GM & Honda Are Fueling Change With Hydrogen Fuel Cells

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GM and Honda have been collaborating for years to develop hydrogen fuel cells and these efforts are finally yielding results. Production of hydrogen fuel cells has begun at their jointly run Fuel Cell System Manufacturing facility in Michigan. The project which began in 2017, is a joint venture between the two automakers and aims to produce hydrogen fuel cells for passenger cars and large commercial trucks. Although it is still in the early days for fuel cells, the partnership is a significant step towards a cleaner future.
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@terenceiutzi4003 4 ай бұрын

GM made the fuel cell used on every space flight but gave up of fuel cell cars in the 60s becausevit was unsafe to store Hydrogen!

@ALMX5DP 5 ай бұрын

Glad there is still some interest and investment in hydrogen. Battery electric vehicles may dominate the consumer market but I believe that there will need to be complimentary technologies for the commercial or industrial sectors.

@dextersayson2813 5 ай бұрын

Actually plug in hybrid hydrogen fuel cell EV is a combination of both. You can do 50/50 or 25/75. 25% battery and 75% fuel cell. Battery will move vehicle while fuel keep charging the battery statically.

@xpurpled 5 ай бұрын

EVs are gonna die out imo

@Gameplay-3D 5 ай бұрын

I think hydrogen is gonna win out over electric unless vehicles can be charged by a hydrogen engine on the go. So no need for time wasting charge stations.

@dextersayson2813 5 ай бұрын

@@Gameplay-3D it is, if plug in hydrogen fuel cell EV. You use battery for the first 50 km driving then fuel cell engine will start charging the battery. If you only drive less than 50 km per day then you don't even use the fuel cell engine.

@JoeyBlogs007 5 ай бұрын

LOL. Some but not much. Not much at all. Never will be.

@jjamespacbell 5 ай бұрын

The bigger problem is that Hydrogen now costs $35 per kg 5 kg per fill up = $175 for less than 300 miles of range in a vehicle with no cargo space due to the enormous fuel tanks. Compare that to

@johnlopez6401 4 ай бұрын

Using it to replace gas generators where possible and to power charging stations may far outpace automotive use. Obviously they're meant to be clean alternatives to that diesel tanker you're thinking of.

@jjamespacbell 4 ай бұрын

@@johnlopez6401 Hydrogen generated by electrolysis "Green Hydrogen" results in 70% energy lost, nearly all the other colors of hydrogen are created from conversions of fossil fuels that create more emissions than burning the fossil fuel directly. If you need to transport the hydrogen this gets even worse.

@johnlopez6401 4 ай бұрын

@@jjamespacbell Green Hydrogen is from renewables. So what if they lose 70% of the energy. Once they create enough energy to offset the impact of the solar panel / battery production, it's all free and clean, right? It's grey hydrogen that uses fossil fuels.

@jjamespacbell 4 ай бұрын

@@johnlopez6401 If hydrogen from renewables is used to replace hydrogen from fossil fuels it is great. The problem is when you use it for cars the energy lost could have been used directly replacing fossil fuels and the delivery of the hydrogen takes 16 times as many diesel trucks as if they delivered diesel.

@Johny40Se7en 4 ай бұрын

That won't always be the case. Plug in EV's had similar issues earlier on. Here in Britain anyway...

@docohm50 4 ай бұрын

You buy a hydrogen car you're on a leash. You can only go where there's a fill station. In CA it's $60 to go from 10% to a full tank and that gives you a 272 mile range($4.50/gallon equivalent)

@jjamespacbell 4 ай бұрын

My hydrogen car owning friend tells me it is $35 per kg and it takes 5 kg for a complete fill or $175 90% of that is >$150 not $60, Their are so few stations that you need to wait for at least 4 people ahead of you so 20 minutes at least.

@NguyenVinhHang 5 ай бұрын

Yay faster option is hydrogen. It would be cool to see Toyota joining in with Honda and GM, powerhouses 😊

@JoeyBlogs007 5 ай бұрын

LOL Go look at the data. Hydrogen is a joke.

@ChicagoBob123 4 ай бұрын

Faster how? No hydrogen stations you can't charge at your home. Clean hydrogen is scarce. The price of hydrogen is triple that of gas.

@brushlessmotoring 4 ай бұрын

As fast as battery swapping?

@ChicagoBob123 4 ай бұрын

@@brushlessmotoring who wants someone elses battery? The concept does not work in the US. The concept that you never really own your car. Fast DC Charging is just a few years from being crazy fast. If it gets to be less than 20 minutes to take off its very acceptable.

@waylonk2453 4 ай бұрын

@@ChicagoBob123 You got a laugh out of me! It's like rolling the dice on how many gallons of gas the pump is willing to dispense. Seems like battery swapping is fertile ground for the tragedy of the commons.

@dianewallace6064 5 ай бұрын

Thank you for this content.

@leshigger6517 4 ай бұрын

if you can't charge it the cell is worthless.... they have closed the one H charging station here.

@steelcom5976 5 ай бұрын

Ever seen a hydrogen explosion? They wouldn't be able to find one of your molecules.

@brushlessmotoring 4 ай бұрын

Where will the green hydrogen come from? How do we decarbonize the _existing_ hydrogen production? You asked all the wrong questions. The fuel cells are not the issue - although their efficiency isn't that great, it's better than a combustion engine, but the problem is where does the hydrogen come from, and can we afford to use 3 to 4 times as much renewable energy on making hydrogen when don't have a green enough grid already?

@Brian-om2hh 5 ай бұрын

They won't have much luck selling anything that runs on hydrogen in the UK, as Shell UK are de-commissioning all their hydrogen assets here. That will leave around 5 hydrogen filling points in the *whole* of the UK......

@JoeyBlogs007 5 ай бұрын

Yep this whole report is a joke.

@waylonk2453 4 ай бұрын

The outlook for the UK seems pretty bleak then, as there's not much solar to speak of either!

@martinhammett8121 2 ай бұрын

At $36 dollars a kg itll cost you a fortune to run !

@leegoodman297 5 ай бұрын

There are several key issues that no one yet has overcome with Hydrogen, cost is king and separating Hydrogen from water is very energy intensive, followed by compressing it for storage which also consumes a large amount of energy. It's way less efficient than simply charging a battery, so hydrogen will inevitably cost a lot more per mile. Then there's the safety implications, typically the tanks in the vehicle are pressurised to 700 bar, that is a worryingly high pressure, hydrogen is atomically the smallest atom and will leak out of pretty much anything. Remember the helium balloons you get at parties, even with aluminiumized plastic the helium defuses straight through in a matter of days. And hydrogen would only leak faster. This is why no automaker has managed to sell more than a handful of fuel cell cars to date. The infrastructure required to support them is also much more expensive to install compared to a bunch of chargers.

@Brian-om2hh 5 ай бұрын

The cost of maintaining the infrastructure alone will be considerable, because of the huge pressures involved, and the need for customer safety etc. Guess who'll pay for all this?...... These folks who somehow seem to think that hydrogen is the Holy Grail, and will provide cheap and convenient fuel, may end up disappointed. Once the big oil companies get their teeth into it, and begin controlling the production, distribution and pricing, we'll be right back where we were before......

@franktielemans6624 5 ай бұрын

At least one person here who't awake. Every physicist laughs at hydrogen cars

@dextersayson2813 5 ай бұрын

Use hydrogen only if you drive more than 50 km. If you drive less than 50 km per day going to work and groceries then use battery only. If less than 50 per km day for 30 days you will never going to use hydrogen. Hydrogen is a backup to charge the battery if you ran out of juice.

@JoeyBlogs007 5 ай бұрын

It will never take hold in the market. More hype. This story will be the same in a decade from now. Meanwhile EVs with batteries will have 75% of new car sales

@hehawseve3560 5 ай бұрын

@@JoeyBlogs007 Lmao, you have high hopes if you think EVs are gonna take over anytime soon. With current technology I'd be very surprised if EVs are really even a thing in 10 years. 3 big automnakers have already given up on them, and they have so many problems that people are only now figuring out. That said, without some major advances, hydrogen cells ain't it either. Way too many cost, production, and safety issues, and that that doesn't even touch on infrastructure to maintain them. I doubt ICE cars are going anywhere, anytime soon.

@kazemi88 5 ай бұрын

This is amazing!

@JoeyBlogs007 5 ай бұрын

Not at all. More rehash.

@abdul-hakambhatti1210 5 ай бұрын

In countries with existing natural gas pipelines, you can just install hydrogen gas production at key points and feed in to existing lines, replacing cng and lpg, thats what I think.

@martinhammett8121 2 ай бұрын

You cant run hydrogen through the same system as natural gas ran through, hydrogen would leak out everywhere, It would attack all the metal parts you have to use Stainless steel high pressure fittings

@JoeyBlogs007 5 ай бұрын

LOL Is all I can say. Oh and they are way too late. The game is over.

@MasterIvo 4 ай бұрын

60kw is around 80,5 hp. that is one big unit. heavy. and that is only the generator. not with the fuel included. with so many years of expertise, it does not look promising for the aviation industry.

@GreenBlueWalkthrough 5 ай бұрын

Does anyone else find it funny theiyare calling as much as I love it Hydrogen FCs zero emisiion? Like don't they realize it emits water and that's a great thing? But Yeah Hopefull we'll now see more research into afordble hydrogen production now that these guys are in the race!

@JoeyBlogs007 5 ай бұрын

Yep this whole report is a joke.

@TapesNstuffS 5 ай бұрын

If hydrogen power grows for the commercial markets, hydrogen production could go higher scale, lowering the price and increasing availability through new infrastructure helping improve the viability of consumer hydrogen cars.

@JoeyBlogs007 5 ай бұрын

HFC wont happen on mass, except perhaps in long route aviation.

@patrickmckowen2999 5 ай бұрын

I remember following Ballard, how many years ago, i was starting to think we were going to see back to the future Mr Fusion 1st🤣

@PhilipX2030 5 ай бұрын

@3:15 - Michael Bearman does not say where this Zero Emissions Hydrogen comes from, or the logistics of delivering (assuming) LH2 to 'remote charging locations'

@Brian-om2hh 5 ай бұрын

Exactly..... The hydrogen won't simply appear at the filling points by magic. And there's the issue of all the Co2 produced by the delivery tankers, so no advantage over fossil fuel there. And the irony is that *all* hydrogen filling points will need an electricity supply........ And there's the cost of what will be the considerable maintenance required, because of the huge pressures involved in the storage and filling systems.

@JoeyBlogs007 5 ай бұрын

@@Brian-om2hh Yep this whole report is a joke.

@ArielBatista 5 ай бұрын

Issues are more of how the hydrogen is made. There is no real green hydrogen in mass.

@Gameplay-3D 5 ай бұрын

Where I live they are stating a project of building hundreds of wind turbines to power a hydrogen production facility. So a greener solution is on its way.

@hehawseve3560 5 ай бұрын

@@Gameplay-3D Wind energy is not remotely green nor effective enough for mass adaptation. It's absolutely horrible, honestly.

@Gameplay-3D 5 ай бұрын

@hehawseve3560 is it really? The wind here never stops so I figured that would be an easy and efficient energy maker. What causes it not to be green?

@hehawseve3560 4 ай бұрын

@@Gameplay-3D On smaller scales it isn't terrible, but it doesn't really scale well. It takes too much space to generate too little power, they kill migrating/rare birds, not to mention the production and disposal is a very real issue. It's better than fossil fuels in some ways, but not good enough to be a long term solution unless technology makes some pretty major leaps.

@IndianaDiy 5 ай бұрын

Unfortunately this technology will take time to implement. And yet we had engines for years but the designs were not put into use because of big oil and auto manufacturing would loose business. Opposed piston engines still would be better fewer moving parts, better fuel economy, list goes on ,etc.

@JoeyBlogs007 5 ай бұрын

Its on the never never backburner

@RookieL021 5 ай бұрын

I'd be thrilled to see diesel generators used in outdoor events replaced by fuel cells. Diesel generators are loud and the exhaust stinks.

@brushlessmotoring 4 ай бұрын

I agree with this, but if the hydrogen used isn't green it doesn't solve the CO2 problem, even it it does solve the tailpipe issue.

@designsquared9372 2 ай бұрын

GM did this 20+ years ago successfully. Vehicles on the road. Nothing new here.

@ToneGuruLA 4 ай бұрын

2024 and GM is still betting on hydrogen. Proving once again that desperation has a logic all its own.

@LionPerfeKt 17 күн бұрын

The future... legitimate tech

@corneliogarcia6812 2 ай бұрын

👍👍👍

@A3Kr0n 4 ай бұрын

The desperation is reaching a crescendo. It's about growth and business as usual.

@ahaveland 5 ай бұрын

Unfortunately it makes no sense to waste primary electrical energy on making secondary elemental hydrogen that needs to be stored and transported at 10,000 psi, to then make tertiary electrical energy from a huge pressure vessel feeding a fantastically expensive fuel cell to then drive motors after losing 80% of your original energy in conversion/compression efficiencies. There are no viable applications of this technology for small transportation, especially as battery tech is accelerating, and cost per kWh will fall less than $55 in 2-3 years. Even shipping and aerospace applications may become unviable. Investors beware of snakes bearing oil.

@huntsbychainsaw5986 5 ай бұрын

You're experiencing the Dunning-Kruger effect, friend.

@ahaveland 5 ай бұрын

@@huntsbychainsaw5986 How cute, you use a phrase like a pigeon with a chess piece in its beak with no idea what it's for! I majored in chemistry/physics and make battery packs for years and drive an EV. Can't beat the laws of thermodynamics dude. You put 100 % electrical energy in by electrolysis, then get about 20% it out of a fuel cell. These aren't good conversion efficiencies. Only makes sense to make H₂ from a dump load if you have to curtail solar/wind production and have nowhere to put the energy.

@brushlessmotoring 4 ай бұрын

@@ahaveland smart grids and chargers solve the curtailment problem too, have EVs on standby ready to take the extra load.

@Ismschism 3 ай бұрын

Mobile charging station looks like free copper to me

@dextersayson2813 3 ай бұрын

No. You need 500 km extension cord. Mobile charging station will be powered by hydrogen.

@garrett6064 3 ай бұрын

I like Toyota's water engine better. More moving parts but no hydrogen storage and less expensive.

@huntsbychainsaw5986 5 ай бұрын

Finally, an energy storage technology that has the potential to be viable for transportation. Battery EV's are still decades away from being viable in the real world.

@martinwoollett8468 5 ай бұрын

ha ha ha

@Brian-om2hh 5 ай бұрын

You may have a problem convincing the millions of people already using EV's. They like the convenience of being able to charge at home, for way less cost than using established commercial filling points. Many also get free "fuel" from their solar panels. You can't get any of this with hydrogen. There is also the fact that hydrogen will *have* to be transported to all the filling points. Electricity requires no transportation.

@Gameplay-3D 5 ай бұрын

I totally agree. Where I live electric vehicles would be complete garbage unless they could get some decent mileage and be able to move some weight( something an electric vehicle is totally incapable of).

@brushlessmotoring 4 ай бұрын

Towing needs work, and likely electified trailers, but all other uses are fine. The viable future for electric vehicles is here today. It's Hydrogen that is still many decades away.

@Gameplay-3D 4 ай бұрын

Here in canada where air pollution is hardly even existent there's no real reason to have either. We produce 1.5 percent of the world's air pollution per year. Anything we would do to produce less air pollution is gonna be like putting a bandaid on a cut off leg. Lol. Unless the major polluting countries change then what we do here isn't changing anything besides bleeding its inhabitants dry because of carbon taxes.

@nonamespls3468 5 ай бұрын

85M might be alot for us average people, but for this nah. I think it's just one of their science project that moght not come to fruition ever. Isn't hydrogen like super explosive? so if I crash my car, will it explode? Let's just make our cities like Tokyo where so so less cars, and public transport is so easy, we'd definitely cut off a lot of co2 emissions.

@vlamnire 5 ай бұрын

Easier to fit existing gas stations with hydrogen than chargers. This can work

@ChicagoBob123 4 ай бұрын

You know Shell just closed its hydrogen stations for lack of business.

@brushlessmotoring 4 ай бұрын

No. Not even slightly, completely different infrastructure required, costing millions of dollars per single hydrogen nozzle, you can put in 50 fast EV DC chargers for the same money and get 10 times as many cars through, and you only need to meet 10% of the charging needs, as 90% is done at work, hotel, retail or home AC charging. Hydrogen is actually pretty slow per car if there is a lineup, despite what they claim, DC charging can actually be faster.

@waylonk2453 4 ай бұрын

@@brushlessmotoring It sounds hyperbolic to claim millions of dollars for a single hydrogen hookup. Maybe you're right, but it sounds an order of magnitude off to me. They'll need a pressurized tank, some fittings, valves, and a regulator. A controller of some sort to keep track of fuel dispensed and remaining supply. No million-dollar mystery tech required.

@brushlessmotoring 4 ай бұрын

@@waylonk2453 not my numbers, this is from the hydrogen folks themselves, and from Shell too. KZfaq doesn't like links, so search Hydrogen Station Costs and Financing

@brushlessmotoring 4 ай бұрын

@@waylonk2453 it's easily searchable.

@chopperking007 5 ай бұрын

With fuel cells be more dangerous than batteries in a crash ?

@SteveMichael 4 ай бұрын

You do realize that most people right now are driving around with highly explosive gas tanks right? If you don't understand go research the 1977 Ford Pinto. This isn't an issue.

@Johny40Se7en 4 ай бұрын

Wonderful collaboration. Well done GM & Honda, truly best wishes to your teams with all of this 🙂😉 Plug in electric are a stepping stone like Hybrids were before it. Hydrogen or some other advanced technology. is the future. Battery EV's have so many batteries which are often mined in appalling conditions, so there's nearly always ethical issues. And those materials are finite. Then there's the end of life recycling of all those batteries... When an hydrogen filling station is running on renewables and doesn't need tanker trucks to bring in hydrogen, it's wicked. Those are the ones that need to be invested in. Less than five minutes to fill the tank and getting a wicked range is always so much better than waiting over half hour for crappy batteries to charge. I will never do that, it's retarded 🥴👉

@leventsl 5 ай бұрын

Propane makes more sense...zero carbon is silly.

@PhilipX2030 5 ай бұрын

@5:27 'Not one has failed yet'... does not draw confidence. Speak on thousands of hours of continuous use..

@mathewmccourt2887 5 ай бұрын

Toyota Mirai requires 6kg of hydrogen. By electrolysis this would require 300kw of energy. Hydrogen as a road transportation fuel is utter nonsense.

@Kevin-4 5 ай бұрын

The pyrolysis of methane approach has achieved 1kg of hydrogen at 18kw: 6kg @ 108 kw. I support all innovation, hopefully battery tech will continue improving range, cold weather performance, charging times, reduced mining and mineral usage. I'm not saying H is the answer, nor do I feel EVs will be the top option if we continue to innovate.

@JoeyBlogs007 5 ай бұрын

Add to that the cost of hydrogen production and transport, along with expensive equipment. Makes zero sense. Battery tech is evolving much faster, so there will be near zero market for hydrogen. They already have a 600 mile battery pack and super fast charging will be everywhere long term. Plus you can charge EVs at home. The game is over.

@waylonk2453 4 ай бұрын

@@JoeyBlogs007 "The game is over" sounds like a line from an EVangelist sermon.

@jemima_brown 4 ай бұрын

kW (kilowatt) is not a unit of energy. Do you mean kilowatt hours (kWh)? Are you outright dismissing the possibility of hydrogen-powered road transportation due to means being currently unavailable? That would be rather foolish. Until around 30 years ago, batteries were not very practical for most traction needs. Is it not conceivable that scientists will find a more energy efficient way to produce hydrogen (and safer ways to transport it?

@mathewmccourt2887 4 ай бұрын

Apologies yes I meant KWh. My point is that electrolysis of hydrogen is very energy intensive. Obtaining hydrogen through steam reforming of methane is less energy intensive but produces a lot of CO2. If scientists can find a better way to split water then fine but at the minute the fundamental amount of energy required to split a single mole of water is 237KJ, then throw entropic losses, electrolyser inefficiencies, transportation costs and volatility into the mix it just doesn’t make sense. There are better ways of using energy.

@BTC909 5 ай бұрын

Doesn't make sense in the passenger market. Heavy truck, train, industrial, power storage sure. These companies will need to fight (lots of money) against local utilities to allow microgrids to sell Fuel Cell Backup Storage.

@huntsbychainsaw5986 5 ай бұрын

You're entirely incorrect.

@Kevin-4 5 ай бұрын

They have passenger vehicles and stations in Cali already. Just as battery tech in EVs has advanced in the past decade, advances can be made here to also make it a viable solution. It may take longer but unless strides can be made in EV range and charging speeds, there will be a need for faster fill ups which H can provide. Less Battery capacity needed, less mineral usage with existing electric motor tech, but I support innovation and options.

@BTC909 5 ай бұрын

"Shell, a major player in the energy industry, has quietly abandoned its plans to construct 48 new light-duty hydrogen filling stations in California." 9/19/23@@Kevin-4

@Kevin-4 5 ай бұрын

@@BTC909 Currently, with the cost of producing viable H for use, I'm not surprised a conglomerate whose #1 focus is the bottom line for their investors would reverse course. As innovations occur, production cost decline and profit margins increase, we could see them or others revisit an investment, but at this time it's not profitable for them. As long as the drawback in EVs continue (Range/ReCharge/Cold Weather/Mining Resources) exploration into alternative fuels will continue and maybe innovations can make them a viable option... still not close, but I also don't want us to stay complacent.

@JoeyBlogs007 5 ай бұрын

Virtually nobody wants hydrogen. They cant charge at home anyway. Useless.

@franktielemans6624 5 ай бұрын

So they build electric cars, but 3 times less efficiently. Okay

@Zedinator593 5 ай бұрын

Looking at the pace of hydrogen development it does not look promising.

@Brian-om2hh 5 ай бұрын

Exactly. General Motors were singing the praises of hydrogen back in the 80's......

@aoca3817 4 ай бұрын

Typical corrupt car companee's. Trying to flogg off massive sized hydrogen electrolsys unit's, when all's they need is water splitting H2 O2 sparkplugg's & hardened piston head's.

@palm1231 4 ай бұрын

hydrogen is the energy of the future and will always be! :-)

@waylonk2453 4 ай бұрын

Two thumbs up for H2!

@Wilem35 2 ай бұрын

Stupid Car companies, clueless.

@Jackolivierbo 5 ай бұрын

What a joke 😂 !

@JoeyBlogs007 5 ай бұрын

Hydrogen has no future in passenger vehicle technology.

@JoeyBlogs007 5 ай бұрын

It's not huge news. It's vapourware.

@mikafiltenborg7572 4 ай бұрын

Hydrogen fool cells 😂😂

@MaxRamos8 5 ай бұрын

HICEV, Hydrogen combustion Engine is the way to go, not the stupid hydro fuel cells or electric

@Brian-om2hh 5 ай бұрын

Why would you want an engine with thousands of moving parts to wear out or break, which still needs regular servicing and replacement of parts to function correctly? An EV typically has around 30 moving parts. By comparison, a Tesla has no scheduled service intervals..... And the irony is that *all* hydrogen filling points will need an electricity supply to function....

@JoeyBlogs007 5 ай бұрын

LOL 🤣🤣🤣 Way to go ? Go back to school.

@TheBarnestah 5 ай бұрын

@@Brian-om2hh Flip side. You have a small prang in an EV. Good chance of a total right off. A complicated engine as we have now. Much of the rest of vehicle can be fixed. I'm not saying either way one is better as such. But as ever there are 2 sides to every story.

@waylonk2453 4 ай бұрын

I drive a manual and like vroom sounds too. It'd be interesting to see if a new type of mechanical engine could be developed to better suit H2 combustion. My bet's on H2 for the future.

@neilcarter77 5 ай бұрын

Hydrogen is a much better option than EV, trash vehicles!

@Brian-om2hh 5 ай бұрын

Er, it isn't....... The Toyota Mirai can only manage around 23% efficiency. That's worse than most ICE's.....An EV is around 80 to 90% efficient. Which EV did you try that you felt was trash?

@JoeyBlogs007 5 ай бұрын

"much better" ??? LOL 🤣🤣🤣 Way to go ? Go back to school.

@waylonk2453 4 ай бұрын

I agree. If the battery EV isn't garbage from the factory, it will be before 100,000 miles. Time to throw it away and get a new one!

@jamaalstrength1894 2 ай бұрын

Hydrogen is better than electric.

@ChicagoBob123 5 ай бұрын

Hydrogen a waste of time. Where are the hydrogen stations you paid for? Where is the low cost storage? Hydrogen is a waste of energy and time.

@user-ti3pd9uv2t 5 ай бұрын

charging your testa if possible in cold weather thats a waste of time also waiting for a tesla to charge thats a waste if time 😂😂😂😂

@ChicagoBob123 5 ай бұрын

@@user-ti3pd9uv2t not sure what kind of false facts you have. I drove 80 miles a day and charged in -20 and -10. No big deal. I was warm as toast driving back and forth.

@owenoj 5 ай бұрын

Battery technology is not there yet. We took what we have, improved it a little and shoved it into a car. The prototype batteries that are still in labs being further developed will crush the batteries we have today. The amount of lithium needed to make batteries is also ridiculous. It takes a DIESEL truck hours to get down into a mine and drive back up. Then it needs refining and shipped across the ocean to get built. Think how many combustion engines there are on the road/in scrap. The most efficient way is to reuse these engines by adapting them to hydrogen. We know we can make hydrogen using standard electrolysis. Yes using renewable energy will help with that. However, there are materials that can split the hydrogen and oxygen by themselves. Just like EV's, just like combustion engines, it requires research and development. 20 years ago we didn't have EV charging points. The thought of it was absurd. However, we have had LPG for a while. It'll only be a matter of time before hydrogen stations become available once the technology is finalised just like everything else was.

@ChicagoBob123 5 ай бұрын

@@owenoj False. (geologists have discovered a massive lithium deposit within the McDermitt Caldera along the Nevada-Oregon border) There are new lithium mines popping up all the time and price is plummeting. CATL the largest battery maker is going to drop their price by 50% by mid year. You never recover the gas you burn but you can recycle the batteries. Redwood tech and others are leading the charge. Hydrogen will never ever be a thing because the stations its inefficient. They use electricity to convert hydrogen to gas then they stuff it in a car and burn it loosing a lot during the conversion to power the vehicle. Hydrogen is also absolutely awful to store. In fact in Ca they are closing the hydrogen stations they had. In less than 5 years batteries will be 3 times faster to charge and hold more power as the tech gets better. Model Y 2023 largest selling car. Outsold Toyota and still does in Ca. New Model 3 is a nice ride.

@rockinbass01 5 ай бұрын

They passed I want to say an 8billion dollar bill to start building hydrogen hubs. Pa oh wv is under the arch 2 project