"Giovanni TL;DR"

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Voivode Mekhet

Voivode Mekhet

2 жыл бұрын

Greetings Kindred, I've been doing a lot of work in my game with the Hecata and I have always been interested in the expansive history and evolution of the Clan of Death. For being the Clan that represents the unending stasis of death they seem to change more often the rest of the clans.

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@thebestguy1987
@thebestguy1987 2 жыл бұрын
I really like this video. To answer a few thoughts you had, SPOILERS AHEAD, there are definitely some Premascines that are still working within the Hecata. Ambrogino Giovanni is technically a Cappadocian, as he was Embraced by Constancia. There is also Lazarus, who may or may not be the Capuchin. If we're talking about the uneasiness between the Samedi and the Giovanni, there was a point where the Baron Samedi and Augustus personally had a meeting, and they hated each other ever since. Which honestly tells me that the Baron, being a 5th Generation vampire, must be quite the fearsome creature to stand up to either (depending on whether you think the diablerie went through or not) a 3rd or 4th Generation Augustus. There is also Troglodytia, who had the features a lot like a Samedi. It should also be noted that the especially decayed appearance that the Samedi became known for was actually a problem that many Cappadocians began having in the Dark Ages, as the Clanbook Cappadocian has that as a Clan Flaw and mentions that the rotting appearance had happened with a number of Cappadocians. It is also highly implied that the Samedi were Cappadocian Infitiores, vampires that essentially disowned themselves from their Clan and eventually travelled to Haiti and the Caribbean, which is very conveniently where the Samedi appeared.
@andreastremerewaya
@andreastremerewaya 2 жыл бұрын
I love the fact that we have problems to learn how to tax properly or learn for the school stuff...but we are good in learning lore like wod or dnd :D great job man
@VoivodeMekhet
@VoivodeMekhet 2 жыл бұрын
@Thebestguy19~ I'd love to see more on the Premascines. I've always been interested in the reasons why they chose to side with the Giovanni. Not that I could really disagree with the idea of "Dad's gone nuts" that was probably going through their minds when they found out about the Apotheosis. @Ondrej Trecha~ I think if the school systems would actually help kids find a love for what they're learning, like we have for our games, kids might have an easier time latching on to the subjects. I am in no way saying that would be an easy task, Caine knows that those poor under paid heroes in the school system are stuck with miss guided misinformation for the most part and the standard curriculum seems to be set around only what kids "should learn".
@andypickle1584
@andypickle1584 2 жыл бұрын
The tale of Cappadocius finding a traveller camping for the night I found intriguing. He bursts in and finds the Beduin praying for God to protect him. Cappadocius sat and gleaned all the traveller new about God. Then the word went out. Every Cappadocian descended upon the monasteries almost overnight. That the antediluvian became obsessed with the thought of challenging the creator. Through his mastery of mortis, he could separate a portion of his soul and that perhaps his diablerie was orchestrated by Cappadocius himself. Reminds me of the end of that book series you mentioned. The stronger the will of the maybe victim, perhaps there is a contest of wills. Who is to say how much of Brujah is actually Troile, or Augustus is Cappadocius.
@VoivodeMekhet
@VoivodeMekhet 2 жыл бұрын
Very true. Maybe Cappadocius was unable to lean the Giovanni powers of Nigromancy. Maybe he needed to body of Augustus to attain Apotheosis.
@Honk21
@Honk21 2 жыл бұрын
Love it ! I'm about to start the Giovanni Chron. in about 2 weeks for a small group of friends. I've read the first book and have my notes together.
@VoivodeMekhet
@VoivodeMekhet 2 жыл бұрын
Hope you enjoy it!
@michaelblackett8195
@michaelblackett8195 2 жыл бұрын
To my understanding the Lamia largely went into hiding prior to the consumption of Clan Giovanni. Bar the few who did not follow the Cult of Lamia/lilth, who were destroyed, the bloodline remained in shadows. That's according to some of the notes in DA V20.
@VoivodeMekhet
@VoivodeMekhet 2 жыл бұрын
I seriously doubt that the Giovanni got them all but there are other things out there as well. The Lamia were never a really "liked" bloodline. They spread the plague when they fed. I have no doubt a few survived but it must have been difficult.
@stevewinkleburg5300
@stevewinkleburg5300 2 жыл бұрын
I like your theory about the antediluvian blood potency, and the giovani have more branches because their founder has lower blood potency
@thebestguy1987
@thebestguy1987 2 жыл бұрын
Well, one of the reasons why it was just so important for Augustus to originally become a 4th Generation vampire is because he immediately started Embracing his family. So he was Embraced into a Methuselah Generation, and then immediately began Embracing 5th Generation childer. He basically gained the ability to make a small army of very low Generation vampires loyal to him. As far as I know about the branches, a lot of them were started by being Embraced by one of those original Giovani elders. Ambrogino Embraced Baldesar Rossellini. I'm pretty sure Augustus never actually Embraced anyone after killing Cappadocius, whether out of fear of being usurped or possibly the diablerie being incomplete and him still being 4th Generation. He could start his own Clan just by being 4th Gen and Embracing a lot, just like the Nosferatu were started by 1 or 2 4th Gen Methuselahs Embracing a ton of people.
@VoivodeMekhet
@VoivodeMekhet 2 жыл бұрын
@ Steve Winleburg~ It is an interesting theory. @ Thebestguy19~ There's also the fact that Cappadocius could have just had anyone embrace Augustus into the clan but he chose to use his own blood. Personally I think that he was taking a note from the Tremere. He chose to have Japheth and Constantia embrace him with his own vitae. In my opinion it was because the old man new it takes stronger blood to bring mortal sorceries into kindred use. Cappadocius wanted to transfer their human Nigromancy into an updated version of Mortus.
@michaelblackett8195
@michaelblackett8195 2 жыл бұрын
Good coverage of the clan of death history.
@michaelblackett8195
@michaelblackett8195 2 жыл бұрын
Right, Cappadocius sought to apotheosis to consume Him. Giovanni sought to weaken the shroud in an effort to consolidate their power, yet something went awry. The Giovanni Chronicles detail an effort to stop efforts by releasing Cappadocius from his father by the Children of Isaac. Depending on whether they get help of not, having grown into a Spectre, Cappadocius is eventually laid to rest yet not before causing havoc. The Giovanni, at least in Boston are weakened.
@VoivodeMekhet
@VoivodeMekhet 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks. I've always found the clan of death, primarily the Giovanni as an interesting part of Vampire the Masquerade. The first time I ever had the please of playing one was in a Dark Age game where I played a Cappadocian with the 2pt. Merit Giovanni. I was a silk merchant. I actually brought a steam trunk to game filled with rolls of fabric and sold it by the yard, making cloaks and tunics for the other players, lol.
@michaelblackett8195
@michaelblackett8195 2 жыл бұрын
Was really funny playing an honest Giovanni inherited through the 20th century. From distant Irish relative of the Dunsirn who emigrated to the US who is grouped and struggles. Wrongly accused by the Fed's and struggling to maintain humanity, during the chaos facing Maria Giovanni is embraced, only to be a parish out of fear. It all ends with only 2 Children surviving Cappadocius wrath. The Giovanni are shaken, yet remain dominant in Boston.
@Gamerdj1981
@Gamerdj1981 Жыл бұрын
So in my current game I have a Giovanni seeking to rip open a large section of the veil so that they can have a Spirit of death enter through. He believes that he can capture and control this spirit. Once he does he can then use the spirit to protect the clan against the wild and vengeful ghosts and wraiths that escaped Augustus Giovanni’s control. While at the same time secretly influance other members of the clan. He also believes this will get him into the inner circle.
@VoivodeMekhet
@VoivodeMekhet Жыл бұрын
I can't wait to get the rest of Black Sheep up.
@TheHunterD69
@TheHunterD69 2 жыл бұрын
Here's my theory. We know that according to the Demon the Fallen book, when the demons got out, God was gone. I think Cappadocious succeeded partially in his endeavor.
@VoivodeMekhet
@VoivodeMekhet 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting thought.
@Pimpulus
@Pimpulus 2 жыл бұрын
recently discovered your channel, gotta say, excellent videos (content, presentation etc all top). have my subscription good sir! sidenote: i sure as hell have some weird pronounciations of WOD names ive gotten used to and cant shake off, like i´m sure everyone has. so please feel free ignore my need to state that: - giovanni sounds like JOE-vanni, rather than GEE-O-vanni (kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jK-Iq6x_v5iXp4U.html) - tzimisce (no living soul knows how to pronounce that, but) looks like it could be a word in some slavic language, but the TZEE-MEE-ZEE sounds nothing like it. it really should be CHI-MITCH , like JIMMY witch an CH at the end. that way it phonetically could actually be a czeck, romanian, serbian etc lastname.
@VoivodeMekhet
@VoivodeMekhet 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your Sub! I try to answer everyone but sometimes it can take a while. Very happy to have you in our humble coterie. I am more than happy to have the occasional pronunciation conversation. Even watching that video you linked I still hear the "Geo" in Giovanni. It's fast but I still hear it. Some of my favorite videos to watch on KZfaq are the ones that are filmed at Cons where people have trapped old White-Wolf employees or the new WoD group and making them pronounce Tzimisce. It's always fun.
@skyenyx8972
@skyenyx8972 2 жыл бұрын
My guess is essentially that the Camarilla offered a 500-year deal that basically goes one of two ways. If in 500 years the Giovanni are weak and unworthy the interest of the Camarilla, the Camarilla destroys them, and uses it as propaganda, wiping out usurpers and interlopers in Kindred society. If in 500 years the Giovanni are powerful - they're offered a place at the table, and hopefully can't afford the cost of making enemies of the whole Camarilla.
@VoivodeMekhet
@VoivodeMekhet 2 жыл бұрын
That's a good balanced out look.
@skyenyx8972
@skyenyx8972 2 жыл бұрын
​@@VoivodeMekhet Thanks I'm currently running a chronicle where this is kind of the point. previous game fell apart but you starting Black Sheep kind of inspired me to do something Hecata-centric myself. PCs are a group of Hecata in 2027, tasked with negotiating what happens at the end of the Promise. Currently the tone of negotiations has more or less become "We won't destroy your entire clan, if you resurrect several of our prominent elders, (ala what happened with Constansia) commit your finances to Camarilla ventures, and several other requirements that basically boil down to "Join the Camarilla and use your necromancy to give us a huge edge." The PCs are up for it, as they figured the resurrected deceased kindred will probably be Hecata at the point of their revival (if it even works) and so basically see this as tying the Camarilla and the Hecata very deeply. They're all in for that idea.
@Avoloch
@Avoloch 2 жыл бұрын
Would be cool if you writte an adventure for vampire
@VoivodeMekhet
@VoivodeMekhet 2 жыл бұрын
Do you mean a module for VtM?
@daviga1
@daviga1 2 жыл бұрын
@@VoivodeMekhet yes.
@LongfusedbombasticBarbarian
@LongfusedbombasticBarbarian 2 жыл бұрын
I quite liked your summation I feel like you missed a little something by not mentioning their connection with dis pater basically an aspect of Hades Plutarch because I always particularly like Pagan blood lines of vamps whatever you want to say about the Giovanni because they are basically like The Borgias ironically many of them because of strong belief are Catholic now Dis pater probably hides in a few Saint Peter icons but that's for the necromantic ritual part their black version of mass basically I feel like that big spook Dis Pater is a minor aspect of Hades particularly good at finding gold and wealth because Pluto was strangely more of an earth aspected deity
@VoivodeMekhet
@VoivodeMekhet 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks you! I completely forgot to mention that. I kind of just brushed over their religious practices in ancient Rome. They were prolific worshipers of Pluto in Rome when they were human. That and the Greek Thanatos who, where Pluto is the god of the dead, Thanatos is the God of Death itself.
@LongfusedbombasticBarbarian
@LongfusedbombasticBarbarian 2 жыл бұрын
@@VoivodeMekhet Thanatos the one walking abroad because Hades is technically a king he can't go out reaping every soul this beautiful angel became interlinked with our weird visions of the grim reaper even though that was partly Kronos as father time he even had a adamantine sickle I'm not as big of an expert in Greek mythology as I am in the Norse but I do find the details fascinating I imagine Hades was trying to keep the entire realm of death together so Thanatos was doing most of the heavy lifting and it came to taking care of mortal souls
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