Greg, this is a terrifically important message and line of inquiry. You are connecting some dots that really need to be connected to stand up against the levelling, hollowing-out, Nehorite interpretations that are so attractive to the rising generations. Connecting agency with differentiation as per 2 Ne 2 and these with hierarchy and GBR or (Logos) in Abraham is profoundly important. This line of thought resonates profoundly with my research and writing in the history of political philosophy and ontology (or the way we understand Being, or the way things are).

Greg, I’ve been watching your videos for awhile now. It’s hard for me to understand a lot of things. I have a humble testimony, but every time I listen to your presentations, I feel a peace come over me. I truly feel that’s the Spirit confirming to me truth. That means a lot as I’m trying to find my way back to the church. Thank you and God bless.

I'm glad someone is talking about the Kolob chapter. It is one of the most ignored pieces of scripture we have, yet it has so many deep lessons and truths embedded in it. Thank you for taking the time talk about it.

Such great inside and wisdom!! Really puts issues of today in perspective. Once again I get frustrated like there’s an empathy, or tip of the cap, towards the woke in the Church by leadership. I wish things were taught like this more to put the Nehors of the Church to rest. Thanks so much!!

Your comments on DBR took me over to Romans 10: 13+. Priesthood is a patriarchal order, its job is to speak the word unto others that they can also receive and then speak them selves. This is first done in the house, parallel/complimentary/supplementary to the matriarchal order, where in both together raise children unto God. Second we reach beyond the house to those outside the family, and further as we are called to minister, according as our talents and abilities allow. So many through the ages miss that a covenant community is not meant to be a closed group, but open and ever expanding. A proper patriarchy is not an authoritarian power mongering structure of false priests and tyrant's, but a priesthood ministering to all.

I'll edit my comment if you end up covering the same ground later in the video, but in the Church we generally understand that people should exercise righteous dominion. However, the moment anything comes up about how a father should lead his family in righteousness everyone falls apart and twists it into, "The Church is saying that men can be abusive and domineering to their wives and children!"

I have never thought about the Patriarchy in this context, but I've always been a big fan of the true pattern of 'The Patriarchy.' The world has corrupted it. Excellent show!!! 👏👏

Thank you Greg, you are a light on the internet when there is so much darkness keep up the good work .Carol

So important to understand. I feel like our modern English communication is devoid of symbolic speech and it makes it really easy for things like this to go over your head if you don’t take the time to study it. Thanks for giving me some help there.

Abraham was describing the ancient order of planets that existed above the earth before the flood. The Book of Revelation is the story of the return of those planets to the earth in a polar configuration, prior to the return of Christ, as described in Abraham 3. The hypocephalus is a star map of that congregation, which is important since we will return to that system during the millennium. The Electric Universe theory (non-LDS) describes what the scriptures are explaining in detail, vindicating nearly everything Joseph Smith said about the cosmos. Their work is available at the Thunderbolt Project.

Love it. I believe listening to Bruce H Porters stuff prepared me best for the temple last year. My understanding of the scriptures and my spirituality has taken off.

Although we hear a lot of DBR on being Peacemakers, I feel the need to take on the role of Gideon, even Captain Moroni. I was raised Catholic with the corrupt doctrine of the Trinity which is held as one of those mysteries that can never be understood. But my catholic mom said that she was told to name me Michael. I am the firstborn of 7 children. Michael the Archangel. It was meant for me to be a sword-bearer. You are a great role model for all of us who have been flattened, so to SPEAK, by being sheepish and nice peacemakers. I am praying for the gift of discernment along with the gift of preaching. Time to sharpen the sword and practice the bow. Thank You, Greg.

Lehi and Abinadi disrupted the hierarchy. Great stuff here

When most of the church is brought down to believe in the doctrine of the Gadiantons. (Helaman 6:38) At that point we no longer serve the God of this land and we will be swept off. We cannot defend law if we don't recognize it or care to learn it. God can not restore our judges as at the first until we learn and love law.

Great video! I really enjoyed it, and learned a few things. One minor correction that doesn't really matter to the overall context, but just for accuracy's sake; Gideon did not chase King Limhi in the Book of Mormon, but King Noah.

Love it l!! DBR. Its in my notes now! Thanks Greg. I found Patriarchy in Helaman as well now that you made me see it! Heleman calls out the Nephites in the rejection of the eternal patriarchy. Helemam 13:38 But behold, your days of probation are past; ye have procrastinated the day of your salvation until it is everlastingly too late, and your destruction is made sure; yea, for ye have sought all the days of your lives for that which ye could not obtain; and ye have sought for happiness in doing iniquity, which thing is contrary to the nature of that righteousness which is in our great and Eternal Head.

Thank you for this program. I'm so glad it's on video because I'm going to be viewing it over and over and over again. It reminds me of how I used to read Elder Maxwell's talks. You do a wonderful job of explaining complicated topics in a simple enough way that with some studying they can be understood to some degree.

Fabulous episode Brother Matsen! Thank you for your research and insights. I'm going to have to listen to this again.

I really appreciate your teaching this. It really educated me. I’ll watch this again and again to fully absorb it. Thank you.

This is amazing. I’m going to have to listen more than once! I’ve actually been studying both the Pearl of Great Price as well as that Who Shall Ascend to the Hill of the Lord? book that you briefly mentioned, so this was a very timely episode for me. I feel the Pearl of Great Price was very much neglected in my education, and I’m grateful for your knowledge. Thank you!

So we beat around the bush a bit there, but basically… Kolob is a reference or symbol of Christ yes? Nearest to God, governs all other stars, etc. So when we sing of hieing to Kolob we’re actually singing of coming to Christ. “If we could come completely to Christ in the twinkling of an eye, & then continue onward at the same speed, could we find out when Gods began to be?” Essentially teaching the doctrine that even if we came to be perfected in Christ in an instant, we will never discover when Gods began or where matter ends because everything is one eternal round & God’s works have no beginning or end.

Wpw thank you. I will listen to this many times over. Learned so much just listening this first time. I never understoodabraham like this. Thank you for helping to open my eyes!

This is prob my favorite. Thanks for the great study and connecting those dots! Exciting truth.

Can't thankyou enough...your podcasts are powerful and enlightening

Excellent! We really appreciate you and how you are able to present, so clearly the true doctrines regarding Priesthood and DBR. May you and your family be blessed.😅

The hierarchical structure ultimately will be based on the parent-child relationship, and grades of righteousness. Those who become sons and daughters of God are commanded to be "one", having all things common. Brothers and sisters, husband and wife, the body of Christ, all should become one and not placing one above the other. God is an all encompassing God that employs all principles. There are principles of hierarchy and order, and principles of unity and equity. The trick is finding the truth in the meshing of the two. All righteous principles can work together.

Awesome upload Greg!! Level 3+ stuff. Careful... you just might see the finger of the Lord. :>) This discussion is going straight to favorites for recall and sharing !!

That was excellent Greg.

Wonderful teaching today. Blessings to. You. Sir. Mmlll

Coal on the mouth is the "Opening of the Mouth Ceremony," cleansing the lips of the repentant yet highly sanctified disciple. They become a "Sent One" (Apostle in Greek) who will speak as if they were Christ, the Word.

I know this is sort of off topic, but I've never thought of that Abrhamic scripture as a revelation and symbolically (shame on me). But that all of a sudden sounds awfully a lot like the degrees of glory and afterlife. There are three orders of Heaven (Telestial, Terest, Celest), but also sub heavens within each Kingdom. And the greater ones bring you closer to God and ultimately like him. Anyone else think it could apply like that?

What I find interesting is that the Lord is speaking to him in language he understands. This isn’t language WE understand completely. We must work out what is being shared. But because there’s understanding on that end, we must understand that there’s a lot of context we are never going to get because only the conversation alludes to it. That said, there’s still much we can gather here. 😁

Thank you for this analysis and explanation of these scriptures.

This was a particularly good watch, well done you🙏🇦🇺👍

Remarkable! Well done Greg!

Awesome talk

Bruce Porter provides the notion that we (in the Church and as Children of Israel) are in a matrilineal patriarchy. Meaning that the matriarch chooses the future patriarch. He has some very good references regarding this concept. Maybe you can have Bruce on again (yay) and he can discuss this... 😇

I love your commentary. Well said Greg.

Amazing. Yes! We must not spiral into nothingness, or worse.

Great video!!

Kolob seems to be clearly described as a star in the book of Abraham and not a planet unless I'm misreading that

Certainly the K-12 space in education has more women in large measures due to the fact that education is not a great PRIMARY income! However, it is a great secondary income!😮

I believe Calhouns “mouse utopia” is a great example of hierarchies dissolving. The system collapse becomes inevitable.

This video really hit deep for me. As someone who grew up within the ‘flattened church patriarchy’ I completely understand what people are missing without the fullness of Gods DBR. We really do need to speak up. This secular ideology is deep within the other Christian communities and they are falling further and further away from the truth.

Thank you! Very enlightening!

Kolob Chiasmus: A1 - (2-3) many great ones, governing ones, great one nearest to me B1 - (4-9) two facts, one above another, one above them all nearest to the throne of God to govern all the others C1 - (10-11) throne of God, face to face D1 - (12) my son, my son, I will show you, multiplied D2 - (14-15) I will multiple thee, seed, show these things C2 - (16) the greater things are, the closer they are to the throne of God B2 - (17-21) two facts, one intelligence above another, one above them all, God, to rule over all other intelligences A2 - (22-24) many noble and great ones, these are the rulers, one above them all like unto God I think the apex is his promised blessing, because that has been the entire theme of Abraham so far. He is seeking the blessings of the fathers: the priesthood and to be a father of many nations (1:2). Every time the Lord talks to him, it is to grant him one of these promises: The priesthood 1:18 Land of inheritance and priesthood through his posterity, and A great nation (2:6-11) Specific land (2:19) Endless posterity (3:14) CFM Week 1: Moses 1; Abraham 3 Not Just Astronomy Going on Here… Stars are People! Yes, Abraham was being shown the cosmos. But he was being taught something else as well. Everything he was being taught about stars was equally applicable to people, or more specifically, the children of God. God first lays down some ground rules. These are key to understanding what He is about to teach Abraham. The best part is that He doesn’t even make it all that difficult to make the connection (though it took me long enough), because He lists them one right after another. Rule #1 for stars: “If two things exist, and there be one above the other, there shall be greater things above them” (v. 16) Rule #2 for stars: “Now, if there be two things, one above the other, and the moon be above the earth, then it may be that a planet or a star may exist above it” (v. 17) Rule #1 for people: “also, if there be two spirits, and one shall be more intelligent than the other” (v. 18) Rule #2 for people: “These two facts do exist, that there are two spirits, one being more intelligent than the other; there shall be another more intelligent than they; I am the Lord thy God, I am more intelligent than they all.” (v. 19) The Lord also gives it to Abraham all in one breath, showing him the stars and telling him that Abraham’s seed will be like them: “And he said unto me: Kokaubeam, which signifies stars, or all the great lights, which were in the firmament of heaven. And it was in the night time when the Lord spake these words unto me: I will multiply thee, and thy seed after thee, like unto these” (vv. 13-14) So let’s look at some of the particular stars mentioned and see if we can’t find more parallels… “These are the governing ones; and the name of the great one is Kolob, because it is near unto me, for I am the Lord thy God: I have set this one to govern all those which belong to the same order as that upon which thou standest.” (v. 3) “Kolob is set nigh unto the throne of God, to govern all those planets which belong to the same order as that upon which thou standest.” (v. 9) “Kolob is the greatest of all the Kokaubeam that thou hast seen, because it is nearest unto me.” (v. 16) Is there a particular person who is nigh unto the throne of God and is set to govern all those which belong to the same order as Abraham? Kolob is obviously being used as a metaphor for Christ. And I discovered a connection that I am sure will lead to the identification of a chiastic structure here, (I have top people working on it), but this identifies Jesus and the “noble and great ones” as Kolob and the governing stars… check it out! “I saw the STARS, that they were very great, and that ONE of them was nearest unto the throne of God; and there were MANY GREAT ONES which were near unto it; And the Lord said unto me: These are the GOVERNING ONES; and the name of the GREAT ONE is Kolob, because it is near unto me,” (vv. 2-3) “Now the Lord had shown unto me, Abraham, the INTELLIGENCES that were organized before the world was; and among all these there were many of the noble and GREAT ONES; And God saw these souls that they were good, and he stood in the midst of them, and he said: These I will make my RULERS; for he stood among those that were spirits, and he saw that they were good; and he said unto me: Abraham, thou art one of them; thou wast chosen before thou wast born. And there stood ONE among them that was like unto God” (vv. 22-24) stars = intelligences many great ones = noble and great ones governing ones = my rulers Great one (Kolob) = Jesus Christ

HEAVENLY FATHER BLESS😇

This is the only part I disagree with you Greg. Matriarchal is not the same as Gynocentric. All patriarchy today is being labeled as toxic by using androcentric wording and the Matriarchy is under attack by pushing gynocentric characteristics. Patriarchy - Good (Father in Heaven) Matriarchy -Good (Mother in Heaven) Gynocentric- Bad (Society filtered through only a female lens) Androcentric - Bad (Society filtered through only a male lens) The gynocracy / feminism is at the helm today and all of western society is under attack including families and children. The gynocracy /feminism controls the UNCONSTITUTIONAL family courts (women get custody 90% of the time), the criminal courts (women serve 40% less time for same crime), and is the seed bed of the religion of academia (College educated women file 90% of the divorces and are the #1 home wreckers as opposed to 70% for non college educated women ) When Susan B Antony and Elizabeth Cady Stanton specifically targeted Utah in the 1870s and spoke at the Old Tabernacle on Temple square , they admonished LDS Women to have fewer children (and once every 5 years or more)....the first attack on the family . The difference then from today is that the Church publicly rebuked Stanton and and never allowed her to speak from the podium again. Why is the Patriarchy under full tilt daily and hourly attack? Because GOOD Patriarchy (as opposed to the bad apples) , which is a Christlike role descends below all of his family to be a provider and protector. A good patriarch will die for his family and married men make more money than single men because they are driven through massive purpose (family and especially offspring) to push themselves harder and GIVE ALL to their wives and children....all for a little gratitude (same as Christ asks). Eber Kenezgo is a matriarchal "help meet" to the patriarchal who SERVES women and children as protectors (via resources and physical protection and even a rational protection of reason over emotion ....so we could know what a woman even is). Once you rob the patriarchy of their children, their families, their spouses , their resources, their purpose, they will decline and what we are seeing today is EXACTLY this (men are making less than women 18-30 while women of that same age range are cheating more than men), suicide rates are much higher (we only care when its trans suicide, right?) for men. And how is the gynocracy (male feminists and female feminists) managing the blowback? Bread and Circuses....or today ...Uber eats gluttony and Netflix / Video games/ Porn/ Drugs/ OF/ AI/ VR/ Physical unfitness). These things are all used by the adversary (western governments) to destroy men so there is no uprising ....especially as weak gynocentric boys/men raised by single mothers (the worst outcomes and the massive norm now) . As the African Proverb , "The child who is not embraced by the village will burn it down to feel its warmth." They are making men / patriarchy so weak and understand that the Patriarchy is a Godly role and therefore are seeking to destroy it at every turn today. While the gynocentrists / feminists destroy the matriarchal. Sadly, the church is loaded with gynocentric men and women who are not standing up much at all

The beautiful, wonderful, faithful women of the Church in Utah and Idaho defeated the ERA in 1978. That was the last time i can honestly say that the Women defended their role in the Kingdom of God. But now, it seems, they want to be men.

This ties into many of the things The Natural Law Institute is doing.

It is so interesting how true order and doctrine frees mankind, while the bastardized order endlaves - the very thing we are being told is the fault of that true order. Coincidence? I think not.

Amen and excellent!!

Each, father and mother have their own roles. Men and women are made differently so it stands to reason they wouldn't have identical roles.

In Sacrament Meeting yesterday, the sister that gave the closing prayer started with "Our Heavenly Parents..." Is this becoming a thing? Awkward.

I have been a member of the church for 34 years, and I am currently serving a senior mission in Panama. I had a hard time following this podcast. I need it explained to me in layman’s terms. What are you trying to say?? What specifically should I do with this information? Can you sum up this podcast by saying “follow the prophet”? I don’t get what the takeaway should be.

As we look at Abraham and Facsimile #2 we see what could be called the “light line of authority”. D&C 50:24 states that “that which is of God is light.” Passing that light through a prism we see it break down into the principles and ordinances of the Gospel. There are higher laws and lesser laws, higher principles and lower principles. As D&C 84:45 states: “word of the =truth, truth = light, light = spirit - even the spirit of Jesus Christ”. D&C 93:24 states that “Truth is knowledge of things as they are, and. as they were, and as they are to come”, but one does not receive a fullness of the truth unless as 93:27 states: “ he keepeth all the commandments.” So as Greg points out, there is a hierarchy in all things.

You confused Limhi and King Noah at the end

Very good, Greg. Absolutely believe in patriarchy not because I want to abuse women but it is a true principle.

Governing ones most probably means the ones that other parts orbit around. In other words God's throne is at or near the center of the galaxy.

Any plan to reach out to David Alexander to maybe discuss how some of these deeper perspectives in the BOM and PGP may be imbeded in the NT but that isn't seen by our other Christian fellows?

Hi Greg, thank you for your explanation. I have a couple questions....When describing Kolob are you saying it is symbolic only or that Kolob is not just a location? Also, in regards to our role as members or the church or disciples of Jesus Christ I see a pattern that is hard to know where the line is.....We need to know truth and teach truth but I feel when Christ came he brought back the law and asks us to have the "Pure Love of Christ" or charity in order to enter the kingdom of Heaven. I can tell you focus on this but today the line between being right and having charity seems to be hard to see and even harder to develop because of the influence of many things. If we all focused on how to develop the pure love of Christ how would all of our words, lessons, thoughts and actions change? If you could do a podcast on that, especially on a time like today where chaos is everywhere that would be great. When we know truth and also choose to love despite that knowledge. I find this very challenging...Like the role of a bishop who may know things and is asked to love people back to church or activity. How do we develop Love like Christ in a time like today, despite our beliefs and differences? I struggle here for sure.

What in the world is DBR?, I understand what you saying but I’m sorry but I’ve never heard of it before but I feel like you not giving background about who invented the term DBR of how it became to be a thing it is very confusing.

Love your messages Greg... just a Cwic correction. Twice you said that Gideon fought against Limhi, I believe you meant King Noah?

I think I will participate thank you.....

@CwicShow Hey Greg, I've been listening to your channel for a little while now and you mention multiple books you recommend. Can you maybe do a video just on your book recommendations? I usually listen when I drive to work and can't write or remember the titles.

Those aren't courts of law. Those are special courts not of record. If the attorney has his way everything is Equity court because of contract and admiralty. That marriage license made the STATE OF UTAH one of your partners.

Gideon chased King Noah, not Limhi

In the church I was only given male role models. Therefore I tried to copy them. I knocked over a table one time trying to be like Jesus 😂 and one time I went into a grove of trees to pray to see God like Joseph smith did. He didn’t show himself to me but right then my earthly father called to me that we were going to look at a house that we then moved into. While there, an evangelical preached to me about Jesus and I accepted Jesus as my savior for the first time.

Btw, if you get unsealed to your wife, the wife gets the kids. They remain with her. Edit, not true. Kids are always sealed to their parents, even after divorce.

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Lol, how fun. DBR, word, order, plant ... the sword of truth; the Word. The sword transformed into a plow share when it's time to break up that stony heart. Now that Word or seed of truth can be planted in the heart. The seed grows into the Tree of Life which the Mayans equated with the throne. Progression occurs as that tree grows. Nephi saw the pure fountain of water springing from the base of the tree of life. "Be ye clean, ye that bear the vessels of the Lord." So as we follow the Covenant Path, our tree progresses until we are purified vessels, Then, "out of his bellly shall flow rivers of living waters." We are sanctified to the degree of becoming an Adam or Eve. We follow the pattern of becoming a tree of life with the living waters springing up to pour out from our hand to bless others.

Why is the church so heavily involved in the religion of academia? Afterall, the church owns the universities that are teaching this other religion. TIthing money is used to pay some of these professors. Why do they not address this? Do something about it? So confused.

Why can’t there be a word for a co-order of things? Husband and wife are to become one, so they serve together for their family as one in all things. If we had that beautiful paradigm, marriages and families would be much healthier and Heavenly Mother wouldn’t be nearly invisible.

You keep saying Limhi and wicked priests, but it’s Noah and the wicked priests. I’m sure it was just a slip of the tongue.

DBR? Design Based Research?

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You can't have a patriarchy without a matriarchy standing equally beside him. What we need to get away from is husbandarchy. We need to stop using the word patriarchy. It's not a word used in scripture.