Link gamefromscratch.com/github-copilot-released/

I've been using it since November 2021, it's useful but I wouldn't pay for it. Sometimes it saves you a lot of time but other times it's harder to detect the Copilot errors than writing the code from scratch 😅

We've used that in beta since January... we called it the "excited intern", as its the quality of an excited intern first day as a developper :)

If it was free and more open about what they do with it, I would be fine with it. But to pay monthly for something that will be a telemetry privacy nightmare? No thank you. I just know that someday soon, Microsoft will make an "Oops" press release about how it turns out that the CoPilot telemetry uploaded your entire project's codebase for "training purposes". You can either charge for it, and use that money to make sure it's trained only on permissive license code and have little to no telemetry. Or you can make it free with telemetry and train it on "everything". Not both. Absolutely not both you greedy, greedy people.

I used to be slightly scared of Copilot and what it would mean for the future of programming, but after using it for a while, i see it as nothing more than a good tool. I wouldn't say Copilot is a must have (at least not yet) since it really depends on what you code: I've found it useful when using API's and Libraries as it is ridiculously good at understanding them and what they do. I made a python project with the Spotify API sending and receiving JSON data, and as i was typing the name of functions like "make_new_playlist()", Copilot kicked in and filled in the rest of the code, while teaching me how to use the API in the process. For these cases, it can be very useful. I could see Copilot being good for game development (though i have not tried yet) since you could describe a function you wouldn't know how to implement, and see / test if the code it generated is what you wanted, thereby learning the engine as you go, rather than googling and reading documentation for hours. It is also very good at making data structures (at least in C). You can start typing out a struct, and a definition for each function you want for that data structure and it will pretty much make the whole thing for you. Just describing what i want one function at a time, you can code a C linked-list in 2 minutes. However, actual programming knowledge is needed to make good use out of this as copilot did not always free unused memory (this would lead to memory leaks). When it comes to range of programming languages, it pretty much understands and works well in most, but not all programming languages. I've not gotten HTML nor LaTeX to work, but it kind of makes sense since these are markup languages, not procedural programming languages. As of today, i don't use copilot much. You can choose to turn it off for certain languages, and I've found myself turning of copilot for most of my most used programming languages as i found it constantly trying to fill in parts of code i wanted to do myself, but there are probably settings to make it less intrusive, but i haven't felt the itch to turn it on again. TL;DR : Very good tool which shines the brightest when you are working with projects, languages and functions outside your comfort zone, can be intrusive when working on projects you feel you have more control over, NOT a must have (yet).

In two more generations of this type of work, we'll be seeing this as a must have.

Go is far from being unpopular and only used at Google, it's a lot of my day job and since most popular devops tools (Docker/Kubernetes/Helm/Grafana/Prometheus/Rancher/Traefik/CoreDNS/etc) are all in Go, it keeps proliferating in devops with no sign of stopping. Lots of companies I follow have Golang backends, including big Google rivals like Cloudflare and Twitch. For the "copied GPL code", they added a filter you can turn on to prevent it from pasting public code (assuming the filter is good enough to catch it). If you only let Copilot work as a smarter autocomplete it's actually incredibly nice. Anything past 3/4 lines of code is asking for trouble (especially since it starts writing code with issues hard to catch at a glimpse). I've enjoyed it using it during the closed beta but 10$/mo while not really adressing the issues brought up since the original announcement (which means I still cannot even ask my workplace to let me use it at work, which is where my money comes from) leaves a bad taste in my mouth and I stopped using it after yesterday.

I am not surprised that microsoft is willing to ignore copyright when it suits them...

I've found it of limited use but then I've been coding since 1986. The MS legal department is larger than your suspicions, that's tied down. Takedowns will be like DMCA - report a problem and it's removed. I also disagree with your assertion that the training set will fall foul of bad actors. They will already be filtering and training on a subset. I agree that it's the future. I remember people losing their minds over intellisense in a similar way - especially over lower level languages suggesting a function for which there was a better way. Intellisense is now a standard and I think copilot-like tools will be that too. The end goal is conversational programming where the code isn't important but the way the business problem is described is.

I've been using it since last year, have to say very impressive and very useful if you're doing repetitive stuff, it is really good of filling in the obvious blanks. Despite not liking the pricing very much I believe I'll keep purchasing it after my trial expires in September.

Wasn't there a claw within the ToS that GitHub is allowed to use open source projects regarding of its license to improve its platform? This includes copilot as it is a GitHub product.

They kept the code! Telemetry says this is the answer!!! So, basically the users who are paying to use are actually developers of the product. 🤔

Part of the telemetry can be disabled when you sign up, specifically using your own code to improve copilot.

i am very happy that you seem to have slowed down your talking speed be ~5% :). this is absolutely unironic, i think this video is at the perfect talking speed. And i like to see this channel diving into general IT a little and not only gamedev and assets.

The product is not copilot itself, but the hundreds of thousands of coders who will train copilot to become a better coder by using it.

Copilot shows up in a completion menu in Neovim (Lunarvim with plugins) and I find this implementation to be a lot better than having the initial suggestion show up in greyed out text in front of the cursor. It works out of the way of my coding but is available to give me mostly useful suggestions or ideas. Especially when I blank out

So that's why Microsoft bought GitHub. Also that's why I never used it with my personal work, unless in a team environment that required it.

I usually work solving project issues, no matter what language I need, so Javascript, C#, PHP, Python, Java, whatever is needed is ok. I've been using Copilot for few months now and it has been extremely helpful, specially if I have to start a project from scratch and I have to solve very specific language needs. But when the project grows, I seldom use it. So specifically in my case, I don't use it often, and I think is cheap is you intend to use ONE tool, and expensive considering the extensive amount I'm currently using and also there are a lot alternatives tools are out there.

You can also continue using Copilot for 2 months if you participated in the technical preview.

Got a feeling this is sort of the equivalent of an automated copy and paste from stack overflow solutions. A lot of the times it will be just fine, but when you need to understand the details of whats going on it'll create problems for you. I've seen enough code generated by junior devs to feel pretty unsure if I would like to release them on something like this. It'll probably allow you to run real fast in the begining but as your solution need to support growing complexity and amount of data this approach will come back to bite you in the ass. On the other hand though I might be wrong, it will be interesting to see where this ends up.

I have been using copilot a little for a few months and it did save me some googling at times but I found myself turning it off becuase it is pretty intrusive at times.

how to apply for students version?

What's the theme you are using?

Well, I tried it for some time with C#. Although sometimes its code completions are valid I can't get rid of the feeling that it is just like "singing a song without understanding what it is about". It doesn't understand the context in most situations, and sometimes it gives the code from PHP/Python/etc in my C# projects. I don't think it is worth 10$ per month. Also, I don't think it can be used on projects under NDA. As I understand, it will send my file/class to google for analysis in order to give me a code completion based on the context

I have been using it for a long time and I signed up for the subscription, because I learned how to take advantage of copilot, but if you don't know how to take advantage of it it could be annoying. If you just test it in an empty project, it will copy code from other places, but if you have a big project it knows how your project is, what tools is using and even understand your own helper functions and make use of it.

Whether we like it or not, one way or another, this kind of project is the future of programming

Something similar can also be done locally using GPT-J if you got a beefy NVidia card; I haven't used it much, but it does seem to at least produce results in the right ballpark in the few times I tried.

What are your opinions on tabnine?

In terms of languages, it depends on the languages stored in github, so naturally python will have the most co-pilot entries, while PowerShell will have a ton less. Still works with PowerShell.

Will it work with unreal engine?

I'm dealing with a few academic misconduct cases at the moment, and up to now I've found mistakes to be something of a Turing test for cheating. They either mark out the code as being the work of a beginner (therefore not cheating) or they show that the code was multi-author (and the mistakes were introduced by the student who didn't know how to code and couldn't understand the code he was working from). I could see a GPT-style code-from-text as being a problem, but I think right now a near-beginner student isn't going to be able to do anything with this, because their code won't give enough information to the AI, and they won't be able to evaluate whether the output code is correct. I'm not concerned that it will make cheating harder to detect in the short term, as the students who use it are going to be pretty obvious. Daft for them to give it free to students, though. That said, there's a huge problem that it's getting harder and harder to get students to walk through the basics of computer programming, as it's so easy to take shortcuts. It's leaving a whole layer of "magic" in computing. I think we're probably going to see a significant shrinkage in the field of computer science in favour of programming and software dev courses, because that's the only area you can really get most of the students to do.

I have been working with it for about 5-6 month with mostly C# and Unity and legal issues aside it's amazing. It does not replace knowing how to program or knowing what you're doing in general but it makes me FAST. The code I am producing with it is usually cleaner since I use more comments and the thing is not lazy so it does things the proper way if that fits the style of the document. It tries to guess what realistically will come next given the code that is above. So if your code is shit, it will realistically guess that your code continues shitty. You can use this however in cool ways like writing a method and then writing a comment saying "//optimized allocation free version of the above method" And it usually does a pretty good job of making a version that does the same but better. I went into this thinking: "it's fun but I would not be paying for this". But I totally would now. I hope they figure out the legal and other issues out. I think this is very much the future since it basically is a junior programmer for 10$ a month.

It works with c# as well, I used it a little in early access. It's good at vanilla, high-use cases. It does not have an understanding of unique code. I feel like what these AIs need is a LARGE menu of templates. If the programmer was given a diverse set of options for high level organization, not only would this prompt faster dev times, it would also result in more prototypical code, making it easier for the AI to adjust the code as the programmer customizes elements within the template. This is because when using a custom high-level approach, the AI has fewer landmarks to tell what a new method or subclass or field might have to do with the unfamiliar structure it is entered in. Template programming makes a lot of sense anyways in my opinion. If everything looks the same throughout a large code body, it can be easier to manage for us humans as well.

You should look into ninetab, it's similar but doesn't seem to be as bad

It even works with GLSL! Been using it to help me write GPU shaders.

How is this CoPilot know to not pass along let us say password and such? Sometimes when building server related functions I would sometimes write SQL queries in C# and just scaffold the function with a SQL server connection data (IP address, username, password etc.). If CoPilot is passing this along to others then it have F*#ked up. Okay I know one shouldn't write password directly into the code but sometimes its just faster while building it.

I've used it for a while, it's nice to have, but $100 is a bit expensive for the little it has done for me (I mainly used it to write descriptive comments for me, since I couldn't be bothered to explain what my code does XD)

I've been using it since it came out, I'm still finishing my college and man.... you sure can drop a SQL query activity comented in there and it will get at least 80% of it right, specially after your correct it in the first 2 or 3 questions. It is incredibly strong

Go is actually amazing for creating backends. So I get why it's there. Will refuse using copilot though. I will not pay for a product and give a company more training data to some day replace my job lol

I've used GitHub copilot since day one, and to be honest I am incredibly dependent on it now. Not because I'm a lazy programmer but instead speeds up my coding time significantly, I'd even say doubling it.

Visual studio 2022 code assistant is amazing. Sometimes it will generate a full method and all I have to do is hit tab to code.

3:32 At least for me there was a smalllink underneth the option to skip setting up payment until later so I didn't had to sign up for a year.

I feel like this could be a perfect vector for exploits

waiting for Mental Outlaw commentary about this topic

Hmmmmm… from my knowledge on how language models work what it generates can’t be thought of as plagiarism. How close to the code examples does copilot actually replicate? Code more so than spoken language are bound by stricter rules so code looking like other code is more possible. But how many examples of copied code exist?

I need a faster version of the quadratic equation to optimize ray tracing code ... 🖐️😏 I'll give it a try in the future...

Funny enough the most useful feature of co-pilot is more its contextual learning of your code. It pretty much learns your code base and all its suggestions are contextually correct. Can really speed up your productivity if you are writing a lot of things that are similar, but not similar enough that you would be just extracting the functionality and reusing it etc Like a super simple example, is lets say you are setting up database and you normally always have some columns that are kind of unique to your project, but are not some 'common' thing you would find in every github repo etc, it normally auto fills them in with the correct context. Its also insanely good at writing error messages. It just looks at your code and produces the correct error. Lets say you have something like " if website.setup != true', it will auto produce however your errors are handled in your application, and the error message will be along the lines of "The website is not setup".

I'm not mad at it. Has anyone used it for unity development?

It's not smart in any way but it make development faster at least with python and javascript, there are things I know to do but don't remember all the syntax and don't want to Google them. If you are developing like a website it's certainly useful tool but for something that requires you to think and use too munch logic, if you depend on copilot it will lead you to a wrong direction for sure

Go lang is pretty popular among system admins that can program or people who want to program low resource and mem programs fast without the complexity that any of the c based languages bring and or the insecure and resource heavyness that scripting or non compiled languages bring . So i can understand why go lang is in there . languages . Not great for GUIs that are not web based or terminal based but pretty good if yoi care about server management.

I used it for my programming courses, mainly out of laziness, especially when it came to write tests, which often were very repetitive, and I needed to change only a few things, but now I'm on the edge in whether to use it (student), or ignore it completely, and go the much better way of writing my code myself (i.e, rewriting code Ifind online :-) )

If you have GitHub student pack, you get this for free. I'm trying it out as I don't have anything commercial that I am worried about telemetry wise. And disabling the few things I can to improve privacy and avoid problematic code. Not sure if it will stick around for me.

You can actually start the trial without a payment plan.

Oh, I've already seen copilot getting used by students in practical coding sessions at my school. I am very doubtful that it will have a positive impact on the learning process.

I do use copilot for school, it doesn't feel like cheating as I still need to understand, read and write my own code, however if I don't know something, copilot is faster than Google.

One day, video games are going to be able to make themselves.

in near future code will write us

To be honest, I would not pay just for the copilot. However , if Microsoft create someting like "Dev Pass" which contains Copilot with other products like codespaces or azure , i can think to pay with a logical price.

It works with Lua too. It is epic.

Why does him saying "Boom" gets me every damn time bruh

Happy to be a student

I must admit I'm really annoyed that it's a paid product. I have been using the beta and had no idea it was going to turn into a paid service. The fact that they trawled open source code to train the models is a fuckery.

1:16 I might be rusted in my sql but isn't `select foo, count(foo)... ` always invalid? You're aggregating a value _and_ returning it.

I have been using copilot for the past month, honestly, it was a useful tool to be more productive. Actually, I don't depend on suggestions, but repetitive code generations save a lot of time. However, I'm not sure I'm going to pay )

So, I've just been starting to use it in earnest today, and it's.. Unbelievable. Like.. What it picks up from the context of a single file is absolutely astounding. It predicted the what I was going to write, dead on. This is so freaking nice. What it's really going to do is help with those syntax questions that you'd go have to Google to try and find something that works, because you can't quite remember how you're supposed to do something or whatever. It's not like you can really write a whole program like this, in that, you still have to know what you are doing, it won't make software architecture or design obsolete, those things are just to broad and nuanced to be taken over by an ai, because it's really getting into philosophy of information control and all that. But for the particulars and drudgery of implementation details, yeah, this is badass.

No, it's not a mistake. CoPilot is impressive at first glance. But lacks in many ways. No need to be scared or something. Also, AI future. Like it or not.

It is a great tool and I am happy is out. The code is coming just from open code and it is not bervetum as you said. Like any tool you can use it to come up with exactly the same code as a licensed code, insecure code or malicious code but you are the one responsible since it only suggest code.

Like immediately for the sense of humour. Even though I'm absolutely not bothered by discussed question and, hope, won't

so what you're saying is I can take leaked Torrented M$ code, use ONLY that as a training set and make my own Ai copilot. That will you know help me make some competition to M$ products. oh look me any my Ai coded up public domain Azure, oh look now MS owns blizzard looks like have a public domain open source WOW, oh look my own public domain open source win7, no need to upgrade all the bad stuff taken out, MS office too we will just public domain it and copy some of the compatibility for open office. yeah M$ let's go down this path.

Imagine this using code from stackoverflow...

I could see something like this reducing the numbers of software engineering hours from a business perspective. But it will never replace a human developer. Take the hypothetical example of an AI creating music. Its able to comb through all the music humanity has created, but it will never understand what makes good music sound good. But a human musician might be able to use the tool to create certain parts of a melody or rhythm and tweak them so they actually sound good. The AI created sounds would then allow the musician to develop say an entire album faster then it would be if this musician had created everything by hand and from scratch. I see this being true for programming in say 10-20 years after technology like this has matured. In building a software package, you would use the AI to tackle problems that have been solved before, things like GUIs for example, webpage layouts etc, leaving the human developer to focus on the core of the application. Even if the AI wrote 15-30 percent of the sourcecode itself, that would be a huge timesaver and probably worth the investment.

And if they start looking at code that are from private repository, ie Unreal Engine. Oh boy, that would be a huge problem. breaking IP laws, privacy violations and snooping on their users.

you've got a strong believe in humanity ^_^

I use it mainly to design html pages I describe what I want in a comment sometimes it works.

The other issue I have is, some one else making money from someone else's code without compensating them. Like all mobile stores. Instead of charging for the storing, charging for internal transactions. Unless the authorities regulate this issue it will keep happening. For instance apple charges developers a yearly subscription. If they are charging that then they shouldn't have the right to further charges. If they are not charging that they should only charge for direct purchases and ensure there is no free software in the system. And not charge on the in app purchases. and should be less than a certain threshold not 30%. This means they are profiting from others work. Even google. Steam etc. I guess this is CAPITALISM in a nut shell. If everybody takes a cut from the top of the service , stores, third party vendors, service providers, governments, then the vendor has to up the sales price to ensure profit which means the customer has to dole out more cash. I don't know ..., seems to be vicious cycle. Just saying.

I'm old enough to remember when 4GL was going to replace programmers, then it was modelling tools and now it's AI. I'm not worried.

I used it for a year. It was fun and actually helped learn stuff. But now that it's become a product, I guess it is back to the old ways

a thought experiment: an AI is let loose on 100,000 copyrighted cat photos and it learns to generate cat pics. Most of these ML methods CANNOT tell you which of the original cat photos influenced the generated one. So is the AI generating a derivative work of 100,000 copyrighted cat photos? The photo is 100% unique after all, much like a painter painting a canvas. If the AI is found guilty of copyright infringement, couldn't a hypothetical painter exist who, in their entire life, has only seen the same 100,00 cat photos, and could the painter be accused of the same copyright infringement as the AI?

I think I should try copilot to write my own copilot eh eh

Many devops tools are written in Go, to say it's "only strongly used at Google" (3:07) is an incredibly unresearched statement.

Can't hate on CoPilot. I can smack down 8 hours worth of work in a few hours and chill. This tool in the hands of decent developer's is to me a game changer for smaller companies like the one I work with.

I use it until I have discover it suggesting my own code :)) So it is out. Not because I don't want to share but because I see it like a keylogger. Maybe I am wrong. I hope I am. Maybe some security super smart brain will have a look on it in the future.

I turned off snippets generation in vs2022 I definitely do not want this. Intellesence is as far as I want the IDE to go when assisting me with code

Where do you get you Go intel? wtf

Its not really AI is it? looks like pre programmed macros

It feels like an extra step. Why would I pay for that?

Yeah, they blew it with telemetry. No go!

I use copilot for a year now. And it’s super helpful - when you are a software engineer concerned about architecture, state flow and test ability. If your job is to convert written requirements into syntax: yup, you’re job is hopefully obsolete soon so engineers like me can work even faster 😬

Oh y’all thought trashy no code reskins, were bad…. Just wait.

Just wait until it starts to code a new blockchain currency/coin/token/whatever. CryptoAI

Microsoft has ALWAYS tried to monetize developers, and now their strategy is: "Pay us to train your future replacement"

But Microsoft owns Id Software, so technically they are the copyright holders of Quake's source code.

Honestly I'd love to see this producing a legal challenge in regards to things like the GPL version 3. That POS license literally makes a ton of code completely unusable because of the absolute carry-forward requirements. If this can produce code that that does the same function without copying the code itself itself it basically makes a lot of licensing irrelevant using the current legal standards.

just uninstalled it today, not paying $10 for something that gives me almost no usefullness

Personally I Use Visual Scripting To Create My Games So This Isn't Anything I Much Care For. Let Me Know When AI Assisted Animation Reaches The Point Where You Can Turn A Stickman Battle In To Demon Slayer Then You'll Have My Complete and Undivided Attention.

Really don't understand the whole fuss around it. I see no difference between Copilot suggesting code or me searching for it and finding the same snippet / logic by myself. Been using it for at least 7 months now and it's been a blessing. It frees me from writing boilerplate which gives me more time to think. Also very useful when brainstorming.

so if I tell it I want 3D API it will go and read Unreal repositories and clone that :)

If it were actually good, they would charge a lot more than $10 per month for it. So it's probably not very good, which means it's not worth paying for.

9:23 luck for me my code is complete garbage hehe

Of course they emphasize Go! Since its used heavily by Google engineers, Microsoft would love for Google employees to be sending them Google code through Co-pilot.