What's Behind the Unrest in New Caledonia?

What's Behind the Unrest in New Caledonia? | GC News

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New Caledonia or Kanaky is a French overseas territory with (a special status) located in southwest Pacific. France took formal possession of the archipelago back in 1853 and, shortly thereafter, New Caledonia became a penal colony. Following WWII, New Caledonia became an overseas territory and, in 1953, French citizenship was granted to all New Caledonians, regardless of ethnicity.
Many, including the indigenous Kanak people, nevertheless, do not favor remaining a part of France. And so, following a period of unrest, known as The Events (or "Les Événements" in French), the Nouméa Accord was signed. This guaranteed New Caledonia a series of referendum on whether to remain a special collectivity of France or become an independent state. And that was that; until 2024 when, following three referendums, in which the majority chose to remain a part of France, Paris decided to implement voting reforms. As per the Nouméa Accord, voting in local elections was limited to Kanak, those living in New Caledonia before 1998, and their descendants who maintained 10 years of continuous residency. Known as "frozen electorate," many considered this rule unnecessary in light of the referendums. However, the proposed voting reform saw riots break out across New Caledonia.
A 12-day state of emergency was declared, while French troops were deployed to secure Nouméa's international airport. The unrest, nonetheless, continued, eventually prompting French President Emmanuel Macron to delay the voting reform. However, the situation remains tense and France has accused other countries, like Azerbaijan, of "foreign interference."
In this episode of a new miniseries on the channel we're calling GC News, we'll be looking into what happened in New Caledonia. Going forward, we also plan to cover other geopolitical news in shorter, newsflash-type episodes too.
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00:00 Intro + 2024 New Caledonia Unrest
01:28 History of New Caledonia
02:38 Frozen Electorate + Independence Referendums
05:37 Voting Reform
09:14 The Azerbaijan Factor
11:18 Ghost Countries Index
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@GhostCountries 20 күн бұрын

Kind of curious here, but what do you think: was the 2021 New Caledonian 🇫🇷 🇳🇨 independence referendum valid?

@kirbyward2001 20 күн бұрын

I do not believe it was valid due to turnout I believe they would have lost anyway in a legitimate referendum But honoring their customs about death and emphasizing a better turnout would have solidified the legitimacy of the vote Hopefully, the people would accept that

@xhaozhao 20 күн бұрын

The boycott was deliberate to expire the timeframe of the referendum that would make the terms and conditions of Noumea Accords invalid and hence, reinstating the talks of independence again. France ignored their pathetic tactics and went ahead with the democratic process. End of.

@LuisAldamiz 20 күн бұрын

Nope. And in any case France has no business there almost at their antipodes. France is not anymore a great power and can't expect to hold to its residual colonial empire in general, not even in Corsica, which is in Europe. It's just a matter of time: Kanaky will be free and so will be Guadaloupe, Reunion, Martinique (the motherland of Fannon), Guyenne, Reunion, Mayotte and "French" Polynesia.

@BlueBuckJS 20 күн бұрын

I think the voting process was valid - in that France, didn't stuff the ballot or anything like that - but Paris easily could've delayed the referendum to allow the pro-independence parties to participate. Even if they had lost again, which I think was more than likely, it would've been a more definitive and fair end to the process started with the Noumea Accord. So, in that sense, I don't think how the 2021 referendum was conducted is valid.

@xhaozhao 20 күн бұрын

@@LuisAldamizSo you’re saying the referendums don’t matter now, the French have to leave regardless. Then whats the point of the referendums. The majority of NC have the voted to stay with France and only a minority wants independence.

@kirbyward2001 20 күн бұрын

The Azerbaijan connection is interesting Many unexpected liaisons in world economics

@bugrasevinc9696 20 күн бұрын

It is, but New Caledonia being under French rule is interesting too. We're just used to western powers meddling with countries in the other side of the world

@GhostCountries 20 күн бұрын

Yeah, I honestly didn’t expect that episode we did on Nagorno-Karabakh and New Caledonia to come full circle.

@bneymanov 20 күн бұрын

@@GhostCountriesWhat is this, a crossover episode?

@GhostCountries 20 күн бұрын

Kind of unexpectedly…yes. 😅

@valac7820 18 күн бұрын

It's because france is supporting Armenia against the invasion of Azerbaijan.

@herbetlira4521 20 күн бұрын

9:31 Azerbaijan... serious?

@kirbyward2001 20 күн бұрын

Mercenaries??

@firecreeper2249 20 күн бұрын

azerbaijan thinks of itself as invincible thanks to their successful military campaign, the temporary leverage they have over the eu and the support that turkey gives them, now they're trying to use their perceived power to fight against the countries that have wronged them in the past(armenia, france, USA, russia, iran), they know that donig anything against the USA is suicide and they're too scared of starting a conflict against neighboring russia and iran so currently all they're doing is trying to bully france and armenia

@bneymanov 20 күн бұрын

@@firecreeper2249 Does 10 million Azerbaijan bullying 70 million France sound believable to you? Have you read the egregious statements Macron or the French senate had made about Azerbaijan? The real bullying is France not doing anything as the head of the Minsk Group, and now fueling Armenian revanchism with military aid while trying to prevent the peace treaty between Azerbaijan and Armenia from being signed. With France undermining the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan for the last 30 years, there's little recourse left, other than to retaliate in the same vein. If you don't retaliate, the bullying only gets worse.

@bnbcraft6666 19 күн бұрын

Well their country is run by a nazi dictator so it's not surprising he's acting like Ghadafi

@emersonbouillon 19 күн бұрын

That probably one of the most hypocritical things done in the 21st century

@alexpotts6520 19 күн бұрын

The irony is that this act of violent rebellion against the authorities is the Frenchest behaviour possible.

@xhaozhao 18 күн бұрын

Because the Kanak people ARE French. Simple as.

@nele1339 18 күн бұрын

@@xhaozhao Kanak people are NOT FRENCH🙄

@xhaozhao 18 күн бұрын

@@nele1339 French of Kanak descent

@Mathis100-qw7wi 17 күн бұрын

@@xhaozhaothey are for independence

@xhaozhao 16 күн бұрын

@@Mathis100-qw7wi Not all. Don’t be ignorant.

@aabbccdd4710 20 күн бұрын

Seeing so many Azeri accounts online voicing their support for the cause of the Kanak people was surreal. It's like a joke I'm not in on.

@aabbccdd4710 20 күн бұрын

The irony that the patriots of a country that just expelled the entire native population of a region that is dejure under their control now act appaled about voting reforms in french territory is not lost on me.

@bneymanov 20 күн бұрын

@@aabbccdd4710 Lol if France undermines the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan, why are you so shocked when Azerbaijan retaliates in the same vein?

@Argacyan 20 күн бұрын

It sounds surreal until you see it happening everywhere. One thing making so many people hesitant about the west's support for Ukraine getting invaded by Russia, is that western countries invade other countries all of the time - there's a thing swaying those who support some independences & not others.

@mimisor66 20 күн бұрын

@@bneymanovhow come the Azeris did not apply the same tactic to Russia when it supported Armenia?

@astillia6073 19 күн бұрын

@@bneymanov territorial integrity of Azeribaijan? I think the fact they pogromed armenians out of their territory then declared intent to pressure for even more border changes along ethnic grounds, EXACTLY WHAT ARMENIA DID, makes this excuse laughable. the fucking legislature of Nagorno-Karabakh voted to join Armenia, so if the baku regime wants to play ethnic determinism after obliterating their minorites they should be ignored.

@thastayapongsak4422 15 күн бұрын

It's a colony and it deserves independence.

@adrianmcconnell5984 12 сағат бұрын

but the people voted against independence in several referenda

@awakening8887 19 күн бұрын

Excellent video! Keep making these!

@yao4964 20 күн бұрын

Very informative!

@HotFish 11 күн бұрын

This is great stuff man, awesome video!

@avus-kw2f213 20 күн бұрын

9:13 finally I’ve been waiting for the eternal Azerbaijanian to show up (they replaced the eternal Anglo)

@gb4206 18 күн бұрын

France has been undermining azerbaijan's territorial integrity by supporting the karabakh terrorists for ages. Are you really surprised when Azer does the same back to France?

@nomad9135 18 күн бұрын

Great video man - a few other comments have mentioned it, but I personally think doing a country profile on Nauru would be pretty interesting too!

@GhostCountries 18 күн бұрын

Definitely; I’ve got a growing list of country profiles (kind of like The Gambia 🇬🇲) that we plan to cover!

@flappley 20 күн бұрын

Honestly one of the most wild geopolitical things right now.. I mean Azerbaijan, a caucasus nation, supporting a Pacific Island territory of France with a similar flag tricolor???

@theblueskyisstolensunlight 19 күн бұрын

Baku Initiative Group is a purely anti-colonialist movement, and it was a big thing for Azerbaijan's politics in the Non-Aligned Movement

@flappley 19 күн бұрын

@@theblueskyisstolensunlight it's not really for the good of Baku's heart, it's just to hurt France, but I mean they SHOULD let go of their influence in Africa and whoever desires independence, because self determination is quite important. But if you tell that to Azerbaijan, they would quickly say "No" about self determination which really goes to show what their true desire is in doing this.

@SOARSA-fr6uj 19 күн бұрын

@@flappleyyep but the enemy of my enemy can be my ally…!

@flappley 19 күн бұрын

@@SOARSA-fr6uj Yup

@theblueskyisstolensunlight 18 күн бұрын

@flappley look, Baku will never seriously support any separatist movement within France métropole. But Africa and the Pacific are different. These are territories of colonies, however you call them. In the case of Caledonia and French Polynesia, bad relationships with France are a bonus, not a cause. Azerbaijan has talked against neo-colonialism for years.

@mkmkmk9536 18 күн бұрын

Fascinating. Thanks GoCo for another great vid!

@GhostCountries 18 күн бұрын

Hey, thanks; glad you enjoyed it!

@mdm4261 20 күн бұрын

I think azerbajian should focus more on treating armenians better...

@bneymanov 20 күн бұрын

Azerbaijanis treated Armenians way better than Armenians treated Azerbaijanis. Research how the Armenian military killed 600 Azerbaijani civilians in Khojaly in one night in 1992. Or how Azerbaijanis of Kalbajar were given a few hours to escape on foot. Or look deeper on how it happened that Azerbaijanis stopped being the ethnic majority in what is today known as Armenia.

@TingTong2568 19 күн бұрын

@@bneymanov that's bs

@TommyMaoz 19 күн бұрын

I think france should focus on treating minorities better…

@altinbey5831 19 күн бұрын

@@TingTong2568 classic, gets shot up with facts and copes with “bs” 😢😢😢. You literally have no argument because you’re a brainwashed zombie who only listens to one side

@astillia6073 19 күн бұрын

@@bneymanov quick question, why did Armenia not annex the entirety of Nakhichevan then? It was entirely cut off from Baku during the entire war. How did the Azeris stop being to majority in Armenia???? Are you fucking stupid? They NEVER were the majority in Modern Armenian territories. this is a total lie. Armenia had a sizeable Azeri minority, mostly centered in Yerevan. Likewise, Azerbaijan had an Armenian minority, concentrated in Baku and Kirovabad. if they wanted to be psychos and larp as Greater Armenia, Mets Hayk, then that land is fucking dead to rights included. But amazingly they didn't, isn't that crazy? almost like their goal wasn't to kill all Azeris and restore historical lands. maybe it was about the population that wanted to leave. Ohh but why would they feel unsafe, Azeris never did anything to Armenians before 1990!!!! That's a lie. the Shusha pogrom was brutal killing FIVE HUNDRED Armenians on the Conservative end of estimates, the high end estimates are in the thousands! Citing a contemporary Armenian government report, Hovannisian places the death toll of the massacre at 500 Armenians and the destruction of many buildings in Shusha. German historian Jörg Baberowski states that the Armenian quarter of Shusha was "wiped off the face of the earth", indicated by 25 of 1,700 homes surviving the pogrom; also adding that 8,000 Armenians were massacred during the pogrom. Soviet historian Marietta Shaginyan wrote that 3-4 thousand or more than 12 thousand Armenians were killed and 7,000 homes were destroyed in three-days. The Great Soviet Encyclopedia entry for Shusha writes that "up to 20 percent of the population [of Shusha] died" when the city was burned. That was committed by Azeris in 1920! Fucking ages before 1990. There were in total 11 massacres of Armenians committed by Azeris. Armenians massacring Azeris? There were 3. Four, if you count the one where the Russian Army was involved. I will not deny that the Armenians failed to prevent war crimes. Their conduct was horrendous in Khojaly. But I bet you will fucking lie through your teeth about Azeri forces also massacring Armenians in the exact same region. Kirovabad pogrom. Baku Pogrom. Operation Ring. Maraga Massacre. Only fucking Azerbaijan says 613 people died in Khojaly. More than 200 (per Human Rights Watch) was the original estimate with a swing upwards. If you wanna play a numbers game like a sicko, all the fucking massacres combined that Azeris did meets or exceeds the deaths that Armenia caused. That shouldn't be the POINT. ANY death was bad, but you play this whataboutism to justify when Azeris fucking murder Armenians, instead of admitting both are atrocious. Losing the war for Nagorno-Karabakh doesn't make you some innocent martyr, it just makes you the loser in a war between two Ethnonationalist states. They even got Karabakh back. That should've been the end, if they had ANY intention of ruling as a fair, moral government. But No. they immediately betray their claims of national border integrity by pushing for border adjustments in Armenia proper. Disgusting rampant ethno-nationalism dressed up in a victim complex, with the mask dropped as soon as they had the advantage.

@mimishimura6314 20 күн бұрын

For some other (sort of) related news you could cover, maybe consider talking about the recent elections in the Solomon Islands 🇸🇧

@GhostCountries 20 күн бұрын

Oh, definitely; the election Jeremiah Manele really could have some far-reaching geopolitical implications for Oceania.

@xhaozhao 18 күн бұрын

Another successful democratically elected government despised by Melanesian socialist groups.

@jiayizhou323 20 күн бұрын

interesting and insightful Chanel. I really like your videos.😊

@GhostCountries 20 күн бұрын

Thank you as always Jiayi!

@grenadiergemini6109 8 күн бұрын

That’s a very reasonable argument on the part of the New Caledonians but I think France should work on preserving their own people firstly.

@CY-ye5dz 19 күн бұрын

Power to all indigenous peoples!

@xhaozhao 18 күн бұрын

No such thing as indigenous.

@gorkaaustin5306 18 күн бұрын

@@xhaozhaoa simple google search of the definition would help! but I know some people are just a bit slower ❤

@gorkaaustin5306 18 күн бұрын

@@xhaozhaook Mao

@xhaozhao 18 күн бұрын

@@gorkaaustin5306 xie xie ni

@willx9352 17 күн бұрын

@@gorkaaustin5306 I hope you agree then with the Indigenous peoples of Europe rising up against the invasion of their homelands by non-Indigenous people from Africa and Asia.

@tommarch.4493 20 күн бұрын

Your statistics part is a bit wrong. The Europeans (including Caldoches, Zoreilles and Metros) make up 30% of the island population. And it's too simplistic to qualify each people orientation toward independence based on their origin, since there's some mix. Kanaks makes up of the majority of the electorate for the referendums for example

@xhaozhao 18 күн бұрын

And most of them voted NON.

@flxdz7103 8 күн бұрын

Your data is incorrect because the Kanaks comprise just 42% of the population while the French settlers 37% (not 30% as what you said) and remaining percentage are made up of Polynesians, Wallisians, Indonesians, Vietnamese, and others which totals 58% of the population of NewCal and all theirs voters are for "Non".

@xhaozhao 7 күн бұрын

@@flxdz7103 Most of them CANT VOTE based on the Noumea Accords. Most the electorate for the referendums are consisting of Kanaks and they still voted NO. NewCal is and will be French. Move on.

@Albrik_IT 9 күн бұрын

We get New Caledonia before Bougainville?

@GhostCountries 8 күн бұрын

This episode was more of an update to our older one; I can’t say exactly when, but I do plan to cover Bougainville soon - especially since this video performed reasonably well!

@northamericanintercontinen3207 18 күн бұрын

Azeri intervention is Aliyev’s retaliation for French support for Armenia since the genocide.

@albert6970 20 күн бұрын

Can you cover the next austrian elections because its getting really crazy here with new parties getting seats etc

@LuisAldamiz 20 күн бұрын

Really? I'm not really "surprised" (the whole "Weimar Regime" in all Europe is showing terrible cracks as it operates against objective European interests and in favor of foreign ones rather) but I'm not aware of the details re. Austria either.

@drillerkiller9 16 күн бұрын

@@LuisAldamizwhat the fuck are you talking about, what does this have to do with the Weimarer Republik. It seems its not only the details youre unaware of

@LuisAldamiz 16 күн бұрын

@@drillerkiller9 - The Weimar Republic was ruled by a coalition of conservative and social-dems much like the EU (and many of its member states) is. That's the core comparison and you should be able to understand it if you know the relevant history. It was in Germany the "Grosse Koalition" over and over, largely because the opposition was the KPD, which was very much undesired for the bourgeois direction of the post-revolution regime. The Weimar coalition also facilitated in various ways the rise of Nazism, first of all with the murderous violence of the Freikorps, later by pretty much voting a red carpet for the rise of Hitler to power. This last is also happening now in the EU, with Von der Leyen getting cozy with the likes of Meloni, a confessed follower of Mussolini's ideas and political project, supporting the Nazi regime in Ukraine, repressing the anti-genocide protests, etc. The comparison may not be perfect (no comparison is) but it's quite good anyhow.

@Vryheid 7 күн бұрын

What is Ghost Countries index

@TingTong2568 19 күн бұрын

Azerbaijan is backed by Turkey. They are both in cohorts in this movement.

@FuraIIII 19 күн бұрын

I am for the Democraty!

@xhaozhao 18 күн бұрын

Thank you for supporting France.

@kyu6938 12 күн бұрын

i know your mascot is supposed to look like a ghost but before i read your channel name i thought it was something else

@giulianococco887 10 күн бұрын

If it's true most people in the Islands voted to remain as part of France in the last referendum it will not represent a threat for the French Republic's interests

@redclydesidehl6026 Күн бұрын

The pro independence movement boycotted the last election, so clearly it was not any actual representation

@blazer9547 19 күн бұрын

Its already taken care of.

@oihanlarranegi472 18 күн бұрын

We'll see how Macron's dissolution of parliament and subsequent election affects this whole situation

@ChancellorOfHistory 20 күн бұрын

Fun.

@shane1948 18 күн бұрын

Azerbaijan to Turkey is Belarus to Russia

@anthonyscarborough3813 10 күн бұрын

New Caledonia is a non-Western nation in Melanesia that’s still under French colonial rule. Give it up France, the time of overseas colonial empires is over. Let the Kanak people have their own independent sovereign state.

@roucky25 16 күн бұрын

5:46 unfreezing the electorate would be for the Provincial elections, not the referendum

@pieterjan29 19 күн бұрын

I call them the" British of the pacific." Thinking of being alone will boost the economy.

@Briselance 4 күн бұрын

No way in Hell nor Heaven we will ever let go of New-Caledonia.😂

@LyrikPop-xc4xj 15 күн бұрын

I hope New Caledonia gains their independence, but not through war, they should wait until next year to vote again

@tupperlake100 2 күн бұрын

I have read that indigenous residents of New Caledonia are resisting French legislation that would result in their losing the identity. This is kind of ironic since Europe is resisting inflluence of Muslim culture.

@NapoleanBlown-aparte 19 күн бұрын

Irish territory once more 😎

@jatinpatel1224 16 күн бұрын

CCP be condemned for this unrest.

@keegandecker4080 20 күн бұрын

The question should really be: why does France have an overseas empire in the first place?

@LuisAldamiz 20 күн бұрын

Because they can or rather because they *could* (past tense). 150 years ago there were no great powers on Earth other than those of Europe (incipiently the USA maybe, not even Japan had kickstarted yet) and one of the most persistent European powers was always France. This have of course changed a bit in the last century or so but old habits die hard and the great superpower USA is not particularly interested in dissolving the residual colonial empires of its vassals, which come handy oftentimes.

@GhostCountries 20 күн бұрын

We kind of will address that in a future video about some of France’s other overseas territories, but I definitely think we’ll do a video on the Second French colonial empire at some point as well.

@BlueBuckJS 20 күн бұрын

@@GhostCountries I don't know which territories you're going to cover, but I personally have always found French Guiana pretty interesting - it actually sort of has a history similar to that of New Caledonia, having been a penal colony, etc.

@Argacyan 20 күн бұрын

Why France has an empire could be answered in so many ways, but considering 3 days ago was the anniversary of the 1944 Normandy Landing a simple answer can just be: Nobody stopped the French empire.

@astillia6073 19 күн бұрын

Is it an Empire if the population are Full Citizens with complete rights? Unless France has completely banned Independence referendums, its hard to call this an Empire on the levels of the Old Imperial ones.

@HisShadow 19 күн бұрын

The island had three independence referendums and all three ended with them wanting to stay in France. The case is closed. It's French land. Every adult French citizen should be given full voting rights and these rioters charged with insurrection.

@elguido 19 күн бұрын

If all the turkish residents of a german town decide they want to be part of turkey and they get majority, is it case closed?

@HisShadow 19 күн бұрын

@@elguido That is a foolish comparison. New Caledonia has been a French territory for over a 150 years. Turkish immigrants are just immigrants. They don't have any rights or claim to revert sovereign territory to a foreign nation. Try another ridiculous straw man next time.

@16psyco 18 күн бұрын

@@elguido If they are not German citizen they can't vote. And a town is still under the legislation of the country it's a part of... your example is really bad

@gb4206 18 күн бұрын

@HisShadow No, your argument is the ridiculous one. Its very arbitrary. Where is the line? Turkish immigrants have been in Germany for like 40 years or so now. You say New Caledonia was colonized 150 years ago. I guess there's a universal 150-year rule that says if u own a land for that time its yours forever? What kind of nonsense is that. People have the right to self determination regardless of ur arbitrary rules

@the_odd_cat553 18 күн бұрын

@@HisShadowSome turks are here in the 4th generation, longer than many French people in new caledonia.

@BoliceOccifer 3 күн бұрын

It's interesting to see a non-European anti-immigrant movement based upon fear of racial and cultural replacement. While I do understand where the Kanak are coming from, I don't think separatism is a good idea. Like it or not, being a French territory gives them far more political stability than they would have otherwise. I'm not saying that independence means they end up like Haiti, but it would make it more likely. Also kinda funny that Azerbaijan is trying to support anti-French revolution in the south pacific.

@GokhanGursel-eu1xm 18 күн бұрын

Next free Corsica, support FLNC

@16psyco 18 күн бұрын

Les Corses veulent redevenir Italiens ?

@himlingpatrice 18 күн бұрын

Majority of french people would agree. Maybe more than corsican.

@kitdyer8968 8 күн бұрын

Independence

@arvidgreat 19 күн бұрын

No, if they did the nation would go to hell within a few years.

@johnrode43 18 күн бұрын

I will always support democracy. Do not allow genocide

@xhaozhao 17 күн бұрын

Thank you for supporting France. We will not stand watching the Kanaks commit acts of genocide against the non-Kanaks should they become independent.

@user-gz9js7fd2p 5 күн бұрын

They're better off with France than an independent country. France is rich and powerful. Being a French colony they can have good štandard of living.

@gloucesterjet1 15 күн бұрын

Good video but I will not accept that Europeans "discovered" New Caledonia as there were already native Kanak people who inhabited these islands long before the arrival of these latter day European arrivals. Europeans did not discover New Caledonia, Kanaks did! Kanaks should take heart and learn from the Algerians and Vietnamese & others around the world who were colonised by the French and other Europeans but eventually freed themselves from French & other Western colonial rule and gained complete independence. Fight, fight, fight and fight somemore regardless of the cost and how long it will take to free yourselves from French colonial rule and become masters of your own land and to decide your own national and ethnic destiny.

@GhostCountries 15 күн бұрын

Hey, thanks for the comment and I'm glad you liked the video! Oh, I think there’s a bit of a misunderstanding here. The phrasing “first discovered by Europeans“ means the first time New Caledonia was discovered by Europeans, not the first time it was ever discovered. Plus, we refer to the Kanak as the archipelago’s indigenous people. That all being said, we go more into New Caledonia’s history prior to the arrival of Europeans in a separate video (which is linked in the description), including the Lapita culture, etc.

@zachl3330 19 күн бұрын

2:48 - this fact changed my mind! I initially read the situation through my personal biases: 1) a lot of referendum movements seem to love calling a second referendum until they get the results they want. I see those movements as less legitimate. Hearing the Nouméa Accords were set up to have a series of referenda, well that changes that in my eyes. 2) I’m generally critical of the UN definition of colonies, the list points the finger at US, UK, and French islands but totally consigns the policies of Russia and China towards their “autonomous” regions as sufficiently not colonial. I know China has agitated the Kanaky movement which gets me critical. I thought the agreement was very fair saying these French that came here in the 70s, their children, New Caledonia is the only home they know they have a say. But the expiring timeline opening up the referendum to new arrivals, I have to concede, it would be more legitimate to postpone the agreed upon final referendum to happen after the pandemic with the voting requirements of the Noumea accords still applicable. 3) In my generally right wing worldview, it’s easy to see anti-colonialism as that old meme of the guy on the bike putting a rod in the spokes and then blaming whatever the meme is about. My first scan of the issue was France pours a lot of development money into New Caledonia, would an independent Kanaky pull an *almost everywhere in Africa* and turn into a corrupt, economic laggard and still be demanding this development as “reparations” - I thought obviously. But hearing they’re concerned with replacement migration? I… kind of have to say maybe they’re more based than I thought?

@MBBurchette 19 күн бұрын

Haven’t Kanaks been told that diversity is a strength?

@erikthomsen4768 16 күн бұрын

It is the subject of considerable debate. There are those who see the benefits of this union of two worlds. But there is diversity even within this ethnic group. For some the consequences are not as important as the vision of independence.

@Retroist2024 12 күн бұрын

diversity is the strength of France, not kanaks

@danielprw512 16 күн бұрын

TLDR: France is still participating in Colonialism and doesnt want to give the Island to the Native "kanak" people back.

@Red-90 13 күн бұрын

A referendum should be held where only the natives can vote. The colonizers shouldn't vote. Imagine if Nigeria invaded France and sent 120 millions Nigerians and then said let's vote and the Nigerians vote to change the culture, language and control the resources. This is exactly what France is doing in new Caledonia.

@jaystrickland4151 19 күн бұрын

When anticolonialism and democratic principals collide which should win ?

@himlingpatrice 18 күн бұрын

Very good question. French political parties have contradictory opinions when they talk about France or New Caledonia. The far right is against the colonization of France by African people and supports equal rights in New Caledonia. The left supports equal rights in France but supports racial discrimination in New Caledonia.

@erikthomsen4768 16 күн бұрын

When one inherits a legacy of fire it is best not to fight fire with fire. The horrors of the colonial era must be minimised. But taking away certain people’s rights and this talk ethnic cleansing is the same sort of evil and it must be prevented.

@Nemesis14423 17 күн бұрын

What is new caledonia?

@yurironoue5888 14 күн бұрын

The terrorist republic of Azerbaijan has a lot of audacity to stoke division, when they don't have democracy or protected civil and political rights for their own subjects, let alone the indigenous Armenians of Nagorno-Karabakh that they ethnically cleansed.

@OmerOmer-bu9hd 13 күн бұрын

you have no idea about azerbaijan armenia invading azerbaijan everybody (of course they are christians they can do it😊) when azerbaijan get their lands back (what !? terrorists they are muslims they are stealing lands😡)

@Stojki-Bojk1 13 күн бұрын

at first i thought they were some usless islands in the pacific but i google searched their population and land area so i understand why it might be a problem to lose caledonia

@rabbidcrazy787 15 күн бұрын

They deserve independence from France.

@user-hv6pm5ke2o 13 күн бұрын

Another problem the French have is the Comorro Islands want to take the island of Mayot off the French near Madagascar.

@alexelshami8723 17 күн бұрын

I don't like France but in this I'm pro France specially after Azerbaijan got it self involved

@mr_khatkar990 18 күн бұрын

But WHY has Kanak's voted to reject the Independence 2 times in a row? Do they don't want independence from France? Or is it lack of trust on local government?

@xhaozhao 18 күн бұрын

Simply put: the majority of NC, both non-Kanaks and Kanaks alike don’t want independence for they benefit greatly from France through economic support, incentives and exclusivity through European markets. However a small group of “Melanesian Socialists” AKA Tribal Communists are not having it and are throwing their toys out the pram and destroying the lives of the rest of NC through arson and violence. Because that is exactly what communists do: make others as miserable as themselves so that they are equal.

@tetraxis3011 17 күн бұрын

The French inmigrants outnumber the native population.

@erikthomsen4768 16 күн бұрын

People are human beings and that means there are more to life than separatism. Cut France out the equation and the economy, education system and financial sector goes down the drain and don’t even get me started alienating quarters of the population.

@TheZerech 20 күн бұрын

The Kanak are a minority on the island, hence why they are so preciously guarding the right to vote on the island. If it "got independence" would they deny the vote to non-ethnic Kanak?

@Argacyan 20 күн бұрын

Subject of the vote is their independence, so you could ask if any country on earth with an independence from somebody else would deny the vote. Long story short: Not inherently, but if it happened or not depends on how strong conservatives are after independence. If conservatism is a reason to deny independence, the independence of France itself can be ended right now.

@Weda01 18 күн бұрын

@@ArgacyanDidn't the majority already vote to stay with France?

@Argacyan 18 күн бұрын

@@Weda01 in 2 of the 3 votes loyalists narrowly won, the third vote was carried out below threshhold by maybe a third of the voting population & with exclusion of the opposition. This was also kinda said in the video you're commenting under even if it held back talking about the full extend of the vote.

@Weda01 18 күн бұрын

@@Argacyan But isn't that the mistake of the opposition, by choosing not to vote? I mean if we vote in any other democratic country (where voting isn't mandatory like in Belgium for example) then the party who gets the most votes wins the election, no matter how low the turn-out.

@Argacyan 18 күн бұрын

@@Weda01 That's actually not the case, if turn-out is too low a vote doesn't count in most countries due to lacking mandate. It's one reason why boycotts can happen, outside of other causes such as the content or conduct of a vote being seen as obscene to society - which is also a reason mentioned for this vote as the opposition cites it would violate funerary tradition. The vote took place after a wave of Covid-related deaths during the pandemic.

@rodniegsm1575 17 күн бұрын

They are exporting Western ikigial immigrant to other countries, but they are afraid of immigrant in there iwn country

@erikthomsen4768 16 күн бұрын

Inheriting a colonial mess is the fault of the current generation. It is merely their responsibility to deal with. You might not like these people for being to white for pacific paradise. But they are all French citizens under the law. It is one thing to more from one country to another and a very different thing moving from one part of the country to another part of the same country.

@gostavoadolfos2023 16 күн бұрын

The french conquered the land and it became french. Savages must learn when they are conquered and act accordingly and be grateful for building a civilization there.

@AhmedMushtaq-ux9wu 17 күн бұрын

New Caledonia freedom now

@erikthomsen4768 16 күн бұрын

Freedom cannot come at the expense of freedom. If that was then France would still lord over these three islands like a colonial overlord.

@psy-lion 18 күн бұрын

Latvia supports New Caledonian independence! COLONIAL TIMES ARE OVER! 🏳🏳🏳

@erikthomsen4768 16 күн бұрын

Even at the expense of equal representation. Maybe we should ask Russia if they feel Latvia’s democracy should be ignored.

@flxdz7103 8 күн бұрын

@@erikthomsen4768 HYPOCRITE Lithuanians, Latvians, and Estonians.

@AhmedMushtaq-ux9wu 17 күн бұрын

Freedom for New Caledonia

@WASHINGinAZ 18 күн бұрын

Perhaps the indigenous people want some rights, or are you painting this as it hear and now, not how people have been treated

@erikthomsen4768 16 күн бұрын

What rights would that be? The only one I can find is the right to disproportionate representation and when they got that it didn’t turn out well. Every citizen should be equal regardless of race, background or ancestry.

@WASHINGinAZ 16 күн бұрын

@@erikthomsen4768 ok, i don't see it the colonial way, but that equality you feel should exist, does not, definitely not for the oppressed, but they must be getting what they deserve? It is not OK to plunder from people under the guise of "we are making your life better, more like ours" with no consideration that perhaps wanting their own culture matters, that is the sovereignty that is so quickly forgotten, especially when you have a strong belief that your way is best, but thank you for your narrow selfish perspective

@erikthomsen4768 15 күн бұрын

@@WASHINGinAZ I won’t try to justify colonialism. I am not that stupid. What I am saying is that I can’t any rights denied to the indigenous people. In fact it would seem they are over represented in every election because a large number of citizens can’t vote because of the 30 year rule. This disproportionately affects non-indigenous people.

@glitchy6449 17 күн бұрын

The Kanaks are more than justyfied to want independence, just look at what happened to Corsica after the frenchies moved on the island.

@Forlfir 13 күн бұрын

They've voted no three times

@ItzCoopzFtw 18 күн бұрын

It wasn't first "discovered" by europeans. People were already there.

@GhostCountries 18 күн бұрын

Hey, I think there’s a bit of a misunderstanding here. The phrasing “first discovered by Europeans“ means the first time New Caledonia was discovered by Europeans, not the first time it was ever discovered. We go more into New Caledonia’s history prior to the arrival of Europeans in a separate video (which is linked in the description), including the Lapita culture, etc.

@purpleblastoise 20 күн бұрын

Free New Caledonia! 🇳🇨

@adamradziwill 20 күн бұрын

no, Long Live the Democracy !!

@grrumakemeangry 20 күн бұрын

Are you stupid? nous de nouveau caledonia voulons rester chez la france

@Argacyan 20 күн бұрын

@@adamradziwill I'm looking for an alternate reality where the Kanak were asked democratically to be invaded by France in the 19th century.

@astillia6073 19 күн бұрын

@@Argacyan Im looking for the alternate reality where 2 independence referendums that granted automatic eligibility to voters of Kanak origin but excluded those of other origins who had not been longtime residents of the territory didnt fail. I know its hard for your brain to understand but people can get over bad things happening 200 years ago. oh, and an accord that excludes people who lived there for a quarter of a century from voting is just reverse apartheid. and it didnt even give independence.

@16psyco 18 күн бұрын

@@Argacyan I'm looking for an alternate reality where the French were asked democratically to be invaded by the Roman, the Frank, the British, the German, the Maure...

@bisoafuayaa74 20 күн бұрын

New Caledonia was not discovered.

@sefhammer6276 20 күн бұрын

@bisoafuayaa74 20 күн бұрын

@@sefhammer6276 you can’t “discover” land where people were already living. The word “discover” justifies colonialism and imperialism and suggests no one was there and that the colonizers are the rightful owners. Kanaky is occupied territory!

@soudino2723 20 күн бұрын

same with the north and south america

@sefhammer6276 20 күн бұрын

@@bisoafuayaa74 He said by Europeans as in first time they knew about the islands discoverd. not first to discover was Europeans no?

@xhaozhao 20 күн бұрын

@@bisoafuayaa74New Caledonia was discovered.

@Rayzajw 18 күн бұрын

Time to free new caledonia

@kokwahcheah1357 3 күн бұрын

FREEDOM! THE TIME IS NOW😢😅😂❤

@jakegarvin7634 20 күн бұрын

Kind of tired of ruthless colonizing powers like Azerbaijan and France playing games with the weak. My thoughts go out to the Armenians and the Kanaks

@LuisAldamiz 20 күн бұрын

Ditto.

@bneymanov 20 күн бұрын

Lol, this might be the most fearful anybody ever spoke of Azerbaijan. Here's your Azerbaijan 101: - It is a country of 10 million that was a colony of Russia for the last ~200 years (bar 30). - Every 10th person in the country was internally displaced, and a fifth of the territory was occupied by Armenia with the help of their colonial benefactor Russia (whom France aims to replace). - What today is referred as Armenia only exists because the Azerbaijani Turkic majority was ethnically cleansed from there over the past 200 years. The country is freaking split in two, for Christ's sake. It's a small guy on the block, who is simply naturally allied with those being bullied by the big guys. And after all, if France supports separatists within Azerbaijan, why shouldn't Azerbaijan play an uno reverse card here?

@EphraimIgnacio 20 күн бұрын

@@bneymanovlmao shut up nerd.

@astillia6073 19 күн бұрын

@@bneymanov "What today is referred as Armenia only exists because the Azerbaijani Turkic majority was ethnically cleansed from there over the past 200 years. The country is freaking split in two, for Christ's sake." Holy shit mongol-turkoman hordes invading and displacing the people living there causes strange demographics? say it isnt so, Ive never heard this. I wonder where the room for Azeris came from, im sure the Classical Armenians just moved out of the way when the Mongol Empire arrived.

@yazovgaming 19 күн бұрын

Me too

@stephenvunagi961 18 күн бұрын

Correction 1:29 where you said European first discover New Caledonia. New Caledonia is not discovered as you mention. Kanak which is the indigenous people were already living in the Island before European illegally overtook the Island. Don't write other people's history if you know nothing about. Let the Kanak people write their own story which is genuine and true.

@xhaozhao 18 күн бұрын

Which law or constitutional part of the state of Kanaky did the French break by overtaking the island? Exactly.

@GhostCountries 18 күн бұрын

Hey, I think there’s a bit of a misunderstanding here. The phrasing “first discovered by Europeans“ means the first time New Caledonia was discovered by Europeans, not the first time it was ever discovered. Plus, we refer to the Kanak as the archipelago’s indigenous people. That all being said, we go more into New Caledonia’s history prior to the arrival of Europeans in a separate video (which is linked in the description), including the Lapita culture, etc.

@xhaozhao 17 күн бұрын

@@GhostCountries So there was another culture that existed before the Kanaks? So the Kanaks aren’t indigenous then.

@GhostCountries 17 күн бұрын

The Kanak more than likely are descendants of the Lapita, who were the first known people to settle Island Melanesia. However, there is some evidence suggesting a possible pre-Lapita culture in New Caledonia too. Long story short, the origin of Kanak people is still kind of unclear (from an archeological perspective), but they likely are connected to the Lapita in some way.

@xhaozhao 16 күн бұрын

@@GhostCountries And hence, the Kanak people are not the true indigenous people of New Caledonia. Thank you for clarifying.

@gary53 Күн бұрын

It seems French arrogance is at play here

@tinavalentino9713 20 күн бұрын

More election interference than the US! Wow what an episode. 👏👏👏

@TheAspiringCentenarian 17 сағат бұрын

BREAKING NEWS: Good 'ol colonialism still ongoing!!!

@DrLynch2009 20 күн бұрын

Those Kanak people sound a bit, you know, xenophobic.

@jen_sen8508 19 күн бұрын

You mean anticolonialist

@asscheeks3212 19 күн бұрын

@jen_sen8508 then they should ban Turks. They copy every European tactic. Should be fair no?

@mohammedabdul4832 19 күн бұрын

You can only be xenophobic against Humans lol. Snaileaters are Not human

@quintribute 19 күн бұрын

Dont they know replacement migration is a conspiracy theory

@bluesteel8376 19 күн бұрын

@@jen_sen8508 Nope, xenophobic.

@rami8896 19 күн бұрын

Its wild how some countries are allowed to do this in 2024. I guess colonialism isnt that easy to get rid of, but Im sure if you replace the name France with China and the West's view on this matter would change completely.

@Weda01 18 күн бұрын

It's not like France just now got it in their possession. How do you think most countries were created in the first place?

@alisyd5645 18 күн бұрын

Get out France!!!!

@th3oryO 18 күн бұрын

Azerbaijan forgetting that without EU money they are a backwater 😂 colonisation is only bad when its not you doing it huh?

@technobladeleakedclips1827 17 күн бұрын

Turkos colonizing armenian land and utter silence, France having an old colony everyone loses there minds

@dr94279 17 күн бұрын

The Kanaks should stop being so racist

@xhaozhao 17 күн бұрын

Well its Melanesian Socialism. Can’t exist without racism.

@meireek9937 16 күн бұрын

Then the French colonizers should leave first

@MarkMcAllister-ni9sf 17 күн бұрын

China

@supa3ek 17 күн бұрын

Racist detected !!!! Nothing to do with china and yet you racist haters will add them to it because its what you do !!!!!

@scarlet2836 19 күн бұрын

Free New Caledonia from America! 🇺🇸🇳🇨🇦🇿

@fra604 19 күн бұрын

Bro really put an Azerbaijani flag there

@timkbirchico8542 18 күн бұрын

Very good vid. Thanks. Russia and France! Russia has always supported anti colonial movements, China too. Macron le micron. French foreign forces go home!

@Forlfir 13 күн бұрын

Russia and China? Loool they just colonized their neighbors