Part 1 - Mid Century Teak Dining Table Restoration: Eco vs Chemical Stripper

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2 жыл бұрын

In this video antique restorer Simon Gilboy compares the effectiveness of a water-based eco-friendly wood stripper against a professional dichloromethane chemical stripper.
At the same time Simon goes on to prepare a mid century, Nathan teak dining table ready for sealing and wax polishing with beeswax polish.
Part 2 of this restoration : • Part 2 - Mid Century T...
Gilboys Furniture Restoration was established in 1994.
Simon Gilboy was apprenticed by Dartington Trust and with the help of the Princes Trust established his furniture restoration business just outside of Totnes in South Devon, UK.
Find out about our Beeswax Polishes: gilboys.co.uk
Materials used in this video:
Water-based Eco-friendly wood stripper, Dichloromethane wood stripper, Dust mask, An old paintbrush, Painter's roller tray, Gilboys Restorer's Apron, Rubber Gloves, Protective eye wear, Cabinet Scraper, 120 grit sandpaper, Methylated spirits, Homemade wood and carpet sanding block, elbow grease.
00:17 Introduction
01:52 Eco-friendly Water-based Stripper vs Chemical Stripper
03:18 Application of eco-friendly stripper
04:11 Application of chemical stripper
06:16 Stripping the old finish
10:12 Using coarse wire wool to remove the finish
12:16 Using steel wool to clean the water based stripper
13:48 Advantages and disadvantages of using a water based stripper
15:52 Strip three times
16:35 3rd strip of the old finish
18:01 Scrubbing the surface dry with steel wool
20:40 Opening the butterfly leaf
22:20 Eco-friendly stripper results
22:50 Re-using the steel wool
22:35 Test Results
24:55 Timelapse of stripping the base
25:20 Sanding preparation
27:14 Should you use water based stripper on antique furniture?
28:20 Sanding the table with 120 grit sandpaper
29:18 Sanding out cross-grain scratches
30:02 Advice for using an electric sander
30:47 How thick is a modern wood veneer?
32:25 G-Plan coffee table cut in half
33:02 Sanding through the veneer
33:22 This is what stitched veneer looks like
34:10 Denatured alcohol / Methylated Spirits washed over the surface
34:48 Washing the surface with Meths
36:34 Chipboard showing through the veneered surface
38:28 Explanation of sanding with 120 grit sandpaper
19:01 End of Part 1

Пікірлер: 47
@beverleycunningham5937
@beverleycunningham5937 Жыл бұрын
LOVE watching your videos. Thank you for all the great tips, I’m going to need them as I’m about to attempt to restore a LOT of furniture for my sons first home. Take care.
@Cradley684
@Cradley684 2 жыл бұрын
Enjoyed the video, can't wait for Part Two, Thank's for the share and have a nice day !!!.
@GilboysRestoration
@GilboysRestoration 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Brian
@Oldewood_Studio
@Oldewood_Studio 2 жыл бұрын
Extremely helpful video. Many thanks. I had little success with a water-based stripper until I watched one of your earlier videos using a professional stripper. I took your approach (strip x 3) and used steel wool and suddenly magic happened. Watching you experiment with the water-based stripper alongside the chemical one, with your thoughts on how it is working, sanding practice, etc, is invaluable. Looking forward to part 2.
@GilboysRestoration
@GilboysRestoration 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Máire. 🙂
@maturefox1
@maturefox1 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the very useful information - and thank you for organizing this interesting experiment! Greetings from Germany! The silver fox, David 😉🦊
@MAZ7487
@MAZ7487 2 жыл бұрын
I’m just coming to the end of my first project to refinish a Nathan nest of tables following your process using a water based stripper from Screwfix. Like you I was VERY pleasantly surprised at how good the product was at removing the old finish. I’m now on the lookout for a table for my next project.
@GilboysRestoration
@GilboysRestoration 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Chris. Go for it. I think it is definitely the way to go for teak MCM furniture. ✅
@sabentley101
@sabentley101 Жыл бұрын
Mr. Gilboy, my question is what brand of Eco-friendly Water-based Stripper are you using?
@lasdospalomas1281
@lasdospalomas1281 2 жыл бұрын
Another, fabulous, tutorial. Very much looking forward to the part 2. If you ever find the time, would like to know what you folks think of the use of aerosol oven cleaners as a stripper? It's been a "thing", here in the US, for a couple years.
@GilboysRestoration
@GilboysRestoration 2 жыл бұрын
Hi. I have never even heard of such a thing? I know I have used them to clean an oven, but for furniture? They are extremely hazardous sprays .
@BraillestoneAFS
@BraillestoneAFS Жыл бұрын
Wowsers, I'm so glad (after hours of watching others) to have come across your videos; your process is straightforward and all I needed to see/hear, as refinish a 60s dining table we plan on keeping. Thanks very much for such great work! (Do you ever wish you had an apprentice?! ;D)
@GilboysRestoration
@GilboysRestoration Жыл бұрын
You're very welcome. Thank you. 🙂
@1240enzo
@1240enzo 2 жыл бұрын
I must admit pretty much everything I have worked on over the past 30 plus years has only been antique furniture and antique joinery. From my experience with such timbers, and especially when needing to cleanup after removing painted finishes as opposed to a shellac or varnish finish the water based/eco paint stripper just was way too ineffective. Hence, I have stuck with using chemical strippers. However, in the case of this veneered table i can certainly see how effective the water based stripper worked and that’s pretty impressive. I absolutely agree re your comments about the need for care in using electric sanders vrs hand sanding and yes, I too always start with 120 grit before moving on. Ditto re the use of metho to check the colour/grain of the timber. In restoring what I work on I skip 180 and normally go to 240 and thereafter 320 or even 400 grit papers before commencing applying my finish of choice. In the case of using chemical strippers, I normally would neutralise the surface prior to commencing sanding as i want to be certain there is no residual chemical left behind which could affect the new finish. I look forwards to part 2 of this project re how you might be able to deal with the colour difference between the outer leaves of the table and the butterfly section, also will be interested in the graining technique. A quick question, what are your thoughts on the use of hard shellac, or the use of tung oil as a finish coating vrs normal shellac for a dining table given how readily shellac can be damaged by water or heat. I have never used hard shellac but am interested to know if it’s potentially more durable as a finish fur such furniture as a dining table, especially an antique table.
@GilboysRestoration
@GilboysRestoration 2 жыл бұрын
Hi David. Thank you for your comments. I think its always nice to read about other restorers techniques. I was shocked by how effective this stripper was. Having read reviews from so many people slating the product I wanted to know why. I know it may well not perform as well s the chemical in other situations. I think I will try it on a tougher finish to see how it performs, possibly another video. The reason I neutralise after I have sanded with 120 grit is to ensure there is no steel wool residue.It eliminates the risk of the wire wool reacting with the meths, leaving black burn marks on the surface. When it comes to finishing I find that it's not just a case of what finish works best but also the aesthetics of it, personal preference: A table tops shellac will give you a completely different look and feel to an oiled finish, or a lacquered finish. All of which have their merits. Tung oil in my experience takes too long to dry and penetrates too deep for my liking on a veneered finish. Shellac will give a deeper, glossier finish that shows of the grain but as you rightly say it is vulnerable to spills and heat. Also if you are trying to mimic the original look and feel of a MCM finish shellac is not an easy or effective way to do it. We at Gilboys have tried many ways of finishing these tables including two pack melamine lacquers. But the method I demonstrate not only can be achieved by anyone, it also looks, and importantly feels, like the original finishes of that time. On antique period tables and furniture they should nearly always be finished with shellac ( this doesn't mean they have to shine like a beacon, it's all down to the skill of understanding the processes and how to achieve the right look). We have always bought our polish premixed using a table top shellac polish that is tougher than an ordinary pale polish. We have finished period tables with lacquer before now. Sometimes the practical circumstances will dictate the finish. (holiday lets, hotel or B&B) Knowing that the finish can be removed and re-polished at a later date. 🙂 Many thanks for your comments. I'm in the middle of editing 'part 2' (over an hour long) Best wishes Simon
@1240enzo
@1240enzo 2 жыл бұрын
@@GilboysRestoration Hi Simon, Thankyou for your detailed reply, it’s much appreciated. I am frequently pleasantly surprised that while I have been restoring and learnt a lot of techniques over the years, there is still so much I am not aware of and always happy to learn from others way more experienced. I just sat down this afternoon and watched your French polishing series (parts 1-3), and while there was much I was aware of and employ, there was still much I havn’t been using and now feel more confident that my French polishing techniques can only improve. Unlike yourself who was professionally trained via an apprenticeship and have worked as a antiques restorer professionally, I am but an amateur with years of experience. I am looking forwards to utilising some of what your explained/demonstrated in my latest project, let alone some other projects coming up. I was equally surprised just effective the eco stripper was and given your experience, I think I will have to revisit this, maybe the effectiveness of these kinds of strippers has improved since I last tried them. I too would be interested to see how effective they might be on a tougher finish.. Yes, I get the reason for neutralising after sanding, after all as you say, the last thing you want left behind is some remnant steel wool leaving black or even rust marks behind. The more I have been recently learning from your channel, let alone Thomas Johnson (US based antiques restorer), about the variety of finish products, staining and so much more, I have also started to experiment with different finishes, not just in my own projects but as well clients projects I have worked on and/or will be in future. Thankyou re your thoughts on the use of shellac vrs Tung oil for items like table tops. I understand what you say and I must say while for side tables and other antique furniture (chairs/chest of drawers etc) I have always used shellac. Its for items like a dining table or those surfaces which would have high wear and/or risk of damage from water and heat that has had me wondering what kind of finish to use. I agree the level of shine achieved should be dictated by what one likes, what a customer might want or what seems appropriate for the item being restored. Having watched your most recent videos on the mid century table, I think a finish as you applied in this instance makes a lot of sense to me, and one I will try using in future. I don’t have the equipment or facilities to use 2 pack spray lacquers etc and in the end I prefer to use natural rather than ‘plastic coatings’ finishes. However, I accept they have their place.
@rayman365
@rayman365 Жыл бұрын
some things ive had to strip ..staying wet and not drying back into the wood on slow carved areas would be a bonus , but introducing moisture into the wood like that is a worry ,especially opening the grain or making wood softer and easier to damage for carved or moulded parts ...popping the grain is a plus for some finishes .....otherwise i would encourage diy'ers to use the non toxic one .....because our chemical strippers are horrible stuff to work with
@nickwoodall4744
@nickwoodall4744 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Simon, love the video, what was the brand name of the non toxic stripper that you used please? cheers Nick
@TheCottackWorkshop
@TheCottackWorkshop 2 жыл бұрын
Great video Simon - keen to see part 2! Very helpful for me as I am starting to go down the path of moving to professional grade tools, equipment, extraction etc and yes thinking about next level chemicals etc. Delighted to see the lower hazard “wallpaper paste” I use regularly in this application was good. Fully take the point on period pieces. Regarding the folding leaves - I’ve had several clients be quite happy and understanding with occasional use leaves being darker (they put a table cloth on anyway when using as you say) as it is sooo difficult to try to lighten the leaf to match the sun aged outer tops …and would be painful to me to darken the outer pieces down to match the shielded part. Keen to see what you do …and of course application of the worlds finest beeswax polish!
@GilboysRestoration
@GilboysRestoration 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you. I'm hoping that part 2 will shed a little more light on the folding 'butterfly leaf'. I hope all is well with you. Best wishes Simon
@lorimacgregor7671
@lorimacgregor7671 Жыл бұрын
Hi Simon, my husband had just discovered your videos and is excited to try a refinish on a table we bought at auction for 50p. Would you let us know what the eco friendly stripper you used in this video? We bought something called Bartoline tx 10 paint and varnish stripper, but unsure if it is any good. Thought it was worth asking you about the one you were using. Thank you! And thank you for the fabulous content. 👍😊
@time4clocks
@time4clocks 2 жыл бұрын
I've never had good success with liquid strippers and thank you for the tips you provide in this video. Have you ever removed a finish just using a card scraper? I've seen several videos where they used that instead of stripping agents and it seems to work well. Anyhow, thank you for another informative video!
@GilboysRestoration
@GilboysRestoration 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you. 🙂
@GilboysRestoration
@GilboysRestoration 2 жыл бұрын
We have used a scraper ‘dry’ on a finish. But only when the finish is very flaky. (Like flaky sunburnt skin). I really don’t understand why people have trouble with using liquid stripper. It is far more effective than dry sanding or scraping. Liquid strippers will only remove the old finish, they won’t damage the patinated wood surface it was protecting. Using paper or a scraper will undoubtedly remove a layer of wood at the same time which is fine if you want to strip and refinish to make a piece look like new. But it goes against all the aims of a restorer where you are striving to as little abrasive damage as possible to the ‘antique’ It’s the reason I create these videos. Restoration of old furniture is all about considered processes. Quick fixes or shortcuts often lead to the opposite effect. Sorry that was a bit of a rant. 😆 It’s like those special ‘wood reviving recipes’ I read and hear about. Mayonnaise, vinegar, methylated spirits.etc all mixed together with olive oil or linseed. It’s a cocktail of incompatible products that can harm an old finish and only work because there’s an oil slick on the surface. Sorry I’ve gone off again! Must be rant Friday. 😂. My advice is learn and understand the considered process of finishing and once one understands how they work then you can ‘adapt’ them to work differently in certain situations. ✅✅✅ Kind regards Simon. 🙂
@robertleyland4252
@robertleyland4252 Жыл бұрын
Great Video extremely helpful and informative, Question would it not be more environmentally friendly, and less messy to use an electric [orbital /belt sander] attached to a hoover with different grit sandpaper? Is there a specific reason to use the chemical stripper? Thanks, Rob.
@GilboysRestoration
@GilboysRestoration Жыл бұрын
Hi Rob. Thank you. I'm assuming you mean to just sand the table from the outset and not use a stripper. Sanding from the start is rarely a wise move. There are situations where you can do this but I would not recommend doing so on veneered table. It is highly likely that you will sand through. Also the sandpaper will likely clog up very quickly, meaning you will have to constantly change sandpaper. Other reasons for not straight out sanding: you are also likely to leave traces of the old finish in the grain which will sometimes only be seen when you start refinishing. By all means, it can be done, but you would have to be very attentive to the task in hand and one lapse in concentration and you've sanded through. The intention of this video, and many of the others on our channel, is to demonstrate a way of achieving an almost professional finish, with absolutely no prior experience or knowledge in this field. There are always alternative ways of doing things, but the levels of risk increase when corners are cut, fine if you are confident and have some experience. If you feel confident, and I say this without any malice, 'go fill your boots' as they say 👍😃. Best wishes Simon
@kennedymueller1788
@kennedymueller1788 Жыл бұрын
You mentioned polyester finish. I have a German Drawleaf table with polyester finish. I have not found anything that will even begin to remove the finish. I have used heat gun with some success. Do you know of a stripper that will remove polyester? Thank you.
@michaelnaylor6303
@michaelnaylor6303 Жыл бұрын
Hi, this was an extremely interesting video! I am just about to start stripping a teak Nathan sideboard. Please could you tell me which brand of water based stripper you have used in this video? Thanks 👍
@GilboysRestoration
@GilboysRestoration Жыл бұрын
It was Home Strip water based stripper
@michaelnaylor6303
@michaelnaylor6303 Жыл бұрын
@@GilboysRestoration thanks so much for replying!
@lisamccaff9217
@lisamccaff9217 2 жыл бұрын
Thinking about the people who sold this on FB for 25 pounds, now that Simon has it….
@GilboysRestoration
@GilboysRestoration 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Lisa. I'm going to send them the links to the vides once I have finished editing the last one.
@TheJewbecca
@TheJewbecca Жыл бұрын
I’m getting ready to strip a Victorian Eastgate dresser, lots of ornate carved details, that's been painted. Do you have any advice for stripping lots of little crevices and details?
@GilboysRestoration
@GilboysRestoration Жыл бұрын
Hi Rebecca Its probably too late, Sorry. But for others reading this, I would use wire wool and a whittled dowel to get in to these areas. Basically use anything you can think of that will get into the carved areas without damaging the wood. You have to be inventive. 👍
@marcelomendez9758
@marcelomendez9758 2 жыл бұрын
I use an eco-friendly water-based stripper - when using it on teak, some parts come out lighter than others, a bit blotchy. I've noticed that if I sand, some of the blotches go away. Following your advice, I strip three times. Any help?
@GilboysRestoration
@GilboysRestoration 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Marcelo. The real test is what does it look like when you wipe over it with some methylated spirits as I do in the video? Does it look even? if not then 'blotchy' means there is still old finish left behind. Take a look at pert two of this restoration to see more.. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jcp8d5eF2rG3n6s.html Best wishes Simon
@marcelomendez9758
@marcelomendez9758 2 жыл бұрын
@@GilboysRestoration Thank you Simon and Gilboys crew.
@jackieohehir3259
@jackieohehir3259 2 жыл бұрын
I tried the waterbased stripper once....a disaster....didn't do anything to an old lacquered finish. Never tried it again. That was a few years ago. Obviously it's improved since. What brand were you using?
@GilboysRestoration
@GilboysRestoration 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Jackie. Yes it really surprised me. Hopefully you will be able to buy it on our website soon. ✅
@MarianneCarlson-vg1tn
@MarianneCarlson-vg1tn Жыл бұрын
What is the non toxic stripper?
@jgprice9990
@jgprice9990 Жыл бұрын
I recently used a stripper for the first time (rustins stypit) on gloss painted stair treads and door…. Didnt even make a dent. I tried it 4 times. First time i put it on lightly (noob ik) the next time i did it liberally and used clingfilm in which is did something but again fruitless. Then i tried it really really liberally and still nothing. Finally i tried it on my door and this time i saw it all bubble up but once scraped it was pathetically a waste of time lol. Just wondered what specific stripper you used
@GilboysRestoration
@GilboysRestoration Жыл бұрын
I feel your pain. It's the pay off between a chemical stripper which is very effective but bad for your health and the planet. And environmentally safe ones which don't quite have the the same punch. We hopefully will be selling the stripper you saw me demonstrate in this video. I found it to be fantastic in this situation but it may not be so in other applications. The pay off for all the good stuff that it brings, (which is quite amazing ) is that it may be slower at the task it's employed to do. But if it goes in some small way to save your health and the planet then I personally feel its worth it. Kind regards Simon
@colmoleary8441
@colmoleary8441 2 жыл бұрын
the old nitromors would have started stipping that with the brush as soon as it was put on. It's a nightmare trying to get hold of the chemical stripper even if you are a business. I've been trying for a year and a half so far. Luckily I can strip french polish with meths... they haven't banned that yet!
@GilboysRestoration
@GilboysRestoration 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Colm. The chemical stripper I'm using is exactly the same as the old 'Nitromors'. In fact it's possibly stronger, as it's an industrial use stripper. The water based stripper, in this application, beat it hands down. 😳. I didn't expect it to, but it did.
@jeffreyrobert9460
@jeffreyrobert9460 5 ай бұрын
You need to better mic yourself. Bad sound
@handduggraverdronline
@handduggraverdronline Жыл бұрын
Why would you strip anything nade of chip board. Big L right there
@GilboysRestoration
@GilboysRestoration Жыл бұрын
What's a 'Big L'?
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