This is exactly what I am talking about! Thank you for sharing your experience. The Ginault watches are so impressive and you can definitely see and feel the quality. I'm glad you love your Ginault as much as I do. Thanks for watching. -Jon

Lol you are joking!!!

You think it's built like Rolex?

@@apostolosgalimanas8274 rolex 1960-2000 ==> no rolex after 2000 ==> yes the ginault is 95% quality modern rolex

I have a early made ginault and handled a Rolex gmt and have to say the Rolex has a better finish on everything but it’s almost a lot more $$ I wear my ginault all the time and it’s a solid watch that is finished very well for it’s price point if that makes sense.

Im buying this soon :)

Yeah said no one who actually has a rolex

Personally enjoy the busy text dial. To each their own

Yes they can drop 7500.. after a waiting list of 5 years.. and then maybe you could get it.

Not to mention rolex being arguably the biggest rip-off watch company whom have been ripping people off for decades and are stil trying to increase their prices their greed knows no bounds!😡

Thanks Brad. I really appreciate that. Thanks for watching. -Jon

Was think of the black bay 58 blue strap do you think the finally is better ?

Couldn’t agree more, you get so much with this watch for what you pay.

Thank you for the kind words, and thanks for watching. -Jon

where to signup for the wait list for OR2 Smurf?

@@killa49a waitning for OR 2 Smerf.

That's so kind of you to say. I'm glad you like the reviews! And thanks for watching. -Jon

I'm about to order this watch. Did you get the no date? And have you received it yet?

@@AKhan.28 Adil, yes I ordered and paid deposit for OR2 no date watch in mid May and was told to expect delivery in July. Have not received it yet. Best to you.

Lol - thanks man!

e r, There is no product page currently since this is only on pre-sale right now. However, you can email Ginault directly to get added to the pre-sale (ginault.com/). Retail price will be set at $1,499 USD for no-date models and $1,699 for date models. I hope this helps. Thanks for watching. -Jon

Probably just trying to match the text lines on the current Sub.

@@Markisflippinsweet Exactly - too much for me though. Cheers 😃

Hi GLD Edmond, My wrist measures 7in / 18cm. Let me know if you need anything else. Thanks for watching! -Jon

you have to email Ginault, and get on a waitlist

Hi Matt, This has solid end links. It's the real deal. Thanks for watching. -Jon

I should clarify that the new "modern" Ocean Rover 2 is offered in both lume colors: the Gold Sand & the Glowing Smurfs (crisp white). The choice between these 2 is really up to personal preference: the Gold Sand look is not found in any other watch and it gives a more vintage-patina, whereas the Glowing Smurfs is classic to keep the pure black/white look (I also like the blue-hue to the lume in the dark). My video highlighted the Gold Sand Lume on my Ocean Rover 1, which is different in the fact that the OR1 has the painted bezel (the blue/gold bezel is quite unique). The Ocean Rover 1 is still available, and it is a fantastic watch. But considering the upgrades added to the Ocean Rover 2, I definitely recommend the new OR2. I hope this helps. Thanks for watching. -Jon

What does yours run at?

Yes you are absolutely right. I am crazy person and i kinda love the mystique and controversy of the watch, its sort of the forbidden fruit of the watch community. As long as the quality is there and the accuracy I don’t mind paying that much. For me Watch brands are the establishment and Ginault is the renegade. Just reiterate you are absolutely right, as a lower class citizen i respect a infamous underground replica maker trying to go legitimate whether the story is true or not.

Whether they used to replicas is less of a point when someone is actually trying to improve or change their ways, especially when you look at the quality they offer for the price and how they stand by their products. This pretty much highlights "cancel/outrage culture" as there is no longer room for redemption, especially for something so subjective. The "No History" argument people propose actually makes no logical sense seeing as "history" has to begin somewhere and "literally" takes time. Unless of course, brands like Oris, Steinhart and Rolex all also really came around about 5 years ago. If someone started something yesterday and happens to be exceptional at it, do you rebuke them because they have "No History"? I guess that argument only works in the absence of logic. It feels as if people are angry that someone who "reportedly" used to make replicas is now trying to be legitimate, and is so exceptional at doing it as well (almost like it undermines their justification for paying so much more for similar quality). If the history was so important and objective, then the market should speak for itself. From the incoherent clamor of these critics, it does not seem to be about the past, rather the undermining of their own manufactured or indoctrinated perspectives. It's almost as if they would rather this person go back to making replicas instead so that they can continue to have a reason to be angry. (FYI, Ginault has a good warranty and they stand by their product if anything happens to it). That's part of what people pay for and why the secondary market remains strong, not just "some history." Just ask Rolex and how nobody even wanted to wear them until Wilsdorf implemented some branding magic. I don't agree at all with Rolex's amoral, awful and disgraceful business practices or how they treat their customers, but it hasn't stopped me or these virtue and legal signalers (those supporting "amoral" or "unethical" acts because they are not "illegal") from purchasing a submariner. I admire how it looks, I like how it feels and they stand by their products. Ginault being "built in America" is as much as all the Swiss brands claiming to be "Made in Switzerland." Nothing is 100% created in the place they claim as they have "legal" and in this case, "moral" flexibility. Most of the Swiss brands and the components aren't even 80% manufactured in Switzerland which falls within the "legal" parameters for "Made in Switzerland." The "built/made in ..." part for all brands, Ginault included, probably means "assembled." I'm not sure how people expect any new company without "history" to succeed when history is not established overnight. From the opposing perspective, the one logical argument is the fact that Ginault has not done a good job of rectifying the slander or defamation to which they have been subject.

@@Femiforfun good points

There is a false virtue in comments like these that just make me want to buy the Ginault that much more. It’s as if the mere act of buying one is a large middle finger to everything cancel culture represents.

@@Jedi391 Read the last few sentences of what I wrote. I couldn't care less if you buy it. That has no affect on me or my opinions. I'm just speaking for myself and what I choose to spend my money on, and I know many others feel the same way. You may not, and that's totally fine. I'm not trying to "cancel" anything. The world is big enough for all of us. That said, though, if your reason for buying it is to stick a middle finger to some perceived "cancel culture" then maybe you don't appreciate the product as much as you think you do.

the pre-order for it is already on-going, you will have to email them and request to join.

As Nathan W mentioned, you can email Ginault right now to try to get in on the pre-order. Otherwise, the on-sale date for the general public should be some point in the next few months. Hope this helps. -Jon

Not as bad as a Rolex wait list. I hope you pulled the trigger... So worth it!!

Thanks for that, I googled TC up and that dude is a legend, a deity like figure a highly talented watchmaker that created the highest level stuff back in the days, and his Subs are still reveared as the best quality rendition of the 5 digit Sub. If he is behind this company now, that's one hell of an endorsement for top quality work.

@@rolexsubcasewearsbettertha9571 Ha!

@@rolexsubcasewearsbettertha9571 cool way to talk about a criminal.

@@andrei-cosmin.popa85 cool way or not, any part of that statement is false?

If’s what you’re asserting is true, he’s legit now. I’ll buy his watches. I just received my OR2 and it’s masterpiece quality.

Leonard K just say thanks. And if the conversation continues and moves in a direction about the watch then you can talk about it. I don’t think people need to explain themselves to strangers.

The truth is, if you wear ANY diver, people will ask if it is a Rolex, I had someone recently look at my Oris Aquis and say "nice Rolex" Nobody cares but watch geeks

I own the ORII and the quality, fit&finish, accuracy is amazing. The bracelet although not as good as the ones on Rolex Sub but is by far the best I have experienced in microbrands and even to many major Swiss brands. It's funny to be reading this, everything you said about the Ocean Rover are the exact opposite to my personal experience also the experience shared by many others.

Sounds like a personal problem. An NSX isn't as "good" as an Aventador, but it doesn't cost like one, either. What's your point?

There are a lot of things not on Jomashop, even by big brands. What’s your point?

I was interested in one till I started to research. I will buy a Steinhart.

lol, my friend wether the back story is true or not, as an owner of the OR2 I have to ask, how can an alleged replica maker make such a good quality watch at it's pricepoint? Apart from the in house movement, this watch is every bit as good as a submariner.

What a sad person you must be.