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Aaron Ra didn’t get the memo about being respectful with the debate with cliffe 😂😂😂

This video is far more superior than debate. This is conversation.

​@@Conservative_East🎉 yes, 2024.... less than a day....

Would you respect anyone claiming leprechauns exist, or that unicorns exist, would you respect anyone or any organisation that claimed what they and no one else could prove. So tell me why one should respect any religion or apologetics of any religion.

He is questioning his indoctrination, and I'll equipped to do so, unable to decipher what he can accept as true and what not, from all he has been indoctrinated to believe in and all he has been told . Surely though he should be aware no one can prove square circles exist, anymore than anyone can prove or disprove any such thing as gods exist, and why is it that he even thinks it's something to argue over when every arguement by any attempting to argue gods into existence has failed.

Sure

I honestly wish I would have been like him when I was an atheist . I was a little more rebellious and argumentative. Luckily God humbled me and called me to him

@@Allyourbase1990 your just another liar for jesus, claiming to have been an atheist, when you don't know what an atheist is or even why.

@@Allyourbase1990stop

That man is also humble, and I always believe that 'humility' is a way to reason and mutual understanding between people in conversations which I can definitely see in this vid. God. bless this man🙏.

Amen. To him being saved by Jesus Christ.

Amen and amen

never judge a book by its cover

Amen

Hey, just want to say be careful. You don't have authority to say he IS a future believer. Love the respect!

Slap the sin out of them

Jesus spoke and taught with authority, but we aren't Jesus. When in doubt remember he died for US, that includes imperfect Christian and the unbeliever.

​@@dogelife7901Jesus died and rose again which extended a free gift of salvation, it's up to people to accept it and live as righteous as possible. I wouldn't say Jesus died for nonbelievers, because they aren't taking what he died for. I tell you this so you don't get the gospel and the saving grace confused

I would love to see a 2 hour conversation of these guys

@@hummervs3278 I would love to see Cliffe answer a question without using scripture.

Watch more of his videos- be does fairly often. But the stuff in the beginning about free will, and love- none of that is scripture. He then mentions how it is shown in scripture but those are his views and explanations. Other folks that agree with most everything he says totally disagree about free will. They stick to predestination at a viewpoint that God chooses the people that will be saved and he is not trying to save the majority of people that will go to hell. Like God had no intention for them ever to do anything but that- like how you would intend to buy some wood to carve a beautiful piece of art and another as fire wood. So neither view is 100% written exactly in scripture- but predestination is spoken about, just interpreted differently. I just really enjoyed the different view points being peacefully and thoughtfully discussed. Best to ya.

@@hummervs3278 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? Rom9:21 I attend a Presbyterian church and predestination is their viewpoint. I am for the free will part myself and really dislike the 'once saved always saved' mantra. I am fully behind belief in Christ dying for my sins and resurrection, BUT we must also take James' words of 'faith without works is dead'. I am not trying to crucify Jesus again. Just looking to honour His sacrifice. Most churches these days will not even reach out to community that they are situated. I find that they have cherry picked the verses that suit their own comfort. Can I ask your viewpoint?

I am still in the hunt. I see both sides of it and have yet to find a solution that is clear cut. My milk glass is empty, looking for some steak- as it were. So, i was just pointing out another option that is there.

If God suffered then he would intervene and not just leave us in this mess and say it's because of free will. He wouldn't had created hell that people end up in for eternity.

@CarlosBigC16 Can you share the resources that you used to find your answers?

@@ramonalup4296 I opened my heart and asked God to reveal himself to me, I joined a church, and I started reading the Bible

Hopefully hippie dude knows better!

Did your imaginary friend state that to you Barbara?

Barbara is a man?

Barbara- On point. Disregard the trolls here that can’t understand the generic use of terminology such as “men” referring to all mankind. Pearls not casted...

Probably because he's not real.

@@andymaciver1760 How do you know that? Just curious. 🤔

hey man, I just want you to know that to this day I believe Cliffe has preached at colllege campuses as recently as last year

he seemed to be surrounded by tons of doubters and persecutors but never escorted off the campus

He would be laughed out and pelted with rotten tomatoes in any modern 1st world educated nation that would show up his use of sophistry, unevidenced claims and shit for brains explanations.

@@agnosyidk7170 he is surround by people that have been indoctrinated in the beliefs of their culture, most that have lived their whole lives in A bubble, the only thing that can be said of some of them is they are at least attempting to seek answers to their questions, for sure he would never put out any video that had a knowledgeable person able to destroy his absurd claims that showed him up to be the purposely, malicious, mendacious cretin he is in them, these videos of his have the sole purpose of retaining the ignorant, indoctrinated believers, not converting any educated sane non indoctrinated persons.

@@derekardito2032😘

Your emojis, the Lion and the lamb of Judah? No cross? ✝️

@@OwenNovakChildofGod Yes, the Lamb of God and the Lion of Judah... My old phone didn't have the cross emoji.

@@GraftedOliveBranchwe are the new Israel brother

@@deacon6221 Amen, praise Yeshua. God bless you.

@@deacon6221Real

Good summary, and a long list of serious contradictions in biblical theology which will probably never be satisfactorily answered.

@@dfjprnot contradictions. It’s the Bible read out of context. A lot of times the Bible is read, someone finds something “contradictory” then stops their study. But the Bible is connected as a whole. Books are connected as a whole. There aren’t any chapters that was introduced as an easier read later but when we just believe whatever we hear without going to God in the Word then we will be led astray.

Thanks. Will come in handy

😄🦖 Cliff, uh, finds a way

I was thinking Bane from the matrix. 😂

I was thinking Adam Goldberg from Dazed and Confused 😂

Sometimes I’m think, wow they are really choosing to stay there whether they are considering what he is saying or are upset or challenging it, they still choose to stay and listen. I wonder if hearing an answer they didn’t like will turn them off , but who knows if that could encourage them to look for the answer.

You believe they rehearse this conversation in their minds and think about it? Yeah, sure. They don't. Most will forget it.

*SUFFER FOR US*

@@docbainl9504Amen🙏 he suffered for us in the flesh so we may have eternal life

That's for sure! Lol God bless you too

Idiots normally are patient.

@@unionjackjohn Cliffe is nuts.

No, Cliffe is an idiot. And you folks buy in to this craziness.

Amazing, you responded to my other comment with respect. Now I se these and realize you aren’t respectful. Interesting that Einstein, Newton, Hawkins, etc had no patience in your opinion. I however am not intelligent enough to continue responding to you - so if you choose to respond to this, I hope you are intelligent enough to realize I will waste no more time on you. Best of luck to ya.

Thanks Cliffe for making a fool of yourself on KZfaq. I enjoy being entertained.

Its great how humble he is and take questions from anyone. We can all learn a lot about respectful discourse from him.

All these questions assume a god even exists. Need to approach this by asking for evidence first. That is the REAL question.

@@mikehawk4714 Cliff always points out the evidence for his faith, however, atheists choose to not accept either the eyewitness or manuscript evidence.

@@brotherderek Eye witness manuscripts?

@@mikehawk4714 No. Those are two separate things. The credibility of the eyewitnesses and the manuscripts.

Are you referring to the children being killed as well? Im still kinda confused about that part. My understanding was that the kids who were brought up by the evil society will likely become evil themselves because of proximity so therefore they are allowed to be killed too. Is that correct?

@@JoeMama-sd2kl No it isn't correct.

@@mackdmara can you elaborate on that more?

@@JoeMama-sd2kl 1) I don't know the outcome by the presets. Your premise isn't pertinent to the question about the kids future. 2) If kids are killed in the destruction of an evil society it is sad, but not beyond reason in war. Innocents die in every war. That includes kids. 3) Given an innocent is killed while you destroy evil, unless that was your intent, not a biproduct, it wouldn't be a moral issue. The most moral solution was taken. Of course, this isn't a cut & dry case. If you over simply any of my answers or don't read them charitably, then you can make it sound immoral. It wouldn't logically be do though. Ex) If an evil society had a bomb that will destroy the world & put their own children around it to stop you from destroying their ability to use said bomb, which you have reason to think they will use, you are justified in those children dieing. It isn't the right answer, but rather the least wrong one. It is less wrong to stop this plan to destroy creation at the cost of those kids lives, given you knew that choice must be made. Those kids were dead in both choices, in this one everyone else lives. Killing the kids of these evil people is the better choice. *What situation are you specifically asking about?* If it was just this Philosophical moral question, since you gave a nebulous set of criteria, those answers should be right. Do the lesser evil & the greater good. Of course, I don't know if you could know that without an objective moral set & a reasonable guide to application. You need God to know if you are doing the moral thing. Otherwise, it is your guess based on personal preference & that isn't a real moral. *If there is no Objective Good, you cannot approach it, nor define Evil objectively.*

So you are also gullible?

@@mikehawk4714 ... Message me when modern technology advances enough for you Atheists to recreate Abiogenesis ✌️

@@4LoveAndJustice That's your response? LMAO

@@4LoveAndJustice First let's see a theist re create it. Not a god, a theist.

@@mikehawk4714 ... Message me when modern technology advances enough for you Atheists to recreate Abiogenesis ✌️

wrong. Light is infinite. You can't shine darkness into Light. Darkness is the absence/denial of this.

@@benwtf5539 interesting perspective and I must agree, in the same sense that there is no such thing as cold only a lack of heat. Although I feel comparing light to morality such as torture for example, is unfair because light is tangible and ‘good’ is completely abstract unless it is positioned to God

​@@benwtf5539Stars cannot shine without darkness.Embrace both the light and the dark...It makes sense why we have emotions to know empathy

I appreciate the young mans questions about fairness and when he brings up a child dying. I am that parent. For a while despite my faith - I was angry. However, my anger is gone and I thank God everyday for the 2 1/2 years I had with my son. I don’t ask why anymore….I now look at it as he is fulfilling his purpose that he was created for. As parents after losing our son - our perspectives on life has done a complete flip. Family comes first. Money means nothing nor does it bring happiness. My son in his short 2 1/2 years taught me more about life and love than I had learned in 36 years. He taught us how our priorities were messed up. I believe my son was born for greater purposes this life here on Earth could possibly give him. I know he is fighting the battles right now we do not see. I could never deny him that. I will forever be grateful for his life. And in his death - it essentially gave me life. As we went through brain cancer with him - the book of Job was always forefront in my mind.

I like this explanation

Are you forgetting about tribes that have no knowledge of the Bible or Christ?

Jesus is lost.

@@mikehawk4714 man His victory has already been won I pray that one day you find Jesus for yourself and celebrate with Him and glorify Him

@@michealbradley2018 Where is he hiding?

@@michealbradley2018 His victory has already been won?

Takes a long drag off the cig....you wouldn't understand.

Jerod Durnal There are two things you need to do... The first thing is repent and not only repent, but turn from your sins... The second is put your trust in Jesus...instead of trusting your own goodness to take you to Heaven, transfer that trust into Jesus... put Him on and trust in Him like you trust in a parachute... The Bible says "If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. " - Romans 9:10

Paulie is correct. Look up Cliffe’s church and call him. I am sure they will get back to you and help. He makes So many videos over so many years that they don’t follow in comments.

Oh yeah, and to Paulie- Well said. Ya sound like you like a guy named Ray that many take Comfort in watching online! Haha. See ya in heaven.✝️

i know this is incredibly late, but may i offer a different perspective. yes, repentance and faith are parts of salvation, most all christian agree on that point. however, there is more to the story. on the day of pentecost, in the book of Acts, chapter 2. god has poured out his own spirit that he had promised, the comforter to the disciples. and after that, lots of people came to see what was going on, who were jews. and peter preached to them. and once they were convicted that they had killed the messiah, they were really distraught. and they said, “what should we do?” in other words, after they realized that they killed god in the flesh, they were probably really scared. and they wanted to “get right with God.” get saved. and peter gave them a very easy answer. Repent, be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, and receive the Holy Ghost. all other means of being saved line up with that. that day was the birth of the church, and all these letters were written to churches who understood this salvation message. a good book for further study is “The New Birth” by David K Bernard. contact me with questions!

***** Hi Mike, don't you think that mankind could have evolved their morality over a very long period ,we arose from an early form of man which realised the potential of working together as a group, there were great benefits to be had from collective hunting for example ( I am going back maybe 100,000 years or more now to early cavemen). We are social creatures who essentially work better in groups, over time, we have honed our skills and developed our morality for the good of the group, even to the point whereby we care for those who are ill or sick. We see similar behaviour in other animals. That's how I see it anyhoo.

bonnie43uk If you truly take that stance that our morality evolved, then you can't truly say what Hitler did was objectively wrong? right? If mankind just evolved and happen to choose the best outcome of morality for the benefit of mankind... and someone in the group (Hitler) wants to go against the norm and kill people for his own beliefs, how then is that objectively morally wrong? Its not by your worldview. But the fact remains that everyone, every human (unless you're a psychopath) knows in their heart that killing people simply for being of different race/color is objectively wrong. Hence being proof that objective moral values do exist. This is one example. Other examples are killing loved ones for fun, killing babies for sport, rape, etc. Everyone one knows these are objectively wrong. Where does this objective moral standard come from? I think you know.

bonnie43uk You deem homosexuality perfectly acceptable? sure...but do you think its perfectly normal for a man to have sex with another man?... serious question. Not whether you can tolerate or accept it, but do you feel in your heart that it is humanly natural for a man to have sex with another man?

Fine, we fundamentally disagree on that issue. Regarding your point about objective morals being objective because its what we come to know. Wrong, you're touching on moral epistemology (how we come to know what is right or wrong), I'm speaking on moral ontology (what is the basis for something being good or evil?). Just because you believe homosexuality is natural, doesn't mean its objectively natural. Just because we know Hitler was wrong, doesn't mean it was objectively wrong. It was objectively morally wrong because of a standard that was set within all human beings. We know it it. If I had time and cared enough, I'd continue my discussion with you on the homosexual topic and argue that you truly know its wrong, you just have come to accept it. Regarding your point about whether or not God was right/wrong about commanding people to be killed, slaughtered, etc. Obviously if God is "real" and is the creator all life/humans/universe, he obviously have a reason for what he did. Also, if you take that portion of the bible to be true (do you?) then you must take the reason for Jesus existence as true (do you?) - I doubt. You can't argue Leviticus and then deny the New Testament. You have to accept it all. Which is it?

***** Hi Mike, as far as I can ascertain there is very little historical evidence for Moses being a real character, there is zero evidence that he led the Israelites into Egypt for 40 years. Certainly if he did exist. I do not believe he interacted with God ( I don't believe God exists). There may well have been some charismatic leader of that name, but certainly I don't believe he had any supernatural dealings with God. Of course, if I read Christian or Islamic literature they will say he existed. There are probably tiny nuggets of truth here and there regarding certain battles that did occur, but overall, I think he's more legend and myth than real, or if real, then history has turned him into something he wasn't. I regard Jesus in the same vein, I don't believe he existed, certainly not in the guise of The son of God, who came down to earth, born of a virgin, performing lots of miracles, dying on the cross, then coming back to life after 3 days and rising into heaven. If you take away the Gospel accounts, there is practically nothing written about this man from non biblical sources around the time. I think we've spoken about this before Mike. You are free to believe it, but I remain very sceptical. I do understand that to say Jesus is a myth is very much going against the grain, but I have yet to see any convincing evidence of his existence. The Gospels are written in the form of a story more than a historical account, and they don't seem to match up, whilst other parts look as if they've been copied word for word from eachother.. I think Luke and Matthew are good examples of where they have both copied from Mark and then embellished the story further. I'm certainly no biblical expert, but it's fascinating for me to read about the gospels. ****************************************** Regarding homosexuality, have you ever thought how you'd react if any of your own children turned out gay?, I'm sure you'd still love them, but do you think you would try and dissuade them from being gay? Or would you just accept it?. I don't think people choose to be gay, some people are just born that way. Far better to accept them for who they are then to try and tell them their behaviour is sinful and against Gods wishes.. filling them with guilt and doubt about their own sexuality. As I say, this goes back to our morality evolving, society is dictating what we deem as moral, these things don't happen overnight, they are discussed, lobbied, and a gradual change occurs. This also doesn't mean that other sexual activities like paedophilia will become moral as others have suggested, society dictates that we protect children from such sexual activity, I cannot envisage a time when such an activity would ever become moral. Homosexuality isn't a slippery slope towards depravity. Obviously you may disagree, but that's fine, all discussion is good. Life isn't perfect, it's constant "work in progress".

A Whether Moments Poet Natascha Kampusch agrees. What happened to her was just.

+A Whether Moments Poet Do you think that God is unfair? Do you think that giving billions of undeserving people all the chances they need for eternal life unfair? Is justice not fair? Is righteousness not fair? Is mercy, and grace not fair?

+A Whether Moments Poet One can argue that just is correlated to fairness

very naive

WWUTT Hi there. I am a subscriber to your channel, and I enjoy watching your content. How can I understand the Bible better? Furthermore, there is this other channel called TMM. He was criticizing a few of your videos but in a bad way. Just wanted you to know. Thanks and God bless.

Hi there! But why you saying that life is not fair. And we all know that it got was to be fair we all are condemn. But in the Bible we get where people do good things like for example Paul and many other Christians and they got killed for it, that is not fair for them to preaching the Good news. This is what life is trying to make the distinction. What do you think?

@@MegaNerd117hi Louis can you help me find the TMM channel that you mention because I can't find it.

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gq6df5Sg15vOmp8.html @@kronos01ful

Jim Wilson And GAVE US FREE WILL

God created evil, it's in the bible, check it out.

Jim Wilson Help me out where that is, I can't find it.

bmlsb KJV, Isaiah 45:7.

Jim Wilson He created it, you're here, he loves you, he gave you free will to make the right choice, chose wisely...Thank you Jim