*_Frequently Asked Questions - FAQ!_* 「Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah」 is not a stable time loop. The future changed when Emmy went back to it, which would be impossible if the timeline was always predetermined. So it's a split timeline. Here are answers to frequently asked questions, but do note that there just isn't any official explanation for some: *_What was King Ghidorah doing in all that time before 1992 in timeline #2? Why didn't it appear?_* As it turns out, the 「GVKG Super Complete Works」 book fills this detail in. On the battle map in page 44, it says King Ghidorah was "sleeping" in the Pacific Ocean until the Futurians gave the command for him to attack in 1992 (the present). *_If Shindo couldn't go back in time to 1944 because he and his past self would occupy the same space and time and one of them would vanish, how could Mecha-King Ghidorah travel back to 1992 with King Ghidorah still laying on the sea floor? -_* No official explanation has been uncovered about this, so the best we have is conjecture. You can reason that MKG's abrupt materialization over Hokkaido was so impactful that it instantly split history, allowing both the cyborg body in Hokkaido and the dying body in Okhotsk to coexist. Whereas KIDS stealthily arriving on Lagos Island with Shindo aboard probably would not have been enough to fork the timeline on its own, allowing the possibility of them meeting and for one to vanish. Alternatively, maybe Hokkaido and the Sea of Okhotsk aren't close enough to satisfy the "same PLACE" criteria of Glenchico's stated "same place and same time," so it wouldn't have been a problem unless MKG got close enough to the other body. Or, since we don't see Ghidorah's body in the sea after MKG arrives... perhaps there is no contradiction and it really did disappear. It's never referenced again, after all - only MKG's wreckage appears. It could also have been another lie from the Futurians, meant to keep the powerful and well-connected Shindo from getting an up-close look at their technology. *_Is Godzilla 1954 a Godzillasaurus (in the Heisei continuity)? -_* No confirmation one way or the other that the original G was retconned into being a mutated Godzillasaurus, that we've yet found. The original hypothesis by Dr. Kyohei Yamane is that G54 is a large prehistoric reptile that was awakened by nuclear testing (not mutated, like the Godzillasaurus). *_If Emmy went to timeline #2's year 2204, and not the 2204 she came from (#1), how does Morrys recognize her? Are there two Emmy's in timeline #2? -_* // *Q: How does Morrys know that Emmy was successful in changing the timeline? Is he the same Morrys from timeline 1 to realize that this change happened?* A: Maybe he doesn't know. Or Emmy told him what she did. The most that happens in his scene is that Emmy asks to turn King Ghidorah into a cyborg [to save Japan in the past], Morrys tells her Japan is a failure, and she says "Yeah I know but plz tho." // *Q: Does this timeline's [#2] Morrys know who Emmy is or is she a random person to him? Is she a duplicate of an Emmy already existing in timeline #2 who he knows?* A: Could be either one. Maybe changing things in 1992 had catastrophic effects and prevented Emmy from ever being born. Or she was just impersonating the Emmy of that timeline long enough to get MKG made. It's not explained. *_How do the timeline #2 versions of Wilson and Glenchico, who didn’t travel back to 1944, remember that Japan became a superpower in timeline #1 if Godzilla destroys it in timeline #2? Wouldn’t they never have needed to travel back to 1992 at all? -_* Unclear! We didn’t find any kind of explanation for this one. You could hypothesize that MOTHER, which they remain inside during the mission, allows the people within it to keep their memories of past timelines even if they didn't cause the branch themselves. It would also have to somehow render them immune to cause-and-effect chains created by a new timeline. Fujio, who was inside MOTHER with them, but didn't go back in time, also demonstrates cross-timeline memory by recognizing that Godzilla was no longer in the Sea of Japan in timeline #2, lending credence to this assertion... But again, no official explanation. *_Wouldn't there technically exist an infinite number of timelines, created by any miniscule action taken (the butterfly effect)? How, or why, are there only 3 timelines? -_* This is not commented on; there may be more or there might not. But there's only 3 that are relevant or we ever see.

The conversation set off by that "some worrying findings" message lasted until about one in the morning and I felt like I had earned another degree by the end of it. I can't believe the Futurians' computer, which no English version of this movie properly explains, was a metaphor for Supreme Commander for the Allied Powers Douglas MacArthur this whole time

I love how the Heisei has such a complex timeline, it makes this era of Godzilla more interesting in my opinion with all the possible timelines there are!

Amazing work but I think there is a simpler explanation for the "two Ghidorahs paradox": the old King Ghidorah was erased BECAUSE of the paradox, and THAT started the third timeline; a third timeline with a Mecha King Ghidorah from the second timeline and no original King Ghidorah corpse to salvage in its own future. This doesn't matter, because they WANTED to create a future in the third timeline where they wouldn't need to build Mecha King Ghidorah (by defeating Godzilla). By contrast, they didn't want that guy to go to the past because if the past version of the guy vanished it would add an unnecesary element of unpredicatbility to the new (second) timeline they were trying to create.

What I never understood is why the Futurians travelled to the 'present day' of 1992 in the first place. They could easily have just went straight to 1944 and executed their plan without letting anyone in 1992 know.

After watching this and re-watching big action bills history of Godzilla vs king Ghidorah, these timelines are much clearer to me more than before. Thanks wikizilla for always being on top of things

I don't usually think of time'travel as interfering or changing the past or future but rather creating a brand new timeline, that's what I think Godzilla vs King Ghidorah did created, rather than just briefly changing the past they changed all history.

The existence of Super X-3 also predicates the non erasure of '84 and GVB.

I wasn't expecting a video like this today, but I'm not complaining. In any case, have a monstrously Happy Valentine's Day.

Hi Wikizilla, well done on this updated video on one of the most controversial subject of the very unstable plot element that is time travel that really caused a lot of ongoing discussions, arguments, and not to mention headaches. So far, it made a lot of sense of what you just explained in the video and i would give credit to the dedication in going out the way in researching this very difficult subject. Mad respect to you all!!!

This is video is great for casual Godzilla fans! I myself never got into the nitty gritty of the Heisei Series lore, so watching this makes it easy to understand what exactly happened with all the time travelling.

10:36 funniest part of the video. Moments like that make tracking down the right details quite the heartache.

Ah, time travel. How we *_LOVE_* your confusing rules.

Time Travel, It sound like a fun idea for stories but using it is anything but fun.

To sum it all up, Hulk from Avengers: Endgame said it best "If you go into the past, that past becomes your future, and your former present becomes the past, which can't now be changed by your new future!"

Great to have you guys continue working on your videos

I'd like to think that Rebirth of Mothra takes place in Timeline #1 after Godzilla becomes forever dormant, letting Mothra become the only protector Earth has. It'd also be pretty cool if Grand King Ghidorah is the same species of the one in the timeline the Futurians come from that is used for the alien DNA to make to artificial Dorat pets so we can have both a classic alien Ghidorah and the artificial one in the same universe (just different timelines)

WikiZilla explained all the Godzilla vs King Ghidorah lore better than Toho even tried to solve it.

The waits always worth it these guys only drop bangers.

Thank you SSSOOOOOOOOOOOO much for explaining this! Being a time travel nut, I always was interested in hearing another fan's interpretation of the plot. But this is my favorite! Makes things much clearer! Thanks again! :D

"-it radiating him and costing Shindo a fortune down the road." Got a laugh out of me, great delivery

Teaches:The time travel test is easy The test:

Incredible Art Great Work Beautiful Effort

Thanks for the video. Really engaging and informative. It made Godzilla vs King Ghidorah a lot more interesting for me

Wikizilla very good video i love watch you videos

Godzilla Vs King Ghidorah will always be my favorite monster fight

I love these videos, I had a feeling the timeline went like this. It makes perfect sense, I was thinking the same thing when I studied the heisei timeline in my free time.

The one thing that strikes me as odd is that there were no records of King Ghidorah having attacked Japan or anywhere else prior to his then-present day attack in the revised timeline. I know that's not a guaranteed event, but still.

I think the best way to summarize this plot. The futurians ending up creating the heisei Godzilla without realizing this, why the events of 1984 and Biollante still happened. Thus, they made him.

Damn it, I hate split timelines. The stable timeloop is much more easier to manage and makes more sense.

Nice 👍🏻

My attempted explanation for Godzilla seemingly being ‘created’ in 1989 despite having being mutated before 1984 is technically, he is created in both circumstances. This is because prior to GvK, Godzilla is simply referred to as 3rd Gen Godzilla, while as of 1991, he is referred to as "Powered-Up" 3rd Gen Godzilla, which is carried into future Heisei films. This mutation is what caused his increase in height and ridded him of the ANAB infection. In a sense, a new Godzilla was created. I could be wrong though.

"Maybe he just likes being at home" you know, thats a really nice thought.

Great video! You lost me for a bit, but I think I understand a lot of it.👍

So if you change something that didn't happen in the original timeline if you return to your future it will never be the same and you can no longer access them even if you stop yourself it will no longer be the same so that means The Return of godzilla and godzilla vs bio will no longer be accessible and if they were it would change something that didn't happen or did happen.

Now I understand. I think. But thanks for explaining. Also RIP.

This was such a fun video and exploration! RIP Kazuki Omori! The only remaining questions I have after this are: what the hell was King Ghidorah doing for the time between 1954 when they'd awakened to 1992? This is less of a plot hole and more a fun thing to speculate on. The other question I have is that the events of Return of Godzilla and Godzilla vs. Biollante have to be different at least somewhat correct? Because if they were the exact same....Timeline 1 would just happen again due to the anti-nuclear bacteria shot into him at the end of Biollante. I think that Return and Biollante can have happened to be VERY similar but with things slightly altered, like Return and Biollante would have had a much BIGGER Godzilla for one. On top of this the modern nuclear weapons being used in his creation probably altered the effectiveness of the ANB. So maybe Return/Biollante did get shifted to happen in say 1989/1990 with MOSTLY the same plotline but with minor differences. Like say in Timeline 3 Bigger Godzilla still killed Gondo and fought Biollante but the ANB was less effective. You could make it all work with very minor tweaks but I think some differences would have to happen in order for the whole puzzle to fit together. Regardless this is very fun to chat and theorize about!

This is the problem when messing around with time travel. I think Toho just wanted to do something different that they hadn’t tried with Godzilla before and didn’t care about continuity. That also might explain why the Millinium era of films did not follow an ongoing continuity, so that the writers and producers wouldn’t have to worry about it. Kudos to the creator of this video for all the hard work and research and theories.

"If you travel to the past, that past becomes your future, and your former present becomes the past, which can't now be changed by your new future."

So, to summarise: timeline 1 occurs with both Godzilla Gen 1 and Gen 3 being created by the Castle Bravo test, 1954 attack on Tokyo and the death of the Godzilla Gen 1 occurs, and Gen 3 stays hidden until 1984, thus resulting in the events leading up to the start of Vs. King Ghidorah - has the timeline remained untampered, Godzilla would have remained out-of-action. The creation of timeline 2 changes the origins of Gen 3 only (the Futurians are unaware that 2 Godzillas were created by Castle Bravo) but not necessarily the events that occured in 1984 and Vs. Biollante according to the followups, but also undoes the effects of the Anti-Nuclear Energy Bacteria Godzilla was infected with. I have to wonder though: would Japan in timeline 1 have been destroyed by Destoroyah since there was no Godzilla to stop it? Its creation was tied to the Gen 1 Godzilla, which still came ashore. Obviously the next three films would not happen as-is or at all (no Mechagodzilla, and quite possibly no Spacegodzilla either depending on which theory of its creation is accurate).

This just shows why I've never been able to take the official toho materials at face value as they rarely are taken from the director/screenwriter. Not to mention they feature so many inconsistencies that can even change crim the various printings.

Split into a third timeline or not, King Ghidorah still should have been there when Mecha King Ghidorah was there. The best explanation is the one they give for why Shindo can't go back in time. Basically when Mecha King Ghidorah goes back it causes the one wounded under water to be erased.

*AND WE BACK~*

oh dang almost forgot this channel existed

I love godzilla vs king ghidorah, but one of its biggest flaws is the time travel storyline is really convoluted unless you do legit research, so props for you guys to tackle this for confused fans to swallow a little easier.

Epic

8:53 "Same Matter can't occupy the same space" as JCVD from 1994s Timecop would state. This bit of time-travel conundrum really baffles me as its not really time-travel but more about matter not being able to be in the same space. Eg:- there's a lamp post, a person can lean on it, put their hand on it but they cannot be in the exact space as the lamp post without the impossible ability to merge ones atomic structure with the lamp post. Or in teleportation on how dangerous it can potentially be for foreign objects to be in the same space (David Cronenbergs The Fly) It could be possible for the Shindo's meet but the Futurians were very crafty as to sway the others from not doing this as it could've compromised their plans in some way. Personal thoughts

How does one apply or reach out in order to narrate an episode.

Can't believe you guys still haven't made a video of King Caesar.

Hi wikizilla can you do a final wars Godzilla kaiju profile?

I have two theories as to why mecha-king Ghidorah was able to appear in the third timeline when Ghidorah’s non-cybernetic corpse was also around. The first is that when Mecha-King Ghidorah came to fight Godzilla, the monster was coming to the past with 40% of his organic self, as the organic middle head and parts of the wings were destroyed by Godzilla (alongside the possibility that sea-life was perhaps eating at Ghidorah’s corpse). When he came, it’s possible that Mecha-King Ghidorah under the rules of the Futerians time travel measures was indeed a different monster from the more organic Ghidorah. A second theory is that if a person from the future meets his/her past self, and causes one of them to disappear, this could be because either the past or future self of the person was killed or altered. It’s possible that for safety perceptions the Futerians never want a person of the future meeting their past self in order to avoid deaths and disappearances, alongside any other complications or alterations between past or future versions of people. In the film, Mecha-King Ghidorah and organic King Ghidorah never meet canonically, so theirs little worry for either version vanishing.

Somewhere a timeline exists where the Criterion Collection have released a Heisei and Millennium box set

Oh finally

Damn, timeline theories!

Could you make one about Titanus Doug from Godzilla versus Kong

Finally this Remaster released!

My favorite Kaiju rivalry

I finally get it!!!

Glorious.

Time travel is pretty confusing nice video

Why wasn't Godzilla vs Mothra not included in your Timeline Revisited?

This makes me wanna rewatch back to the future trilogy for the [insert absurd number here] time

My original theory was that the godzillasaurus was actually 1954 godzilla and heisei was actually another godzilla

one more thing to note that the original godzilla show up in 1954 in all timelines. Proof that it happen during the branch off is that the editor ask the male character about something involving his book which he replied that godzilla was no longer around to himself. That proof that the original wasn't the same one, of course since the original died from the oxygen destroyer than the test produce two godzilla not one and they got the wrong one.

Could you do singular point characters plz 😀

My brain broke while watching this

Are.yoy gonna make separate kaiju profile for Behemoth, Methusulah, Scylla, Amhuluk, and Tiamat? Since we have more information about some of them thanks to comics

Awesome research and explanation! I'd guess that Ghidorah while in the ocean would vanish as MKG made his appearance in the main timeline. These 3 different timelines while being confusing definitely make the heisei era very interesting. I wonder if Toho will ever introduce a time travel plot in a Goji film again?

Do Godzilla vs kiryu saga timeline next Since there's Hella kaijus in tht timeline

My theory is that Mecha King Ghidorah does disappear but it’s right after he and Godzilla battles because in “Godzilla vs Mechagodzilla 2” all that the JSDF brings back is the third head of Mecha King Ghidorah

Can you make a kaiju profile on the showa era godzilla please?

Honestly, it seems just as likely that the only reason time travel was included in this movie is that the Terminator films were so popular (well, hey there, M-11), and they then just didn’t think out the technical aspects of it properly. I know that doesn’t offer any *in-universe* explanations, and we have to take it into account when considering the events of future movies, but I suspect that’s the real world reason for it. Also… Sigh-gusa? Do I sense a bit of displeasure directed toward the character of Miki? 😎

My brain hurts sooo much

I thought this was another live video notification

R.I.P Kazuki Omori 1952-2022, it's been 70 year's

I always doesnt know heisei has time travel until human found a ghidorah dead bodies to create a new mecha ghidorah that almost killed godzilla

OH GODzilla, This hurts to think about.

Can godzilla guy be featured in one of these video it be fun to see him

I think I prefer the time loop theory. Just makes more sense to me

What about doing the millennium godzilla kaiju profile?

Make a Video How Strong and How Big will Kong Be in GVK 2

r.i.p kozuki omori. i honestly view the timeline as splitting from the godzillasaurus fate with ghidorah taking his spot with him being put into the sea(which was where i got confused as i thought he got erased at 1st.) with later on him getting it from the sub with an unseen different godzillasaurus becoming 1954 as the events of it still happen and characters remember him/godzilla still feeling betrayed by humanity(really puts in perspective junior causing him to calm down afterwards.) with the other timeline being where mecha kg came from(did even before that theory wonder why the just killed one wasn't used instead of his long dead corpse.) or heisei godzilla disappearing for a bit only to be brought back by the change. also find it cool in hindsight it tricks the audience by thinking japan became a superpower by heisei big g/trick by the futerions only to in destroyah imply it's actually a now grown junior protecting the country(with how he has a better relationship with humans.) from threats/jealous nations that for all we know could've helped out the futerions actions.

Trying to make sense of time travel plots has never ended well since... well since time travel was first used in stories lol

The problem is that the Heisei series originally hinted that the Heisei Godzilla was the same as the original 1954 one. The 1984 movie implies they're the same entity, and there's nothing established in the later movies that they're in fact differen radiated members of the same species. It's only in Godzilla vs Destoroyah that it's definitively established the original one died from the Oxygen Destroyer and the Heisei one is a separate entity. GvD hence retcons the previous entries. There's no indication in Godzilla vs King Ghidorah that there were two different Godzillas who were formed in 1954. Throughout the whole movie, you're led to believe the original 1954 one saved Shindo, attacked Japan ten years later, somehow reemerged in 1984, fought Biollante, and got infected by ANEB. You're then led to believe that Godzilla formed from contacting a Russian sub and then did the same things before fighting King Ghidorah, and then Mecha King Ghidorah. My own view is that GvKG operates on the branching timelines theory. But GvD establishes there were two Godzillas and the original one died in 1954, so the branching timelines theory no longer works because GvKG got retconed.

I would like to see Godzillasaurus again.

Long story short: by traveling back in time to the 40’s and teleporting the Godzillasaurus to the bearing Sea, it was exposed to a nuclear accident in the area in the late 70’s which turned it into the Godzilla that appeared in 1984.

Never been more confused in my life tbh

I always think time traveling as just creating a whole new universe. And with each time travel, it's impossible to get back to the original.

So if this is correct (Which I'm sure it is) then Emi is the linchpin that holds the Heisei era together. So by going back she inadvertently helped create MechaGodzilla, M.O.G.U.E.R.A. Reawaken Mothra and Battra and set up circumstances in which SpaceGodzilla and Destroyah would be born.

What a nice Valentines day present we got

Feels like it's been a while since I've seen a wikizilla video. (Despite the last one being 2 months ago)

Man, this is some Dragon Ball Z/Super level of time traveling, dude. But thankfully not as elaborate. Also I'm so glad this video returned but more updated.

I love it when Toho idolizes smart people

So let me get this straight is the 1984 Godzilla the shows Godzilla after terror of mechgodzilla or is it the Godzilla from 1954?? This video is so confusing but good 👍

Can you do a Godzilla Ultima one Kaiju profile for people who doesn't understand Singular Point

I though Emi said that in the future Godzilla protected Japan when they returned from the past the first time ( referring to the first timeline) So wouldn't that have meant that Godzilla somehow recovered from the ANEB at some point?

Ive tried to find any issues in this explanation, cant seem to see any. 👍

If there was one godzillasaurus on the island, then there were probably more. At least there had to be enough godzillasaurs to maintain a breeding population. Personally, I like to interpret this film so that timeline 1 represents the Showa era, with the godzillasaurus we see being the second Godzilla from "Godzilla Raids Again", and timelines 2 & 3 represent the Hesei era. I suppose the Millennium era could represent additional timelines.

Can you do millennium Godzilla and final wars Godzilla kaiju profile please?

Why didn't being teleported to bottom of the sea crush or at very least drown Godzillasaurus. Was he already adapted to deep sea & also full amphibious?