Hes getting in the moment.

Yes your right in a sense but remember God has given us his word his revelation and his infallible word is authority in the life of a Christian so all Christians are defined by what God has spoken and said in his word so remember every human being is different but the body of Christ is defined, the Christians life, morals, values, beliefs, are defined by the word of God and if someone goes against the word of God or teaches and believes something that God said isn’t true or that isn’t in the Bible then they aren’t of God unless they repent and turn to the truth remember truth has been truth since the dawn of time and it will be truth until the end of time and beyond truth will never be false and all truth is found in the word of God I hope you have a blessed day my brother in Christ I’ll keep you in my prayers

How did you come to any of those conclusions?

@@theoskeptomai2535 Who are you asking, me or Speedy?

@@johronok4067 You.

@@theoskeptomai2535 God gave us the gift of freedom of thought and action. God gave us all the gift of diversity, for what a boring world it would be if we all sang, danced, looked, or thought exactly like each other. I came to these conclusions by using the wonderful gift of a freely thinking mind that was given to me by God. If you truly love something then you set it free, you allow that something to make its own choices. God wants us to know Him and to put God first always but God loves us enough to allow us to choose, even if it means denying Him.

@@LookOutForNumberOne feeling convicted?

@@LookOutForNumberOne so feeling convicted AND defensive. Classic. You're not alone..we all took that route. Been there done that. Ok so continue running from God...run run run. Its not really God chasing you..its the guilt of sin..but by all means run till you're exhausted. He'll wait.

How did you come to conclude that this Jesus ever existed?

@@theoskeptomai2535 The evidence

@@boonboon5448 Well explained everything. Thanks for such a complete and thoroug explanation.

@@theoskeptomai2535 Your quite welcome.. My own experiences started with a argument. This Flat earther told me to respond to some questions. And 3 weeks later. My eyes were opened. And i know we live on a flat Earth. From there. I wanted to figure out what else is a lie. Long story short. God sent his only begotten son. To die on a cross 2000 yrs ago. And he took upon himself all the sin's of mankind. He was buried. And rose again 3 days later. In fulfillment of scriptures. Was seen by 500 people. He sent the Holy Spirit to anyone who would trust upon the Death Burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ. And i have eternal life because of the finished work on the Cross. Hope that helps bro.. Bye the way. I believe this VAX is the Mark of the Beast. Because it's nanotechnology dot's changes our DNA.

@@boonboon5448 Have fun splashing around in the deep end of your pool of delusions. Peace.

You're right that was cute

"What's the Evidence that proves Cliffe Knuckledragger is a Bullshit Artist?" This Video/Audio.

What's the evidence that view of soft atheism is right? The evidence is that there are no good evidence for existence of God. What's the evidence that view of hard atheism is right? The evidence is, if we're talking about God's supposed revelations, that God didn't reveal himself in such way that would be understandable to everyone; God didn't do good job in proving himself. Proof for that is that Cliffe needs to prove God, instead of God proving himself.

@@goranmilic442 "The evidence is that there are no good evidence for existence of God." . How r u going to explain everything around you? how r u going to explain existence without ultimately undermining the credibility of your theory? . . "The evidence is, if we're talking about God's supposed revelations, that God didn't reveal himself in such way that would be understandable to everyone; God didn't do good job in proving himself." . The Bible is right there mate, u just need to take it up and read it. God has given you the free will to choose for yourself. the proof is there, ur research is what's missing.

@@justindesouza977 It's impossible for humanity to explain existence of universe, since people are unable to explore what caused universe to expand. Can we agree on that? If we agree, then how does human's lack of ability to explain something prove God? I ask for good evidence for God, I didn't ask can humans explain universe or not. I read the Bible, many atheists (and people from religions other than Christianity) have read the Bible and found it isn't good evidence nor proof for God. Which shows my claim is true, God's supposed revelation isn't good enough to prove God's existence to everyone.

@@goranmilic442 " It's impossible for humanity to explain existence of universe, since people are unable to explore what caused universe to expand. Can we agree on that? If we agree, then how does human's lack of ability to explain something prove God?" . Cause the lack of ability to explain an event with nature suggests that the event is supernatural- by definition. The existence of the universe can either be:- a) created by the Supernatural b) created by nature the latter would put forth a list of problems, 1. it suggests Nature created Nature, which doesn't even answer the question 2. suggests everything was random, and thus, an accident, and thus, our existence is an accident, and thus, our thought process is an accident, which undermines the credibility of the theory itself. Thus, the only explanation left is that a Supernatural created existence. . . And many aethiests I know have read and STUDIED the Bible and find it convincing evidence and proof for the existence of God. . . Also, "Proof for the existence of God" is quite a laughable approach. The entire concept of God is that He is supernatural and exists beyond our human nature by definition. How do you find it competent to restrict a Supernatural's existence to your natural thought process, when He is defined to be above your thought process? Remember this doesn't apply to your claim because your claim relies on Nature only, and thus, you need to explain everything with Nature. I don't, because my claim relies on the existence of Supernatural. For a fact, humans have limited knowledge. We have a realm where we know everything, and we have a realm ofwhich we know absolutely nothing about. And we have the inbetween, that links these 2 realms, and that's the Bible and whatever God reveals to us.

Poor old Cliffe wasted all those years on campus and still hasn't learnt a thing

@@doctr7147 I know right. Most of these kids will never understand. God is real and more loving than they think. And they are willing to trust only themselves and risk being in hell for eternity just because they don't want to look at the facts.

@@theOneThatWas do you think you that will you understand ? Do you think you are any different ..the answer my friend is not blowing in the wind !

@@doctr7147 That was hard to read. I believe I'm very different from other's and see the bigger picture. I don't believe that we all just exist. And based on the evidence of DNA God is real.

@@theOneThatWas the question at play is not whether God exists ..only ones that dont know themselves will think God doesn't exist ..but the real question at hand is who god ..which is faith is correct and judging on what I've read from what you have written to me with your responses .. You are incorrect ...but that's your problem not mine ..I don't really blame you entirely . I blame your ancestors but you have the responsibility to yourself to seek out the truth which you stubbornly don't because for whatever reasons ..perhaps because it suits your way of living / life ..but I'm in no mood or have an interest in coercing you into the truth / right path when it comes to matters of faith / religion as I am not responsible for you

He thinks he is an "Amazing" Bullshit Artist. Maybe, next Year.

Well said.

Are you submitting your comment as evidence supporting the historicity of Jesus?

@@theoskeptomai2535 Yes

@@jesussaves2856 Well, it's not evidence. It is a _non sequitur_ argument, which you probably haven't a clue that this a known formal fallacy.

Can i answer? Pull my Finger, is why.

What do the following verses suggest to you, for Jesus is saying that his return to earth will happen in the generation of the people to whom he is speaking? Yet, this never happened. Then Apostle Peter said that the prophecy of Joel was currently being fulfilled. This also never happened. So what are we to conclude? Deuteronomy 18:21-22. Matthew 16:27-28 27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. 28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. Mark 13:24-30 24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, 25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. 26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven. 28 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near: 29 So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors. 30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done. Matthew 24:29-35 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. 32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: 33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. 34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. 35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. Matthew 10:19-23 19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak. 20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you. 21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death. 22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved. 23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come. Acts 2:14-20 14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words: 15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day. 16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; 17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: 18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: 19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke: 20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come: Deuteronomy 18:21-22 21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the Lord hath not spoken? 22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him. Definition of generation: all of the people born and living at about the same time, regarded collectively.

@@mariobethell3731 The Bible defines a generation as 70-80 years. The fig tree represents Israel. Many, myself included, believe the fig tree coming to fruition is Israel becoming an independent nation, which happened in 1948. We believe that that marked the last generation. In other words, if we are correct, Jesus' return would be some time in 2028 or 2029. If you back off 7 years for the tribulation, that leaves a 2021 (obviously didn't happen) or 2022 rapture. It's very possible we will see the rapture by May 14th (the anniversary of Israel) this year. If not, then then next earliest theory is for some time in 2023 (the anniversary of Israel's government being established). There are a lot of prophecies that are yet to be fulfilled and Jesus promises to come back and fulfill them.

A true warrior of Christ.

Dont give up on your channel.

@@saintpaulofyoutube4416 Good to see you brother.

Truth is one thing that we as a human race have a hard time conceiving let alone practice.

Either way Ryan time for me to crash I got to be up in 5 hours, so God bless. Be safe.

@@saintpaulofyoutube4416there is a Christian on here who's giving Christians a really bad name on a different spread ice twice spoke with him second time I had to tell him off finger accusatory when she doesn't even know me he doesn't know my position on things he assumes things on me I'm stating this St Paul for everyone to read on every thread where I may leave this I don't care if you're an atheist a Christian and agnostic or anyting you do not do that with people you know what you're talking about first. I know you don't like to get involved and doctrinal matters and I don't want you to either but if you see this Christian on these threads doing what he did with me please correct him stand up to him so that he will know that just like we say The Atheist around here but not going to be allowed to act that way.

Lol no he doesn't. Preaching isn't debating

Bingo!

Can you site this source.

@@hatersgotohell627 try looking into the Great Isaiah scroll first. It clearly provides evidence that the scribes were copying the scriptures accurately for over 1000 years alone.

I don't know about that because there are scholars like Dr. Richard Carrier, Dr. Robert Price and Dr. Bart Erhmam who say there are more errors in the manuscripts than there are manuscripts. I think there are more than 5,500 manuscripts.

@@BiblicalTeachings "T Evangelist" (You misspelled: "The BullshitArtist")

"Destroyer" (You Misspelled "Bullshit Artist") You, are welcome.

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Reminds me of a favorite quote of mine... “To give truth to him who loves it not is but to give him more plentiful material for misinterpretation.” _-George McDonald (1824-1905), Scottish author, poet, and Christian minister_ Brings to mind some of the resident trolls of this very channel!

🤣Every time!

@@jessebryant9233 ive never read that quote before. Quite insightful. Thanks for sharing!

Cliff never gave any physical evidence. He tried to throw up a smoke screen about archaeologists discovering Nazareth and Bethlehem. None of that proves Jesus existed or was god. London exists but does Sherlock Holmes?

@@jessebryant9233 Truth has to be proven

The videos are edited out of about 3-5 hours of video. The 30 min episodes are turned into TV shows that are aired in New England, Australia, New Zealand and parts of Europe. I'm sure the guy who does the editing puts together the videos in such a way that, in 28 min, you get some good stuff.

@@nabukwe Cool. Thanks for the info. I would actually pay money for those 3-5 hour videos! lol

@@nabukwe You do not get any "Good" Bullshit Artwork, from "Cliffe", regardless.

And as Paul did, when he went to the Jews, he went as a Jew. When he went to a gentile, he went as a gentile. It’s not a game of LARPING, rather understanding their ways, and explain the gospel in a way they will understand, to bring them to the full light of scripture. Babies are given the milk; when you are no longer a babe, you are given the meat.

How did you come to conclude that I am a sinner in need of a savior?

@@theoskeptomai2535 By the supernatural power of the Holy Spirit.🕊

@@NewCreationInChrist896 Wow. That was an evasive response. You could use those exact words to avoid any question. Nonsense covers anything, eh?

@@NewCreationInChrist896 nicely sad but I'm sure you remember that Theo is a troll and a master of his own mind.

Pray is one thing we *dont* do my friend. What does your conscience say about all the butchery and slaughter in the Bible on God's command?

Amen, God's proud of you and bonnie(tom) will never care.

Do you think I, an atheist, _choose_ not to believe the claims made in the Bible? Do you think I desire the claims to be unsubstantiated?

@@theoskeptomai2535 could not agree more , belief is not a "choice" you are either convinced or you are unconvinced and it's EVIDENCE that convinces. I could not just make myself believe in fairies at the bottom of my garden because it promises me some benefit, no matter how much I closed my eyes and stamped my feet. 😁

@@bonnie43uk Is slaughter absolutely wrong Bonnie? 😂

Well said. The question of God's existence is a question of philosophy

science is the kid who is always trying to catch up to the leader ...God!

@@cameroneagle4370 "God is an ever receding pocket of scientific ignorance"...Neil Degrasse Tyson

@@colinmatts well that doesn't make much sense, because you can't have science without God ..

@@colinmatts relying on a scientist to help answer philosophical questions doesn’t seem intellectually consistent. Science is tremendous but doesn’t have that much say in theology.

Without a common framework for moral claims, which constitutes much of what people talk about, there is little foundation for communication to have meaning. Agnosticism lacks that common framework.

Oh, come on guys... I mean, in the words of Joel Osteen, "I-I-I don't know..." 🤣🤣🤣

@@saintpaulofyoutube4416 ask Jakal, as 6 did not exist before us.

What exactly are "preconditions for intelligibility"? Can you provide an example?

@@theoskeptomai2535 being able to make sense of reality. Being able to justify your reasoning (metalogic), the laws of logic (non-contradiction, excluded middle, law of identity), the laws of mathematics, the principle of induction (that tomorrow will be like today - the uniformity of nature in a random chance, chaotic universe), objective moral truths, the reliability of sense perception.

So is Satan the enemy of God? Is he a rebellious fallen angel? Is he unholy?

@@skwozies3083 YES.

I suppose you haven't a single _evidentiary fact_ to present that could substantiate the existence of either this Satan or Jesus. Am I right?

@@godislove363 OK, so let us look at the mentions of HaSatan (Satan) in the Jewish Tanakh. What does it tell us about this Angel (Malakh or Messenger)? First, when Elohim made everything he said It is good. He did not say, it is good except that Satan fellow. Christianity teaches that we cannot master sin but What does Genesis 4:7 say? "If you do what is right will you not be accepted? But if you do not then sin is crouching at the door. Its desire is to have you, but you can master over it." This is absurd in the Christian tradition. In Christian theology man is a slave to sin John 8:34. We cannot stop sinning without Jesus in the Christian Faith. Next let us Go to Numbers 22. Here we get a deeper understanding of what HaSatan is. He is Sent by Hashem and stands in the path blocking Balaam and his donkey. It calls him here Malakh Yahwey an Angel of the Lord. So this HaSatan is an Angel of Hashem who stands in the way or as an adversary to man. In the Jewish Tradition it is to provide free will to man. As such HaSatan is not the enemy of God, only one who provides temptation for Man. On the Contrary, the Jewish view of HaSatan is that he is a servant of Hashem and only does his will. But let us Look at another of the Bibles Oldest texts, the book of Job, to try and understand this figure. HaSatan goes before the presence of Hashem (which nothing unholy was allowed in Hashems Presence). HaSatan and Hashem discuss Job and his righteousness. Hashem gives certain commands to HaSatan and HaSatan strictly obeys his commands. I find that a peculiar rebellious angel who only is obedient to every last word of Hashem. Not in any point did he rebel here but was rather obedient and since in the Christian conception he is unholy then How is Satan in the Presence of the Divine which Torah teaches us clearly that the Unclean and unholy cannot be allowed in his Presence. Or again, we see in one Story that God moved David to count the people (which is strictly forbidden by Torah in Numbers), and in another version of the same story Satan moved David to count the people. Who did it? Was it God or Satan? This is a problem for the Christian conception of Satan. However if we are to understand the Jewish conception then it is easy to understand. God working through Satan tempted David. Oh but God cannot be tempted nor does he tempt people. That is what your New Testament says, sure. But Let us not forget it also says God does not lie yet we see in Tanakh that God sends a lying spirit into the mouth of his prophets. Again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, over, and over, and over, and over, etc... we see a very reoccurring theme. The New Testament does not line up with Tanakh. HaSatan in Tanakh is not a rebellious angel but one who is obedient, He is not the Enemy of God but the Adversary of Man providing temptation, is not fallen but remains in the presence of Hashem, is not unholy (as he could not enter Gods Presence) but rather is capable of entering the presence of the Holy one. The question you should really ask yourself is why does my bible fly in the face of what the church teaches me? They cannot both be true, either the bible is false or the church is lying to you. I have given you chapter and verse figure it out for yourself. Either you obey the Scriptures or you obey the church, your choice.

@@skwozies3083 because you again have not paid attention to what I have said in the past very recently then I will not reply to this because if you cannot respectfully understand what I said and you know nothing about me and how dare you judge me you don't know what I follow you don't know what I know a lot of what you said is inconsistent you don't know God's word if you're going to state that you may have some knowledge you may have some of that book and she mentioned I only want to color your color because I'm only going to speak at the Holy Bible get itself have the 66 books I mentioned God is consistent I'm not disagreeing I'll tell me what you said because actually I do take the Bible and God's word before ever take the church but once again. Just shows that you don't pay attention and you assume on me that I think the church or the gods over the Bible or God's work and that's not so.

The only reason you think we can get fine without God is because you live right now, where Godlessness hasn't reached its peak yet and things seem to be still relatively fine, yet if you would know where this world is heading and what will happen when Godlessness will become rampant, you would be horrified and would run to God asap.

@@nikokapanen82 Hi Niko, the world has always been in flux. In relative terms you may be shocked to learn that the population today, in general, is more peaceful and prosperous than at anytime in the past for the majority of us. If you think thats wrong, name me a time in the past when things were better for the common man? 500 years ago, 1000?, 5000? 50 years ago.? You are absolutely right to suggest that the planet is heading for some really tough times. I am well aware of that. We have a weekly tv news report show on channel 4 here in the UK called "Unreported world", each week they highlight parts of the globe that are experiencing terrible things, it's truly heartbreaking to watch. You can KZfaq "unreported world" and see for yourself. But there has never been a time in human history when those terrible things weren't happening. If and when you pray to Jesus Niko, does he actively intervene and improve their situations?

Yes he was. You seem to not look into context sometimes Tom. The context historically is there was no cops, no prisons, no jails. Every crime had to be handled by the family or people themselves. These were so harsh because they're made as a deterrent and because of the above facts. You try to make excuses not to follow God but the only thing you're going to get is hell for eternity. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/f5uXqZCHnsfcpJs.html

@@nikokapanen82 Most European countries have very high rates of non-belief. They also have very low rates of crime and the highest standards of living. What does that tell you?

@@colinmatts Yes, i live in such a European country, Finland, where you have mostly middle class living, very good social security, free universal healthcare, basically no homelessness and even the prisons are more a rehabilitation centers than punishment facilities and i can assure you that all this well being is in great part the result of a deeply rooted message of the Gospel since Luther times into the fabric of people's behavior and governing authorities. Up to 90% of the population has a great respect to the law enforcement and that is because majority of people's hearts are rooted on respecting the law and order, who are willing to pay high taxes just to have such virtues in the country. Never before in the world, was such message heard as taking care of others, who are not even your close relatives, only with Jesus this message was preaches and welcomed in all Nordic countries and it was welcomed to such a degree that even the flags has a cross on them. So what Finland and other Nordic countries are doing, where they take good care of the poor and the needy is in direct relation to the Gospel. It is true that in the last couple of decades, people are beginning to lose their faith in God in masses, it is happening very rapidly and where will it lead to... You cannot believe right now.

Or if you don't presume that any argument he makes is false because it's not what you believe.

Cliff believes the _"doctrine of biblical inerrancy"_ which says everything in the Bible is true without errors or contradictions. So 👉in Cliff's mind👈 Biblical assertions are proven facts. However, 👉in reality👈 they are just assertions.

@@lloydtucker5647 well, he definitely adheres to no contradictions. But he also doesn't treat the Bible as all history. As for inerrancy, he holds to the idea that the only thing that matters is Jesus rising from the dead. If that's true, who cares about the rest?

@@Malhaloc There is an _"A and Non-A Can Not Both Be True In The Same Place At The Same Time"_ problem *after* the Baptism of Jesus. According to all four gospels, a sequence of events happened where John the baptizer announces Jesus saying _"behold the lamb of God."_ There was a voice from heaven saying _"this is my beloved son, etc, etc...."_ and The Holy Spirit descended like a dove. According to Matthew, Mark, and Luke, immediately after being baptized Jesus went into the wilderness for the next forty days. According to John's gospel, Jesus never went into the wilderness. Instead, Jesus was calling disciples to build his ministry the day after his baptism.

@@lloydtucker5647 these are old arguments that have been debunked but you choose to still follow or this not true there's no contradiction in God's word none can't find it because I don't exist if you don't understand how writing Works in different styles of different people with Cliffs even discussed when you don't understand any form of writing from any other author.

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@@saintpaulofyoutube4416 that is a very good observation my friend.

@@saintpaulofyoutube4416 I am so into your head.

@@saintpaulofyoutube4416 careful, every comment makes him more like Tom every day.

@@saintpaulofyoutube4416 Still waiting for those 13 evidentiary facts. Been caught in another lie, have you now? You never have and never will introduce even one evidentiary fact that substantiates your claim. You simply can't and won't defend your position. At least my position is defensible. So you settle for last place and follow me round taking pot shots at me because you're too much of a coward to argue your position. Now go find your sycophant girlfriends and cast your insults indirectly like the cowards all of have demonstrated to be.

@@saintpaulofyoutube4416 I rather play dodgeball.

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Um, He has.

@@billyholly I'm sure in your head he (god) has made an appearance billy, but the reality is, as far as we atheists can see, he only exists in your mind.. and your version of God is very subjective and personal to each and every Christian. Would you agree with me that your Christian God evades the 5 human senses? Hope you're doing well my friend 😍

@@bonnie43uk I will get to your question soon because I want to know how YOU have been. You didn't respond to my last question during our last thread discussion and I was concerned. Have you been OK?

Jason has not been around.

@@saintpaulofyoutube4416 you know what they say about the definition of insanity.

@@saintpaulofyoutube4416 just as Jackal is demonstrating.

I occasionally come here to see their responses, like today for ex., hoping they have changed, but no, its always the same nonsense.

@@saintpaulofyoutube4416 exactly, like Jesse said it, and Bible does also "always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth"

Have you no idea of the many ways this has been debunked ?? ( even by the church ) that's WHY they hold no official position on its authenticity one way or the other.

I @trumpbellend6717 never debunked they still say to this day its is authentic

If true, good question.

Interesting comment. Can you elaborate upon it?

This is an older video, i was it in 2016 and it was older than that.

its new if you have never seen it .

@@cameroneagle4370 can't argue with that logic

It's about 2010-ish.

Did you know in jewish tradition when someone died , the head was wrapped in a different cloth then the body , so you have two pieces not one , GOD BLESS

@@gordo191 Yes, I did know that. That is why the holy shroud of Turin is the large cloth that wrapped Our Lord's body. In the cathedral of Oviedo, Spain, there is a relic called the Sudarium, which many claim is precisely the cloth you mentioned. Blessings +++

Cliffe isn't out there to stroke his own ego and prove everyone he's right, he's saying Jesus is right, and no matter how compelling someone's theory is; doesn't compare to the reliability of Jesus. And cliffe always asks, and it's a point that I agree with: if you aren't living for Jesus, what is it that you've put your faith in and live for, and what's the evidence that's it's true? Compelling or not, truth exists.

That's a loaded question you might want to think about all the different cancers you would receive you want to have a discussion on it let me know and I'm not even saying I necessarily disagree with you I'm just saying that's a very loaded statement you made.

Probably a real piece of burial cloth, but the features of the person showed on it are of someone of Caucasian descent. Very unlikely that it was Jesus.

The Shroud of Turin is evidence that theists haven't any evidentiary facts to substantiate their claim that a god exists and have to produce fraudulent artifacts to fill that void.

Frank Turek has an interesting response: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bb2IjcqQtMzUdmw.html As for myself, I don't really care. It doesn't affect my evidence or understanding of God. If anything, it's a distraction for nonbelievers.

@@theoskeptomai2535 If what you wrote were true, then the shroud could be reproduced by others today. It can't. I don't pay any attention to the shroud.

@@billyholly at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter if it's authentic or not. Let's say that a study came out that proved 100% certain, beyond the shadow of a doubt that the shroud contains the image of Jesus Christ and the image could only have been caused by the resurrection, do you really think that would convince people its true? Or would they come up with another reason not to believe? People literally saw Jesus perform miracles and called him a fake. Evidence isn't the problem, they don't want it to be true. Like Jordan Peterson said, the implications are too great.

Do you think that if I show a future archeologist a video of New York york he should also conclude that king kong must have really existed ?? 😜

@@trumpbellend6717 no. One proves truthful and one proves baloney

@@svfox A bit harsh I woulnt quite call christianity " baloney " then again no maybe your right , christianity IS baloney

@@svfoxyeah I'm good with baloney, I mean just who would believe that a god decided that the best way for him to be able to forgive man, for being evil & immoral by breaking rules that god knew in advance that they would break when he made those rules and created evil. Was to send a version of himself down to earth then sacrifice himself to himself. Thus preventing his need to punish his creations for something their ancestors did before they knew the difference between right and wrong. 🤔 ??????? ☝️☝️ I mean just actually think about that for a minute 🤔🤔🤔

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Oh the irony, Its funny and so sad at the same time just how many people are willing to support any kind of fairytale.... Talking snakes, tribes of GIANTS, magic , witches , virgin births, zombies, mud figurines becoming living breathing man and ribs becoming women. Because their whole world would be turned upside down if there were no invisible being watching their every move, or no eternital afterlife spent worshipping this being. No more polygamy, no more slavery endorsement, no more incestuous relationships, no more infanticide, no more bigoted homophobia. No more " we can commit genocide cos god told us "" and so on . It's to hard for them to give up all this. They want to do all this while telling everyone that they are good people that they are moral. Well dear that's impossible. 😜

Sadly some/most are that way, I would not be.

LOL 🤣... Hilarious.

@@godislove363 That is true, my brother.

@@GraftedOliveBranch yes and God is Love.

@@godislove363 Yeah, but both of us are messed up already. We are the ugly ducklings! 🙃😜

The Lske of Fire will Not be Forever, but the lasting effect like with Sodom and Gomorrah will be.

Lol oh please dont make me laugh. The god of biblical naratives could never be discribed as "moral"

The shroud was found a long time ago.

Medieval forgery

@@colinmatts Its been proven to not be a forgery.

@@GraftedOliveBranch Really? And in what scientific journal can I read about this forensic proof that the shroud was the burial cloth of this supposed Jesus. Hell, go ahead and provide the title, author(s), and year of publication so I can locate this study. I look forward to reading it.

@@theoskeptomai2535 "The Evidence of the Shroud" by Ian Wilson... Read it for yourself (if you have enough time between your habitual trolling) it's truly fascinating stuff.

Same here. R. Dawkins says evolution is 'red in claws" but our selfish-genes somehow make us not wanting to harm others if we can help it for purpose of self preservation. Can somebody vouch for the validity or otherwise.

Have you ever lied, stolen, used God's name in vain, looked wuth lust? if so you need to repent today and Believe in Jesus Christ to save you from Hell and go to heaven instead