I want to go to an expo but where I live they don't do them much

@@ballpythonsarecool5437 I don’t think they’re hosting anymore cause the pandemic

@@krimz8139 they had one here a couple months ago. I was going to go but my dad got hospitalized and I forgot.

@@krimz8139 yeah but even before that where I live there was very little and when there was one it was very far from where I live

@@Beth_Amphetamine well where I live they’re closed cause of it

I'd have to literally get a disguise lol. Too many people stop me

Oh my gosh yes please!

You can hire or recruit someone to do for you. Set them up with a camera and mic. Can even use wireless headphones that have a mic so you can be in a call with the questioner. You can suggest questions they can ask, and overhear from the mic. It will look like they are just listening to music as the walk around.

@@GoHerping I would do it for you lmao. I’ve never gone to a pet expo before and I’d br happy to go undercover.

@@GoHerping get a friend to go for you with a notepad maybe? And then you can go over everything thats wrong with them

I was thinking the exact same thing!! Luckily they bought the snake and gave it Emily who’s gotten it eating!!

That's so sad. How do you have a snake and NOT notice its eyes or lack thereof? One of the main attractions about snakes is their beautiful, weird eyes. I can't imagine being in this business without an appreciation for how gorgeous these animals are. I don't even own a snake, kinda scared of 'em tbh, but even I appreciate their beauty.

Was this snake discovery itself that was selling or?

@@darckhajiit7948 I would have said when snake discovery sold a snake without eyes if that were the case

@@darckhajiit7948 No, it was someone else selling it. Snake Discovery own it now, it's a beautiful brazilian rainbow boa.

finally a good leader

Damn of all places to see you I wouldn’t expect it would be here

@@sslide_trickyy I guess he has some reptiles in his home

69 likes noice

Is this the real Kim Jung Un?

Buying pets as suprise gifts (especially non-dogs and cats) is like buying a pet for someone to see if it dies

Why was there kittens at a bird expo

@@Xx.Im.just.fckin.peachy.xX. my thoughts exactly. are they like for if they wanna sacrifice the birds or some shit

if somebody gifts you something like a reptile, fish, or amphibian you are so screwed. These are animals that need such specific homes, care, heating, uvb, water quality, et cetera. It just makes me sad that these animals get this treatment because it usually are the cheaper animals; they are still living animals!

It's the wild west around me

That's good! I was wondering about the scene around here, only just got into reptiles last year and, well, kind of haven't had the chance to go for obvious reasons

@@I_love_dr_stone please go to some of the good expos and don’t listen to this kid.

@@GoHerping same 'ere, same 'ere.....

Similar procedures here in Sweden and I think there’s only three expos or something every year and They Are quite small also.

honestly, better quality control would solve a lot of issues in general.

@eyadjamus completely agree it’s terrible what these people do, at least there are some good people out there

Then how will people buy reptiles then though?

@@godsix1069 they should stop buying or breeding them.

@@rae-sv3rh Bruh idiot, wild caught will get the species endangered tho

@@rae-sv3rh And stop buying reptiles is your saying basically? Then how will first time reptiles owners get a frickin let reptile tho.

In my experience it’s the mid size expos are usually the problematic ones. They are too big to be organized like the small local based ones, and too small To have the the proper funding and staffing to assure quality breeders like the really big ones. In my experience the best expos I’ve been to were locally established get togethers in small communities. Friendly good people who are usually in the hobby or are in a biology/herpetology/zoology related field and everyone genuinely cares about the animals. Ones I’ve been to had large temporary enclosures, good prices on supplies, helpful breeders, free care guides, and healthy animals. One of the few good things about living in a small podunk town imo

Theyre probably not even hobbyist, just salesman

Weird? I don’t think weird is a strong enough term

i went to the white plains one in i think in 2019...? 2018? i can't remember when the last big one was. hope your boy's doing well, and that he has a great time with you!

i remember going to white Plains it was my first reptile show, I forgot when but I was 5 or something. I didn't get anything tho but it was very cool

Got my Ball python from the White plains expo back in 2017. It was my first time at an expo, but honestly I didn't see/notice half these problems (not saying this wasn't happening). Overall seller was good and informative (he bred the snake) and I was pleased with the transaction. My python is still doing well and haven't had any health problems with him. Sad to hear there is so much more possible going on in the background of these types of expos

I may have been there, too! Heya, other WP bros!

@@soabtanmnl i got my ball python from the 2017 white plains expo too!

I think I went to the same expo. I'm in upstate NY as well and the one I went to was also a one day thing that they do twice a year for only the last few years. I've only been once and it was just before the shutdown. The one I went to seemed pretty decent (certainly no reptiles running loose). For the most part it was a pleasant experience and I hope to go again sometime when times are a little better and things like expos can happen again.

What’s the name of it?

Oh hey, also in upstate NY. I had been planning to go to an expo this year before obvious circumstances, I'll try to scout the one you're probably talking about. I can help verify ;) But in all seriousness, this video makes a lot of sense, as sad as it is. Local *anything* has a much better chance of having a stricter look at who is following the rules.

@@horsebookworm The one I went to was the Saratoga Reptile Expo. I went to the one last March.

What expo did you go to? I live in downstate NY and I haven’t heard of any here.

Don’t insult him like that

@@InnerAtanih Insult who?? Alex or D’Angelo??

@@InnerAtanih I'm... confused..? They're both P great...

I was thinking of the Office and not the youruber

@@jennlam319 No no, that’s Deangelo Vickers.

Should have reported them for animal abuse, tbh.

Were they taxidermied or did they just fight each other until they were dead?

@@Brevenator youtube is being a bitch about certain words

@@yikes4946 Only for creators though.

Omg that's terrible

In the arts & crafts show world, there’s a thing called “juried expos.” A board of people in charge of the expo vets vendors to make sure their goods are unique, show solid craftsmanship, and, sometimes, that their reputation is solid. While this can lead to elitism, drama, and higher table costs, I think it’s a small price to pay to avoid dodgy vendors. To me, the bare minimum of that should be required for animal expos. At least run background checks to make sure your vendors aren’t convicted animal abusers, for goodness’ sake... (Edit for grammar)

Or, how about just being stricter on the rules in general. If the person cant follow those rules, usually means they're not good breeders/sellers anyway and they wont be able to sell there. Because how would one go about judging who is allowed to sell or not? By rumor/what others say/believe about the person? several people who dont a person can makes up things to ban that person, or that person could be banned because of misunderstanding etc. So, instead, it's better to set a standard, if those standards cant be met. Then that seller shouldn't be able to sell.

@@argonautilus9540 I dont see how elitism, drama, and higher prices are a "small price to pay" when just banning dodgy sellers could solve the issue entirely without the elitism etc. So, if those set of gatekeepers just dont like you or your product, you're not able to sell? When it should be up to the buyers to choose whether or not your craftmanship is what they're looking for. Ihe point is to avoid dodgy sellers, wouldn't/shouldn't they be vetting these people by their history, and if they had any trouble with "dodgy" behavior in the past? And if the seller is new to the entire craft business, shouldn't they get a chance to prove whether or not they are an honest craftsman? Not being judged by a select handful of people to being able to sell their products to the public? I suppose since many of these expos are ran privately those in charge can do whatever they want. But there are also many expos and craft fairs that are ran by and paid for by local government (tax payers) on public lands like parks and recreation buildings etc.

@@cattfishing banning dodgy sellers will make them sneak-sell or find loopholes

Keeping "dodgy" breeders out causes the elitism and higher prices. Higher prices, 2 reasons. 1. Figuring out if people are "dodgy" costs money and takes time. And time drives up administrative costs as it calls for much more planning. It also requires more people to enforce the rules and monitor the event. I run background checks for a living. They aren't cheap and the more in-depth the search, the more expensive they are. In the case of a person who was charged with a crime but not found guilty, in my state it is illegal to report that to a client if it is older than seven years. So even background checks wouldn't keep bad breeders out forever. And in my experience 90% of Assault and Battery cases, against *humans* are dismissed (meaning they are not found guilty, usually for lack of prosecution) So unless animal abuse is incredibly heinous, it will not be prosecuted and they'll probably just be fined at worst. 2. Exclusivity always comes with a price tag. If your expo keeps out bad sellers, its a more desirable expo, and therefore even if you didn't have to mark up the price, you can. And as we see in this video, if people can make more money, they will. Elitism Deciding what "dodgy" means. This would be easy if the only thing that made them "dodgy" was a criminal record. But not all sellers with bad selling habits are charged criminals. So keeping out all "dodgy sellers" would require a set of requirements that they must meet to get into the expo. Would they have to detail the way they care for their animals while at the expo? At home? Prove where they came from? Those things would also likely cost the sellers more time and money to meet those standards and provide the necessary evidence. Or if they had to go to the expo early to have their animals inspected for mites, that'd be more time and money from the sellers and those running the expo. And people would still fall through the cracks. As time goes on, these requirements will likely grow more stringent and more exclusive and sellers would have to prove more and more that they are reputable, to the point where some sellers that aren't "dodgy" aren't able to get in. Whether it requires time and money that hobbyists don't have, or simply because the burden of proving that they are legitimate is difficult when you are inexperienced. For example, as he said in the video, he started out getting his animals from people on craigslist; something that likely wouldn't be acceptable in order to keep out "dodgy" people. And he wasn't even aware that one of his animals was imported. If that was an animal he'd intended to sell it's not likely one that he'd be able to bring with him to the expo despite her being taken care of well. If you have to prove where your animals come from and the Expo is deciding whether that source is good enough, there is no way that you don't get elitism. But all of that being said, I agree that it's a small price to pay. But you can't have your cake and eat it too unfortunately.

I have also had a similar experience with a farmer who, while holding their burnt and scarred corn snake, went on to explain how heat rocks are the best heating supply for reptiles and that they get a lot of mental fulfillment from live feeding. I also talked to a breeder who, very literally, wondered why her juvenile success rate was so low while proceeding to explain that she cohabs litters of baby boas, which she live feeds together. I also had to tell a breeder I knew for a while that his 24w x 16l x 6h rack system wasn't nearly big enough for the adult female ball pythons he had in them. Also had someone at an expo basically trying to pawn off (I think they definitely had a disease or something) 3 corn snakes onto literally every passerby in the expo. Yeah, it's a bad world here in florida

Live feeders are better

if you google enough he'll come up pretty quickly

My money's on Brian Barczyk

@@hebebebe139 nop but i wouldnt be surprised

@@hebebebe139 brian barczyk hasn't been caught yet

@@alicegunter6872 Feel free to share with the class

Exactly. I’m going to my first expo in June and I’m only going for bugs and a tree frog (can’t find any near me). My friend runs a reptile rescue and agrees but disagrees at the same time. She thinks it’s great people can talk to others about the hobby but she wishes more people would rehome reptiles.

I don’t get the need to massively breed them either. Ball pythons aren’t hamsters, in captivity they can live up to an average of 30 years so your going to take care of it for at least 30 years. Don’t know why people breed and buy these snakes as if they are hamsters that die in 2-3 years.

I beg to differ. They are too cute and cuddly!

@@buibuiopolismayor7329 I agree that BPs and other reptiles don't need to be mass produced like they are. But I feel like there's more of a mass breeding issue with hamsters. Yes they have a shorter lifespan but because of that they are treated like a disposable pet. And the way they are marketed towards kids because they are "cute and cuddly" gets people to overlook their actual needs. (You'll be pissed if you look into the space they actually need vs. the cutesy shit with tubes from the pet store. Usually not even a fifth of the space they need) I rescued a pregnant hamster bc some kids decided more hamsters =more fun. She had 11 babies and when one was about 3 weeks old it just curled up and died. Nothing wrong with them on the outside, likely just a side effect of inbreeding. And that's just how it goes because they're treated like they're disposable. Can't imagine what it would be like in the mills (._.)

And I'm sorry for ranting like that. Just a little 🍃 🍃 and I miss that poor little guy so much. He was the sweetest out of all of them 😭

where should i get my cornsnake then😞

I've seen a couple tables actually take animals out each day, but they're the small minority for sure

@@GoHerping Bullshit! Most have larger tubs the animals are put in at night and the people get there early to feed and get them back out in the smaller containers for the day. And if the animal is healthy (and they are more so than not ) they do perfectly well in those containers, even if they are in them for multiple days. THATS HOW THEY COME WHEN THEY ARE SHIPPED UNLESS THEY ARE TO LARGE, THEN THEY COME IN BAGS TIED AND TAPED SHUT! AND YOU KNOW THIS !! ANYBODY WHO HAS EVER HAD A GECKO SHIPPED TO THEM KNOWS THIS!! AND DURING SHIPPING THEY CAN BE IN THOSE CONTAINERS FOR 5 DAYS OR EVEN 7. Any more then that is definitely not a good thing but for people traveling to the show they are usually in those containers for less time then they are in the average mail order shipment .

@@stevenhall8964 Shhhhhh your willful ignorance is showing.

@@stevenhall8964 when shipped they aren't intended to be in the shipping containers for a weekend. Kittens and small puppies could survive in shoe box sized Rubbermaids for 5 days straight, that doesn't make it right. You are speaking from your experiences and what you've seen with many vendors moving animals to larger tubs in the evening. He is speaking to what he's seen about many vendors not moving animals to larger tubs in the evening. Neither of your opinions based on your experiences is wrong.

Ball Pythons love small spaces though so they likely didn't hate it as much as you'd think.

@@zebraloverbridget The issue isn't 'does the animal enjoy small spaces?', the issue is that the animal does not have the choice and cannot move if it wanted to. Especially seeing as the sellers themselves said "only a few days"..days! It would be unpleasant but perhaps overlookable if it was literally just a one-day expo, but several days? :/ and ball pythons like hiding in dark spaces.. being crammed into a container and then sitting on a table with bright lights and noise all the time.. Likely didn't enjoy it as much as you'd think.

So how does shipping them work then?

@@michaelperry8054 Usually bps are put in a decent sized bag, I've seen. I can't fathom shoving a grown snake into a deli.

Yea I keep my kitten taped in a shoebox over the weekends. It hasn't said anything about not liking it, so it's cool. She was shipped to me taped in a shoe box so that makes it ok.

The alternative is regulation and accountability.

@@oMuStiiA The alternative to expos that currently exists, is what I mean. Regulation and accountability is what we should push for.

"shipping live animals" i wonder how they get the reptiles to the expo or pet shops. they just materialize or somethin'

Annnd...?

Why?

Repticon in Orlando, FL is right next to a gun show, what’s the issue?

For the people who don't understand why this is a problem are problem the problem. Correct me if I am wrong of course.

@@genuineghoul3452 not really....

lol I was watching random expo videos after uploading this and saw that. There are a lot of deals and giveaways, I assume the fish related ones definitely go wrong

I do think it's alright to subject them to some stress (shipping them overnight, letting some people handle, etc) but it definitely feels over the top at shows

He basically just said "Come buy this wild lizard and neglect it until it dies or suffers its entire life!"

That sounds like what I would do to try and keep wild frogs as pets while I was like five... at least I let them go after a while, damn

Really?, what kind of cage were you and your sister kept in? :d

We had them together in an 80 gallon when we first got them but after my sister’s dragon died we upgraded my dragon to the tank he has now which is 4x3x2 feet

Glad to hear your beardie is doing well :)

Please don’t be serious.

@@simplyserpents7254 you afraid you won't pass?

@@emileegernt9112 oop-

Ooo I'd love that c: We need more of that, especially if each seller (should they pass) gets an entire article written about them detailing how they treat their animals and all that good stuff.

Chain pet store employee who provides impeccable care and is very well researched and experienced here. And uh, THIS. The local shops here with the disgusting or bone dry enclosures and dehydrated and thin animals also love to make sweeping negative generalizations. You know if an animal is sick or injured that we have to get them vet care within 24 hours and neglecting to do so can be a fire able offense. 🙄 I don't think we should sell live animals, breeding mills is highly problematic. But these local shops use the same vendors and provide worse care and have no space to talk.

@@kwiggy5091 I work as a pet store as well and I don’t agree with everything, but god I’ve been to so many god awful local pet stores and no one says a thing about them. I’m talking full grown beardies in 20 gals, bird cages stacked on top of eachother, baby lizards on sand. And no one ever talks about this. It’s sad

@@Monika-gc2bk I know. Plus, we have a LLL Reptile here that also supplies Reptiles N'Reefs, mind you LLL Reptiles sister company is Vista, who supplies both those stores AND chain stores. Like. The local stores aren't much better for buying live animals. At least mine are given vet care.

I got my BP at the local Petco..... that wasn’t the plan, I was just going in to check out supplies before ordering from a breeder. But I saw they had some BPmorphs and talked to the associate that cared for the reptiles, and she was simply gushing over them like a proud mama. She told me so much of their history (the one we bought had been there for several months), eating habits, etc and even her feeding log had cute personal notes scribbled for each feed - obviously she cared a great deal about these animals. So.... just goes to show, sometimes pet stores aren’t so bad! Our Petco BP (banana pinstripe) is very healthy and happy!

I think there aren't enough people who care sadly

All the others are small time niche breeders or you tubers sadly at least he got over 190k views. That’s a lot of ppl and the nature of this vid shows ppl are interested so this is huge.

Somebody call peta

I'd definitely still say you should go, just be mindful of the sellers and animals and not take anything at face value

Ones ive been in in Canada have been good and only last a day or two!

I’d say Just do your research and be mindful of the companies there. Some don’t push sales and have great healthy animals. Others.... not so much.. plus there’s the whole wild caught argument etc.

Our canadian expos I would say are excellent. I've never seen mites or loose animals in either the smaller semi monthly expos or the big CRB expos in Ontario. I'm sure there's been less reputable flippers that people have had issues with but on the whole I would say it's a much better experience than some of the states side shows. What specifically are you looking for?

I bought a Savannah monitor for 20$ at a reptile expo and hes really nice.

Sorry to be nit picking but snakes umbilical cords don’t come out of the body since they are reptiles and are hatched out of eggs.

@@Workieplz the umbilical cord here is a smaller version with another name (umbillucum) that forms from the inervations of the egg and attached to the yolk. When reptiles hatch, they usually have some leftover innervation from the yolk, such as the umbilical cord have some innervation to the placenta. That is, technically, umbilical cord. Look for newborn snakes, they may have a little bump you can see for yourself :)

@@Workieplz also not all snakes come from eggs some give live birth like boas and anacondas

Interesting, expos in my country don't last more than 8 hours

Same here and they cycle there animal around by the time of day so no one animal is stressed to much

@@themotions5967 they don't do that here at all, because the supply of reptiles isn't that big (even at the biggest expo in the capitali) compared to the demand (the fact that most of reptiles, amphibians, crabs and other are sold relatively fast is also the main reason for the short lenght of expos)

I honestly haven't heard reptile expos operating for 5 days.

@@dan_ta_lion He didn't say they lasted for 5 days, he said that the travel could take a day or over so its more like 3 days

Midwest here also- typically one day expos as well and usually have pretty good prices on supplies. I would say 90% of the breeders I've met at these smaller expos tend to be decent, a couple sketchy ones. I usually just like to talk in-depth with the breeder on how they are kept, etc. Otherwise I would rather get from a breeder individually rather than buying at an expo.

But ...

@@mlem6951 no. No exceptions Don't eat babies

@@doodskwid Okay u,u

Even Jelly babies ?.

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it'd be the same industry lol

Don't they breed scaleless snakes? If so they're not exactly the best example.

@@JA-ux1rz They're certainly one of the best examples. I personally don't believe the scaleless gene is problematic if the belly scales are still there.

@@breezyncj it's definitely a problematic gene. There are plenty of resources to find out why the production of this gene is so terrible. I recommend looking into it further.. If you need evidence of their shit keeping, check out their videos where they show the Reticulated python enclosures. Generally, their enclosures are way too small, but those set ups are absolutely ridiculous. SD has also spread things in videos telling people to put pennies in water bowls to reduce bacteria, which will just leech copper into the water (toxic to animals).

@@alicegunter6872 I've looked into it, and at this point in time my opinion on the scaleless gene stands. You are completely entitled to your own opinion. As far as their enclosures, they're building an entire facility to house their pets and animals used in education, which is success that is amazing to see. I see nothing wrong with the husbandry of the snakes they use to breed. As far as what I've seen on KZfaq, their style of keeping (as it pertains to their breeding stock) is definitely a step above most others. They are in the business of breeding, after all. It's a business, not just a hobby, and they do an exceptional job of it in my opinion.

Xav Mak maybe it's a HOODIE!

I'm so glad someone else noticed it!

I apologize if this was off topic..

just talkin from first hand threats

@@GoHerping .....ok...

awww I'm sorry :C for future reference, trust me, that drive is nothing. In the reptile community, we literally ship our reptiles to our new homes via Fedex, they get put on planes, trucks, etc, sometimes there are ice storm delays, they go through a lot, and they come through totally fine. Being in a container on a car ride will not hurt them, especially since reptiles aren't like mammals (cats, dogs,) that need to eat and drink every day. They'd just chill, I promise. If you ever worry about water, just have a spray bottle on hand and spray em down once in a while.

Mites!!! I bought a baby Blue tongue from a breeder at an expo, got him home? COVERED in Mites and had such a horrible respiratory infection that you couldn't hear in the roar of the expo :( he's doing fantastic now, but how can you sell someone a sick animal? How can you not get care for it!!

@@krakeddreams08 Idk man I can't ever bring myself to go to one to find out lol

It’s because everyone has the toxic mentality of “humans are sentient beings while animals are just property with nothing of much value” Here in the Us if you get your animal stolen you can press charges on the thief. But do you know what the courts label animals? “Stolen property”. Like items. It makes me sick and I hate the US but unfortunately I have to live here.

Except when it comes to dogs and cats because apparently they're the only animals that matter :/

I mean, the US doesn't even care about their citizens.

@@minabrunkhorst9954 lmfao you right

Its not only the US

Please research better breeders

@Speff I am triggered by his lack of knowledge on certain topics but yet speaks as if he is an expert on the subject. Then he has many impressionable children watching his videos and taking his bad opinions as fact.

I would recommend an animal from nerd or another respectable breeder. This guy is okay but at the of the day most of his videos are Opinions and his own experiences. There are a variety of local and well known breeders that have been at this hobby since the beginning and have done so much for the hobby as a whole.

@@simplyserpents7254 It really isn't your place to tell the OP to do anything. If they want to buy from Emerald Scales, that's their choice and you should respect that. The OP does not necessarily care what you or anyone thinks; they did not ask for recommendations or opinions. As someone who gets the opinions of others shoved down my throat daily, it pisses me off seeing it happen to others.

@@lionarmy12 The OP did not ask for a recommendation, they said they wanted to buy from Emerald Scales. Let them alone. It just annoys me seeing others try to add their own personal thoughts when it's not asked for. If they wanted an opinion, they'd ask. As someone who gets the opinions of others shoved down my throat daily, it pisses me off seeing it happen to others.

deli *cups*

yay

@@GoHerping agreed

Ur not early ur on time

@@basicburrito1157 agreed

I don't think trading is inherently bad, but the way it's done at expos tend to put me off

@@GoHerping that’s ridiculous. You need to not put out a video on topics you do not fully understand. The way you speak about expos proves you don’t actually know that much.

@@simplyserpents7254 lemme guess, you're one of these people?

@@Sarydormi I am a responsible breeder that vends high quality expos and has far more experience

@@simplyserpents7254 well, you are responsible, and expos you attended were high quality, but why GoHerping cannot do a vid with bad one with bad irresponsible breeders? I bet there are more bad expos than good ones, and at least people will know what to expect when they'll go there

Super annoying - I've brought mites back twice before realizing how overly cautious you have to be

@@GoHerping I've thankfully not had to deal with reptile mites (only have a half year old ball python from an online breeder) but I did spend about a year dealing with mites on my chickens so I'm more than aware just how big of a pain in the rear the little buggers are no matter what species they're plaguing

Me too!, Alex gang

Hello Alexs!

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The Alex Gang! Woooo!!!

@@xilanthrophir13 best mfing gang

@cat snake that's why I said silly cause I knew someone would defend it if I said stupid or something instead. The fact that there's channels that do it worse doesn't matter, it doesn't make his look better.

there's the good and the bad, this video's for the rarely talked about latter

dude same

It’s okay! Now you know, mistakes happen. Give that geko a good life!

Yeah, imho in US the "not dogs or cats" animals proper care is not seen as a such a big priority as in most of Europe, sadly.

That... actually sounds incredible.

interesting... At least the seller herself is good

@@GoHerping They never found out who did it unfortunately. She stopped selling at that particular expo within a couple years after that.

Did they get hit recently? There was some people up that way that use to come to the Dallas 321 flea market that don't know more.and I got a purple lavender albino phantom reticulated python that made my whole car smell like ciggarettes off someone up there trying to make a bond for there son

@@alexross9806 I don’t think so. It’s been like 9-10 yrs. &the kids are “upstanding” citizens so it’s more likely they’d try to make bond for each other than the kids lol But smelling like straight up cigarettes and desperate to make money? Very plausable lol

bruh frilled lizards are expert level reptiles while ball pythons are begginer-intermediate, i hope that guy no longer sells reptiles

@@SpinexF7 To be fair he was quite young, maybe 14. I absolutely agree he either knew what he was saying was wrong or he really didn't know mucha about reptiles but in either case he shouldn't have been one of the ones selling to customers. The store is definitely still around and that's one of the reasons I don't usually stop at their table at repticon.

@esther fisher yes and as we can see in his enclosure rating videos they don't even care abour their own pets and keep them in boxes with paper on the ground and plastic hides their whole lives (not just for quarantine). Or they keep big ass snakes in a smaller enclosure than i have for my cornsnake. Really sad.