter stride, and exaggerate a wider “reach out.” This non example is rounding big time

The angle you're at to achieve this looks like a pure hyzer shot. How can you put your body on that much angle and not throw a hyzer?

i want to creqate a drill based off this video called the chicken drill .. ever saw someone hold a chicken and move their body left and right? the head of the chicken will NEVER move! thats what we need to do.. rotate the body without rotating the head

Boom! Roasted by the Doctor himself. 😂 I wish one of you would have talked about how the camera adds gray hairs, but either way I appreciate the insight! 🙂

Vastikään törmäsin tähän trebuchetin kanavaan. Kaveri vaikuttaa hommansa osaavalta. Ps. Kiitti taas videosta, näitä on kaipaillut, fribaskenen ylivoimaisesti parasta antia.

Interesting discusison. I fear that people hear "dont get strong" and then interpret that as "strength doesnt play a role in disc golf". I think that EVERY passionate disc golfer should be strength training as hard as they possible can to facilitate a lot of fun practice on the field and on the course. Everyone will throw farther if they get their deadlift and squat up. You heard it here first :D

feel like sling shot disc is saying the opposite

Look at a major league home run in super slow motion. They don't move their body at all. It's wrists and hips.

Looks like he is in Taipei, Taiwan.

Every throwing sports athlete needs to learn how to use steel mace and club bells to get rotational strength and intelligence. If you dont know, at least check it out its worth your time. 🎉

the one leg drill feels weak and will always feel weak. there is no way to speed up rotation without driving into your plant with your back leg. I don't understand how its such a glorified drill to promote a "healthy rotation." Also saying you don't need to be strong is a catch 22. You need to train your speed muscles too. Plyometrics, Explosive athletic training all plays a role in being able to throw far. Professionals have learned a way to harness the energy you can gain with fast twitch muscles. Just seems bait-ey to say you don't need to be "strong" to be able to throw far.

????? Are you not the guy that was demonstrating how to snap a towel by rotating the hips? Now you are saying don't rotate. ?????????

I don’t understand… so you’re actively throwing (pulling) the disc with your arm? This seems contrary to every other teacher I’ve seen…

foot fault

Teach the Mountain how to throw. I wanna see that

Thank for getting my upper torso in the correct position! I can’t wait to go out and try my new knowledge tidbit! 🥏💫😎

Yeah, but throwing 315 (ab)using all your muscles looks waaay cooler than a smooth 450... 🫠🦾😂