The Cell Games Arena being the most competitively viable stage is *also* very much canon...for the same exact reason.

Man, you would be surprised about how competitive BUDOKAI 3 actually is. I'm actually interested in seeing a video about it!

it's insane that this game still has an active competitive scene while it's a ps2 game

I really wish you dived deeper into why cell/17 are the meta picks because, besides the deathbeam, I still have no idea why cell is better than lets say freeza or so

I wouldn't call this a "Deep" dive, since there's so much stuff to cover anyone would need months in order to discover how much depth this game has to offer; other than that, I really enjoyed the video, top notch editing and quality

Commentator Hawk here! I just wanted to chime in on the "virtually every character is Cell" part etc; there are other characters that can compete w/ Cell who aren't high tiers, like Ssj Goku Mid, Super 17, even Salza to a degree (I will die on this hill) but because their tools differ so much from Cell & 17, the key to playing them in competitive is you *have to be great defensively*. Not all characters offer the same tools, henceforth they cannot be treated the same way a high tier normally would. With the aforementioned characters you want to prioritize defence, & only prioritize offence when you have created an opening or the opponent has given you one. So it's pretty much up to the player if you're going to see characters that aren't Cell, 17, Nova, Broly, Future Trunks and what have you. If anyone has any questions, I can answer them here or even in the Anime Games Community Discord. Have a great day!

That 17 attack at 7:41 was FAST AF

Great way to bring the community together collectively , along with other great anime arena games. 🔥

I remember playing to that game everyday after work. 😅 It's my favorite DBZ game. I think I might buy TK4 even if my love for the franchises diminished a bit.

I had an insane amount of fun participating in this tournament. I've been lucky enough to have known and been part of the competitive community for a while, however this was my first tournament :)

Amazing tournament and amazing video thank you so much for keeping the game alive 🔥

Thank you for the overview! I remember dearly the afternoons spent destroying joypads with my friends, and I'm now quite intrigued by the idea of testing my oh-so-rusted skills online!

I'm finding it absolutely Hilarious that a Game as old as Tenkaichi 3 is more Populated then Saitama's OPM Game 💀

Dude thank you so much for making this video. I never put too much effort into trying to get legitimately good at this game when I was younger but even playing it casually I always had a strong feeling that the mechanics had a lot of depth and subtlety.

While that looked amazing, you're right that the meta is absolutely immutable right now. Have you considered running a tournament using the Tenkaichi 4 MOD? It has more characters, different mechanics, and a team that's consistently doing balance patches, making the meta fluid.

i like how people say that the game competitively speaking is bad because its unbalanced, like MVC3 doesnt exist

there is a build of Dolphin called Faster Melee 5.9 with improved netplay and emulation optimization that should improve how this game feels to play online. The SSBM community used it before we got Rollback netplay from Fizzi

This makes me even more hyped for Tk4. As a kid i knew the combat to this game had a lot of depth, i always wanted a sequel after growing up cause as a kid i just couldn't experience this game competitively

im happy u made this vid cause till this day i still play it and its good to see the community grow

I’ve wanted a video like this for so long

Yo new globku video lets gooo

Cool to see this game going strong. I'm excited and hopeful to see what the next game brings

Down the road when I am less busy with life, I plan on joining in these tourneys. Me and 4 other friends sit down on a couch and play this on ps2 together ever since the game came out, so I believe i'll be a top contender, as we learned absolutely everything about the game and each character in that time. When playing competitively, damage isn't always the thing to consider. I find character's blast abilities far more important. What makes cell top tier in my eyes is he has 2 of the best; Afterimage: Get out of jail free if you aren't in the middle of an action (Far better than ssj4 Gogeta's Wild sense, as wild sense is easily dodged and punished) Explosive Wave: An instant "get off me" move costing only a single blast stock. In fact, if against good players, i'd avoid characters with things like Wild sense. If you want to use an afterimage strike ability, only use the ability when your swap character meter is full, or near full, as you will be hopeless after it runs out. Even if I don't participate for some reasons, I at least believe I have a lot of other combo tips, movement tips and much more to offer not mentioned or seen in this video, and how to make some overlooked characters viable with a bit of cheeky tactics. Anyway, good video. I had no idea people still played this and had tournaments

I’ve been looking for this video ha ha thanks for all you did to research this

Grande video! Obrigado por estes videos!

Just the kinda video I needed rn lol

Thank you for covering this.

It's important to note that the BB Kamehameha used as the example at the beginning was uncharged, and therefore not boosted

Used to play competitively, now everything is online and the lag can be a little too infuriating. But as someone who knows the game tech in depth, this game I'd argue has a much higher skill ceiling than fighterz and the fact it's a ps2 game that doesn't get balance patches, it's that much more challenging. It's so odd to me to watch videos of this game on youtube with everyone mashing the square autocombo knowing damn well there's the 99.99% of the iceberg still hidden under that. But I think that makes the game so amazingly good. Scrubs, noobs, pros and veterans alike can enjoy the game, it's accessible to anyone on any skill level

My friends and I used to play this game so much and it was so fun making broken custom characters and then trying to beat each other. I wasnt great but my brother had a like unbeatable custom Tien and after so long my friend finally beat him with a custom Great Ape Baby. It was so glorious.

I would love to watch a tier list video on this game explaining why certain characters are considered good.

Great to see a childhood classic being revitalized. Id love to see someone port it for pc whilst also being online. Id love to play this game with the my friends but none of us have a wii :9. Perhaps one day.

Thanks Globku for keeping this alive

I remember once attending a local tournament, having no experience against actual players, i almost won the first round but lost because i was playing phase 2 Cell against a Metal Cooler (Panicked because we were at our last characters and i tried to drain HP twice with dozens of people watching, so that was embarrassing...). I decided to watch the rest of the tournament, and saw a guy playing Kid Buu and dominating everyone else with him alone. Even though some characters are more preferable than others, i truly believe you can use at least half of the characters in the roster and still have a chance if you know how to play them well enough.

I have a copy of this game. I've had about 3-4 copies in my lifetime. Now only one but it's in amazing condition very clean. Best dbz game ever made

It won't be for a while until I can finish the patch but I'll be doing an SB2 tournament with a mod (Double Npact that has uploads on the Sho Rose channel) aimed to add flavor and competitive balances. It's not as known for reasons as well as the PTSD Budokai veterans experienced from base game, but it's cool and fun and will be good enough for tournaments after I learn some things to make this next patch happen ☺

Back then I would try to find competitive videos of Budokai and Tenkaichi but searching for "Budokai Tourney" would always get me videos of the game's CPU tournament mode

Wait..... WE'RE GETTING A TENKAICHI 4? WHY AM I ONLY LEARNING OF THIS NOW?!

That sounds really nice, I used to main ssj2 teen gohan so I doubt id be competitive but it still sounds fun either way

This just makes me more exited for tenkaichi 4

the GT characters in this game really did it for me, they were so cool, I really hope we get all of them in the upcoming BT4

I was there to experience Tenkaichi 3 online, and 17, gogeta, and Shenron, and Arale were broken af. Shenron had a move that was just an energy wall that you can't afterimage to avoid, it hits you either way. Arale had a move that would lock you in place, and you can't block her supers, gogeta had ki blasts that track you everywhere.

This is pretty interesting, I've always loved Tenkaichi 3 but I never even thought of if it has a competitive scene. Part of why I like it so much is because of how simple and accessible it feels as a fighting game, it's easy to just hop into a match with friends and not feel like there's too big of a skill gap.

from the days when i played this as a kid all i remember is that gogeta was really broken because he could teleport in between attacks around his opponent and the blue guy from the ginyu force had insane combos

Good luck finding a copy of this game. It's retail value nowadays is crazy! Apparently it didn't sell well when it was first imported from Japan, so it's very sought after.

Thank you!

Cell hiding was crazy 😂 I had to rewind it a couple times

Tenkaichi 3 has another mode other than the normal team fight mode, where you choose characters based on their power level or destruction points or whatever they were called, I feel it would be more fun to use that mode for a tournament to see more character variety

damn, now i really wanna get good at this game. it's definitely so much fun when you're a pro at the game

the S android has a sick forever combo that is so easy to pull off I Loved doing it to friends when they though they won

even with the release of sparking zero i believe that the online scene of tenkaichi 3 won't die

I still remember in your Kakorot review how you said BT3 had a way worse battle system than kakarot lol. (A game with way less options and more button mashy)

I remember when I was younger accidentally learning tech on this game but I could never practice online because I had Clear Internet (yes that’s how long ago it was) and it was really laggy but I felt confident enough to fight

It’s funny seeing these type of ppl going through these combos when Ik literally every control in that game sparking zero GONE BE LIT

Yo globku! Anyway you can maybe look into the competitive viability of Bleach Versus Crusade? Got into the game recently and the tech seems insane

I've mostly been playing the fan made Tenkaichi 4 lately, super well made

You know something most people wouldn't say they want back in the new one? ALT colors. I love them.

Do you have a video channel or any way I can watch your old streams? I've watched all the tournaments available on your twitch and want more 😂

I really hope they keep and expand on all the interesting and unique aspects from BT3 in 4. Ring out at the World Tournament, Devilmite Beam's variable damage (30,000 damage potential lol), maps with actually functionally different layouts. Truly has the potential to be the greatest, most accurate Dragon Ball experience out there. FighterZ is an amazing game but it doesn't feel at all like DBZ in comparison to the vanish chains and flashy, map-spanning combos of BT3

Great video

I am guessing the usual tourney format is no custom (potara) characters allowed?

I like this sort of content, I'm always curious what competitive games from my childhood look like, reminds me of when you did the clash of Ninja competitive deep dive, would like to see more of this type of content in the future

Tenkaichi 4 will be the game to bring me back to fighting games.

Can't wait to see Sparking Zero. Budokai 1 - Tenkaichi 3 we're my childhood. But I haven't played in years. Just ordered a ps2 and Tenkaichi 3. Hopefully, I can prepare myself before Sparking Zero. Imma be rusty as hell. 😅 (Also got a copy of budokai 1, surprisingly no scratches after all this time.)

Finally people understand how much deep BT3 mechanics are. Same goes for Raging Blast 2.

Just watched this video, I used to play like everyday this game and I was so fucking good at it , didn't know that there was competitive tournaments there 😂

You may want to consider changing the title to be more appropriate for what was covered here.

Wonder if Globku would ever consider doing a video on Blazblue Central Fiction?

I don't know what it is, but I love how this game looks

Where is the almighty Chiaotzu? I used to own everyone with him, and, he's not even on the list? Maybe I should get into this scene....

Great!!

It sounds pretty simple on paper, so I assume it's just a matter of practice. I'm already pumped for tenkaichi 4

I remember hitting people with the Instant Transmission and then spirit bomb with cell. Good times

me and my friends tried the dolphin method, but we found the playing on pcsx2 (either bt3 or the bt4 mod) and having the other connect through parsec made the delay only about 2 or 3 frames(i think)

The AGC discord invite is broken. :( It's a shame, because I stumbled across this video specifically because I want to learn more about the BT3 competitive scene, and having a community full of guides would be such a huge boon. Is there any chance we could get an updated link? Is the server still around? If not, have the info and the guides been backed up someplace?

hate how fucking rare this game is for the PS2, ive been trying to buy it for months.

i really hope The new tenkaichi will no completely change the gameplay, i would even be happy if the gameplay and movement stay the same and i'm talking even about the timings of the animations but idk how shared of an opinion this is

do you have a video on that tier list you showed in the beginning?

Sicilia: Yo Glob, the discord link to AGC is expired.

I'd love to play T3 at a higher level since I love playing fighting games nowadays and obviously loved T3, but I never had resources or anything. The discord link in the description is invalid though, is there a new one? I'd love to join.

Cell is really Perfect.

There is so much tech in this game it's crazy 😂

100x big bang kamehameha gotta be my favorite move or Stardust Breaker

While not player vs player, The Dragon Ball Z League is an amazing AI vs AI fantasy football style league that uses Tenkaichi 3! Its crazy fun doing lots of theory crafting on character builds using the games built in create a character and has different teams every season!

Honestly the pro scene seems like legit DB fights 😂😂

Idk if anyone who was over 5 and played it back in the day was unaware of how to get about a bar of health out of an opponent with just combos. They were easy and with a simple step cancel you can pretty much chain every LP/HP combo in the menu.

I KNEW IT!. I knew i wasn't crazy. I remember how went i was a teenager got into arguments with my friends about who was the stronger character and i always said "Is Broly. Broly is so busted man. This character is brooooken" and they swear i was delusional. How i was lying to myself and how i was going crazy.

Can confirm playing the fan-made Tenkaichi 4 that adds so much including Super characters...Perfect Cell can whoop you in Dragon History, I imagine it reflects from the BT3 competitive scene, ended up beating him in Universe 7 tournament stage with Gogeta SSJ Blue tho

When I used to play bt3 on the wii. I used ssj2 teen Gohan at full power and pulled off a combo of 102 hits

You should see paige he’s the best player in the scene, by far before he joined ppl thought 17 was trash!

l'amour de la france pour dragon ball est incroyable. Tres fier de nos francais trop chaud dans tout les domaines

Now I have an interest in picking up this game competitively lol

Tenkaichi 3? Competitive? I thought it was a pure party game.

It's very competitive with my neighbour

I feel as though most people (that don't live in South America) haven't gotten a grasp on the hit combos. You can literally keep combos going forever if you hit the right buttons and exploit the opponent for an opening. The detail in this game is insane.

Do Budokai 3 and Infinite World next

Playing Tenkaichi with my friends, it was always evident to me that the game had a very high skill ceiling compared to other anime arena fighters. The game has a lot of tricks, quirks and tech that you only learn with practice. You need to learn to take advantage of character states (stuns, blocks, etc), and there's a lot of defensive options for many different situations. It's genuinely not just an amazing anime arena fighter game with tons of fan service, but a pretty solid fighting game as well. Also, it's not entirely true that the devs didn't care about balance. It's just that the balance is also meant to reflect the power level of characters in the series. Thus, each character has an assigned value depending on their power, and for competitive play, there is a mode where the game gives you a limited amount of points, as a type of currency, to choose your characters based on their power, allowing you to balance between choosing many weak characters or a couple of very strong ones, or anything in between. It's much deeper than most give it credit for IMO.

they don't know the hidden tech dragon ball characters have. Wish I saw more fusions from actual merging of two characters. You get both their stats as opposed to a "raw pick" of say, gogeta.

I'm curious why there was little to no mention of Broly being he's the other character in S tier

I like to imagine that the real reason they chose the "Cell Games Arena" was because its thematically appropriate.