What did Ray resent Egon?

@@Michaelkayslay In this scene Ray said "Egon Spangler and rot in Hell" and then told the story of how he fell out with the others. What I liked about it was how Ray, in spite of his anger of Egon, was very saddened by his passing

@@Michaelkayslay Sorry, should've stamped - Ray says it at 1:15, the story following

I came here to say something very similar. Ray held such resentment, as we all can. But at the end of the day we will always care. Hearing that Egon died, Rays voice changed between those two lines in such a significant way.

@@Ben-pd2bx he resented Egon because he killed Ghostbusters, he stole the vital equipment meaning they couldn’t operate anymore

& then the realization that Egon is dead. A mixed bag of emotions comes into play. STONE COLD.

Did Reitman finish directing Afterlife before he died?

@@christianloubardias6375 Yes he did.

@@jackspry9736 Ivan now in heaven with Harold driving the Ecto 1 let's not forget the two legends that created Ghostbusters

⁠​⁠@@christianloubardias6375 His son directed this one, actually. Jason Reitman.

​@@brianrose8772Jason also appeared in the second movie. He was the kid who said to Ray that his father said they were full of crap. Ironically enough, that kid in that scene was also named Jason.

She really delivered that whole scene beautifully and reached out to someone that her Grandfather was once friends with and a close colleague still mind blowing that we all grew up with them and 30 plus years later we get to see them again

Pull yourself together miss Lucas.

Probably just thought about her own grandfather and used her natural reaction to having someone say they hope he rots in hell.

​@@adamb89Straight from Stachinsky's book. McKenna really did her homework.

❤

@@Ben-pd2bx Whatever makes your boat float.

@@Ben-pd2bx You didn't like it, ok. It's not a perfect movie? Yes, We get it. Try Frozen 2, Jurassic World and the third Star Wars trilology. If those ain't a mess, then Hell is all ice. And don't even start with Matrix 4

@@Ben-pd2bx I got question. Were you actually paying attention or just looking for gaps? Cuz the movie DOES give u hints. But again, you didn't like it. Fine. DONT watch the clips. Some of us did and could use some conversation instead for this argument . Thank you

@@Ben-pd2bx Aye.

@@Ben-pd2bx Egon didn't went crazy. He kept on researching and found out that Gozer could return, so he decided to take action. Problem was the others were already having their own lives outside the GB business, that has broke, by the way. Hence, they didn't believe him. And when Egon saw how dangerous it was, decided to not involve anybody else. Hence, no photo. Ray thought Egon was just not willing to let go. And as for the trap, it was his way of saying "This is important". Todo bad he couldn't talk. There u go. All of them in one go. Paying attention and hearing Akroyd's insight really pays off. Good afternoon

That's a girl? Sheesh, I thought it was a boy!

I couldn't agree more she really filled the shoes of a Spengler and managed to reach out to Ray

I think @JeremyJahns said something along the lines of "hope her back is ok after carrying this film"

@@BrowncoatInABoxShe absolutely carried this film and thats not a disrespect to everyone else - they were great too she was just THAT good.

She's the one who act as Paige in Young Sheldon

I was thinking the same thing.

If I’m not mistaken isn’t there a deleted scene between Winston and Janine? I wonder if it was decided to make the focus of the Movie about Spengler’s daughter and grandchildren? If you start throwing in too many scenes with the OG not only do you shift that focus away from the New Generation but you ruin the big surprise at the end

@@MrSheckstr That was the post-credit scene. -Fennett

@@MrSheckstr its on youtube that scene just watched it.

It feels like some one forced them to focus on the kids to much. Hollywood in their standard idiotic approach thinks that you should focus on the popular actor they hired (stranger things is brain dead and overrated) instead of the story. Also Hollywood just because your making a movie for kids dose not mean you have to cast kids in it. Kids want to be adults and adults don't want to watch kids doing a bunch of unrealistic crap for 90 minutes.

The acting in the originals wasn't this sentimental.

@MoonwalkerWorshiper actually it was just as strong. It's just that younger men have different emotions. As they aged they changed became more nostalgic

Ray: crap… I gotta make some calls. Peter: I feel a disturbance. And for once, I wanna embrace it. Winston: there’s a chill in the air, we’re back baby! Egon: good to see the old team back together one last time.

​@@MoonwalkerWorshiperactually they were in the second film. Egon and Peters resentment was showing in the bookstore scene. It was their mindset and outlook and the way they treated each other in the second one when they fell in the slime .I think was letting us know how they really felt about beach other. So the split was bound to happen. Plus Ray beliefs changed over the years. Which I think drove to his Disagreements with Egon's. Ray kept switching up in the second film..he really was deep into Occult Vs Scientific theories so kinda an open book. Egon was straight forward ends justifies the means kind a guy but very much hard knowledge into world history. In turn this movie shows it. He was practically Nostradamus in the Millennium . Peter the Psychic but probably had self doubts and probably got sued by his tv show and just went through life. Winston wasn't like the rest but sadly carried the weight of the world on his shoulders. Ironically Egon's work unravels into Chaos in this one.

@@timafiggy Egon was becoming unhinged, which was both alienating & sad. He gets passionate but said emotions lead to a catastrophe.

Just in case you didn't know about it, there is a Ghostbusters video game which is an unofficial Ghostbusters 3, it had everyone in int except Sigourney Weaver. The cutscenes are on youtube if you're interested.

You're right about Dan Aykroyd being a good actor but wrong about it being the heart of Ghostbusters. Firehouse being it's old self or Starbucks, logic doesn't matter in crap movies. Everything is contradictory, upsidedown, inverted, wrong. The firehouse could've been a Ghostbuster museum with proton packs and Ecto 1 at display.

that's Ray not with E silly 🤣🤣🤣🤣😁

Rey is in this movie?! I thought it was just Ray. Never expected a star wars crossover.

@Jay M It's obviously what we deserved because it has sold at least 100 fold more copies than the 2016 flop that was so bad they couldn't even give it away for free

I love GB1 & 2 so was really hyped for this movie but... i don't know, it just couldn't really get into in it. Just thought it was flat, not much really to it. One of those movies where if you watched the trailer you have pretty much watched 80% of what happens. I don't know.

I liked this movie. At least with this one, I didn't cringe as hard as I did when I watched that stupid 2016 movie. I feel this one was an apology for the mistake we got 6 years ago.

@@Josh_D78 It was also so bad, the planned sequel was immediately cancelled. I would have hated to see what that would have been like. Wait, I think I know. More fart (or queef) jokes. Melissa McCarthy trying to have all the screen time. Plus whatever other garbage was in that movie that, thankfully, I cannot remember, but would have been more of in the cancelled sequel.

@Jay M Yea, it sucked so bad it was significantly better than the 2016 movie. The one where the director cried to Sony to include his film in the Ghostbuster legacy pack they were releasing before the THIRD real movie was set to release.

Oh yeah finding out that the Ghostbusters broke up because they're a bunch of morons that abandoned their friend and left him to die because he didn't show them any of the proof of things he found (like the temple). This movie is not for the fans this is a member berries shit fest

Don't listen to the haters. Afterlife is a worthy sequel.

@@grkpektis I didn't like what they did with the original cast, just didn't buy into it. You can see they're very close friends that work very well together in GB1 & 2, they way they were portrait in AL just seemed wrong and didn't seem to fit the respected relationship between them all. I don't know... i know time has passed since GB2 but it just seemed off.

@@leecroft7311 look at so many of the great bands that break up.

@@leecroft7311 Life happened. I had great friends in my early years that I no longer see after we just drifted apart. Priorities change, etc. It;s no malicious it just the way it is.

I thought that line was cringeworthy

I smiled when he said it. I think I said "Ghostbuster". Ackroyd had a cameo in "Casper the friendly ghost" he used that now famous line. He also answered his own question. He said some thing like "Someone else!"

@@MartyMcFly88 I rolled my eyes slightly, but the more I thought about it, it feels like they worked it in well. There was going to be at least one point where they used it anyway, so I'm glad they at least put in the effort to make it clever.

Then likely calling Winston and Janine shortly after that.

@@calhoun24 my idea is the near the end of the credits bit where they are talking in Winston's office is when Ray and Petter barge in in full gear yelling loudly Ray manically flipping through tobins spirit guide

I feel like the sequence of events that led to the Original GBs coming to help in the end played out something like this... -Egon told Janine of his plan to trap Gozer before the start of Afterlife, and asks her to do 3 things and to Check on him/visit regularly. And if he should no longer be of this world on one of her check-ins, for her to..... 1. Make sure his last will and testament was enforced, giving Callie the house. 2. Tell Callie (hense the phone call) 3. Tell Peter, Winston, and Ray, With Ray being the last, because Egon knew that his word, whether direct or indirect through Janine wouldn't be enough to convince him after the nature of their parting of ways. It would likely take the convincing of the others to finally get Ray back aboard this train... -After meeting with Callie, Trevor and Phoebe, while the events of the next couple days plays out in Summerville, Janine flies back to New York, and meets with Dana and Peter AFTER the post-credits scene cuts off (where Dana was using the cards and shocking Peter.). Janine explains that something is going on in Summerville, and eventhough Peter is VERY reluctant at first (still feeling hurt by Egon's departure with their equipment, minus Peter, Ray, and Winston's proton Packs and Uniforms.), but after Janine explains that Egon had passed, Peter with his heart of gold feels like he needs to go, not just to help the Spengler family, but for a sense of closure. Peter's heart of gold would shine through here. Then We see Janine paying Winston a visit in his office (2nd post-credits scene). Winston isn't as hard to convince as Peter and Ray would be. Then we see Ray in his Occult Book Store. Ray and Phoebe had just spoken on the phone. Ray was about to inquire for more information, as well as mourn the loss of his old friend, lamenting the time that was spent hating him. Ray wished that there was something he could do to help the Spengler's, and make it up to Egon, because he felt he owed his old friend that much, and get closure as well. Then suddenly, a familiar face reappears. One that Ray likely hasn't seen or heard from for some time, probably because of how close she was to Egon. However, after the conversation he just had with Phoebe, Ray would be more likely to hear Janine out, half guessing what this contact/visit was about before she even spoke a word. Winston would then front the travel expenses for himself, Ray and Peter, and then after days flight, likely on a private plane/jet, makes it out to Summerville. And if Janine hadn't informed them of where Egon's farmhouse was, I'm sure the swirling vortex of clouds with glowing lights coming out of it would've been a major clue.

@@youkai3785 & have them pull up in a limo the moment after Callie possessed by Zuul busts through the window & the kids run out behind her. Louis Tully is the limo driver & he opens the door with the music from GB2 when they go into the museum to investigate the Vigo painting. & Winston sends Louis to a hotel in Tulsa to wait for him to call Louis. Louis then says to the kids "Don't worry about anything. Even that weird woman that just burst through the window. Even if any of you turn into a dog dont worry. I turned into a dog once & these guys saved me! So they're ok! I gotta go to the hotel now. Gotta have a shower!" Then he cant open the limo door for a few seconds while everybody else looks on in amusement. I think we just needed a little more of the original Ghostbusters & wish Rick Moranis would have done something in this movie. Afterlife would have been perfect if we could have gotten just a little bit more with the ogs

@@Ben-pd2bx the ONLY garbage in this thread is your mind, if you had EVER watched ANY of the first 2 GB's (Not the 2016 SHITSHOW) you would understand EVERY thing in this scene

What happened?

Sounds like somebody did somebody very very dirty

What basically happened; Harold directed Groundhog Day whilst Bill obviously starred in it; they had very different ideas on how to go about the film. Bill wanted to focus on the philosophical elements, whilst Harold wanted to direct it as a comedy first snd foremost. Bill’s known for being a bit temperamental to work with sometimes and he very much was there; the two fell out severely and didn’t speak for over twenty years, barring some brief exchanges at events. Harold was apparently keen to make up, but Bill less so; he barely spoke of Harold in interviews and wouldn’t accept any role Harold offered him. Harold and Bill are both heard in Ghostbusters The Video Game (2009), but recorded their dialogue separately. Come 2014, Harold’s on his deathbed and Bill’s brother Brian-Doyle urges him to reconcile with Harold, so they do. Bill and Brian now speak fondly of Harold. The real-life estrangement is sort-of mirrored in Afterlife, but to a much lower extent than what happened after Groundhog Day. Nobody really did anyone “dirty”, but the disagreement must have really rankled for two close collaborators to not speak for over two decades.

Dan Aykroyd received an Academy Award Nomination for Supporting Actor for his role of Boolie Werthan in DRIVING MISS DAISY. Denzel Washington won that year for GLORY. Thanks for honoring Harold's artistry and humanity.

But see that's the thing, I think that's exactly where Ray's mind was going, until Phoebe said _"Egon Spengler was my grandfather. "_ and the tone shifted. Because now Ray is realizing, Egon went off and had a family, and this wasn't some crank calling Ray, it was family calling Ray and asking for his help.

Yeah I can understand Ray’s anger and reaction honestly, heck his “Egon Spengler can rot in hell” line feels less like anger and more like disappointment. Honestly the fact that Ray says he wanted to believe Egon speaks volumes to his character that he wanted so badly to believe that there was another shot at The Ghostbusters saving the world but the evidence just wasn’t there and Egon’s attitude made it even harder to believe

Saying Egon can rot in Hell was harsh, but that's what it was meant to be. Ray felt betrayed by a friend so there would be some resentment. I agree with everything else you said.

People were saying the same about Luke Skywalker. Something tells me people have no concept of character development based on that statement alone

It was quite harsh for him to say that to a little kid, you'll see how much he regrets it finding out she's related. When theirs falling out among friends people change, resentments hang on. He did the mature thing and wised up.

Ok, I feel I missed something there. Which actor is he refering to?

@@quatarsr6217 I _assume_ it's DeNiro, since he owns a bunch of businesses in Tribeca.

@@roystonlodge Ah thank you

There's a mistake. He said that the firehouse was a starbucks then at the end, the firehouse is abandoned when winston bought it.

@@tonytenace6451 Maybe it's a flashback and Winston was the one to turn it into a Starbucks. ;-)

But the INSTA Regret he felt when Phebs tells him he died was even more gut wrenching cus you SEE despite what egon did Ray still held Egon as a true friend.

It's very bittersweet. One last movie with all four of then would have been epic.

As if he thought she hung up intentionally

When he said that Egon can rot in hell, I felt the clouds in the sky opened up and God shot a lightning bolt into my soul. I understood Ray's pain about feeling let down by a friend because I've been down that road myself.

You mean Ray looked like he regretted saying that. Im sure Dan regretted participating in this movie entirely.

@@leesweets4110 Dan was the executive producer, sir. Get a clue...🙄

@@peterm.torres5273 As if he thought she was in trouble.

grand father not uncle

@@TimeMasterOG oops. Thank you

I think it was kind of dumb for Ray to say that, especially since he said he wanted to believe Egon. I mean, Egon is the reason why the Ghostbusters even exist and also correctly predicted the end of the world in the first movie, where it almost did happen, so it makes no sense for Ray to doubt Egon.

I'm glad I wasn't the only one who gasped. All I thought was "What happened?" because I get where friendships can fall apart, even ones that seemed destined to last. But yeah, the explanation was understandable. Such a good scene.

It's still a testament to Dan Aykroyd's acting as evident by Ray's facial expressions and guilt the moment he realized he told a child that her now dead grandfather can rot in Hell.

Yep we should’ve believed him and went with him

You got that right!

Call the guys and save the day.

@@joetophat2121 And Janine. If anyone had inside information on what the situation and eventual plan was, it would have been Janine. And I’m willing to bet dollars to Twinkies that Egon left behind some folder that had all the necessary information in the event of his passing, entrusted to Janine when the time came.

@@calhoun24 Never thought about that, but you're right. Janine would've been entrusted by Egon with the important information.

As much as I loved Afterlife, we really could have used a few extra scenes with the OG cast. I would love to see Ray trying to convince Peter to get out to Oklahoma.

@@rickyhyppa7960 That would've been cool, but I doubt Bill Murray would have agreed to that.

actually i think i saw somewhere an interview where he was asked about the house and he said they lost the house after the first Gozer encounter because they were sued so much.

Don't you know? Even today people are still paying three mortgages on their houses. 😂

Is Ray, Venkman and Zeddmore.

@@baotrannguyenngoc9964 get the band back together

I'm a big fan of the Ghostbusters the fan club I wish the Ghostbusters become if in person and I wish the Ghostbusters become a big fan club to get a new car for to get a house for rent in person I wish I wish I have a ride car I wish I had a car on don't make a noise 😊 I wish to be

I'm a big fan of the Ghostbusters the fan club I wish the Ghostbusters become if in person and I wish the Ghostbusters become a big fan club to get a new car for to get a house for rent in person I wish I wish I have a ride car I wish I had a car on don't make a noise 😊 I wish to be

Well we dont care how she dresses ^^, in the movie she is on the spectrum. She is a nerdy teenager that is willing to save the world. She is a true tomboy thats into science. I really really like her character bc she 100% fits the role of girly tomboy nerd. And she was well written, plus she had her brother and other nerd friend. I loved this movie cant wait for the next one, and yes ive seen the trailer already!

@@maxnum1sgameclub263 " Podcast " sort of resembles Aykroyd. I think that this may have been ON PURPOSE ( ? ).

Or be as emotive. When Venkman saw his friend, I think just seeing him was his way of saying, “I’m sorry, buddy.”

@@calhoun24 I disagree. I think it was more he refused to make amends with him.

Peter and Egon always have that kind of relationship where they clash, but highly respect each other. Peter was always teasing him.

"I thought you'd show up" is perfectly in line with what Venkman would say to Egon's ghost. Bill Murray doing this film means he already made amends.

Bill made his peace with Harold before he died, went to visit him a few weeks/days before he passed. Just a good reminder to always try to make things right with the people you hold close. Lord knows I've lost my share even after trying to make it right.

Then what are you doing here? Stop what you are doing and go watch this movie NOW. Virtually every fan of the original Ghostbusters Movie seems to just love this one. Myself included. I have watched it five times already and still wonder how it turned out so great. A bit different in style than the original ones. Not only a great action comedy movie but with a lot of heart on top. Now go! GOOO!!! ;)

@@caliginousstarfire This is why the female Ghostbusters film has been wiped form history and this is the third film.

This movie is a def love letter. I loved it

Spangler.

Spengler

I guess the rot in hell is definitely official

@@cjg3496 he didn’t mean to say that now his friend died 😞

I think it's not scripted since Harold 'Egon' are passed

When Egon showed up near the end, I tossed away the pieces of my man - card & cried like a kid who lost their favorite toy.

Oversight I am sure.

I'm guessing he bought it out.

Even Starbucks can fail with NYC commercial rents.

any number of reasons why Ray may have been mistaken, it could have been and it went under, they moved sites because of lower profits from the surrounding neighborhood, or the deal fell through due to possible complications at the location, like the rent or costly renovations. I doubt Ray really kept an eagle eye on its current state since he has clearly distanced himself from it, so as far as he knows theres a Starbucks there, and not an abandoned firehouse.

While that is certainly what *did* happen, we won't see it because it spoils them showing up.

@@es330td True

@@es330td Really wish we could have had that scene shot though. It could even end ambiguously, with a seed of doubt that Venkman would want to be anywhere near this situation. This would preserve the surprise appearance at the end, although when I saw this in the theater I pretty much expected that being that they said they were in the movie and really didnt see them 75% of the movie.

@@rickyhyppa7960 They could have ended this scene with Ray opening a pocket notebook and leafing through to one with U-V-W on the tab, cutting away to one hand picking up a phone, the other dialing and us hearing the phone ring.

Elephant?

@@doomsday2703 the Elephant is a character you work for in the game Payday 2

@@doomsday2703 He’s a senator in Payday 2 that hires the gang for several heists like rigging elections, exposing a corrupt democrat and more. At the end of the game it’s also revealed that he, Vlad Kozak, and the dentist are kings that have lived for thousands off years.

Believe this was an Easter egg referring to the irl location of the firehouse which did become a Starbucks.

@@Linmyra Unless Hook and Ladder No. 8 became a Star Bucks in 2020-Now, it was and always has been a functioning firehouse. It was renovated in 2018 and, as far as I can tell, it is still a firehouse.

Yep and the containment unit looks like it’s about to go red…

Realized that and went "huh?" ... script didn't match film.

There are several firehouse's in New York city. The ghostbusters lost their own firehouse but then they found another firehouse at the end of the movie. But granted their own firehouse was torn down for a Starbucks.

So true

We don't talk about that in this part of the jungle. It angers the village.

yes

They got arrested in GB2 for destroying the power grid when they went underground and found the slime river

@@xTheGregx And violating the judicial restraining order they got after first stopping Gozer.

It’s also possible he did some time in between movies or a couple drunk and disorderly’s

I’d say so.

I'm surprised he took over the Ghostbusters' number.

Not according to California penal code, which while not applicable in the state this is presumed filmed in at least implies it can apply there without violating federal law. Since it is not a LOCAL call and is being billed to the law enforcement institution, versus calling collect or using a calling card, he was entitled to cancel the call the moment he realized the kid was calling a New York City area code

I’d love to have 10 minutes alone with that sheriff. That gun and badge doesn’t make him untouchable.

At least he looked remorseful after finding out Egon died.

When he said it, I knew there was a story behind it. And when Phoebe stated that he passed, that was the springboard to tell it.

Winston probably bought it back. He could probably afford to do so after all.

Why do you think Starbucks coffees are so expensive? Lot of power being used. You'd think they notice their abnormally high utility bill and ask some questions.

@@optimumultimaomega I think Ray lied there they don't need any one poking around especially a star bucks employee

@@leesweets4110 Winston actually owning the Starbucks isn’t out of the question.

Actually i thought the same thing, maybe this is why the post credit scene is a post credit scene! i don't know!

B. Cena *IKR.* I remember the actor *Bokeem Woodbine,* who played *Herman Schultz/Shocker #2* in *SPIDER-MAN: HOMECOMING (2017).*

@@JakeLlavore When I watched this movie for the first time, it shocked me when Mckenna Grace threatened Woodbine with Egon's proton blaster. Jason Reitman did a fantastic job making Grace look like Egon's granddaughter.

@@JakeLlavore Also I realized that Spider-Man: Homecoming came out five years ago. Feels like yesterday.