Can you please do a reaction video on your take to Patrick Bet David recent video "Employee Leverage Is Gone"?

um. This has been a problem for the last decade. Where have you been?

When you apply for a job and 4 months later they tell you they didn't pick you...

@@Commiehunter12 Yes - I know that, but alot of other people are in the dark about it.

PS Screw Kelsey Liebert. Nice making us all, including me, jump through flaming hoops to be rejected for a 35k a year position that massively overworks/underpays. Like, seriously, you and your entire company deserve to FAIL.

Yeah or an internal person that wants to try out a new position.

i see that at my current job, as an executive admin, i filter resumes and meetings and interviews, 5 years of doing this, let me tell you, even before job get posted, they already knew who they gonna hire but still ended up interviewing 5 other candidates. I want to kill myself each time i have to call and arrange an interview with those candidates that im 100% not getting this job, no matter what, and i see how hard they have worked on their cover letters and super well dressed for the interview. So many times i wanted to just go ahead and tell those poor souls that go home, you are just wasting your time here.

This happens at my place too and it’s a school of all things. Every time they want to hire a new teacher, one of the headmistresses arranges it so that it’s one of her buddies from her old school. Staff favourites can also invite their friends and family to apply for other roles. They only hire outside of that when they’re desperate (which on reflection is how I got in 😂). It makes for such a toxic gossipy cliquey environment and it’s sad seeing them literally laugh at the resumes of qualified teachers who want a chance at a job

Another possibility: collecting resumes and applications and using that as an ongoing threat of instant replacement against employees, to keep them compliant.

Yes, this is huge. I remember applying for a company where I knew a few people who worked there. I also knew a few of the people who were applying. Long story short, none of us who applied got the jobs and the people I knew who worked there straight up told me they didn't hire anyone new. They just moved people around and gave the employees more responsibility.

smash the place up!

This should be reported to your state's department of labor.

That’s some ugly shit, man!

Wow 😮 they are going to hell for sure. What a bunch of scum bags

@@theresa78201 Stuff like this happens because a red state DOL won't do anything

Bonus points for having a time requirement in a tool that doesn't exist for that amount of time.

@@hellboy19991 Required: 8 years of experience with ChatGPT-4.

Or 5 pages of requirements that would actually mean the combined effort of five different departments 😂

Senior this or that, ten years experience in this leading big implementations. Then the job pays $60k in Chicago 😅

Exactly-when companies request in a job description that one must be an expert in a multitude of softwares no one has ever heard of along w/a zillion other of duties...huh???

"dead end jobs" are hiring like crazy. PS: dead-end jobs don't exist, only careers you give up on... Every company has a CEO, and everyone wants to promote from within (or they say they do) because turnover is expensive.

@@randomuserame nah they don’t care about promoting from within. They make the job so easy that they don’t have to value experience skill and knowledge. That’s why people complain so much about the help at places like big box hardware stores. It’s their business strategy to have high turnover and keep wages low because wages are the biggest expense of most retailers. (Because manufacturing is done at slave wages overseas).

skilled labor or trade skills are extremely lucretive. just no one wants to do them. you want a good job look into welding or electrician. my plumber buddy made about 20-30k a month. he took the "emergency" jobs for companies. fucken bastard still owes me 20 bucks though.

@@randomuserame LOL people quit because there’s no path to promotion. That’s why they’re called dead end jobs. My fiance has been an entry level marketer for 5 years and she makes millions for her company, hits all her goals and quotas and they keep telling her she’s too valuable to promote. She complained to HR and they gave her a $10k raise but still refused to promote. That’s normal now. Everyone she works with is in the same position. You’re just ignorant of reality.

Make sure u actually call them. So many of my freeloading friends apply for jobs and never follow through. Its how they weed out worthless pukes. If you dont even call about your app why would they hire you?? Not saying u didnt just make sure u do dont waste your time twiddling your thumbs beating your meat and watching netfix.

Be honest and stay unemployed lmao it's utter bullshit!

Lied my way into every job I've gotten. This is the job market boomers wanted, so that's what they get.

@@shadow7988 Damn I feel you homie. xD

You hurt yourself and the company by lying to them, not to mention you hurt those who are more capable and have more integrity. In the end everyone is worse off, including you. You will eventually understand that.

@@SRose-vp6ew Not necessarily, if you know you can do the job and you lie about some bs so you can get the job you did what you had to do to get there, these same people could turn to crime instead out of desperation. A lot of jobs have stupid requirements that really doesn't matter at all to the job you're supposed to be doing, it's simply a case of elitism, wanting people who are way overqualified to do basic tasks.

Yeah, more government is clearly the solution to any problem in the job market. 😫🤦‍♂

@@worldhello1234 Ok, boomer.

​@@worldhello1234 Ask any other country with actual working laws. The US isn't just the only developed nation without any real worker protections and the option for free healthcare, it's one of the few FULL STOP. Many developing nations actually have these things.

well we know how much our politicians protect us (right or left)

I think it is the government faking unemployment rate. They post jobs that don;t exist meaning the economy is doing great

A hidden self destruct works just as well if you can't afford lawyers.

I was taught to do this for any code I write in the very first CS class I took in college.

Copyright is automatic. But also, don't work for free in the first place.

And then when they DO get around to calling you back, you already have a job and they act huffy. It's almost funny!

Do NOT get pregnant or married now. We are entering the GREATEST DEPRESSION where the starvation of the Great Depression 1930s will look like luxury times.

I first experience this just over 20 years ago and it was outstandingly frustrating, and I think deceitful. I went through two or three interviews and did very well and then the hiring manager eventually told me that they were basically waiting for the contract to come through so they can hire people. I was never told this prior. This is also why I put minimal effort into my job applications. I have a generic résumé with little interest in crafting a cover letter.

On Indeed and LinkedIn, I go for the “Easy Apply.” Why waste more time to go through the employer’s website?

Yes but they would just adopt a Publisher's Clearing House model or something where they hire one person a year from their hundreds of fake job postings to feign legitimacy.

Since when is it someone else's responsibility to not waste your time or someone wasting his time with you because it always goes both ways?

Waste their time then

@@Dave102693 Seems kinda fruitless and counter productive when they are the less vulnerable party.

my dude theres soooooo many things that should be against the law that employers do. hell, many times they just do illegal shit and get away with it

Damn.

Fuck.

Rules for Consulting (Or being probed): *Until you get paid...* Show them the problem Or give them the solution. *Never both.* And if you give the solution, give only 1 solution of many problems, or half of the solution to multiple problems. Always give a "reasonably insane" number if they're asking "pick your brain" questions. This is based on the revenue/value of the company. Generally, not more than 10% of the company's total value/revenue. Company-wide, not just the department that's calling you. Eg: "I understand that you're in a tough position and you need to find solutions fast in order to maximize profits. I'm absolutely willing to contribute significantly to Project X, and i'm looking forward to providing significant value for [the company]. For projects like this, my initial consultation is 500,000.00 USD, with half paid up front. At my expertise level, I like to make sure the project isn't too far below my expertise level, or that the compensation makes it worth my opportunity cost. In my exp, projects like this usually take [X time] I'd be thrilled to arrange an ongoing investment of 75k [at some interval] to implement solutions. MOST people calling you can't hang up fast enough. The ones that don't... congrats, you might have a new client. Hope you know your stuff.

Yep. I made it to a third interview with a tech outfit, that ended up being a technical interview where I told them how to fix their stack of Cisco switches. Never heard from them again. Then I found out the city the outfit was located was going to sue the company, he was even scamming the government.

@@randomuserame That’s assuming they only have one person to ask and they’re not just going to move onto the next person.

Lmao so they used you . And you let it happen? Dumbbbb

Used you!! Sorry

Sorry that happened to you Raymond. Hopefully people will see this as a lesson not to offer a company help especially if they haven't hired you yet.

👻

Unlikely. Rich capitalists hold all the power. They'll simply bribe your government officials to require special licenses to operate AI. Business will be able to create ghost job listings because "it's a private business, it can do what it wants." You, on the other hand, will go to jail.

You gave me a good idea

I have mixed feelings about this. One the one hand, they deserve it. On the other hand, it's just some hr employees that will dealing with it. On the other hand, I've talked to way too many department managers that clearly wanted to hire me as they were desperate for some help only to have HR wait around with their thumb up their ass for days and weeks just to eventually turn me down and tell the manager to just continue to deal with the staff shortage.

Ohhh sounds fun. Imagine if everyone participated to force them into good old face to face interviews again.

One rule for thee.

what is rage applying

@@TheOriginalCameron Apparently "rage-applying" is when you're mad at your boss so in the heat of the moment, you go apply for a bunch of other jobs. It sort of expresses the same emotion as quitting, but you don't lose your source of income. It looks to me like it isn't considered a bad thing at all.

@@Tzizenorec it really isn’t a bad idea lol

@@Tzizenorec Dissatisfaction applying is something different, though, right? Applying for another job because you're angry/dissatisfied with your current employment/employer seems perfectly reasonable to me.

That's been my problem. Every entry level job in my field is demanding experience. I understand mid level and senior level positions, but entry level is supposed to be a beginner's job. How are people like us supposed to start out? I'm so close to just making up a fake internship just to get one of these companies to even look my direction.

They probably stole your presentation ideas. Programmers are asked to submit code for job consideration and a lot of "hiring" managers just steal the code to adopt as his own.

I can say the same here in brazil.

Like the above poster said, when they ask you to do a presentation on a solution for a current issue they’re facing, often there’s no job and they’re doing it to get your work for free. Like a consultant, but they have 5 qualified people (‘job applicants’) give them a different perspective for free by dangling a job in front of them.

Just for clarification, the presentations are all around portfolio work. They can steal away since its all stuff i have on my website. Just the fact it wasnt a standard heres my portfolio type presentation. It was more of "show us your portfolio in a ppt format, but also show us your process and how you work through solutuons". I focused heavily on showing the end product but never going to in depth about technique. Otherwise they will just get the benefit of free education and industry techniques. I will say I've seen similar companies that ask for an art test and that is an immediate red flag. It was just an unusual way to present and the weirder thing was that they didnt even have their own laptops or projectors, so i had to being a laptop which is unconventional in every way.

They stole your work. I am so sorry they did this to you. I'm livid for you.

That sounds like Canada in a nutshell it's gotten so bad that we can barely even find africans willing to move here and work our fast food windows anymore

This is exactly why so many job postings have ridiculous and impractical requirements (eg requiring a Ph.D, 15 years experience, knowledge of every software released in the last 10 years, etc for a receptionist position). In order to gain approval to hire workers overseas, companies have to be able to prove they tried to hire someone from the US and that there were no qualified candidates.

Ikr?!

Applied for one of those. I didn’t realize it was a staffing agency. They couldn’t tell me anything.

This !!! I had one bring me in to fill out all paperwork & drug test. then called me back a day later saying they only had a totally different position available 😒

@@jackr2287 I had that happen to me I was rage applying to jobs like 7 years ago. Got a call setup an interview which was over skype. I thought was weird since it was well before web internviews were common. Found out it was staffing for a job in my area but Id work for them. I ended up taking the job because I wanted out of that other job. Ill never work for these types of companies again. 0 room for improvment or payraises but it did open the door to the job I am currently at.

I have staffing firms still putting in my resume from 15 years ago. Oh the fun of having some rando call me up saying "I got your resume from X-fly-by-night-staffing firm and I would like to talk to you about an engineering position in some-fly-over-city-usa" only to have to tell them I am a Sr Director of Engineering at X-very-large-firm-Silicon-Valley

There’s a big production plant here that runs ads non stop everywhere, looking to hire immediately, 20 vacancies, full time year round, top wages blah blah blah, they don’t hire anyone that applies, they slowly go rid of the workers they had and now they got half of Mexico in there, we used to work on their trucks and buses but after that we stopped

@@IDT69 That sounds like Mountaire Farms.

Dafuq is an "immigrant voucher"?

@@helmholtzthemulewatson4763 It's basically when a company signals to the government that they cannot find a worker in the US and so the US issues something akin to a green card so that they can hire someone outside the US

A big company where I live does exactly that. They got busted a decade ago for having a ton of workers with no or fake work green cards and now they have actual banners out in front of their buildings promising starting pay and bennifets. The ads have been up for years. Somehow the work still gets done?

"Now Firing"

Every store is like that. My local Walmart has had Now Hiring signs ever since the start of this pandemic. But EVERY TIME I go there, it’s super busy, lines are 20+ minutes wait, and there’s only 1 cashier working. Self checkout is swamped, and there’s no one manning Customer Service. I’m telling you, they are NOT hiring, instead they take your information and sell it or do wetf they do because corporate greed.

@@StishFicks Did you ask? It's possible they just have really shitty management increasing the turnover.

When my Kmart closed they were hiring for merch movers to put it into trucks

​@Alex or it's both. My partner's work seems to somehow manage high turnover and intentional understaffing. I think the pandemic made a lot of companies realize they can pay 1 person to do the work of 3 for the same wage. Sure Corners are cut and customers are unhappy but they come back anyway, so who cares? Not like OSHA actually enforces the rules anymore anyway 🤷‍♀️

Aside from the digital way what other ways are there? I ask that question genuinely as a young person trying to understand how to get jobs

​@@Mike-sj9si the only way is nepotism. Legit. You don't get a job worth anything by just applying to an opening. You have to know someone. Networking is everything.

How do you get hired? Most places won't touch a resume not submitted online.

@@earthstar7534 You have to know someone. This is the only way to get hired now.

SandFA, hold on, nepotism isn't just hiring people you know. It's hiring friends and family that you know aren't really suited for the job.

I don't even want to know how many hours I wasted doing that crap 😓

how tf do we make money lol

I keep getting mails from people on Indeed and other online job boards saying they saw my resume and think I'm a great fit for their remote purchasing manager position. It feels too good to be true (I also have no experience in purchasing or managing), and ignore them.

@@Musical_Pigeon Good idea to ignore them. They're probably MLM pitches. That's 'remote purchasing manager' sounds exactly like what an MLM would call their downlines to make them think they're not downlines.

​@@Musical_PigeonYeah, that sounds a lot like pyramid schemes. Or, like the other comment said, MLM or multi level marketing as they changed the name to not sound as bad. It's the same thing though.

Nah man. Money can be made. Charge the company more for the length of time up, put a fire on their angus

Data is needed for unemployment rates.

​@@juanguzman8034 Every day people experience the problems first hand. It's the government that started this mess, and they're never going to fix the economy because they're the ones profiting and all they have to say is "ignore the fact that the working class has been stagnating, the country's GDP raised 2% because of the corporate monopoly profits, so clearly everything is great!"

Or have fun with it. A lot of them are easy to spot. I like to send in wild resumes and cover letters in the hope that it might actually make it through the filter software and land on someone's desk. As long as they have a sense of humor I'm sure they'll get an laugh from some of the crap I've written in there.

how would you go about that?

Hello I was homeless once, got out of it without any help. Best financial advice I’ve ever heard: if you can’t buy it twice, you cant afford it! Also the 10% rule, if you have 100$, you really only have $10. These two things helped me out of poverty. Hopefully it helps you as well good luck 🤞

@@NipplesOfDestiny Thank you, that sounds like very sound advice, and I'm glad it was able to get you out of homelessness. I already don't buy anything that's not absolutely necessary (basically good, bills, gas), the problem I seem to have is that there's not really much left over to save up, typically I've got less than $100 in my bank after my bills are paid. Although I'm very grateful that I'm able to take care of those basic needs

Aww I’m sorry hope it gets better

I wish you guys the best. I was laid off when I was almost three months pregnant. It was a rough time. But please allow her to be sad for while. It's not easy for anyone

This happens at a certain retail place in a town near me. My sister worked retail nearby, and she KNEW they weren't really hiring. People would try to work there occasionally, but the place would cruelly rearrange their schedule and give people just under full time hours to stay cheap. Impossible to work for even when they did occasionally hire someone (rare). To have that few hours you need two jobs, but to have two jobs you need stable hours! My mother went into that store and some lady was ranting about how disorganized the store was "we're sorry ma'am, we're really understaffed but we keep putting out applications! :(" "wow, I can't believe it what is WRONG with young people these days that no one is working?"

I waited tables at a tourist spot last summer and we had to write on the chalkboard everyday “Please be patient as we are understaffed.” That wasn’t true-we had a full crew-but it made the customers less pissy about the long waits. It made me feel gross.

Employers sure love to claim "no one wants to work".

John: that lame excuse is so insulting, isn't it? Mike Rowe is even joining the harpies on this. I hope he sees this channel. Great topic.....tell 'em to jam it....

Yeah, we need a paradigm shift. Don't say communism, that's just brutal slaughter and mass poverty. We need to populism and real democracy.

100%

Exactly.

Because we’re done being treated like slaves were people this is not ancient Egypt, where you can treat us like slaves and pay us less than a liveable amount And it’s usually a lot of these people who treat their employees like sleeves are raking in all of the money not even using any of it to keep their sleeves happy like all they need to do is bend it on a $40 pizza party once a year and it will literally prevent a revolution And even then we live in a world where we cannot revolt against our slaveowners because we can leave but we can’t leave. A lot of people are tied down to the jobs that they have one because seniority has made it, so that’s a liveable wage to know where else pays the same And if it does, it’s part time work, and the hours don’t make up enough Like a lot of people are just fed up with work and they don’t wanna work for somebody That isn’t going to respect the time in these major conglomerates do not respect their time did major companies do not respect us as individuals because they don’t even wanna pay us a fucking liveable wage You asked for a cost of living adjustment what is a major company? Do they fire you? For threatening to start a union

Exactly waisting peoples time and playing mind games! Who has time 4 that.

Thank the bill that scummy politicians wrote and passed in 90's thereabouts: Corporations as "Person" or some such crap. Ralph Nader wrote a book on it in '97 ish. Excellent revelations.

And it's just at the tipping point of us having enough of this shit...

Glad to see some of the mainstream adopt a anti-corpo stance lately. I am still a capitalist per se, but that is one of the few lessons I learned from my punk friends back in the 2010s and I don't regret it till this day.

@@gobbo1917 when you say: “I’m a capitalist,” what does that mean? Do you own the means of production? I doubt it. You aren’t actually a capitalist. You simply believe capitalism can be virtuous. So do I. Capitalism doesn’t need to be worshiped. It needs to be saved by being regulated-like it used to be in the USA from the 30s through the 70s.

Lawsuit it would be in 🇺🇸

Im sorry this happened to you. Did you request reimbursement for the 15€ spent on commute?

This should be illegal

I once spent $40 for a round trip Uber downtown for a position in a restaurant I’ve been to and even got a response about the position…it was shuttered and I was talking to a bot and the application never got taken down

I like this idea. Find some hackers to control the corporations' websites too.

ChatGPT is getting scary good these days, maybe all it would take is flooding the fake jobs with artificial resumes.

Are you guys actual children?

​@@knuckles7410 you must be new here. Always has been

@@greglocker2124 I mean wtf :)). I though only old and fed up corporate people like me would hang in here, not 12 years old who never had to go through that shit...

Jobs are like women

Glad to see I’m not the only one ghosted by Starbucks. Had something happen like this to me. So infuriating and disheartening

baby boomers and the like are completely delusional. Rarely listen to anything they say

same bro. same. I was literally getting gaslighted by my parents by saying " EVERYONE IS BACK TO WORK"

@@oddysay "just find recruiters it worked for your dad" "hey its me recruiter i found you a job" "hey it's me totally real job we need ur ssn and bank routing number :)" 😐

@@grain9640 lmfao yup

​@@oddysay "seriously just get a real recruiter" "hey its me recruiter there's no openings right now but I will kindly keep an eye out, okay?" [10 targeted spam calls, emails, and texts a day from that point forward] 🤔

its useful propaganda material to look like the unemployed need kicking for not filling the advertised vacancies where i live. the ghost jobs are compiled, as advertised, for govt data

They'd probably get sued by the big companies that pull this crap, so it'd have to all be anonymous.

I already began writing my list while applying for each job. I write down the name of company, time, date, and type of job. I keep this information in my journal. Once I click on the submit button to submit my application I take a picture on my i-phone and have as a copy for my records. All jobs that I applied to were on Indeed, and some on the company's website. Be careful with the company's website...they end up changing the date of the job posting so that it appears current when, in actuality, they have already listed the same job over 30 days ago. A slick move, but I caught onto it rather quickly.

yep

Yup. Seems promising, great when you find something. Then they ghost you

I've had them get huffy at me for asking $60k for software engineering positions, they're like "based on geography and your lack of experience you can get $40k because you live in a cheaper state and have no experience" I completed a four year degree, in person, at an accredited university 🤔people around here can make about $40k doing unskilled labor and they don't have to be on call weekends for it what the heck?

$60k seems like a very reasonable salary to ask for tech sales.

@@grain9640 let me guess they didnt even let you remote work?

I've been searching for an entry level into web development for the past 3-4 days, only 1 of them had entry level requirements. I am seriously thinking about fabricating 2 years' working experience so I can get a job that I can do right now (after self teaching for 1 year).

​@@grain9640 to be fair they don't teach you jack shit at uni that you'll actually use

Kinda opportunistic.

@Y T Wierd indeed

Lmao, the grind never stops for scammers.

THey were trying to target desperate people

Actually it is. People with money may spend money without thinking about it and just be like well I’ll do my stocks while I wait for a job and they lose hundreds

The job market right now is ASS! Don't listen to those "nobody wants to work" parrots. They don't know what they're talking about. It is ridiculously difficult to get a decent job nowadays

Seriously

I’ve wasted so many years. Trust me. It’s a horrible feeling…

I thought it was just me. I think its the added thought of doing something that literally has no benefit. So yeah.This is like the worst news ever lol.

​@@dadigitechman Not in this market. More of us need them than vice versa

@@dadigitechman so that is your takeaway from what I said? Sad

Facts

Most people are dishonest animals

Renton is a crap area largely.

Perhaps a similar site to "Don't date him girl". Needs to be put up for "don't apply" to.

Probably a bad place to work. I applied to positions that readvertised for the past couple of years and went to the reviews on the company. They had 1-star reviews which explained it.

Holy shit, same! It made me suspicious, but I couldn't put my finger on what exactly was happening. Now I know 😅

Frs. I sometimes call or email the place immediately after applying…and they end up telling me that they ain’t hiring. 😒

Before I had my job of 13 years, I saw this shit all the time, the same job/position would be available for 6 or 12 months plus and never get filled. And we're only talking entry level or low skilled positions, surely it's not that hard to find someone with the qualifications to stack some shelves, fill out some reports and man a register.

@@UltimateGattai it makes me wonder how accurate governments report the growth of the job market. If they count these fake job postings, all those numbers that are presented every month might be less optimistic.

😮😡

I hope you didn't even respond, just closed the call

Bro I would I have sent them my dry cleaning bill😂😂💀

What do we do about last SSN?

I would have told them why are you wasting my time? I could be interviewing somewhere that actually has something open instead of being here. These companies need to be told off they are too used to employees and potential employees kissing their ass.

Work for 1 month free but keep tips? Heck, no. I would report them to the labor board.

We're definitely in a recession heading into a depression.

Yeah, I've seen several engineering jobs 'requiring' a PhD with a listed hourly wage in the $14-18 range. I laughed at the audacity of these listings, but maybe it was actually some poor HR rep trying to make it obvious their company was posting one of these quota ghost jobs and save would-be applicants the hassle.

Its Transitory lol

HR workers are parasites on the productive economy.

​@@fishrechaun6425 They want H1B foreign workers they can exploit.

it is fraud, the law just hasnt caught up yet. and companies are lying to investors saying "look at our growth! we are always hiring!" in reality the lying to investors issue will get handled long before the issue of lying to the unemployed folk

IT IS NOT ILLEGAL TO DO THAT. Only forging documents is.

I got pissed off at having my time wasted and made a fake resume with a bunch of bs. I have 15+ years in React and developed the entire Alexa eco system and am currently the Chief Executive Software Engineer Manager Assistant Associate Intern for Jeff Bezos where I’m so loyal, I refuse my paychecks so Bezos can buy more yachts for his ever growing fleet. Yup, I put that in my fake resume.

@Casper's Studio bruv, its not illegal to lie on your resume. as it is not illegal to look for applicants where nothing is to be applied for

You know what, i'mma start doing that shit.

That place is my basement where I got everything

There are ads like that for the trades. "Apply for truck driving jobs...(in small print)Employee paid training required" or "Plumbers wanted...(in small print)Must pay for internship and training". And yes, they put them in the Jobs Wanted section.

Jews don't believe in hell so.. you are wrong.

I have a primal urge to print out all these job listings, make a collage, and then set it on fire and do a weird dance while screaming ☹

@@YTSparty i hate small print 😂

What work do you do

yep. that’s been my experience too. was better a couple years back

In the uk it’s like that too.

I read a book called what "color is your parachute". It highlights that most jobs are placed by someone the applicant knows. Networking seems to be the viable alternative to these ghost jobs.

And yet so many people believe the "no one wants to work" lie.

It's usually because their State has a law stating a position MUST be applicable to the outside if it's open for x period of time.

Very true I’ve seen this first hand. Even worse is when they do interview external candidates with absolutely no intention to hire, just to check the legal boxes. I’ve seen some candidates drive almost 3 hours to make an interview that was pointless.

@@Goldmageman thats just fucked up

Actually that is a completely different scenario. That's a real job you intend to fill with an already preselected candidate but HR rules makes you interview two to four other people for the role. That being said I have done that and but then gone back and picked up one or two of the rejects because they were actually really good at a later time.

the other part of the game is when you want to downsize by finding a reason to fire somebody you have to open their position and hire a replacement otherwise their unemployment claim is valid. So they open the position for a new candidate to replace you, jumping through all those hoops, and get away without being on the hook for unemployment.

That takes a lot of time, but I guess if it's worth your time then great.

@@ChemistTea It does take time but it is worth it. I got laid off and because I have conversations ongoing nearly all the time I was able to increase my wage by 50%, start the next job in 4 weeks, and use my severance money to buy a new car. If you are prepared for it, getting laid off can be an income surge (although still stressful, things don't always line up).

@@ChemistTea One advantage to this strategy is that you don't get caught out if you need to find a new job. If you poke around you'll see plenty of people on places like reddit saying they just got laid off after several years, they don't have an up to date resume, don't know what works on a resume, and don't know how to do the basics of interviewing. If you're always looking then you'll always have decent interviewing skills and will know what kind of jobs are out there.

@@buxton5165 I definitely agree that it's good to be prepared. I suppose a lot here depends on the job. No worries on my end, and I support other people keeping their resume and skills up to date. It's definitely good to have some level of readiness, even if it's not constantly interviewing. In some careers, interviewing is like having another job lol

@@ChemistTea It doesn't take a lot of time. And you'll get many times over what you put into making sure you have a competitive job. Everyone should be doing this.

Nah, it's always been like that.

@@amaryllisfrost4263 It’s more prevalent since things go virtual.

Don't be antisemitic

Exactly.

RUN. oh gawd RUN.

Did she report them?

What kind of job was that??

Yeah, I'll buy the cards for you. Just give me the money and wait.... And keep waiting... And waiting

Or an MLM. I interviewed for one that was a super shady insurance MLM where everyone in the office was sweating bullets like someone just threatened to cut off their fingers or something. They posted fake jobs, told us we were being interviewed for said fake jobs, then rounded us all up in the conference room to convince us to become door-to-door salesmen and then asked us to take a personality test. It was a cult. smdh

There isn’t any misleading going on. Think about the fact that you file your own taxes yet the IRS already has the complete information to do it themselves. Unemployment offices know very well what is going on. Think about how they may benefit from this knowledge.

Great point!

Sunny that's what your worried about!? Pssshhh

did he also say "we hear you, and we understand your concern"

Always politely decline an exit interview. There’s nothing good in it for you.

It's not that simple. Who's gonna enforce that? How much do taxpayers pay for the enforcers? Are taxpayers ok with this? Etc.

@@destructionman1 We enforce it with the NLRB, which already needs more funding as it is.

​@@destructionman1take all the IRS people looking into your taxes and just use them for this. Done No extra money, and less tax enforcement

What's to stop them from requesting fake quotes?

🤣Contracting sucks, too.

Contracting isn’t much better. I’m pretty sure there are a lot of _”ghost contracts”_ as well. These companies need to be subject to federal forensic audits. If we had a government that actually cared, that is…😕

​@@willia3r They don't have to contract with businesses. They should try for the consumer market. In fact we all should.

Easier said than done. The size, reach, and negotiating power of extremely large businesses and corporations especially...means the ability to quickly and efficiently find the customers faster and in much larger volume...that will easily eclipse the actions of any one individual _'mom and & pop"_ styled operation. Which is why Walmart has been able to put out of business most generic small business shops where-ever they operated. Typically, only other chain stores and perhaps boutique stores selling to a niche customer-base...tends to fare somewhat better in said corporate-dominated environment.

And this is exactly why employees should band together and work slow enough to motivate the employer to hire enough people. This happened at my last job, the employer lost 2 people but the team worked about as hard as possible but the team was left to suffered and hours were maintained. No one did unpaid ot and eventually the bosses introduced 2 more people to the team.

I once had a manager (two levels above my position) who told me off for working too much overtime. Said he can't really watch all the team all day long. All he gets is indirect feedback, and as longs as that feedback is "the work gets done" he has a hard time arguing for more positions with HIS boss. He pretty openly asked me to stick to my eight hours and make sure that my minions do the same thing, plus keeping it very honest with my direct managers so he would get the kind of realistic feedback he needed to make sensible staffing plans. It goes both ways.

Companies that are that badly managed need to go bankrupt so that their staff can be freed up for more productive work elsewhere. Unfortunately so many politicians like to "support small business" with massive subsidies that keep them from dying.

@@Hastur876 those subsidies are usually given to terribly run large companies.

Well its in case they need to fire the person they can do so with greater confidence when knowing someone applied recently.

This isn't accurate. It's a relatively new phenomenon that arose in the dotcom boom and got worse as spam became an arms race. 30 years ago, it wasn't even worth the bandwidth or phone lines to post fake want ads. Now machines and dumb statisticians can make use of infinitely many fake ads and applicants.

@@RPcropland sounds like insider trading. Maliciously Manipulating the market of something that you supply

Yeah, that's another one - they post a job, identify 1000 candidates that they call "unsuitable", and then use that to go to the government to apply for a dozen visas so they can bring over Indians to work as programmers for minimum wage 80 hours a week.

It's called Fraud, because they're scamming the investors making it look like the company is growing and hiring.

Good

This recently happened to my husband. 6’4 Marine with a lot of experience and qualifications for security work. Sent in an application and resume to a place and they called him back for a housekeeping position that paid a lot less.

LOL. I can’t imagine that went over even remotely well. Hope he’s doing well.

Why? You don't know if those independent contractors are incorporated. If one is incorporated, there is no need to receive a 1099 MISC, etc. Do you issue a 1099 MISC when you make a purchase at Walmart? Also, WTF do you want to empower the Infernal Revenue Agency more than it already is? This is the same rationale that the 4/20 crowd likes to use when they promote decriminalization, "See, if you decriminalize it and tax it it works out for everyone involved."

@@TDDMS An individual can separately receive a 1099 for work performed for another entity. What you're refering to matters if the employer hired the services of a business such as an S corp. We're not talking about paying the corp but the individual seperately. And if they're not issuing the 1099, then they should receive the same penalties as usual. Also we're talking about nonemployee comp.

@@TDDMS the IRS already has the power to enforce proof of income. We're not adding any power to IRS, we would only be protecting employees or potential employees from loophole wage theft practices.

@@voidless1 Independent contractors aren't employees. Employees are w2's. I've been an IC for half my career. If the work is less than 600 they often don't report it. However, if it's over that you can get your 1099 online or from a library and fill it out. I looked up my employers tax ID online once and asked them for it point blank otherwise. If you turn in your 1099 and they don't report it than they CAN get in trouble.

@@xejelah The purpose of a 1099-MISC or NEC is to pay nonemployees. Often the work performed by candidates has equivalent reasonable salary or hourly compensation attached. The employer should still pay them especially if the amount of work is valued at over $600.

Yep I've seen alot of that.

I was wondering about that

Yes so true. Im a construction estimator. And my current employer asked for a full estimate which usually takes weeks. My recruiter knocked sense into the client and they finally reduced to me simply explaining the process which took like 30min to review and 15min to present.

It’s pathetic because 9/10 they’re not reaching out to your references

@@se2664 Oh they do though, they put them into their system as potential leads and then your manager starts getting phone calls, usually using your name to get past their defences, or by saying "we've heard there may be an opening for YYZ position", and if you're the only person doing that job then they'll know it's you that's thinking of leaving, and i've seen plenty of people get sacked for many different made up reasons whilst they were looking for other jobs.

@@Strider9655 That's why you never list anyone in your current company as a reference when looking for a job. But I think what you're saying is that the recruiter is circumventing that, and contacting your current employer anyway to try to fill an "opening" that they know will be coming, without helping you on your job search. Pretty sleazy, but not surprising for recruiters.

@@Seattle-2017 in that case what they do is contact you with a great but fake job opening and say that the fictional employer needs references up front, then you basically never hear from them again

@@Strider9655 I don't deal with recruiters anymore, for this and countless other reasons.

It's funny how we have to put in 2 weeks notice but they can fire us on the spot for no reason at all without warning.

@@willowbrooks right? What kind of corporate hypnotism have they engaged in to where I should be looking out for the interests of a potentially multi-million dollar company before the interests of myself? Doesn’t make a lick of sense yet the boomers were brainwashed successfully and now they hate how we work today. Don’t put up with their bs

jealous animal

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Same. Every time I see a job application asking for my home address I immediately back out. Even just by giving out my phone number I've been getting so many spam calls and texts. I don't want any of it sent to my house.

Never put in your social security or any other sensitive information when first putting in an application. Even if it asks for it. I always put *will provide when necessary*. Same at medical offices. We give that information out too freely to people that don't care about our financial safety at the best of times.

I'm looking into starting my own business if you don't mind what sector do you work in that allows you to do it solo?

I did the same thing. Never thought I would go into business for myself but I got so sick of the job market, that I did it. Good for us. Hope more people try it out.

What field/industry

Fake thread

Me too. I choose being an employer over an employee every time