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When Moses came down from the mountain, he only had 1 commandment from God...... "Don't be an asshole." Priests made up the rest of them.

Dr. Ehrman never fails to crack me up with his delivery. I highly suggest his books too, as he writes just like he speaks. The man is a national treasure.

Professor Ehrman’s delivery is very exciting. 😊 But seriously, thank you Professor Ehrman for your encyclopaedic knowledge of the Biblical text and subjecting the narrative of Moses to a rigorous test. 🙏🏽

I would think pinning down a date for events that never happened would be very difficult.

Bart is one of my absolute favourite Bible nerds ❤

I'm a new fan/subscribers! You folks do incredible work. 👏

Looking forward to seeing you in this course Neal! Bart is a blast!

Awesome, thank you. I can’t help but mention that in the Hawaiian history of the Nu’uanu Battle that most of my life I believed was a myth, tho not as great as this story in the Bible, it has been verified by 800+ skulls that were found at the bottom of the Pali where the battle was. Talk about reality. Thanks and Aloha 🌺

I've wondered why the name of the Pharaoh is not mentioned in Exodus. This is probably the most powerful man in the world at that time. It would be like mentioning the Chancellor of Germany or the President of the USA in WWII by office title only without referring by name to Hitler or Roosevelt.

The serpent was the symbol of everlasting life and healing because it shed its skin, and this can be found in many cultures' way back before the Hebrew bible was written. The serpent curled around a staff is still the symbol of healing and appears on ambulances and hospitals today.

Dr. Bart Ehrman is so knowledgable and quite entertaining as well

I think the serpent on the pole might be esoteric symbolism for the khundalini serpent. I honestly think most of the books are an internal pilgrimage. The Bible mentions that Solomons temple was built in silence without the sounds of construction. There is no evidence for Solomons temple which leads me to believe that the temple is referring to the body and building your temple in silence seems to be referring to meditation in my opinion.

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This November on the 6 day of November 2022 The Vatican will be hosting a meeting called the UN conference global meeting called “Cop27” To me it’s very interesting that they are hosting this meeting in Egypt.

I love Mr Bart!! I am where I am today, largely because Alan Watts, and Mr Ehrman! Now I'm a Neal(ite) 😁 lol

I think the Moses/Exodus story is a conflation of the Hyksos invasion of Egypt and their subsequent departure. You see, the pharaoh that defeated the Hyksos and drove them out of Kemet was Ahmose 1. He was seen as a savior among his people for liberating Egypt from these tyrannical Hyksos. I think that when the Hyksos and other Semitic tribes returned to the Levant, they began retelling the events of their expulsion as a positive event instead of a defeat. And given that the man responsible for kicking them out of Egypt was named Ahmose, it’s not hard to imagine their oral tradition conflating his identity with that a savior figure. Just a thought.

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The best stories were written and preserved for future generations to read and enjoy.

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I just bought his book "misquoting Jesus" so far, it's a great book, it definitely grabbed my attention!

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So far so good! A correction: Barabas is actually Bar Abbas, Bar=Son of, Bar Abbas=Son of Abbas. And there was no such Roman custom of releasing one prisoner to the Jews. So the Bar Abbas bit is questionable. MY line about releasing a prisoner I gleaned this from the book "Zealot" by Reza Aslan. The Bar Abbas comes from other characters in the New Testament, such as Simon Bar Jesus (Son of Joshua [Yeshua/Yoshua]).

I would say to the bible leaders at youth group, that what if it is just Chinese whispers and exaggeration in regards to Moses. I said it could be 100 people but when telling others this story they said “there were thousands” of people or we today say “millions of people” in order to portray a huge number to give awe to an account. I also said that the Red Sea was no where near them but perhaps it was a mistranslation from the “REED” sea, which you could cross on foot over the reeds growing there and the Reed sea was closer, I used to ask many questions at bible class & the teachers would sigh saying I was just playing the devil’s advocate. The leaders said” we know you have questions but we must caution that if you don’t accept theses teachings in your heart and have faith, then you were hit by a bus tomorrow and died, you will go to Hell” I know it was to scare me into now asking questions but it turned me away from faith.

The sacrifice because of our sins just sounds like “we weren’t able to rescue our friend because we were weak”.

Great video Bart!

Didn't an Egyptian find and name Moses? Thats why he was named Moses? 👀🤔

Is it true that the Bible when describing the Pharaoh chasing the Israelites going through the parting of Red Sea, that it never describes Pharaoh going that far but only his army? So the pharaoh is never actually described as drowning, or dying there.

Excellent talk

Great stuff, guys. I was a little disappointed that no one mentioned how the origin of Sargon is almost identical to Moses'.

Want answers from the best modern research? Bart's the man.

This is fire 🔥 great stuff

At one point years ago a news story came out saying that more contemporary findings say that during the so called parting of the Red Sea the area where that event was supposed to have occurred was far different than the Biblical description and the peoples could have walked physically across the described area. A woman stated this news account in my mom’s Sunday School class at which point she was treated as if she were delusional.

This chanel on YT makes me feel noobish - and I like it!

it's allegory, the staff is always the spine, the snake is the Kundalini energy rising up the spine. How come you don't know this??? this is vary well known now.

I can listen to Bart for hours!

The greeks said the Hebrews came from the east but the hyskos came in and helped Egypt but after the Egyptians didn't need them anymore they drove them out. Israeli archaeologists have also said the exodus didn't happen but if the number of people left Egypt they would still be leaving once they arrived. They crossed the reed sea not red sea because hebrew says reed sea. The 2nd expulsion was a religious revolt and i agree with Freud.

Wow watching this again

After convincing me that the Exodus didn't happen it seems superfluous to ask about what happened between God and Moses up the mountain.

This really got me thinking. I first remember reading it was Ramses army who ran in to the red sea crossing and drowned but then it was Akenahten and Moses and witch God is he meeting?

Great discussion, very interesting...

I’m glad im not crazy for making the connect when I compared the Bible timeline with who would have been pharaoh in Moses supposed time in Egypt since the Bible conveniently leaves out the name of certain pharaohs

What about bones? There must be zillions of quail bones alone.

Tell this to Robert Sepehr who can’t grasp this

Hi! I've Seen Your Old Video Regarding The Bible & Its An Eye Opener. Can You Do On The Amalekites Cause A Group Of People Are Saying The Arabs Are Descendant From Them...

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This is such a good point

I think the reason why the people were afraid of the 600,000 chariots was because....they were made of iron.

about dating the hyksos vs exodus.. were they using a sexagismal or decimal system to keep track? and did someone try to "correct" the dates?

How do you know the numbers of people who left Egipt don’t add up if initially you said there’s no historical evidence of that time periods

Thutmoses 3 was probably the Exodus' Pharoah. Hathshepsut was co-ruler with him and later her images were removed because she supported Moses. Thutmose eldest son didn't succeed him on the throne because he died in childhood. This coincides with the biblical plague that killed all the Egyptian firstborn. The Kolbrin Bible's Book of Manuscripts has a section titled The Destroyer that gives an Egyptian account of the Exodus.

Love Dr. Bart

Love this guest.

I pray for all non believers. God have mercy and send your angels to minister to them. Just except Christ as your Lord and savior. Some people will never believe but I'm sure God takes exception to those that are actively teaching people not to believe. I will pray for you.

I'm so glad he mentions Joseph and the Hyksos. I definitely believe this was the source of the Exodus story, as the official Egyptian chronology is 300 years off. There were two Hyksos/Hebrew expulsions, after they were driven out the first time they went and got Nubian mercenaries and came back and took the place over and ruled a large part of Egypt until being driven out again. It is then that the Hebrews established their own country, and during the second period Egypt became multiculturalized.

I would expect Moses to have an Egyptian name ; he was rescued and raised by Egyptians .. so I was wondering why you both were stupidly laughing that he didn’t have a Hebrew name?

It is hard to disapprove a story...it is even harder to disapprove a written story. Especially a story with magic and super naturals... We have many of those in Africa, magical things happening passed from generation to generation. Now imagine if it was written

To me there's something intriguing. Moses takes the golden calf "Burns It" mixes it with water and feeds it to the people. Um. What is it?

And Gnostic Informant knows first hand...he was there.

Jordan Peterson had a interesting take on the Exodus story. It was a phycological slant where the snakes were fears and the people had to look at their fears in order to overcome them. They had been slaves and wanted to go back in some cases. If they wanted to be a fee people they would have to contend with all that freedom means. the good and the bad. Free to prosper, free to starve, Borrowed from a Viking book.

Were the Ten Commandments given in Midian or in the Sinai Desert, next to Saint Catherine's monastery?

Interesting that he claims that they found chariots in the bottom of the red sea. Which is true they didn't find them in the red sea. They found them in the Gulf of Aqaba where the crossing actually occurred. They also found an excellent place for the actual Mount Sinai which is actually called still today the mountain of Moses but it's not in the Sinai Peninsula it's actually in the peninsula of Arabia. There is even a stone there that appears to have been split and water coming out from the base of it in antiquity. But all of these things occurred about 1450 bc, not 1250 BC or closer to 1200 BC as people try and manipulate the Bible into. Because the Bible is not necessarily exact according to its chronological order, and we know this because the Septuagint has different dates and times in it than does the Leningrad codex. Which means that somebody changed the text of the Old Testament between 200 BC and 1000 ad. And it may have been done so to confuse the genealogy of Christ. As for any of these subferonic peoples possibly being moses, that is completely consistent with scripture and its references. Because even Ramses is a version of Moses! So I don't know when this interview was taken, but the evidence for the Exodus does exist it just exists about 200 to 250 years off of what was claimed in biblical scriptures for many centuries now. And the hicksos primarily did occur far before the exodus, but there is fellas of the time, in the middle dynastic era that indicate that they had expelled a group of Hebrews, although by a slightly different name. But they're never going to admit that they actually were able to show up the Powers at b. And the Bible is not really strict on whether or not Ramses was killed trying to catch up with the refugees while crossing the Gulf of Aqaba. But the fact that his choice Army was destroyed would have been just as severe to his reputation. Plus Egypt ran all of the peninsula of the Sinai at the time and it was critical that the Hebrews get out of Egyptian territory. Where in the world did you get the idea that 3 million people was more than the population of Egypt at the time. Even a cursory examination of when they believed that the Great Pyramid was built, which isn't true at all but they have evidence of about 15 to 20 million people living in Egypt at 2500 BC. If there were only three to four million people in Egypt at that time they would not have even been able to keep up the edifices that we know about they would not have had enough people to even keep them going. And we only know about 20 to 30% of what is expected to still be in the area of egypt. Egypt was Far larger, especially when it was known as Khem or Khemet. We have direct knowledge that the pyramids are several thousand years older than asserted by archaeologists because of the ostrich egg in the Cairo Museum that depicts the serpent as the River Nile and the three pyramids that have been etched on it that tests several thousand years before they claim the pyramids were even built. That is direct evidence that they existed at least 5000 BC which puts them about 2500 years older at the very least then these wild ass guesses from people in the early 1800s when archeology was barely more than people running around blowing s*** up and trying to get at how old things actually were. They weren't even able to decipher Egyptian writings yet. Dometic or the hieroglyphs. And then this man with his Harry Potter glasses is complaining about 600 chariots, that's at least 1800 Special Forces at the head of an army that's at least 10 to 12,000 men, going after people who are walking across the desert already and I would Hazard a guess that it's at least double that amount, when you get all of the Infantry and the support troops and everything else that you have to provide. Don't forget that this was the army that was the most capable on the planet at the time. That would be like complaining that the United States did not utterly devastate the Iraqi troops of 200,000 mechanized troops with a mere 30,000 of our own, when we sent in in one battle a single tank got through a fire break and destroyed eight tanks before the other tanks even made the break through the fireline. According to the Egyptians the Pharaoh at the time of the expulsion of the Hebrews was Ahmoses. Which would have placed it in the 1400s, so you're talking about about the 15th century. And a couple of hundred years off for archaeologists irritates the hell out of archaeologists but there's actually pretty good at guessing age. And many of these people actually left and went to several other countries because not everybody stayed with moses. Many of them took off on their own. Remember that the Bible is a book of signs and symbols. The serpent on the stake is a symbol. It's meant to teach them a little bit of Faith because they head up till then only showed faith when they thought it was in their best interest. They have to learn to live in faith at all times. And the evidence at the foot of Mount Moses doesn't indicate 2 to 3 million people. It indicates about 600,000 total. And it could be that that was the only misrepresentation was that it was about 600,000 total which would have only allowed about 70 to 80,000 at best of fighting age. And when you're talking about Barabas and you misrepresent the understanding of what is shown with that story, remember that the word Barabas means son of the father. It's a symbolic incident. The world and yes Christ was crucified outside the city. And the temple was also outside the city. The temple was not inside the city of David. It was actually about 600 ft south of the Dome of the Rock. Right behind where the Western Wall sits today and the Western Wall was never a part and parcel of the actual Temple. There is even a threshing floor at that location. And it's the only place in the area where you can actually grow things and it was originally purchased as a farm. I'd like to see you put seeds out on the Dome of the Rock and grow stuff. There is at least once where Moses sits and speaks with God as if you would speak to a friend, face to face. And many theologist find this insane because they claim that no one can while in the flesh, stand before god. Which is a misinterpretation of the events. Remember these things have been translated at least six times from the original Hebrew into Aramaic and then into several other languages since then. And then we only have the translation from the Leningrad codex which we know to be a corrupted translation because the Pharisees and sadducees, who were not Hebrews or if they were they were basically assigned to their positions by the Romans or by Herod who was a puppet of the Romans anyway, and they needed to usurp the reality of Yeshua, Jesus's Hebrew name, and disturb his lineage. I like the video, as wrong as some of it appears to be, because I also like the gnostics because I think they were the ones who understood the actual reality of Yeshua. I actually am of the opinion that the gnostics had once been what we call the essenes.

None of the world's historians ever repudiated the story of Moses as the Prince of Egypt. He never had a Hebrew name, even God spoke to the man by the Egyptian name of Moses. Now if Moses was just a legend, then historians would have noted the myth factor as early as the time of Solomon's title of 'King of Kings". All the Persian Satraps and all the Arab Kings honored the title of King of Kings, over the Land of Mesopotamia. None of these logical inferences ever suggested that Moses was merely a myth. You should not insult the intelligence of these tribal associations , they had every opportunity to voice to even the best Greek Historians any objective revelations about Moses being a real history or a myth. Historians today cannot get past even the criticism of Marcus Tullius Cicero, who said of "Herodotus" the famous Greek Father of History , "Herodotus was a liar". But nothing by these historians that even Cicero rated as unreliable, ever mentions the story of Moses being a myth or fable. There was an age of Oral Story Telling, before written language arts were popular to the recording of history. But they know that Hercules and Achaemenid were Fables, not real persons. But there was no contemporary biographers proving that Julius Caesar was really a human being who lived, for nothing of the written records exist for at least a hundred years after the time of Julius Caesar, and the most relevant famous Lawyer and Historian , Marcus Tullius Cicero, having lived in the same time as Caesar, never once mentioned Julius Caesar as a human being who actually lived. But the Gods of Rome, at the Altar of Victory, included a image of a man named Julius Caesar, as a God, not as a man, and then Octavian used the name of Julius Caesar as a surname or extra name for himself, as he emerged as Caesar who actually established the line of Flavian Caesars, and was renamed as Augustus Caesar, which means "Father of the Nations " in the Roman Empire ruled then by Flavian Caesars. Also to note Nero Caesar was married to a Jewess, and favored the Jews of Judaism , over the newly made sect of the Christians and persecuted the Christians, at the behest of the Rabbis, of them one was Tiberius Baal, the grandson of Nero Caesar, whose grave in Israel is venerated to this day as a Rabbi in Rome who persecuted Christians, and explains the tradition of Judaism opposing Jesus Christ and advocating the destruction of all Jews who might come to believe Jesus is the Messiah of Israel. The true history you have been prevented from learning, because Cicero told us how historians were liars, and that remains true to this day. It is all given to Political Propaganda, and in the "ICONOCLAST" to break the Cross and destroy the Catholic Church , modernists have taken to repudiate a history to which they have no facts supporting them, except WITCHCRAFT AND SORCERCY.

I'm sure that overall the vast majority of what you're saying is accurate. However, you seem to have overlooked a couple of basic things that would make it easy for one to discredit you. The pharaoh is quoted literally as saying, "The Israelites are now more numerous and stronger than we are." There being more Israelites than Egyptians shouldn't be surprising, it should be expected. It's written right into the story. Also, the pharaoh's daughter found Moses as an infant and raised him as her own. Even if he had been given an Israelite name he wouldn't have been able to tell her, she would have to have named him herself. If you read a story by a white American with a Japanese character named Katsumi, would you conclude it had to have been written by someone from Japan because of that name?

M'SheH ("Moses") had Ma'TeHuW that Aaron threw down but the Egyptians had MaTaH The Ma'TeHuW absorbed, swallowed. In other words M'SheH's staff thrown by Aaron took over and the Egyptians gave their power over to M'SheH. All their conjuring, power, etc worked against the Egyptians from that point on. I mixed this with another verse NaChaSh is not used in this verse but it's another word L'ThaNiYNM... The cover story we have to think of as a children's version and those are three layers to get to the facts.

13:56 I have been obsesaed with the scape goat narrative!! I am pretty sure Jesus is the goat that is sacrificed who's blood is used to anoint and Judas is the Scapegoat that is cast out. its the same Dark knight haha Batman is the Scapegoat Harvey is the Sacrifice to anoint Gotham lol If modern politics has taught me anything take a second look when somebody says "For the Profits obviously." Not to mention Azazel was also the angel castout from heaven right?

How anybody believes the story of the exodus is beyond me.

In the Jewish midrashic tradition it's unresolved whether the Pharoah of the exodus was killed or whether he lived on past that event, regardless of the plain understanding of the text. There are rabbis that hold either opinion.

Wasn't the Bible taken from The Epic Of Gilgamesh? If it was then is the Bible true?

The Bible is a metaphor for spiritual and intellectual enlightenment. If you interpret it literally, you’re not getting it. Its an esoteric hidden knowledge (Gnostic) in the story. It’s a story within a story to illustrate a deeper meaning of something. All the characters in it are personifications or archetypes of others in ancient Egypt. They use symbolism in it. The snake symbolism I believe is the vibrational frequencies of energy. All the characters are fictional. The numbers as in the Bible are numerology, since the New Testament was written in Greek, the ‘word’ is the spoken word. John 1:1 “ In the beginning was the word and the word was with god and the word was god.” And right after that it says ‘Let there be light.” The twelve disc/iple of Jesus is reference to the twelve signs of the zodiac as it portrayed in the photo of the last supper. The disciples of Jesus is grouped in 3 by 4 to get 12 and Jesus the Sun being the number 13. The story is literary, poetic, allegorical, metaphorical. “Many will look with their eyes but cannot see, and to listened with their ears but cannot hear……”

I don't know why anyone debates the timeline of this since nearly all of the OT is contrived.

What is the earliest archeological evidence for Israelites in the land of Canaan?

Is the snake idol related to snake worship in Egypt at the time?

The 600,000,000,000,000, chariots of iron (winter) are the six southern constellations called Libra, Scorpio, Sagittarius, Capricorn, Aquarius, and Pisces. This is also the six nights in Genesis one. This fairy tale is modified when the writers took the first night (libra) and added it to the six "days" to get the sacred seven months of summer. This left winter with five chariots of iron aka Scorpio - Pisces. Rev 9.5, describes these five signs/months that brings us up to the spring equinox. Pharaoh rides in the first chariot (Scorpio) and behind him is Joseph (Sagittarius).

The one thing they didn’t tell you was he didn’t exist.

Doesn't Hicksas mean "rulers from afar"?

When speaking of Jesus crucifixion Jesus didn’t say he came to “fulfill some OT architectural design”, he said he came to fulfill the Law. Well the Law was violated on numerous fronts when it comes to the crucifixion. It wasn’t some OT design that Jesus superseded. Jesus plainly failed the Law.

The Hyksos period and expulsion fits perfectly the time between Joseph and the time of the Exodus which occurs around 200 years later after the death of Joseph and his brothers. The Hyksos were of semitic origin allowing for the rise of Joseph also a semite. The Torah then states that a time came when a new pharaoh came to power (an Egyptian not a Hyksos) that knew not of Joseph (better translated to could have cared less about the historical Joseph) and the Hebrews living in Egypt which were a constant reminder to this new pharaoh of the possible danger to his empire these Hebrews engendered should the Hyksos or another semitic race of peoples decide to try and take back the reins of power from the Egyptian rulers. This threat was not far away but living among them in Egypt itself, therefore the new king of Egypt was determined to quell that threat by enslaving the Hebrews under his rule. Nobody knows for sure who this pharaoh was for he isn't named in the Torah. Some say Ramses II, others Seti 1 and others some other king. I have always doubted it was Ramses II for the time frame simply doesn't fit. Also they did not cross the Red Sea, that is a Christian mistranslation of the text. Jews have always known it was the Sea of Reeds just across from Midian, Moses old stomping grounds for 40 years with his wife and father-in-law Jethro (Reuel).

Genesis is framed up on the template of "The Hero's Journey' like so many other works from antiquity. Humans today have lost the ability to figure them out, instead opting to treat them as real. Like trying to figure out what species of Tortoise or Hare, what they must have believed in etc, never figuring out there is a nested lesson. And it isn't for the theists or the academics. It is only for the soul seeker.

If he had a Hebrew name it wouldn't be very hard to find him would it? You don't remember him being sent down the river to avoid death?

Can we still do that study?

Dr Bart d ehrman wrote misquoting Jesus , great book.

Nicely gleaned with your theories, while raising the interpretations he made of scenarios that you presented (Scapegoat).

The major thing that upsets me about exodus and other OT stories is that they can inculcate supremacist arrogance and entitlement mentality, if you believe them. "God chose OUR tribe. We are unique. Special. Not like you. "

So Moses is a Kemetic/Egyptian name rather than a Hebrew name, but there is absolutely no derivation? 💙

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Using the name of a city cannot give you a date ... think New York or New Amsterdam? The name depends on when the book is being published/edited/updated for the readers.

There was no mention of any name when he was born, so isn't it only logical that it'd be an Egyptian name, Moses, as it was the Pharaoh's daughter who named him?

When I first read John 3:14, I thought it was an allusion to when Moses had snakes that were stiff, but then they awoke when thrown on the ground (turning staffs into snakes.) i.e. I thought it was an allusion to initiation rituals.

Phenomenal interview

Could the name be an anachronism and the name of the city the Jews built be a different name from an earlier time?

I spent some time in Eritrea. People have lived there since they were people. No trash anywhere if you could use it for anything it got picked up.

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Is pharo actually an Egyptian word? I don't think so. There was a guy named pharo over in Yemen though. Maybe you should look for an Exodus out of Yemen. Just because Greek scribes were currently in Egypt when they wrote the story doesn't mean it actually took place in Egypt.

Lots of truth bombs being dropped in this one

Tanakh doesn’t say that the pharaoh in Exodus was Ramses II. It identifies the city they were building as one named for him, but Ramses II renamed many sites and monuments for himself in his long rule. I’m not a Biblical literalist, I’m not claiming it’s true history, but that particular issue isn’t a contradiction. Exodus was simply identifying the city by the name it was known as at the time of its writing.

Bart is the book written Henry C Lea on the Catholic Church and entitled “A History of the inquisition of the Middle Ages”a factual account of these events. If true, I think there would be few Catholics if this was common knowledge.