Your like to dislike ratio is great on this video though, just like all your other videos. Keep up the good work, we all really appreciate it!

Don't pay attention to fanboys Joe, they're minority. The majority of your fans are mature thinking people who accept your opinion and appreciate the fact that you and Dave are not making click-bait garbage videos. Keep it up!

It´s funny, guys. I almost totally disagree with your opinions about this games, but I really appreciate and respect them. Your gaming channel is amazing, thanks for sharing and keep up the good work.

You should try Legend of Kage 2 on DS, it's really good.

lastusableusername I got that one brand new for $10 not long after it came out. It wasn't bad but I didn't get much further than... I wanna say maybe the 8th level? I can't really be sure, I'm only guessing.

SnesRulez - My Game World exactly what I was thinking haha

SnesRulez - My Game World when was that

I don’t.

@@lifespanofafry1534 Doom game data files used the .wad extension.

Ha ha someone got it! I knew it was only a matter of time. :)

Game Sack Yeah, the fact that you didn't force-feed the understanding of the joke made it a lot better - that feeling of "heh, not everyone is going to catch this" :D Thanks for the video! ♥

Game Sack I was wondering if that was intentional or not. :P

Sato I don't get it...

***** Yeah, took me a while to find a site where someone had grabbed the quote itrunsdoom.tumblr.com/post/100366595303/when-i-started-the-project-i-had-to-do-a-demo-for

Thats how I am with most RPGs. I hate the fact that they are usually turn based and just standing there in a line waiting to get hit. Much rather they be implemented more like Secret of Mana and you can freely move around and attack and dodge like a real fight, just makes more sense with my brain

@@johnnyslokes2712 I was thinking more turn based strategy than turn based rpgs. I like a couple, but like yourself, I'm more into ones with real time action like the aforementioned Secret of Mana and the sixteen bit Zeldas.

@@MarquisSmith I can find examples of all sorts of different types of RPGs that I've found pretty good just definitely have a type that I gravitate towards

He's played Final fantasy 6, and he likes tons of Jrpgs.

LoL!!

How was your friends wedding.

@@dingo4010 he didn't go, obviously

I know your comment is old as hell (im just rewatching game sack for fun) but its nice to see someone not upset by someone else's negative opinion on a final fantasy game. I really dont like the series... but unfortunately thats taboo! People get so upset.

But the rufus fight is super easy u just let him beat on you till u get ur limit break and spam it over and over again.

Is being bad at FF7 something I should be ashamed of? I gave it an honest second chance, what more do you want?

Game Sack just feels like you played it wrong or rushed it making everything 50 times harder.

zerogear976 I have more than 7 hours of gameplay footage. I played until I did not want to play any more. Why would I continue playing a game I did not want to play? I guess my second attempt just wasn't good enough for some of you.

***** That's what I was really hoping to do... get outside. That was my goal for this video to at least do that. But I couldn't. And I had 4 other games to record and lots of other life things to do so I had to call it quits. Granted, I'd have more fun doing my laundry than fighting through that elevator battle again.

zerogear976 I wouldn't say that it's rushing through the game just because you don't sit around in every zone for an hour more to grind. Good single-player RPGs don't make you do that, you get enough exp and such from naturally playing through the game to succeed, and grinding helps with extra/bonus stuff, makes bosses easy, etc.

Tru dat

I know man I've been waiting for a new gamesack.....CHODES!

Me too man, I always enjoy their new episodes.

Fuck yeah!

I got your game sack for ya right here sweet cheeks

I don't really have a PC that can be used for gaming (that I can also record) and I don't care to set one up. I'm definitely more of a console guy. Just a preference. If that upsets anyone (and I know it does) then I consider that their problem.

Game Sack It is never too late to get into PC !

Game Sack It's Doom though....any computer made in the last fifteen years can play it without breaking a sweat....playing a youtube video takes more processing power than Doom

Game Sack Well if you didn't wanted to play the game on a PC you could have played the Xbox 360 version, also Doom I and II are available on Doom 3: Resurrection of Evil and Doom 3 BFG Edition.

Game Sack Doom on the console definitely was a thing back then. There was a huge amount of hype in my group of friends when Doom finally came out to the 32x. Turns out every Doom port I've played is crap. But the thing is, even the PC original is not that good on the first play through. Slowly plodding about in nonsensical mazes searching for keys gets boring fast. Doom came into its own for me when I ran through the game at the Ultra Violence difficulty level with the knowledge of the stage layouts. That's when you get the "id" feel that is present for me in Doom and Quake. Fast, non stop carnage with superb audio and perfect pacing. I don't hate you for not putting in the tens of hours to get to that part. You're an adult with adult responsibilities who is in addition to that running a top of the line (my favorite for that matter) youtube channel.

Steve Rempel Playing doom with a modern doom engine does not mean you're playing 'the doom'. You're playing a custom version and remember, at the time, PCs could not handle such engine. And by guessing, if you actually play doom, you'd probably don't like it.

I doesn't matter what I'm playing it's still really fun, and has all the same levels, items and enemies as doom, and 90% the same game play, (there's an option to make it 99% the same gameplay, by not letting you look up or down, but I don't want to do that.) I have played vanilla doom, and although still good, the mods make it better, and I see no reason to use the vanilla engine anymore. In the same way I don't see the point on turning graphic settings down if your performance is good at high settings. Also, by your logic, any of the console ports of doom also are not 'the doom' as they would all use different engines than the original. The brutal doom mod is the only change big enough to have a truly new game, although I do really enjoy that mod, I don't always use it. The SNES version of Doom, and the console ports on this video, suck compared to the PC orignial... especially the SNES version, I still don't understand how I was able to beat that version....

Steve Rempel Well, all the versions of doom(except for the 32x) look cool. I've played the PS version. I don't have an SNES, Genesis or 32x to actually experience. I've also played GZdoom and it's pretty fun, but it's just the same game just with added features. It's your opinion anyway.

Pixelized Dreams That sounds similar to my opinion. I use GZdoom with my brutal doom mod, and Doomsday Engine when I'm not using that mod. I actually prefer the Doomsday Engine, but when I set my mods up, Brutal Doom didn't work with Doomsday. I would recommend you try Brutal Doom, and Doomsday engine. I also play hexen and heretic. I don't like heretic as much, but I don't know why, and it's bugging me...

Pixelized Dreams Also you could try the SNES version on emulator, the whole thing is just a mess of pixels, especially when the enemies are far away. Password saving for each level. Terrible controls, bad performance, missing levels. Playing the SNES version of doom, on PC using an emulator is the peak of awsomeness. Actually, I did play Turok 2 and Golden Eye 64 (For N64) on emulator, using a modern FPS keyboard/mouse control scheme, that was fun. I own all those games on cartidge so it's legal.

Sounds like I hurt someone's feelings! Listen, I played over 7 hours of this game. I gave it an honest second chance. If I don't like the game, why would I continue playing it? Do the core mechanics of the gameplay change? I highly highly doubt that they do.

You didnt hurt my feelings, you struck me as someone I shouldnt take seriously. You're entitled to your own opinion of course, but saying a whole game is overrated when you havent played but a little bit of, thats a bit disingenuous dont you think? You could at least say "what" about the game you think is so overrated, because you havent even experienced the story so it cant be that.

Eandia If you watched the entire review, I said what I liked and that was the characters, story (from what I saw) and the music. And I said I do not like the battles much at all. They also seemingly comprise the vast majority of the game. I'll agree that I haven't seen much of the story, but I have seen the large majority of what the gameplay mechanics are like. And I just do not find them very fun. If this were a movie, I could see your point. But otherwise it's like saying that I can't decide if Shinobi is a game I enjoy or not by playing the first two stages. I needn't play through an entire game to decide that I do not like it. If the game takes over 7 hours just to "get started" then there's something seriously wrong with the way the game is designed. The game is massively hyped. Many games are. Perhaps some of this led to my expectations being too high. I don't expect you or anyone else to change their opinions, that's not what this show is about. We can only give you our opinions. And many FF7 fans seem very, very bitter about it.

I cant agree with that because RPGs do take longer to get going, since most are 30-40 hour affairs, in FF7s case it is introduced in Midgar but really comes off the ground when you get to the world map which you didnt do. For the same reason you are saying this game is massively hyped, I can say that you are conditioned or inclined to look for faults because you're tired of hearing how good people think it is and you went in with very high expectations. What drew me in was the story with the game and the only thing I reacted to was that "the game" was overrated when in reality you liked the characters, story and music yet only had a problem with the battles. Im not bitter about it, and I enjoy finding different opinions and discussing, I just think alot of people, such as you, put all ff7 fans into one group and are more inclined to find faults with the whole game, even though as you admit, you enjoyed a great deal about it except the battles.

Eandia The thing is with most FFVII fans that in the same way you guys think that people who dislikes FFVII is "inclined to look for faults", you are clouded with nostalgia and fail to see the game for what it really is. I have tried to play FFVII on multiple occasions but the mechanics of the game is just bad to the point of almost being broken. I've come much farther than the guy in this video (about 15-20 hours in) because I wanted to give the game a fair chance, but the vast majority of the actual play time was a pain and the story (so far) did not in any way make up for it. The biggest issue with the game is the battle system, it's painfully slow and awkward and basic enemies take far to much time to defeat, and there is entirely to many battles. Apart from that the worst parts of the game were the horrible minigames that you are forced to do time and time again. I would never recommend someone who have never played FFVII to pick it up, since the chance that someone without a previous relationship to the game would like it is minimal. If someone wanted to get in to the series I would recommend FFVI which is a game I loved and far superior to FFVII in my personal opinion. The mechanics in FFVII is stuck in this awkward timeframe where they mixed old and new ideas and therefore it's very dated. Games like FFVI and Chrono Trigger is more refined in many ways, and therefore there mechanics are more timeless and even though they are older games, the way the are played feels better in almost every way. It takes serious dedication and oversight of bad mechanics to get in to FFVII if you have never played it, and most players simply don't think that the pretty decent story is worth all the time that the game wastes.

Jack and daxter

Mighty morphin power rangers for the sega genesis (where you can play as the green ranger and dragonzord).

I just read your comment That means we're at 100K! Yeahh!! Oh damn. Your comment is only a 1/2 hour old. :)

Game Sack Congrats!!! You guys deserve it... such a great show!

I'm sub 90k. I thought that I was already subscribed, but it said I wasn't. Thats happened to me with a few other channels.

Siats I was subscriber #50,000! :D I should totally unsub and try to get 100k. Kappa.

Thanks! Congrats on the SMS complete set. You will see us at Retropalooza next year it's gonna be a good time.

Ha ha! I think you've nailed it for a large percentage of the game's mega-fans. :)

Yep, no one who appreciates FF7 ever played any of the pre-7 entries, or any game after it. I mean, ever, they've just been playing FF7 non-stop for the past 18 years. It was about the 5th JRPG I ever played personally, still my favorite game for multiple reasons, and that seems to be the common trend among the fanbase. But hey, we're here to make idiotic, ignorant generalizations, lets not things like facts get in the way.

Requirements to anger a FF fanboy. 1: Saying that FFVII is incredibly good, but there are better games out there, even from the FF series. Personally, my favourite is FFVI, but I can enjoy them all up to FFX. The series *in MY opinion* died with SquareSoft.

I meet both of those criteria and I hated it. I don't really like any of the FF games, despite trying and wanting to like them.

Sylverias none of the pre VII entries in europe came out until after FFVII, i remember actually enjoying VII more when replaying it years later, i remember during the early days of the internet people talking about how FFVII was bad and VI was much better but playing through the series i wasn't the biggest fan of VI outside of its music though FFV became one of my all time favorite games in the series, i enjoyed VII and IX a lot also.

As far as FF7 I assume its safe to say that he didn't know you can significantly speed up battles.

Chippen Dale speed up battles in FFVII? How do you manage that?

Settings change battle speed.

doesn't that just make the active time bars fill up faster?

which in turn allows the game battles to go faster as well. Which is exactly what he was complaining about. I am 33 now but then when I was younger and playing FF7 for the first time I had it set up pretty fast and I was rocking through the battles with ease and speed. It's not for everyone but FF7 is definitely one of the best RPG's I ever played. JazGalaxy

I like plenty of console RPGs. Loved the Phantasy Star series. I know how random battles work and I know what they're for. They're just not interesting to me in FF7.

keffypoo I don't agree. I have fond memories because of nostalgia, but the game (FF7) has aged poorly in my eyes. FF6, Xenogears, and 10 have all aged pretty well by comparison to me. But hey, opinions, right? :)

Game Sack alright, I just don't see how they're any different from any other rpg. The interface is pretty slow and clunky though. You didn't get the part where you start using summons,but they don't let you skip those sequences, and the stronger ones take quite a bit of time. I do see point, somewhat.

Sato I think SNES games just generally had more responsive controls than Playstation, and FF6 was just pretty well made. Xenogears didn't age quite as well, but it's so unique that it still stands out.

keffypoo Can't agree, FFVIII is my favorite on Playstation. FF8 and 9 were more sleek, but you can't blame FF7 as it was their first attempt to make a game like that.

calminaeon certainly a great FPS if you're a fan of the genre I think

Its pure ass.

Doom 64 is my favorite classic Doom.

Good story and Merry Xmas!

I'd disagree. The Playstation port is amazing. The soundtrack is completely different and gives the game an eerie and desolate feeling.

Honestly.

I grew up with Doom and I was overly happy to finally get it one special Christmas morning with my new 32X.

honestly, yeah. Honest!

ProtoMario I'm still waitin' on that one day where you be like, "Kris, you dun' haveta +1 every thing I say.." And then I'll be like, " _eh.._ ~shrugs~" XD

BUT PROTO!!!! I agree with your opinion.

Its over rated, I too tried to play the game and just got bored early and just quit, haven't really revisited it. How ever 9,10, and 12 were much more enjoyable games.

TheJadeFist I played through 12, but I will never say that any of the charecters made a lick of sense, because most of them didn't.

ProtoMario 12's plot was a bit harder to follow then most, but the gameplay and atmosphere more then made up for it. Maybe I was just suckered in by the Tactics Advanced world being reused.

THAT RPG isn't for me.

Game Sack Do you guys like any Final Fantasy Game? Just curious.

Game Sack I agree with you,Joe. I have beaten FF VII back in '97 and it was painful,really painful. The ending caused me to destroy the game (Lighter fluid and a match) I'd rather much play Chrono Trigger and FF VI as those are far superior games.

karma12gaming Yes. Final Fantasy 3(US) is great. I actually like FFVII just not Joe.

David White I'm glad you called it 3 and not 6, cuz I own the game and it indeed says Final Fantasy III on the box.

Doom 64 is *better* than Doom on pc. Just my opinion, though.

Hello Argentina! Thanks for watching.

Argentinian in here too... love Gamesack.

Lo que gobernó fue el Family Game, no hables boludeces.

Yep! I had to find a way to work that in there. :)

Game Sack Well done, cause as a player of the PC version, I laughed quite hard at that.. :D

Game Sack I admit I didn't get it right away but when I saw Sinuev1's comment, it hit me: the files that were often modded had the extension .WAD Very clever!

Doom 64 is the underrated Doom, but the best Doom. Totally agree with what you said.

+Thener Oliveira It looks crappy in this video though.

Look at it in the side by sides at the end. It looks much smoother and graphically superior, as well as runs better than the counterparts. It also new content and stages, and the 64 controller was the best controller for shooters of that era (hence all the good FPS games coming to it Turok 1-3, Doom 64, Goldeneye, Hexen 64, Quake, Perfect Dark < best one FYI, etc.), it just feels weird going back to it now-a-days. Doom 64 really is a great version of Doom.

agreed. i felt my blood practically boil when i heard them dissing on my Doom 64

I know these comments are old, but I got Doom 64 when it was new and instantly regretted it, not a good game, I think maybe all the years since it now doesn't seem so bad, but at the time it all seemed horribly outdated, with the 2d sprites, getting lost for ages etc, Golden Eye was so much better when I got it a few months later

I don't know if I can agree that the story in FFVII gets "deeper". Defintely more convoluted, but not "deeper".

JazGalaxy I'm not sure how you could argue it doesn't get deeper after that point. It's fairly shallow while still in Midgar. Afterwards they start fleshing out the back stories and connections of characters, start showing a bigger picture, add layers to motivations, the history of the planet comes out more and becomes more relevant, so on and so forth. It doesn't become the most compelling story ever told, but it certainly gains depth from what it is in Midgar.

Obviously I'm being cynical, but I feel like the straightforward plot of Avalanche vs. Shinra is the best part of that game. After that, as it delves into Cloud's identity crisis, it ceases getting deep, in my opinion, and just shuffles it's feet with layer and layers of misinformation and obfuscation to create a false sense of depth and meaning. I feel Metal Gear is guilty of the same thing. I feel like there is a difference between a plot actually being complicated, and simple plot being told in a very complicated way.

JazGalaxy Depth and complication are not the same thing, though complication can sometimes add to depth. There is also a difference between depth and good or appealing, though again, greater depth often helps with those qualities. Still, a lot of people find shallower, simpler stories more appealing, and they do sometimes have their benefits if done well. The Avalanche vs. Shinra plot line is fairly shallow, but that doesn't make it bad. I personally prefer where the story goes from there, including where it goes with the other characters aside from Cloud, but I also find stories about identity very appealing.

JazGalaxy Despite its issues, I found the plot in FF7 to be WAY more interesting than 90% of other RPG's back then. Anything non-Squaresoft was usually pretty generic.

I finished Skyward Sword but wasn't impressed by it.

Completely agree, Skyward Sword was such a disappointing followup to Twilight Princess (Which I loved).

mykie242 I did enjoy Skyward Sword, but I found Twilight Princess more enjoyable.

I'll get my "Hardcore Gamer" license taken away but since A Link To The Past and the Capcom Gameboy games, the only Zelda game I have really, really liked (nay, LOVE) is Hyrule Warriors. Yeah, it's not a Zelda game"proper", but it's just awesome.

Nothing wrong with that! Hyrule Warriors is so very, very awesome! I've been playing it so much...and slacking on my KZfaq channel making duties...

who?

@@intensellylit4100 3:30

i find fantasy star boring. Guess that's why I have moved on to games like oblivion and skyrim

Because Phantasy Star is actually fun to play and has a better plot than FF7? If nothing else FF7 stole Aerith death from PS2 and PS4. So yeah if you played the Phantasy Star series you basically played better rpg than FF7, even Phantasy Star III is slightly better than FF7

BluBoulzor Well you are entitled to be wrong. Fantasy star is ass. But thanks for playing we have no prizes for you.

chaos120m Skyrim is so innovative they pumped their logo from FF4 easy type title screen.

Because.... opinion?

Yeah, turning up battle speed and text speed to max is something I would recommend doing the second you get control. I think the defaults were setup to try and make it all a bit less overwhelming to people new to RPGs. The game might have benefited from having a couple of pre-selects when you select a New Game, rather than expecting people to dig through the config screen of the menu. There' also the option to change the Active Time Battle system to, well, Active (or Wait) instead of the default which is kind of a hybrid inbetween the two. When its set to Active, the battles won't effectively pause at all when you're selecting things in the menus or performing moves, and that goes for your enemies as well as your own team. Whilst that makes it harder, you'll spend a lot less time waiting and can pre-select your characters moves whilst other actions are taking place. It's perfectly fine not to like the game of course, this is just to say that one of the main critiques of a game given here is something that can at least be adjusted quite easily without hacks or cheats. Speaking of, if that's not enough, the PS4 port of the PC version has a literal fast forward button, lol. I have to admit to being quite fond of the materia system, in that its so flexible. Which also means it's incredibly open to abuse if you figure out ways to fully exploit it with certain combinations that can effectively make you unstoppable. It was also nice being able to basically full customise all the characters, so you could build a party based on your favourites, as opposed to needing to use ones with the exclusive special abilities you wanted at that point in time.

That was all fine in 1997 but not today. Turn based rpg battles are terrible now unless they are strategy rpg's

@@BrySkye Yeah but to truly become unstoppable with materia like being able to beat the weapons let alone beating Ruby with out being hit. You will need to master, and clone allot of rare materias which takes a astronomical amount of grinding with out a game editor. You also don't get allot of them till later in the game. The fact you can miss some materia and never be able go back to get it kinda sucks.

I wonder for those like me who like the game but don't think it's the best JRPG that ever existed. We are hated by both sides :p

I would say Final Fantasy 2, 4 8, 10-2, 12, 13 to 13-3 are more divisive. But that's because the fanbase has been split up for years. That and the fanbase is fuckin' schizophrenic. Possibly a bit masochistic too.

FF3 was a blast on the NES... Sage and Ninja class anyone? I think the FF3 party was the most godly of the whole series. Sage class can use any magic of the game PLUS has tons and tons of charge meaning they will never ever run out. Ninja was just so freaking broken too. Legendary weapons everywhere, cool secret towns and stuff, plus the biggest baddest coolest airship of the whole series. 3 part final dungeon, damn that was a cool game. If the encounter rate wasn't so high / running away wasn't so hard it would have been just perfect.

BluBoulzor I never played that one cuz I didn't live in Japan.

***** Bro do you even emulate?

yeah Zelda 2 is awesome.

Yes, that would be a good one for next time.

Game Sack ... or Majora's Mask maybe? It has a much better story and it looks nicer than OoT.

CarozQH Well I would be the one to try OoT again. Dave would be the one to try Majora's Mask again.

Game Sack Oh wow, please please please try these games. That'll make this Zelda fangirl happy and interesting to see if you guys have any better opinions on them. Then again, even if you don't, it's still interesting hearing your opinions on these things.

Game Sack Majoras Mask is a game you have to play for a long time to fully appreciate it, unlike OoT, which is just too generic in my opinion.

I think it would be awesome if someone cleaned the original up and made it HD first!

Yeah Sega probably should have done a sequel on the Dreamcast... or any time since really.

check phantasy star online. that ran on the same engine.

Where did you go?

Absolute Absol Verdict?

Wasn't expecting somebody to actually respond. Still don't like it. To me it's boring, has shitty controls, and is just very underwhelming for being called the greatest first person shooter ever. There were better shooters before it and there are better shooters now. Everyone goes crazy over how amazing the multiplayer is, yet it's just basic split screen. I don't get it.

Absolute Absol To each his own. I had no problem with the controls and up to that point, movie licensed games tended to suck outside of the arcade, so it was actually cool to play a good one. But like I said, different strokes.. At least you gave it another try.

dfm Don't Fear Music It's far from the greatest fps ever but I did enjoy the variety in missions depending of difficulty. Just out curiosity, what are the shooters that came before it that are so much better? Outside of the typical quake/ doom response

Never heard anyone say they hated Golden Eye when it was new

And FFVII, metalhead. Even if it's not your favorite Final Fantasy game, the idea of someone not liking it seems utterly&#160;implausible.

+Agent J007 Gaming I was never a big fan of turn based RPGs, though I have given a few a chance. I never really ever got into the FF franchise going back as far as SNES. While I don't dislike FFVII, I'm not into it because of the genre it fell in.

Kenneth Ayoob ya the game opens up after that and becomes epic

Thanks!

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***** They should buy one with all the money they make from being world famous KZfaqrs.

Jag Doom would be among the best, but it doesn't have music

I disagree, I think FFVII's materia system allows for all kinds of exploitation and combinations. But I do think FFVIII is pretty awesome as well.

12ealDeal i don't like FF8 at all, i even played through it to the final disc. i didn't like squall or rinoa. to me Laguna was the best character in the whole game

Marty Ruiz A lot of people don't like FFVIII. My biggest qualm was not being able to skip GF summon animations (properly junctioning characters makes GF summoning obsolete most of the time though). Laguna was pretty hardcore, especially when you read into his backstory. You don't like FFVIII though? What did you think of the REAL big twist involving Rinoa and Ultimecia?

the twist as in ultimecia being future rinoa??? pretty crazy tbh... but i remember me and my friend trying to figure out the whole story of FFX just based on our thoughts of the game and shit you'll be going through loops and end up confused at the end

Marty Ruiz Oh yeah, I thought that was an incredible bit to put in there. I'll be honest too, I had no clue what was going on in FFVIII either when I first played it (I was 12). What did you think of FFX as a whole?

sofakingimmature because there is a fucking option menu in the game that says battle speed. You don't need prior knowledge or a guide to figure out a options menu.

You shouldn't have to immediately mess with the options menu though, that is a sign of a poor game usually. Also if you speed it up you're just playing a slow game faster than you're mean't too, it's not really fixing the situation. It's the equivalent of saying a movie is boring, & telling people to watch it on fast forward as the solution

you should check out doom 64 EX is basically a pc playable version of doom 64 with gzdoom like tools :)

Yes! I really did enjoy the music on the 3DO version. I don't remember the game itself but I must have rented it because I have a few of the tracks recorded onto MiniDisc, of all things. The music also makes an appearance at the end of this vdeo.

Yeah the first Zelda is not an easy game. It takes tons of patients to get through. With the SNES Link to the Past Nintendo made it a bit more friendly and a lot of fun.

It's the lack of a good map that did it for me. Same problem with Zelda 2, sort of. I haven't been able to get into Simon's Quest for that reason.

the stupid lake secret and burning a random tree to get to dungeons is what killed it for me

The original LOZ is not as obtuse as people say it is. But, it DOES require the player have the instruction manual, which modern gamers don't understand but that was incredibly common and well-understood at the time. As a PC Gamer, though, you should understand that concept after hearing it. Like PC Games, LOZ came with a map that showed locations and instructions for how to get there.

Leonardo Antonio I was so close to loving gears but the inexplicable lack of a jump button turned me off. sick looking game though!

Dubsy The repetitive gameplay, the color palette (grey, dark grey, brown grey, dark brown grey, black..)and extremely rigid gameplay didn't cut it for me.

Leonardo Antonio judgement is the best because their is more colors

Fluffytaco lol judgement was the worst one

Keith Kemper ...”show me” Classic