Not what's been reported. Actually Olivia admitted at the reunion she wasn't sure if Thomas was with Kathryn at the time. FACTOID...rumor was out there for some time...Madison mentioned that Olivia had "hooked up" w/ Thomas on last years reunion & was met with vehement denial from Olivia. SO OLIVIA LIED ...hmmmm. I really liked Olivia & fully understood her original shock & awe...but ...she's taken it too far. And just remember the fact that she & Austen were not together at the time & were NEVER the couple she pretends. Olivia needs to get her act together & STOP RELISHING in PUNISHING Taylor. They don't have to be friends, but her immaturity is starting to reek of narcissism.

@@roseflower3434Katherine and olivia were not close friends/bbfs at the time, maybe acquaintances, it’s not comparable to Olivia and Taylor

They were friends last season when she denied that it happened tho

I think she's being judged WAY too harshly. The guys on the show are such dogs and they get away with it over and over again. She made a few mistake, like all humans. That doesn't make her a "different person" than she thinks she is. She is very honest and forthcoming in this interview.

I have come to realize that Olivia's ANGER stems from the fact that AUSTEN PREFERRED TAYLOR OVER OLIVIA, so she is RELISHING in PUNISHING TAYLOR. Olivia is CRUEL.

@@roseflower3434just said this same thing on another comment. She’s pissed that Austin ultimately had zero interest in her outside of a few hookups, and that’s why she got SO triggered and got weirdly, annoyingly focused on the “telling the family” aspect (which, BTW, annoyed TF out of me the way they kept overreacting to that; they told their SIBLINGS, who, in their cases, were like their best friends. Not a huge deal.) But it drove Olivia crazy to think that he was showing way more interest in Taylor than he ever did in her. And then she pathetically & desperately pretended to hate him on screen, and then every chance she could when cameras were down, she was texting him & flirting with him, coming over, staying late, leaving her freaking bra (ew. so desperate🤢), because she was trying to make that connection with him & trying to have it translate back onto the screen when cameras came back up. I legit think that she thought she could, in real time, try & convince the audience that she & Austin had this connection *all along*, because she knew the majority of us were NOT buying it & were going to go WTF is she getting upset about, they were never together…because they just weren’t. Austin will do anything for relevance & a storyline, and, sadly, I think Olivia felt pressured to go along with a faux romantic interest in an attempt at a storyline, and it just didn’t work out. But Austin, in typical f*boy style, quickly moved on, and Olivia was pissed. She was pissed at Madison her first season because she still had Austin’s attention. Now she’s coming for Taylor because she’s pissed at the thought that he might have considered taking their relationship more seriously than he ever took theirs. Again, with the immaturity. And I’m absolutely disgusted at how she’s treating Taylor now, especially knowing she’s in the midst of the grieving process, something SHE was given the time and grace of having an entire year to process & heal herself & her family from before this new season aired, and Taylor only had like a month or two to start to process after her brother recently passed away before the new season started airing, and immediately started getting awful comments. And Olivia’s interviews just fanned the flames, very intentionally, while saying “I know she’s going through a lot, but…” and then saying inflammatory things she knew would generate hundreds/thousands of gross, hateful comments to a woman grieving her brother and best friend. To do that to someone, after you have JUST experienced that loss yourself and know how much pain she is in is beyond disgusting. ​​⁠

This is an absolutely brilliant dissertation on this topic @@Free420Love

Yess Thiss!!! And the same is for how she views shep too! How do you know someone if you never have deep convos with them “yet they are so raw”😂 she is truly delulu

I really felt she hasn’t learned anything, she continues to deflect and compare to others to down play

i would have said it to if i was getting berated about a kiss from 4 months ago, i would have lost my shit on all of them.

if you’re gonna continue to bitch to someone for months over one mistake instead of just not speaking to them don’t be surprised if the other person flips a switch and just doesn’t give a shit anymore.

Exactly!!’

Exactly!!!! People don’t understand and the fact that they said she was baited also she wasn’t she was the one to bring it up that’s on her honestly. Like every time she apologized she defended herself and said she didn’t regret it like of course Olivia would be mad at you

Because they weren’t together.😂😂😂 Y’all are as delusional as Olivia. They hooked up a couple of times & Austin wasn’t into it. And Olivia couldn’t stand him after that. They tried to make the faux relationship storyline work & didn’t, and then she tried to further shove it down our throats this season & make us care, and most of us didn’t, because we saw right through it. Including her gross “I hate Austin!!!” screaming fits at the camera & then spending every second she could off camera desperately trying to connect with him *THEN* in a pathetic attempt to try to convince viewers that there had been a connection all along. Nope. Desperate & pathetic. And she should have known that someone was going to mention that sad move with her bra.🤢 Enough with this dramatic BS about bringing up mentioning things to “their family”. They talked to their SIBLINGS. To those two, as with MANY siblings, their brother & sister are/were their best friends. It’s no different. Acting like a petty teenager trying to dramatize making a quick mention about something you are briefly thinking about to *your best friend*. Even more messed up she or anyone else is continuing to bring this up knowing her brother is now dead. There was no continuous lying. She never even wanted to lie, she wanted to immediately tell the truth. Austin convinced her that she would only be hurting Olivia if she told. He knew exactly what he was doing. Austin was the main manipulator, yet Olivia had no problem ignoring the fact that he hadn’t even admitted to anything, but Taylor told the truth, yet it wasn’t the truth she WANTED to hear, so she refused to accept it, yet immediately started flirting with & texting with Austin off camera. You’re a juvenile if you think two people can’t just kiss. Grow up. Olivia has the emotional maturity of a 14 year old. Evidenced by the fact that SO many months later, at the reunion, after Taylor’s brother has recently died, she still refuses to accept her now many apologies, her truth, and instead called her a **** & **** human being, because of a KISS. And, YES, this was all JUST because of a kiss. And because Olivia is deeply immature. And was embarrassingly obsessed with Austin & couldn’t handle the rejection. And couldn’t stand the thought that he might have wanted her friend, when he didn’t want her. End of story.

Money can't buy him a personality or a sense of humor.😆

LMAO i had to rewind it just to make sure that's what i heard - so awkward!

Came to the KZfaq video just to see someone call this out 😂

Same! I thought I was going crazy...

Time stamp?

I noticed too😂 I think he did it on purpose because they didn’t edit it out

This! 100%

i dont think so . They are both wrong but also what can you say more than sorry, it was a time where Taylor lived in the moment with one person, she didn't think of consequences for others. I would have understood the reaction more if they had had sex or if it had gone on longer. It's a bit catty to act like Olivia if she meant they were best friends she should put herself in Taylor's situation and be more understandable.

maybe because he realized how childish this drama is

Love you, Kim!!! Would love to see what your thoughts are, even if it's just a portion of a longer video

@@squid9393 agree :)

100%

How many times do you want her to apologise??? So harsh - shes telling her POV, dont hear excuses.

@@ajr3770 it’s not about the apology, it’s about her constantly blaming others for her actions whenever she’s asked or she talks about it. She doesn’t ever take real accountability, she makes excuses for her behavior instead of full on owning it

@@tiffanypriore9220 you mean defending herself from the constant attacks? That poor girl has been through the wringer and gets no support whilst`Austin’s got off Scott-free. She’s constantly owned it and apologised but the minute she tries to explain shes making excuses. #meangirls

@@ajr3770no, she fully brings up others infidelities to deflect/compare and say “see I’m not that bad, everyone else has done it” it hasn’t been the same situation. She hurt one of her closest friends and cannot admit how much she hurt her friend she continued to downplay and tell Olivia she shouldn’t be upset. It’s manipulative, gas-lightish

They didn’t want to go/spend the $$ for their friend, they wanted a way out. All I kept thinking was these girls are not the brides friend at all😢

They didn’t even want to go with the discount/$ covered it was actually gross. Just tell your friend(using that term loosely) you don’t want to go. To make her cry and feel bad for her celebration is gross

I agree with you! Taylor was completely wrong bc she should have told Olivia despite what Austen said not to. But all of the girls took the chance to keep treating her bad when they knew she already felt horrible about what she did.

This girl has been tormented, slut shamed, and so much more. I have literally felt for her. I am so here for this interview.

It's sexism, honestly. The bros do much worse on the show and never are treated the way she was treated, especially by the other women

Exactly! Olivia drug it on FOREVER yet gave Austin a pass.

And dumb for bringing it up on a podcast where the bride might listen to

Was thinking the same thing!! Need more people talking about this 😅 Those prices are standard, if you can't afford it goodbye

Anyone else confused by their last comment?? How the bride will be surprised by the Airbnb because she doesn’t know they’re staying there? Huh?

yeah sounded like a load of whiney brats who aren't good friends, hope the bride hears this podcast. they should google average bachelorette party cost. @@woahitstristina

@@resolute01769 I think it’s all anonymous, but she really fucked it by plugging her podcast at the end 😂

Natalie gives major high school energy 🤦🏻‍♀️

@@claireweiland7178 well she’s super young, like really really young right? Early or mid twenties?

agreed, natalie says "TRULY" every goddamn intro and 45 lines later. TRULY

Omg AGREE. It’s giving spousal nepotism. Why is she there??

@@umokay5516 there are other podcast hosts who pair with their significant others on their shows. But I just think Nick was more entertaining, credible, and more himself without Natalie on.

So true

watch the Sandoval episode and say that again. He won back favor with me after that one.

Exactly! People are way too harsh on Taylor. I'm honestly shocked people cannot see more than one side here. She's a human who made a mistake. She explained her headspace and what led up to it. Explaining it and not being accountable are 2 different things.

Thats what i am saying :)

I want to know what our man Rodrigo has to say! He was pissed at Olivia and chomping at the bit to say some things…and Olivia was clearly trying to shut him up. Her nasty side was FLARING UP when he came out, I was like WOAH!🤔😮

Yes Rodrigo knows something and Olivia was worried he would say it. Her face said it all.

100 agree 😢I was disgusted with how they treated her. She’s a trooper!

It was so horrible!

I couldn't believe how much attention Olivia got about losing her brother compared to Taylor. Even in this interview. It was like one sentence. Like, sorry for your loss, and move on.

It makes no sense. I read that Olivia went out to Hollywood to be an actor and then moved back when she heard she could be on the show and that Austin relationship was staged. Also, she rakes Taylor through the coals but can still be buddies with Austin? Rude as hell@@MvP19877

Hard disagree that she ‘took accountability’. She acts like she is a child ands she is a full adult woman. It’s embarrassing.

@@Lkjhgf921acted like a child or someone in mental distress after a hard breakup and her world blowing up?

More excuses. She’s a grown woman. Grow up and take accountability. This culture of classifying and allowance is complete shit.

I think she was so lost she attached to anything that gave her some validation. I dont think she was thinking clearly. And then everyone attacking her the whole season felt uncomfortable for me to watch so i can only imagine her living it and always feeling like your on the attack 😬 not excusing it but she did cop it way more than Austin. Oh and not to mention passing around her nude! That is on another freaking level. Imagine. Imagine having to face everyone judging you.

Do tell where she spinned anything? Pretty sure she took ownership for it all

@@sh.boogieswhat reality do you live in? She blames everyone else but herself. Apologies don’t mean anything if you aren’t actually remorseful and want to tear everyone down for not accepting your fake apology

​@user-zh8gd3gd6u she repeatedly has said she takes accountability lol like what?? give her a break

Just caught it hahaha and she just giggles and doesn't say anything lmao

did you even watch the video? she literally said she regretted doing that and felt sorry for it.

And HOW exactly could she have done that, when they were all absolutely terrible to her the entire season??? They all slut-shamed her, talked behind her back, admitted TO EACH OTHER that she was lost & broken - but then laughed at her & talked shit about her instead of reaching out & asking if she was okay. They were awful “friends”. They literally made no attempt to be any kind of friend to her in any way, until Olivia was screaming at her at the reunion and calling her a c*** & telling her she was a **** human being for a KISS while grieving the loss of her recently deceased brother & best friend & at the same time dealing with months of nonstop online hate & slut-shaming being directed at her - and it sure felt like they only did that because they knew they were going to get a lot negative comments if NOBODY stepped in to check in on her after those disgusting comments. They spent the majority of the season cackling at how much she was struggling. Why would she think she could come to them for any kind of advice? They were actively, aggressively embarrassing, shaming her & telling her she wasn’t wanted around. I was more embarrassed for them than I was for Taylor. Taylor apologized. Olivia chose not to accept it, because she decided it’s not what she wanted to hear. She was pissed that Austin had even for a second considered something serious with Taylor, when he hadn’t entertained that for her, she was jealous, just like she’d been with Madison when Austin was still fixated on her during her Olivia’s first season & was nasty to Madison the whole season, and refused to let it go. That’s on Olivia. She’s got the emotional maturity of a teenager. So does anyone who thinks two people can’t just kiss. People need to grow up & move on. Olivia sure did with Austin. He didn’t even have to admit he did anything wrong.😑😵‍💫

I agree. She def made some poor choices like we all have in our life & unfortunately it was on national tv where everyone judges like they’ve never done anything wrong. It was wrong. She had a horrible breakup which isn’t an excuse but is context. She’s a human being. I get sick of seeing ppl being berated foreverrr over mistakes they or someone they love easily has made in their lives.

I’m so glad that they did this interview. Taylor was able to get through this season despite the horrible beating she took. Venita, Madison, Leva literally made her feel like she did something they had never done and Venita used this to weasel closer to the women. Venita is gross to me as she was an opportunist this year. Taylor showed how to get through scandal with strength and grace.

@@raydaysbeautylookout3783 How is VENITA gross?? Wtf did she do? Sympathizing for Taylor is trash.

I was thinking the same exact thing! I believe Taylor that Olivia forgave her and they were fine. Then producers got in Olivia's head hoping to turn this into another Sandoval and get an Emmy nomination. Olivia was probably thinking she would get sponsorships and other jobs from it like Ariana is. I honestly believe Olivia threw Taylor and her reconciled friendship away in hopes of being like Ariana. It really bugs me how nasty Olivia is to Taylor while she's traveling with Austin. It says a lot.

@@blueraven596 That secret exposes Olivia as a hypocrite and apparently was known by a few people around town. Olivia has been attacking Taylor for a storyline all season long, meanwhile she goes back and forth between giving Austen a pass and attacking him as well. No doubt Taylor was messy and bad friend, but Olivia is inconsistent and not what she appears to be either.

She was friends when she lied about it and she slept with him while K was pregnant.

at the reunion they were friends tho and lied and said no, i wouldn’t be happy if a girl that slept with my child father befriended me and never told me that, and then later lie when it gets brought up.

She is supposedly a woman of God but carries hate and judgement whether she is aware of it or not. She also might be leading an organization that even she might not realize is a cult. Mary puts all her eggs in one basket, the Lord, and shits on everyone else…she is in totality oblivious or simply ignorant to her hypocrisies. Given how much we know of her and the clear as day evidence we do not know all, I’d put money down that she is dangerous. Bravo takes chances and bets, she’s one of them. I loveeeee her comedic relief but that “comedy” is in actuality the shitty vinyl she uses, conscious or not, to “shield” herself and participate without actually doing so.

But much of Mary was never given a chance to blossom and grow. That is not her fault. But we can observe fairness in all forms and recognize her short comings whilst also being critical, because I truly feel that this critique is veryyyy necessary. It’s all about putting in the universe. So I pray she has a clear awakening.

Harm to who? Heather's lie about the producers and others could have really landed people in trouble. That's not to say that spying on Jen Shaw was not bad it was really bad. Jen Shaw was rping elderly people of their life savings that were on fixed income social security that had been saving money for years to live on. Stole it all. I'm not on anyone's side just saying a lot of the housewives troll Heather gay lied about people with the black eye.phaedra the Kandi Tod allegation Rpe drugs and sx dungeon

Ummm. Olivia’s situation with TRav is WAY worse. Olivia & Austin hooked up a few times. Who cares? Olivia perpetually acts like a high schooler. She’s super immature. She also slept with TRav at the beginning of his relationship with Kathryn, THEN intentionally befriended Kathryn, the mother of his children later on, to the point of her calling her one of her best friends, and THEN lied about it to everyone at the reunion. And obviously, very creepily, never told Kathryn. She’s going on & on about Taylor lying (she lied once, and then immediately came clean; Olivia just didn’t want to accept it. Taylor doesn’t have to admit to doing something she didn’t do. Austin didn’t come clean about anything, yet she was flirting & texting & hanging out with him every chance she could get off camera all season, & just went on vacation with him.🙄)…she’s a liar herself, and a master manipulator.

@@blueraven596 They both said they made out. Grow TF up. Nothing more, and stop trying to insinuate otherwise. You're all a bunch of children. It doesn't matter whether she knew Kathryn or not. It's weird & creepy AF to screw a dude & then actively go and become bff's with his baby mama and pretend it never happened. She still lied to everyone around her. Olivia is still a habitual liar and the ultimate hypocrite and manipulator. She lied & manipulated every one of her friends by pretending she was upset at Austin and the whole situation the entire season, meanwhile she was sneaking around with him, trying desperately to convince viewers that they were actually a thing any chance she could when the cameras were down, pathetically trying to build a connection way too late. Like Rodrigo said, producers chose to portray a certain narrative, but Olivia is and was horrible & mean to Taylor, she apologized many times, Olivia just refused to accept it. Taylor can't do anything about that. Olivia is seriously deficient when it comes to emotional maturity, or maturity of any kind when you look at how gross & hateful EVERYTHING about her was throughout the entire reunion. Go back and watch, and just focus on her body language, her facial expressions and the nasty things coming out of her mouth. She's the embodiment of bitterness and jealousy and a deeply inflated sense of self. Not to mention drowning in internalized misogyny. She said she could forgive & relate to anyone who's lost someone like she has when it was *only AUSTIN* whose sibling had passed away, but when Taylor's brother died JUST before the season began airing and she didn't have an entire year to grieve & heal before being thrown to the wolves, Olivia disgustingly used her vulnerable state to make sure that she felt that pain 10X more than she ever deserved. She's vile.

1000%

yeah im surprised no one else is seeing this pov

I have tried to say this exact thing before here and on Reddit. U would think I had committed a crime. I guess everyone has to hate Taylor and Stan Olivia. Personally I used to really like Olivia and was whatever with Taylor. After this season, my feelings towards them r completely reversed

I think the reason women tend to be VIGOROUSLY pro-Olivia and anti-Taylor is because of textbook PROJECTION. For most women, their ultimate fear is the man they love/want to be with... developing feelings for someone else, much less someone they know. So, like a pack of hyenas, they descend on Taylor, who's serving here as the archetypal "other woman" / the "threat", etc., in THEIR eyes, at least. To be clear, this is insecure women - secure women don't behave like this and just think, "This is much ado about nothing, these two should be friends again." @@Southernballmom