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I've got one pp. I still can't decide on what unit to try for

1 pt, you don't have to worry. Even a general took 3 so you're probably not getting it.

@@bryanclausen6624 Even with one point you have a chance, remember that a portion of the permits are randomly allocated so if you apply you have some chance to draw. A portion of the permits are guaranteed to the applicants that apply with the most points for any given hunt but like I said some of those permits are randomly allocated. Deciding what hunt(s) to apply for can be tough, but I would suggest using the Filtering tools in your Insider account like trophy potential, harvest success, season, and your maps (public land layer, unit layers) to decide what makes the most sense for you and your objectives.

Great topic idea for sure! Let us put some thought around that and see if we can have Trail cover this as a specific article around researching habitat in non-wilderness areas. That being said, Trail did do this video last year about how to find the best elk habitat: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/idyEl7Wpz6_Dm2Q.html And you have this one that dives into finding features on a map to look at: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gb18oJyjl5qqYqc.html This is a great video Mark Livesay did for us: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gJqZq85k3rq0qas.html Finally, this video on the Terrain Analysis tool is a gem: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/edp7YNmDtMXdlIU.html

Hi there, I can offer a bit more context for thought. The wilderness rule just limits nonresidents to hunting USFS, BLM, and State land that is outside of the USFS Designated Wilderness Areas and there is a ton of public land that is great elk habitat and has fantastic numbers of elk that are outside of those designated wilderness areas. I would suggest looking at Gohunt Maps with the wilderness layers on and comparing the harvest success rates for areas that you are seeing that have public lands that are not within wilderness areas. There are many opportunities there, I have hunted Wyoming several times when I was able to take elk that were on public land outside of wilderness areas. The Wilderness Areas have good habitat, the areas outside have great habitat, it's really just a designated gov boundary. Hope that helps some.

@@trailkreitzer9163 thanks, it’s does just relaying that and giving reassurance. I guess it’s just hard for me to visualize as most of my limit experience have been in the wilderness type areas in earlier season and I kind of get myself in a trap of thinking the bulls aren’t going to be in these areas I can hunt. I keep thinking these non wilderness lands are suboptimal and more late season transition zones at lower altitude that haven’t been my preferred hunting grounds. I really need to dig back into and see what I can put together for a 2025 hunt. Plus Randy Newberg says there is a 350 bull around every corner in Wyoming so I have to give it a try! lol

@@trailkreitzer9163 idk maybe this is weird but as I said in previous comment I feel like I have just a hard time visualizing Wyoming terrain in none wilderness areas, I know Wyoming terrain can be very different than Colorado, where I have spent all of my hunting time. Is there a to hunt film or two that show Wyoming hunts that would really show the terrain and different elk habitats in Wyoming?

Your 1st choice is the only one that will use your points

A Type 6 or 7 elk tag doesn’t use any points at all and is completely random. Also it is a separate draw than the full priced draw 1,2,4,5,9 which during your first choice it will use your points so beware especially if you put type 4,5 which is full price cow tag 🏷️ and will burn your points even if you have 12 lol 😆…. However as a second choice those 4,5 full price cow tags will not burn points if successfully drawn

Does anyone have an answer for my question above? I have spent a few hours researching online without any answers. Thank you for your time.

Hi there, a group application is treated as a single application meaning that if the application is drawn all members of the group will draw a permit. So, to answer your question, all of you will have applied for the same hunts as a group and your odds of drawing that application would be 10%. Hopefully that answers your question.

That does answer my question. Thank you very much. I appreciate the service you are doing for our community.

Hi Steve, certainly understand the frustration. Just wanted to clarify for anyone that might read this that the current tag split for Wyoming Elk is an 84% (resident) 16% (nonresident) split. The 90/10 split has been on the table for discussion but as of 2024 it's still a 16% split for nonresidents. Personally I think they looked at the regular/special draw odds and saw that in intention of offering better odds to folks willing to pay the higher price was not happening due to people being willing to pay that $1,283 special elk price..so they raised it. I also am certain that the added revenue was a big part of that decision. Overall, I think the odds of the special draw mid to low tier elk hunts will be better for people this year. I know that I'm not paying $2K to apply for a special tag every year. I still think points are worth purchase, even if it's to bank them and go on a general season elk hunt every five years which I think is likely going to be possible in that special draw now that the price is so high. Again, its a value/cost judgement for everyone. I do agree that with their current point system and the cost it's gotten a lot harder for nonresidents and that's even if no new applicants ever applied.

Hi there, if a person fails to purchase a preference point during the preference point only application period for elk, deer or antelope for two (2) consecutive years, all accumulated points for that species will be lost.

No, you can buy them without applying for the draw.

Like the other person said (thanks for jumping in). You don't have to apply in the draw. You can actually purchase a point starting in July. And even if you apply, you still must purchase your point if you want one and didn't draw, as you don't get one if you're unsuccessful.

Hi there, while I certainly understand and agree to some extent due to point creep under the current system I do think that from deer, elk, and antelope it's worth buying preference points. There are hunts that you are likely to catch up to, and with the cost of the special draw going up I would anticipate the point creep to decrease some for those willing to pay the higher cost. Also, for those considering applying there is a portion of permits that are randomly allocated. Even though points are not taken into consideration in that random part of the draw, I think Wyoming is worth applying for if you can afford to front the cost of the permits.