Going to prison over brake failure that led to the death of 4 people Let’s talk about what happened

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Gentry & Sons Trucking

Gentry & Sons Trucking

2 жыл бұрын

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@drivingwithbob4457
@drivingwithbob4457 2 жыл бұрын
When you get a CDL you’re accepting a huge amount of responsibility it ain’t no joke
@SPUPRR
@SPUPRR 2 жыл бұрын
thing is he didn't have a license. The license he had was only for texas travel ONLY.
@dontdoxmebro
@dontdoxmebro 2 жыл бұрын
@@SPUPRR Maybe that was a clerical error? Florida makes you state interstate or intrastate every time you get a new med card
@DanMcD80
@DanMcD80 2 жыл бұрын
@@dontdoxmebro thats federal
@georgekenny3601
@georgekenny3601 2 жыл бұрын
Especially when you get hazarous endorsement. Along with your CDL.
@Christianmendez-ig8xg
@Christianmendez-ig8xg 2 жыл бұрын
It makes me think twice about getting a CDL or not
@amichaelford8868
@amichaelford8868 2 жыл бұрын
I have been a truck driver for 36 years. I was taught by my dad and one of the very first things he told me and hammered it in was "You can go down a hill as many times as you want too slow, but you will only go down the hill once too fast". That has stuck with me all of my career. I have made many travels, with a fully grossed truck, over I-70 in Colorado, Cabbage, Grapevine, Baker, Parley's Summit in Utah to just name a few. I have never smoked my brakes. In fact, with the right gear and the jake brake, I would bring the truck down at about 30 mph and never touch the brakes. Like Tim said, these trucking companies/schools just want to get people in and out on the road. I have been asked several times to be a trainer. I see what kind of training (or lack there of) is coming out of the truck driving schools and I want no part of it. I would have no problem training someone, but not after a trucking school got done with them. The whole truck driving training system needs a major overhaul.
@npcwill283
@npcwill283 2 жыл бұрын
He said slow down to 30 and you do not need your brakes ! well said sir !
@toocoolfortheroom380
@toocoolfortheroom380 2 жыл бұрын
Truck driving schools aren't to blame. Most, if not all, don't teach actual downshifting and braking and engine braking for going down long steep grades in the truck. They only tell you on paper basically what you described. In my opinion it's on the companys to teach their drivers their routes in their trucks. 95%+ roads in the US don't require this exact knowledge which is why it's not taught everywhere. Geographically it can't be taught everywhere either. So yeah I'd say there should be a few more questions on the written test about mtn driving...but as far as making sure your driver is mtn competent and safe it falls to the private companies.
@wffs5228
@wffs5228 2 жыл бұрын
I know of someone that got his CDL and cant even back a trailer so yeah they need accountability
@floydsabin6737
@floydsabin6737 2 жыл бұрын
@@wffs5228 there is a lot of these driver's out there been in trucking 40+ yrs and retired last year have had enough drivers like this are fast becoming the majority was ask a while back why there are more truck wrecks nowadays I said because we're putting people in trucks that can't flip burgers at Micky Dee's take a driving school and turn them loose with a 80,000lb tractor trailer and wonder why drivers that aren't capable of shifting a manual trans and wonder why go figure
@Matt-kg3ge
@Matt-kg3ge 2 жыл бұрын
The school is only to give the basic information to obtain a CDL that's all . The company is were the training comes in. The reason why they are not getting the adequate training is due to the one's doing the training may not have the ability to tain due the lack of experience just look how so many of these individuals drive. So to blame the schools is absurd.
@elkvis
@elkvis 2 жыл бұрын
I hate that people refer to it as an emergency brake, because then they start to think of it as an emergency brake. It's not. It is a parking brake. It's not intended to stop a moving truck.
@MrKmcgee69
@MrKmcgee69 2 жыл бұрын
They call it an emergency brake/parking brake in school and on tests. But in reality its just a parking brake. Schools need to train better and OTR trainers need more than a few months experience to be a trainer. I blame this accident on lack of training. Driver did not know how to handle the situation.
@Last_of_my_breed
@Last_of_my_breed 2 жыл бұрын
Although they are "parking brake " technically, it IS a redundant system designed to apply the brakes with spring pressure in the event of an emergency like losing your air.
@eddiebeaty8150
@eddiebeaty8150 2 жыл бұрын
It is just a park brake. The springs in them, though strong have nowhere near the application pressure of the air system.
@bryce340v8
@bryce340v8 2 жыл бұрын
The other week I wanted to see what the parking brake would do to stop my 2017 F250 6.7. Empty side road, coasting at 20mph I mashed the parking brake. After 30-40 ft, it barely slowed me down and I released it. It would definitely not do any good at highway speeds, or downhill. I was definitely expecting a lot more out of it.
@Last_of_my_breed
@Last_of_my_breed 2 жыл бұрын
@@bryce340v8 you are comparing apples to oranges, pickups are too light and don't have double drive axles.
@ronclifford3336
@ronclifford3336 2 жыл бұрын
As a retired 40 year driver myself, I completely agree with you. They gave that boy 110 years in prison for being an undertrained, inexperienced rookie.
@mintyman1968
@mintyman1968 2 жыл бұрын
They gave him 110 years because that was the minimum for each of the laws he broke. They all have to be consecutively served. The reason he broke those laws though, is because he was an undertrained inexperienced rookie.
@ronclifford3336
@ronclifford3336 2 жыл бұрын
@@mintyman1968 My statement stands.
@mintyman1968
@mintyman1968 2 жыл бұрын
@@ronclifford3336 that’s your opinion, but they physically can’t charge someone for being unexperienced.
@ronclifford3336
@ronclifford3336 2 жыл бұрын
@@mintyman1968 It is what it is. Dont matter what somebody calls it.
@mintyman1968
@mintyman1968 2 жыл бұрын
@@ronclifford3336 yeah. I felt less remorse when I learned that he turned down an 11 year plea deal just because he thought he was gonna get a ticket.
@jakster1952
@jakster1952 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Tim, you bring a lot of wisdom in your experience to the public. Merry Christmas 🎁🎄 to you and the entire Gentry family. Blessings bro !
@raymondbradley6788
@raymondbradley6788 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome Tim! That’s what Christmas is all about giving of yourself.
@timothypelley7825
@timothypelley7825 2 жыл бұрын
Tim that was a great presentation. Very well spoken. There needs to be more like you out there that takes trucking seriously.
@bonnevillesaltpearl2943
@bonnevillesaltpearl2943 2 жыл бұрын
I always make sure I’m in a good enough gear to hold it back with the jake. Usually same gear as it takes to climb it. I let it get 10mph over with the jake and slow it to 10 under with the brakes and come off them to 10 over again. That way they don’t get too hot and let them get plenty of air. If in the proper gear you don’t have to use any brakes
@carriepoling4942
@carriepoling4942 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly! This was a case of a bad inexperienced driver that wasn’t trained properly and the idiot even passed the run away ramp. No excuse for endangering everyone. Makes a bad impression for real truck drivers! Damn idiot!
@darthwarren5121
@darthwarren5121 2 жыл бұрын
That’s how I did it when I was otr
@bonnevillesaltpearl2943
@bonnevillesaltpearl2943 2 жыл бұрын
@Jay Diggz you are exactly right they did give him his license. He played stupid when it happened and now magically he speaks perfect English on the stand?
@nitrocivic01
@nitrocivic01 2 жыл бұрын
How you explained is the way I do it and usually hardly use brakes because I’m held very good at that same speed
@keithrowell8895
@keithrowell8895 2 жыл бұрын
I don't know if it's true or not but they sead he didn't have a Jake break and was not licensed to leave the state of Texas
@byrongilbert3720
@byrongilbert3720 2 жыл бұрын
and yet everybody acts like its a huge mystery why the trucking industry is hurting for drivers.
@jdboyd1861
@jdboyd1861 2 жыл бұрын
This type of thing is at every company, not just trucking companies. It's different pressures, but people are still feeling the pressure in every industry, and people start to cut corners so they can make mileage or production goals.
@robertbrake9927
@robertbrake9927 2 жыл бұрын
I got familiar with trucks around a quarry and my neighbor letting me drive. I’m a driver of 26 years and still learning. Respect the weight and the equipment and those around you . And always drive out past the hood . Always be thinking ahead.
@cashman968
@cashman968 2 жыл бұрын
Great way to put it Brother. You could not have said this in a better way. I wish I could shake your hand for the way you presented this to all of us. You covered every angle of the crash.
@fogstain
@fogstain 2 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate the love you show for your driver's and industry.
@donschultz2477
@donschultz2477 2 жыл бұрын
great presentation Tim- most people don't know the dily responsibilities that a trucker has to endure. Trucking schools are there to make money- I hired a few but most didn't make the grade. To short of a training period to have an idea of what was to come. Keep up the good videos!!!
@toocoolfortheroom380
@toocoolfortheroom380 2 жыл бұрын
All schools can't teach everything, it's geographically impossible. This tragedy falls on the private company for not properly training their driver on their route. And of course it's the drivers fault too for it heeding warning signs. 50/50 in my book. 0% on whichever school.
@jayjaynella4539
@jayjaynella4539 2 жыл бұрын
Let me get this straight. The state puts in an emergency ramp for out of control truckers to use. When you do use it, you get black marks plus 10s of thousands of fees, and have difficulty driving a truck again. What evil act this is by the state. No wonder the truckie just went past the ramps rather than use them. Bureaucraps are going to be the death of us all one way or another.
@350mack
@350mack 2 жыл бұрын
Thats the political part of it. Sadly
@Kevinc34476
@Kevinc34476 2 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately Tim is correct, you use a runaway ramp your screwed. People don’t respect these 80,000 lb trucks. Every truck driver I stop is wonderful. What makes them miserable is the people who drive and disrespect the weight they are hauling.
@schtix392
@schtix392 2 жыл бұрын
Same in Australia there’s one hill that iv been down called the Adelaide hills, and it’s got to the point where if you’re vehicle is spotted with its brake lights illuminated it’s a $1000 fine 1st offence 3rd offence is 3 year licence disqualification… and god help you if you use the arrester beds…
@benjamin5028
@benjamin5028 2 жыл бұрын
That needs to change.
@kevkoala
@kevkoala 2 жыл бұрын
@@schtix392 Think they have the run offs on Cunningham's Gap in Queensland as well. Not sure of the Banana Bender's law for that sort of thing.
@dwanemontgomery4287
@dwanemontgomery4287 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent information. Keep up the good work, God bless and Merry Christmas to you and yours, and also all the good people that watch your channel. See ya on top.
@craigwhittingslow9689
@craigwhittingslow9689 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for being real and honest and explaining to the people that don’t understand. Keep safe out there friend 🙏🙏💪
@highlypolishedturd7947
@highlypolishedturd7947 2 жыл бұрын
I've been working for a long time at a large Canadian carrier. I spent a few years training new drivers, and had to walk away from it while I still had a little bit of sanity. Those of us on the roads know this is a serious business, but many people won't take it seriously. Though I've had a few former students come back to me, telling stories of a bad experience or near miss, and I tell them... " I told you so!"
@rubbertrucker1363
@rubbertrucker1363 2 жыл бұрын
in Canada a few years ago there was a hockey team killed by a driver with his cdl for only a month .he was hauling a set of superb trailes that max out at 130000 lbs .he went to prison the owner of the truck just changed the name of the company and carried on doing the same thing. we need more regulations on when a driver can be on his own and companies held to higher standards
@benjaminstockton3917
@benjaminstockton3917 2 жыл бұрын
I agree with you Tim thanks for sharing. Merry Christmas too you and your family
@robertmatthews2776
@robertmatthews2776 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Tim, Your Right... Merry Christmas to Y'ALL AN GOD BLESS ALL Y'ALL,MAY GOD LOVE BE ON ALL Y'ALL.
@banditgrizzy1955
@banditgrizzy1955 2 жыл бұрын
The best kind of driver to find is a driver that grew up with a driver in the industry. Been around it all while growing up as a kid. Those years make a major difference. 💪
@joeellsworth4710
@joeellsworth4710 2 жыл бұрын
Sure dose. I grow up around trucks my hole life with my uncle's and my dad as truckers. The one thing they Taught me was to always respect a truck . I did go to a school 4 my license cuz I had no other way to do it. But I want in there knowing what a truck can do if u dont respect it. And I came out the same way. I've been doing it for 21 years now and I still act that its my first time doing. My dad and uncle always said the day u think you know everything is the day you hang up the keys. I've might have gone to a school but my family taught me how a truck is and to respect it. And if I don't know something I'm not afraid to ask someone who might.. always learning everyday.
@seamusburke9101
@seamusburke9101 2 жыл бұрын
Thats me!
@davidfloener7539
@davidfloener7539 2 жыл бұрын
When you say he doesn't deserve all those years in jail, I would agree the school/company should do half the time for their part & negligence contributing to this crash but I'm sure the lawsuits are already filed.
@tdc9136
@tdc9136 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe hold the motor vehicle dept where he passed his test in spanish accountable. You have to read write and understand English to obtain a CDL according to FMCSA and reports said this dudes English was limited.
@Matt-kg3ge
@Matt-kg3ge 2 жыл бұрын
Ok the school is only a basic to obtain a CDL PERIOD. He chose to continue he also chose to try to hit another vehicle to try to stop correct and as far as the company goes they were not driving the truck he was ok . And when he left the company property and problems with the truck became his fault weather he knew about it or not . As far as blaming other's people for his choices is ludicrous. His choices cost the lives and damage people for the rest of there lives. Stop making him the victim he is not. The victims 4 were killed by his negligence and the others had to witness it . They are the only one's that are the victims.
@solidrockofjesuschristmini2423
@solidrockofjesuschristmini2423 2 жыл бұрын
I went to TMC and they did pretty good training, but these other schools I'm hearing are terrible, it's bare minimum all the way
@weathertrainsrandomniss1083
@weathertrainsrandomniss1083 2 жыл бұрын
Nicely said. Not a driver myself,gald to hear someone with first hand knowledge explain. Merry Christmas.
@codymedeiros7243
@codymedeiros7243 2 жыл бұрын
Perfectly said, you are exactly on point much respect to saying your opinion, God bless you and your family
@douglasdraheim4405
@douglasdraheim4405 2 жыл бұрын
Tim I think that company and the government should be held responsible as well . To let these guys drive out that way with no experience is responsible also .
@mintyman1968
@mintyman1968 2 жыл бұрын
Company paid for it. They went bankrupt and closed down. The government definitely needs to have better programs.
@supremeautomotive6749
@supremeautomotive6749 2 жыл бұрын
No it all comes down to the driver you are supposed to pre check everything if you are lazy and don't check your stuff then you are at fault period.
@josephcox4319
@josephcox4319 2 жыл бұрын
@@supremeautomotive6749 I agree to a point, this could have been a situation as to where this is his first job, he got basic training at best to get a license, and they put him in a truck, alot of these fly by night companies are doing just that, and this company is no different, I looked them up and it appears this company has had a boat load of issues and how they were not shut down years ago is beyond me. Golden rule, "Your only as good as your teacher" and obviously this company wasn't a good teacher. I wasn't there to see what defects this truck had or what mechanically started the chain of events but I know about being new to the game and all that goes with it even after 40 plus years I remember like it was 10 minutes ago my mistakes and learned, unfortunately this young man didn't have a chance to learn due to the deaths involved but the sentence was either way, way to harsh, not saying he shouldn't have had consequences behind it but this was overkill from the non trucking community.
@danmackintosh6325
@danmackintosh6325 2 жыл бұрын
@@josephcox4319 Spot on, end of the day maybe he should've taken the run off, maybe he should've gone off the top slower, maybe this maybe that but everybody F-s up now and then. The problem here is the lack of training/quality of training that was given, which left him ill equipped to deal with the situation he found himself in & as Tim said, probably had "avoid the runoff at all costs" ringing in his ears. HUGELY over the top sentence though, knowing what his F-up has done to 4 people and their families is nearly punishment enough, he's living the rest of his life with that on his shoulders whether he's free or caged. Definitely agree he should serve some time, since end of the day it's him & only him who was holding that wheel and making the final decisions on where the rig went but to basically throw away the key on him, when there's folk who've intentionally took lives and r*ped people and other sick things walking free after a few years, it's hugely wrong. What it comes down to for me is, he had zero intention to kill or hurt anyone.
@daultontransport4703
@daultontransport4703 2 жыл бұрын
@@supremeautomotive6749 It really boils down to how that driver was trained. The trainer that trained him, did a poor job of training that driver how to properly inspect his truck, otherwise, that driver would’ve had the common sense to say, ‘hey, my truck and trailer isn’t safe, I’m not moving it until this, and this, and this, is fixed,’ because that’s what *I* would’ve done.
@michaelanderson2742
@michaelanderson2742 2 жыл бұрын
From one old truck driver to another thank you for what you did at the truck stop for Christmas most guys really enjoy that I'm sure I was stuck in Buffalo New York with a broke down truck and 12in of snow for Christmas one year wasn't my best Christmases I'm like you I do believe it was a true accident and the time he got was way too much but what is the right amount
@danmackintosh6325
@danmackintosh6325 2 жыл бұрын
True true, he made shitty decisions but the training he recieved played a huge part in the way he made them. He F-ed up and IMO considering the fact that he didn't set out to hurt anyone and wasn't given the right mental tools to deal with the situation/not get into the situation, if I'd been the judge I think I'd have given him a year for each life taken. Simply as a token, he has a life sentence of remorse and mental trauma as it is.
@darbywing2
@darbywing2 2 жыл бұрын
@@danmackintosh6325 Do you really believe the guy who made choice after choice not to risk his own safety, but to put others in that place will have a lifetime of remorse? His only remorse is that he didn't choose the plea bargain offered.
@gdwright85
@gdwright85 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you man you changed my view on how I felt about this situation.
@jackzachary2728
@jackzachary2728 2 жыл бұрын
That guy will never forget that day ever proper training is key merry Christmas from cross ville
@jonnyonwheels
@jonnyonwheels 2 жыл бұрын
What gets me is that there are drivers who have killed people due to drug/alcohol use and only serve single-digit sentences.
@samuelsantiago819
@samuelsantiago819 2 жыл бұрын
I thank you for your great explanation of the braking system. I agree that tha sentence was exaggerated. I my self lost my brakes going downhill. They actually broke in pieces. I only had seconds to come up with a plan. I was able to downshift enough to get the truck down the hill, but I was fortunate that thare was a good open area at th bottom of the hill where I was able to pull off and bring the truck to a stop. It is a feeling I don't wish on anyone.
@ivanweldridge1661
@ivanweldridge1661 2 жыл бұрын
You always hit everything on the mark and give the best input it why u one my top Idols out there and I found a few trucks you might want to look in to like a old Mack Tow truck and cab overs
@ericjonruef3928
@ericjonruef3928 2 жыл бұрын
I think you were right on all your points as a former truck driver I agree 110 years is total stupid . Tim you and the family have a great holiday season and keep moving forward I enjoy your videos
@alecmccance8409
@alecmccance8409 2 жыл бұрын
I think the ones that should be in jail Tim are the driving school where this guy was trained. A tragic loss of life.
@jackmagnium6115
@jackmagnium6115 2 жыл бұрын
agreed. its not only sad. but its also rushed like what the fuck man!?
@hansenhansen8349
@hansenhansen8349 2 жыл бұрын
No training, he was out of gear, he thought he could coast down the hill. He took four lives, multiple cars. Life in prison or 110 years what's the difference. Know your truck know your Jake brake system. I'm a professional driver, control braking, stab braking and your Jake brakes.
@SPUPRR
@SPUPRR 2 жыл бұрын
Why? His license only allowed him to drive in the state of texas. Wasn't an interstate license.
@keithrowell8895
@keithrowell8895 2 жыл бұрын
Can't blame the school. It's the driver the company and the state of Texas
@onementality9781
@onementality9781 2 жыл бұрын
My whole family have been truck drivers and I realized at a young age that truck drivers have a huge responsibility that I wasn't willing to take on plus the other reason I didn't want to become a truck driver is the fact that DOT is out to fine the piss out of them guys and I know I'm 100% most likely to make many mistakes.
@jamesabernathy4025
@jamesabernathy4025 2 жыл бұрын
Tim, Thanks for your insight. Great Information.
@tonygrate623
@tonygrate623 Жыл бұрын
I have been a truck driver for 21 years now!!! Tim you are exactly right I feel bad for him!!! You are a real good guy Tim and I hope you and your family are doing well!!!!
@Upracefan
@Upracefan 2 жыл бұрын
I think the cdl school and whoever trained him should be held partially responsible as well, no different than a bar serving a drunk driver that goes out and kills someone.
@darbywing2
@darbywing2 2 жыл бұрын
I disagree, the person who is ultimately responsible is the one who operated the vehicle. Bar owners/bar tenders are no more responsible for the actions of their customers than Ben and Jerrys is responsible for diabetes and obesity.
@Upracefan
@Upracefan 2 жыл бұрын
@@darbywing2 Except one kills an innocent person and the other kill’s themselves, 2 very different things.
@gst4043
@gst4043 2 жыл бұрын
Some Many people buy cdl ,they pay for that. That is the first reason the news they dont want a talk about that because they have b...g b...ll people with p...r that they want to ...c....vr.
@grego10r
@grego10r 2 жыл бұрын
@@darbywing2 did u nkow to make cdl in f usa its a f//kn joke blame the system
@jimlovesgina
@jimlovesgina 2 жыл бұрын
Completely different. The bars shouldn't be held responsible at all. How are they to know that some idiot is going to choose to drive after drinking? It is perfectly and reasonably possible that someone drinking is going to take a cab or find some other way to get home. How is it up to the bartender to decide how much is too much for someone to walk home? The idea that a bartender should be held responsible is unbelievably stupid.
@josephcox4319
@josephcox4319 2 жыл бұрын
I have to agree with you, this young man didn't wake up and say "I think I'll use my rig as a missile and ram it up everyone's butt today", he has a good appeal if he can get a descent attorney, to get that kind of time usually the courts have to prove intent and premeditation, they failed to do this but yet because Americans love there goods but hate those that deliver it, he didn't have a chance. The company he drove for had very bad records and should have been shut down years ago, I think they should have gone after the owners harder than they did. I've been around this business since 1968 with my dad's business and had to start out washing trucks, tarping loads for the line drivers, shuttling trailers, learning the bookwork etc., Then the mechanics of both tractor and trailer, it wasn't until 1979 before I was turned loose in a truck and then it was local for the first two years, my first out of state run was from Phoenix to Albuquerque hauling lumber, but the point is, there is no more good training, these companies treat these new trucks as if they were cars and for profit sake, turn drivers loose in a few weeks with no real world knowledge.
@dominick253
@dominick253 2 жыл бұрын
Did you read the court transcript? You should. He purposely didn't do anything to avoid it. That said he shouldn't get 110 years. That's what a cold blooded murderer gets and he didn't set out to kill .
@DanMcD80
@DanMcD80 2 жыл бұрын
He INTENDED to bypass and did bypass 3-4 runaway truck ramps AFTER his brake were burnt out.
@certified614number1
@certified614number1 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for being real with your opinion. Most level view I've heard so far.
@tillmanxl6914
@tillmanxl6914 2 жыл бұрын
Tim, I hope you and your family had a Merry Christmas, have a Happy New Year.
@supremeautomotive6749
@supremeautomotive6749 2 жыл бұрын
Its always the drivers fault its called pre inspection and no one does it anymore they hear money and don't care about anything else. Check your trucks everyday you are responsible as driver for equipment period. Can't blame anyone else
@darbywing2
@darbywing2 2 жыл бұрын
Even if the truck had insufficient brakes and the driver didn't catch it, he had multiple opportunities to ditch the truck, but chose to use the passenger vehicles as crash barrels instead. This is why he got the sentence he did.
@safetyfirstintexas
@safetyfirstintexas 2 жыл бұрын
Turn your truck in to the mechanic shop for repairs. See what happens.
@davidedelman2137
@davidedelman2137 2 жыл бұрын
Tim I truly agree with you he made a mistake yes he deserves to pay for it but not for the rest of his life
@joegosselin2888
@joegosselin2888 2 жыл бұрын
I disagree. He made MANY mistakes and had many chances to fix his mistakes he chose to save himself and took 4 other peoples lives. He deserves every day he received
@curtisgillespie919
@curtisgillespie919 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for being the man and business owner you are.
@LSABravada
@LSABravada 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks im am a newer driver and have went down hills at 65 70 and never worried about someone being stopped at the bottom because all then trucks around me did it too but after watching this and listining to you talk about it i will never do it again thank your for sharing this
@thagamingchef1598
@thagamingchef1598 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I feel that these "schools" that push CDL Class "A" out in 4 weeks needs to be gone , period !!! For the most part it cost 4-5 K and BARELY teaches ANYTHING and it's COMPLETELY WORTHLESS !!! I personally feel that these schools need to be at least 8 weeks AND any company that hire these drivers afterwards SHOULD set them up with TRAINERS that have AT LEAST 1 YEAR over the road EXPERIANCE before these "ROOKIES" are assigned their own trucks !!!
@robbalinski1606
@robbalinski1606 2 жыл бұрын
lol and then there's me who got my license in 2 weeks of training and never had an accident or ticket. Was driving for 6 years before hitting the mountain's with 140,000lbs and still made a mistake and cooked my brakes all the way down by being one gear to high. Even experienced you can still make that mistake taking on the mountain's. Now had my license for 10 years and still zero accident's or infractions, what Im trying to say is it's an utter crap shoot. 4 wheelers need more training even more then the fresh out of school CDL drivers period.
@Matt-kg3ge
@Matt-kg3ge 2 жыл бұрын
Why the schools are only giving them the basics to obtain a CDL PERIOD. The rest is on the student to take in the training that is given to them by there trainers that might be the problem due to the ability to understand the language of the one's training driver's you think that if the regulations that are set buy the CSA are only for the one's who can understand it and don't apply to others you think.
@mcgregor711
@mcgregor711 2 жыл бұрын
I feel exactly the same way. I would look into who passed him in his license.
@daveturner2994
@daveturner2994 2 жыл бұрын
Everything you said is so true about slowing down on hills I haul lumber up In Virginia from Georgia and have had a couple really close calls that could have been really bad. I'm not brand new to trucking but only been at about 4 years and theses experiences have really slowed me down and made me another more aware of what can happen.
@Dishonoru
@Dishonoru 2 жыл бұрын
I started driving in 89 hauling lumber out of northern Cali , pre-spotted owl , in an old 79 freightliner cabover with a 400 cummins and no jake I learned real quick to go easy going through the mountains and it was so ingrained that even with a big engine and lighter loads I always took it easy.
@billb5029
@billb5029 2 жыл бұрын
This had NOTHING to do with brake failure..I drive that stretch, He had NO business being behind the wheel, totally incompetent driver. He was 100% responsible and could have avoided all of this
@larsmeijerink5471
@larsmeijerink5471 2 жыл бұрын
You know that because you were there when it happened right? You don't really know what happened, you just speculate. Unless you know him or what really happened, and I really believe you don't. So keep you opinion to yourself.
@billb5029
@billb5029 2 жыл бұрын
To Lars...and I suppose you were there..I have seen the footage from cameras up to the point of the "accident"..I've seen some of these incompetent drivers on that strech from the tunnels down to Denver. How come I can get passed by some clown driving a Semi doing 85+ in a 65 speed limit..IF you have EVER driven that stretch you have seen it. YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT if you think this was NOT HIS FAULT..
@larsmeijerink5471
@larsmeijerink5471 2 жыл бұрын
@@billb5029 i don't have a opinion about it because no I wasn't there. I don't know what happened. Yes there are a lot of people not knowing what they do, but that doesn't mean its always like that. Footage doesn't give you the full picture. You weren't there so YOU DON'T KNOW what happened and your just speculating based on what you have seen happening in the past. You have 0 prove about this case that this guy did the same like some other idiots. So no I don't know what happened because I wasn't there and I hate it when people speculate about things they don't know anything about. That is hurting people without you knowing for a 100% if its true
@dennispfohl4737
@dennispfohl4737 2 жыл бұрын
I agree Tim, and I personally know I-70 there well as I've driven it for many years, and can tell you that he had plenty of options to ditch his truck even after blowing past a runaway ramp, he didnt even attempt to go in and there is a video out there showing it. The final stretch before he plowed into the stopped traffic at the Mills parkway overpass is a long straight stretch that levels out, he had several miles of grassy medium and several exit ramp greenbelts he could have ditched into as well, but he chose to stay on the interstate and right into a bunch of stopped cars that he could no doubt see thier brake lights for nearly a mile. It is sad as several of the victims burned to death in the ensuing fireball, the kid is the 5th victim of this tragedy as his life will be spent in prison but he is culpable, it wasnt just a simple case of brakes failing as some seem to believe. In my opinion, the company he drove for should share in the blame as they put him on a load he had no business hauling on a road he should never have been without training.
@darbywing2
@darbywing2 2 жыл бұрын
This is the only reply that actually describes the situation. Why aren't there dozens of upvotes? It is because people don't want to take responsibility for their actions.
@jasperbates6760
@jasperbates6760 2 жыл бұрын
It's easy to talk about a subject and give your opinion Dennis Pfohl. It does not mean though you know what you are talking about. You don't know what all the facts are surrounding this case. And I can tell you that a 110 year prison sentence that came out of the State of Colorado is absolute overkill and unjustified in any court of law. I understand how it came to this point since I myself was a Professional O.T.R. driver, trainer, and instructor for over 30 years. With a combined 33 years total experience with the U.S.D.O.T. & F.M.C.S.A. & T.X. D.O.T. as well as the Texas Department, & U.S. Departments of Criminal Justice system, as well as Corporate laws and statutes relative to the Commercial Transportation Industry. I was forced to retire in 2019 due to a stroke while operating a commercial unit in the State of Virginia, and I am now disabled at only 49 years of age. I passed legislation myself throughout "All of the 48 continental United States including the U.S. House of Representatives and the U.S. Senate". And have been involved in numerous court cases & legal investigation's in both State & Federal courts throughout the U.S. related to the Commercial Transportation Industry for a period of again 33 years. That includes the implementation of the electronic logging devices that are now utilized throughout the commercial trucking industry across the U.S.. My entire life has been involved in the Commercial Transportation Industry. So, with that said 110 years is unacceptable for numerous moral reasons. I do agree that what happened is tragic, sad, and everyone is accountable from the corporations involved with the load, to the driver, the courts, the departmental agencies, but that should also include years of experience, training etc.....for all parties involved. You don't just throw the book at someone because you want to make an example out of them. I agree with the driver's own attorney's that a 20 year sentence was the minimum sentence the driver could have received. And that would have been sufficient. The judge wrongfully gave the Texas driver the maximum sentence allowed. Only because the driver and his attorney's refusal to accept a State plea offered by the court, that the judge and prosecutor in the case deemed as "reasonable". In other words the judge and prosecutor both in the case retaliated against the driver, and his attorney only due to their refusal to accept the plea offer made by the State. And just so you know we don't know what they originally offered it might have been 40 years above the minimum sentence. And that is why the driver and his attorney might have refused. So that is why I say you don't know all the facts of this case. And this driver's attorney has the right to file an appeal on the court's decision. If I were his attorney I sure would, and I would give a strong rebuke and warning to the people of that State of Colorado, as well as any professional drivers operating in that State of Colorado who travel into the State of Texas. The people of the State of Texas do not agree with the people of State of Colorado in their decision.
@keithrowell8895
@keithrowell8895 2 жыл бұрын
And the state of Texas for giving him a CDL he can't read or speak our language. But he Shor spoke good in court. I think he was faking it.iut on the road wen they 1st spoke to him
@alsehl3609
@alsehl3609 2 жыл бұрын
He was fooling with his phone and did not see the traffic. He plowed into the traffic while on cruise control.
@keithrowell8895
@keithrowell8895 2 жыл бұрын
@@alsehl3609. O shut u p
@frankpagel2329
@frankpagel2329 2 жыл бұрын
Tim you are a good man. I agree with you 100 percent. Safe driving man
@toddrains2128
@toddrains2128 2 жыл бұрын
Mr Gentry, i was born out in oregon, thats where i started driving. ive got nothing but respect for those mountains. i been driving over 30 years and i still roll slow going down them.
@darbywing2
@darbywing2 2 жыл бұрын
I'm betting you would take the runaway ramp and/or drive your rig into the wall, or off the road before doing what this scumbag did, as well.
@kslaght
@kslaght 2 жыл бұрын
I agree with you Tim 💯
@chicagojoe2737
@chicagojoe2737 2 жыл бұрын
Once the runaway starts its to late! Its running down the hill! Split second decisions with no experience in that situation he was sure to wreck! I remember watching a live video and he went in on the shoulder and I knew it was gonna be bad in a few seconds . just under the bridge it turned into a fiery death!
@darbywing2
@darbywing2 2 жыл бұрын
It wasn't too late for him to make the multiple choices he could have made, to run his truck off the road rather than into the passenger vehicles, though.
@bobrohrer5925
@bobrohrer5925 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Tim. Appreciate your comments on this tragic situation in Colorado. Agree with you that 110 years in prison is not the way this matter should be resolved. The 4 dead people were killed in a horrific truck accident. You should approach your US Senators (Hagerty & Blackburn) and let them know your views on how this accident could be avoided by every driver, including ruck drivers. All drivers need better training to better handle or navigate through dangerous situations they are in on the road. This knowledge is mandatory to save lives. Every driver needs to know them and be tested on their ability to handle the situation safely before they get and every year they maintain active a CDL.
@acep1ngaming871
@acep1ngaming871 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you ......very informative and educational ❤
@ramblingman8992
@ramblingman8992 2 жыл бұрын
We had a similar incident a few years back here in the UK. An 18 year old driver was descending a hill in a busy area in a 38 ton tipper. He applied the brakes to slow for a sharp bend but the brakes failed. The end result was he ploughed into a group of children leaving the primary school situated on the bend. I believe 8 children lost their lives. The driver was found innocent after an investigation showed that the previous evening, the company mechanic had done a bodge repair on the brakes after an issue was reported. Both the company owner, who had instructed the bodge repair to be done and the mechanic got life in jail.
@jayjaynella4539
@jayjaynella4539 2 жыл бұрын
That is great to hear. It is those people that need to serve time. It is my theory that if CEOs have to go to jail, there will be a lot fewer incidents like this. A LOT fewer.
@tylerbarrett6652
@tylerbarrett6652 2 жыл бұрын
I drove a truck for 20 years.... and trained over 50 students. One thing I tried to impress upon them is that with a potential gross weight of 80k, you gotta figure you are at least 20 times heavier than your average vehicle... So it's 20 times MORE IMPORTANT to drive safely - and that includes doing your inspections and safety checks and everything else.
@schadenfreude2555
@schadenfreude2555 2 жыл бұрын
""Brake Failure" is almost always a Bogus Excuse for failure to keep a truck under control. Properly-maintained, properly adjusted, and properly used truck brakes almost Never fail. The most common causes of "Brake Failure" on trucks is failure to keep them adjusted, failure to use them properly, or driving too fast for conditions. A truck's service brakes (the foot-operated brakes) should NOT be used for long downgrades. Engine brakes are for long downgrades. Properly used, the engine brake will take the gravitational energy the truck loses as it goes down the hill and convert it to heat energy, so the service brakes do not need to be used at all. If the engine brakes do not keep the truck's speed down, then use the service brakes to slow it, and downshift to a low enough gear that the engine brakes keep the speed down. Engine brakes and lower gear selection are for going down hills. If the driver rides the service brakes going down hill, those service brakes are already half way to failure by the time the truck gets part way down the hill. Then, if the truck must be stopped for any reason, the stopping distance will be excessive, if the truck can be stopped at all. If a heavily-loaded truck is traveling on a level road at 65 Miles per Hour, its service brakes are typically adequate for ONE quick stop, and will be smelly hot after that ONE stop. They should be allowed to cool before the truck goes any further. Basic Physics dictates that the stopping distance of a vehicle going down hill will always be greater than if traveling on the level, even if the brakes are cool when first applied. Going down a mountain using service brakes will quickly overheat the brakes unless the truck is going very slow. If the engine brake system is not working, the truck should not be used in the mountains. Period. If it ceases to operate while going down a long hill, and the driver has not been riding the service brakes, and if the speed of the truck has been kept down to a proper low speed, the service brakes will be adequate to slow the truck and stop it if necessary. Truck Driving Schools should be drilling these lessons on brakes into the minds of their pupils, particularly if those pupils are ever going to leave the flat prairies in a truck.
@robwolfholt618
@robwolfholt618 2 жыл бұрын
@@schadenfreude2555 the driver here could not use engine brake here the truck he crashed had no engine brake not all trucks are equipped with an engine brake.
@user-qb7qg2pp6w
@user-qb7qg2pp6w 2 жыл бұрын
@@schadenfreude2555 I agree with the gear selection being key, I was taught to always use a minimum of one gear lower than it took to climb the hill when decending. If the Jake doesn't hold you back and slow you you are in too high of a gear.
@schadenfreude2555
@schadenfreude2555 2 жыл бұрын
@@robwolfholt618 If a Class 8 highway tractor does not have a working engine exhaust brake, engine retarder system, or electronic driveline retarder, no one should be driving it on hilly roads.
@robwolfholt618
@robwolfholt618 2 жыл бұрын
@@schadenfreude2555 just because some snowflakes can't drive a real truck doesn't mean no one should I can operate my truck safer on any road than most snowflakes can oper a truck with Jake's. I personally don't like Jake's and there are a lot of towns in US that will cite you for using the Jake's
@MyHotRod79
@MyHotRod79 2 жыл бұрын
You are awesome. Keep up the good work. People don't understand what it takes to do what you do. 80,000 thousand pounds going down hill is just insane. Very unfortunate it turned out that way.👍🏻
@garrettthompson8314
@garrettthompson8314 2 жыл бұрын
Great Video I agree with you about The Truck driver needed alot more training You always have GREAT Video's
@user-xb3nk6dx3g
@user-xb3nk6dx3g 2 жыл бұрын
He was at fault 100% He failed his test in Texas And paid someone in Florida to pass him He smoked his brakes plus people had called him in for speeding prior He didn’t pull over to let his brakes cool instead kept driving. He decided to not pull into the emergency ramps. Those people burned alive in their cars. That driver had no business driving a truck He didn’t
@haroldphipps3457
@haroldphipps3457 2 жыл бұрын
@@AceSmoke662 point out an incorrect statement in his post. If you know the FACTS of the case, you can't. But by all means, fill us in.
@kjisnot
@kjisnot 2 жыл бұрын
When he got out of his truck he asked to use a phone so he could call for a ride out of there. Homeless people were trying to rescue victims while he tried to run away. He would have had a view of the stopped traffic a couple of miles before he hit. He had at least 13 miles to do something. There was a center median and a couple of areas on the shoulder he could have tried to sacrifice his truck before the wreck site. None of those choices are easy but he did nothing but keep going and kill 4 people, injure a bunch and cause huge property damage. I don't know how true it is but reports were he didn't even understand the road signs due to his lack of English proficiency. I would be willing to bet the 99.999% of truckers would at least try to help rescue people. Not him.
@user-xb3nk6dx3g
@user-xb3nk6dx3g 2 жыл бұрын
@@kjisnot you are correct I pulled up after the crash and witnessed first responders just getting started they tried to save people. He and the governor will answer to god for the mistreatment of the innocent people killed that day because this man’s choice to use the public as a crash cushion . The public will see more crashes like this unfortunately because the Governor sent a message of it’s ok to not follow the laws. As a professional truck driver the safety of the public comes first even if that means I die by putting my truck in a ditch. That man will be punished by god in the afterlife
@godsok1
@godsok1 2 жыл бұрын
I’m glad I didn’t go to truck driving school! I learned to drive at Mayflower never went with a trainer and leased purchased a 1989 Peterbilt cab over been trucking ever since. I feel bad for everyone involved! RIP
@jackmagnium6115
@jackmagnium6115 2 жыл бұрын
same here. im just wondering if its a requirement to be trained to have a big rig license. I dont know much about trucking standards so please fill me in people
@sykwookiee
@sykwookiee 2 жыл бұрын
@@jackmagnium6115 If you can borrow a truck and can pass the test, you can get your license...experience comes in when you are trying to get on with a company...I've seen guys get their license, get 'em a truck and go truckin'...that's insane to me...I started with box trucks and moved up, when I learned what I needed to, I moved up to the next level...I only moved up when I felt comfortable with it...the lives that are in our hands are more important than the schedule...I have argued that point with companies more than anything else...
@jackmagnium6115
@jackmagnium6115 2 жыл бұрын
@@sykwookiee did they listen some of the time? im not trying to argue. alot of my info comes from multiple sources. even news articles sometimes
@jackmagnium6115
@jackmagnium6115 2 жыл бұрын
@@sykwookiee i will agree lives are more important. but if that costs the company hundreds of thousands of dollar all because someone wrecked a rig to save someone else's life? then whats the point? companies these days are trying to survive. especially with stiff competition at their throats
@jackmagnium6115
@jackmagnium6115 2 жыл бұрын
@@sykwookiee im no trucker but that doesnt mean i know what is what. i wouldnt even be talking about this if i didnt know all the details. keep in mind i took economics. money is what keeps companies alive. no money. no businss. simple as that from what i have observed
@glennhunter7018
@glennhunter7018 2 жыл бұрын
Tim you got a big heart my friend going to the truckstop that was so good of you to do that my friend and you are right that truck driver did not deserve all of that jail time for that like you said no experience. Pray 4 The families and him to be safe
@joemonroe3811
@joemonroe3811 2 жыл бұрын
God bless all you truck drivers thank you for your service I hope you all have a great year
@moose354
@moose354 2 жыл бұрын
Tim, you understand your responsibilities as a CMV driver. The guy in CO had a number of issues that were in his control: The driver has final authority over whether to drive or not drive an inoperative truck. The driver failed to check his brake adjustments at the top of the grade. The driver failed to lower his speed to 35 mph at the top of the grade. The driver failed to take the emergency escape ramp. There are four places that were in the driver's control. What is worse, a bad CSA score or killing people and going to prison? The owner(s) of the truck should be going to prison for putting an unqualified driver in a high-stress, critical situation.
@jackmagnium6115
@jackmagnium6115 2 жыл бұрын
a bad CSA score cause not everyone has that kind of money laying around and thats pretty much for everyone who just got started. a bad score puts u out and most people go broke. those that do survive have to endure what they did.
@jackmagnium6115
@jackmagnium6115 2 жыл бұрын
also blame it on the company and school too. if they hadnt rushed stuff and did it right the first try. none of this would have happened. even I had to get my shit together before graduating and completing all my classes. a bad score would make me look bad.
@dianneestell6554
@dianneestell6554 2 жыл бұрын
Agree 100%
@jackmagnium6115
@jackmagnium6115 2 жыл бұрын
@@dianneestell6554 thanks
@cherylcarlson3315
@cherylcarlson3315 2 жыл бұрын
My son drove OTR for a year and regionally for a while. racked up service failures for refusing unsafe equipment, late delivery when heavy snow reduced speed, being too tired to drive further while having a cold. He was harassed by dispatchers calling when he was supposed to be sleeping, counting breakdowns along side of road as 36hr reset, telling him to just do patch jobs instead of taking things into the shop. It takes a mature or profoundly stubborn person to stand up to verbal abuse and being told they alone hold your future, not everyone can or will fight back. Son quit driving, dropped CDL and I finally could relax.
@joshuasmith4547
@joshuasmith4547 2 жыл бұрын
I too think 110 years is too much. Living with the nightmare he is going to have to live with is enough to make sure he never drives another truck or takes risks in my opinion
@jessefpv9217
@jessefpv9217 2 жыл бұрын
I understand where your coming from. My dad used to own and operate when I was younger. As I've gotten older I've been down Mt eagle tons of times anybody driving down that mountain at night should just take a look at the semi's brakes at night. I've seen em Glowing red to almost dripping lava off the brake pads it's NO JOKE. anybody New to driving a heavy rig listen to this man he's not lieing. Love the content man you and your boy do a good job keep em coming.
@SL-zm3hi
@SL-zm3hi 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Tim, just subscribed to your channel. It was terrible about the young trucker in Colorado. I trained for my CDL at United States Truck Driving School in Denver, CO in 2005. Our final test was driving down Colfax Avenue (28 miles with stop lights every block), then a mountain drive. My truck was fully loaded at over 80,000 pounds. We were not allowed to use the Jake and had to double clutch when shifting. We were trained to shift down at the top of the mountain, then maintain speed by braking when the speed picked up 5-10 mph above our selected gear. None of us had problems with our brakes. I sincerely hope the young trucker receives a much lighter sentence and it looks like the DA is recommending a lower sentence to the trial judge.
@Whitehorze
@Whitehorze 2 жыл бұрын
There's alot of blame goes to the company. They sent a guy out on a route without the training and on public roads.
@J.R.in_WV
@J.R.in_WV 2 жыл бұрын
As far as what you should be watching on your truck: Brakes are no.1, and wheel seals are included in that because if they leak in the drum that brake is useless. Also automatic slack adjusters don’t really mean much, I adjust the brakes every 5 days or 5,000 with automatics and every 5 days period with manual adjusters. No. 2 is tires, no. 3 is lights and all the other stuff comes after that. The jake helps, a lot, but used wrong it can get you in trouble because of a false sense of confidence. Always keep it slow enough you can get down the hill without the Jake. Also for fading/stabbing the brakes always remember to keep your revs as high as possible because stabbing them on/off uses up air FAST, and you’ll run out after 4 or 5 applications if the compressor isn’t running as fast as it can.
@modeliversllc6457
@modeliversllc6457 2 жыл бұрын
First time hearing you and I subscribed. I want to say you was on point with what you shared. Everything. And I agree with what you said about schools in fl. , I have been saying this myself and I live out here. I think CDL should be longer than 3 weeks. Merry Christmas to you and your loved ones
@JoeBowman69
@JoeBowman69 2 жыл бұрын
glad to see another person with the exact thought about this
@azcactusflower1
@azcactusflower1 2 жыл бұрын
Respect the road. As a commercial driver since the mid-80s, with the lack of training, Car mentality driving a truck will bite your a$$. It takes time to learn for every potential situation in a truck. So in saying that, the schools are doing a disservice to the public, however, as we know money over lives. Great percentage of my driving miles, I had no jake, so it's old school and no bs truck driving. Jakes are training wheels to me, so there is no excuse for the stupidity I see (watching videos)
@joegosselin2888
@joegosselin2888 2 жыл бұрын
The problem is exactly what you said. They make such a big deal of using the ramps like they’re designed to be used. It shouldn’t be a blemish on your safety record if your truck fails. If it’s something that a driver caused sure make it a blemish on the record but truck failure absolutely use the ramp before you kill an innocent family.
@darbywing2
@darbywing2 2 жыл бұрын
Any reasonable and responsible non-sociopathic person would make the choice to eat the expense or take the risk of driving off the road. This fellow chose the cars as his crash barrel.
@joegosselin2888
@joegosselin2888 2 жыл бұрын
@@darbywing2 exactly
@evanch123456
@evanch123456 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your insight it helped me come to terms with this.
@rich77car
@rich77car 2 жыл бұрын
Merry Xmas and a Happy New Year from Scotland
@davidring2438
@davidring2438 2 жыл бұрын
Well thank you for explaining stuff Tim I didn't realize there was such an expense on use of runaway ramps and the black mark on the record is quite a surprise . Now I know we all see it different but 150 years it's definitely excessive in my opinion but he shouldn't get off scot-free I mean four people died so he should be held accountable but to what extent ?
@justinodell3737
@justinodell3737 2 жыл бұрын
I agree about the 110 years but at the same time they're was a woman playing on her phone and killed 4 kids waiting on a school bus and she just got 4 years and that's BS
@danmackintosh6325
@danmackintosh6325 2 жыл бұрын
@@justinodell3737 that just goes to show how wrong the sentence handed down is. That woman's case, it just HAS to be willful negligence whereas the truck driver, he never set out to deliberately do something dangerous. He simply didn't have the knowledge that he was doing so. At the very worst I'd call it negligent for him to have got up to that kind of speed, and I guess willful as he missed the second runoff BUT what mitigates that IMHO is what Tim mentioned, he likely had "never hit a runoff ramp, it's the end of you and the company and the truck, avoid the runoff at all costs or you'll never see work again" ringing in his ears.
@darbywing2
@darbywing2 2 жыл бұрын
@@justinodell3737 That is a crappy situation, but did she have over 20 minutes and a half dozen alternatives to avoid the children? Because that is the situation with this truck driver.
@justinodell3737
@justinodell3737 2 жыл бұрын
@@darbywing2 it wouldn't take a half dozen for not hit the kids all it would've took was not playing on her phone which is against the law
@RichardSmith-cb2nn
@RichardSmith-cb2nn 2 жыл бұрын
Bottom line that dude should have done a pre trip and he would've just downshifted into a gear lower than the gear you climbed the hill in and then applied the Jake breaks and the used the controlled braking or stab braking method he wouldn't of had a problem. If he still had a problem after doing everything the way you are trained to do then he should of used the run away truck ramp and from there reap whatever consequences that would come but there would be no fatalities and everybody would be alive and he wouldn't be in prison for the rest of his life. He doesn't deserve 110 years but that's Colorado state law.
@Mike-01234
@Mike-01234 2 жыл бұрын
Stupid thing is the guy pulled over a couple of times called his boss asked him what to do about the brakes he was told to continue on. I guess when when he got to a steeper part of the grade what brakes he had were gone. The video shows him swerving around as he passed the runaway ramp most say he was trying to get it into a gear he had pulled it out of gear could not get it back in gear going downhill which makes sense going too fast can't rev the engine fast enough to get it back in gear.
@ericprince2865
@ericprince2865 2 жыл бұрын
Great explanation towards this tragic incident.
@chrisdaniher8188
@chrisdaniher8188 2 жыл бұрын
Grew up driving those mountain roads in Colorado...thanks for this video...in complete agreement with you...I70 no joke...and spread the liability
@lamonthodges8805
@lamonthodges8805 2 жыл бұрын
I have a ideal. If you see a large truck out of control, get out of the way!
@super6954
@super6954 2 жыл бұрын
I'm not going to comment on this accident and the whole tragedy. What I will say as a guy that didn't want a CDL because I didn't want the responsibility and stress my friends that do go through daily. Before I found out my blood pressure issues and they said I probably wouldn't keep the license more than a year or 2 after costs if I did pass the medical and class 1 semi license. 1 guy tragically had a car go under that wasn't his fault the guy died at the wheel and crossed a centerline with no stopping distance. He hasn't been mentally right 18 years since and his career ended with a DUI in a car and jail, because he couldn't deal with it and messed up that could of ended bad to. I've driven big legal class 5 farm tandems here in Canada and a lot of large equipment on highways. There are a huge amount of other drivers out there have no clue about stopping distances and other types of vehicles and what to do around them, especially like getting out of the way if somethings wrong. or not pulling in front of a loaded farm tractor/ truck from a road junction less than 150ft in front of it because you think it's not going that fast and we can stop on a dime. My friends say they get the same happening with super b's and the guy pulls out in front, nearly gets run over and pulls in the next mile road . They need to educate the other drivers as well to help save lives instead of Darwin eventually fixing their problem for them, and maybe taking somebody else with them that it wasn't their fault.
@jackmagnium6115
@jackmagnium6115 2 жыл бұрын
the issue here is definitely the schools that train these drivers. sure its expensive but would u rather save some money and get people killed or protect those and get what you pay for? i get what i pay for because its not only smart, but also the right thing to do. i hope to see ya taking on the half mile big rig drags. im sorry this shit happens. 🤦🏻‍♂️ thanks for the likes guys. im always keeping an eye on stuff like this and offering through answers and explanations. merry christmas
@supremeautomotive6749
@supremeautomotive6749 2 жыл бұрын
No its not its the drivers thinking they can get in truck and just make money without doing pre inspection no one is doing that anymore. Driver is at fault for equipment period
@kman-mi7su
@kman-mi7su 2 жыл бұрын
I'm the same way Tim, I go slow coming down mountains. I used to drive thru the Blue Ridge Mt.s in VA weekly on I-81 or Rt 29 and some other spots. I was pulling doubles loaded front to back and up to the roof usually, especially during the holiday season. I used to drive for Roadway Package System now FedEx ground after they got bought out.
@michaelford4703
@michaelford4703 2 жыл бұрын
Great Job love your work 😎⭐👌👍👌🙏 keep safe to you and your family Michael U.K.
@mstg966
@mstg966 2 жыл бұрын
Wonder if the families of the 4 people he killed thinks he deserves 110 years? People need to be held accountable for there actions.
@Last_of_my_breed
@Last_of_my_breed 2 жыл бұрын
I partially agree with you...but I feel like some others should be held accountable, in his mind he might have thought he was qualified because someone told him he was and issued him a CDL. Also the state will fine you for using the runaway ramp... so guys will avoid using as not to ruin their career and so-on.
@chrisbelt2406
@chrisbelt2406 2 жыл бұрын
@@Last_of_my_breed The State said he was qualified...Good luck holding the State accountable
@solatyn
@solatyn 2 жыл бұрын
Tim does your opinion on the situation change if there was clear driver negligence? Knowing there was something wrong with the rig and doing the run without reporting it?
@darbywing2
@darbywing2 2 жыл бұрын
Why are we assuming there was anything wrong with the truck, other than the obvious loose nut behind the wheel?
@solatyn
@solatyn 2 жыл бұрын
@@darbywing2 just something I read I don't know all the facts, I assume that was a factor in the case/sentencing if its true
@derekupleger2923
@derekupleger2923 2 жыл бұрын
Tim I got a call from my pops one evening after he came off Mt. Eagle. He came down and the trailer brakes got so hot they lit up. By the time he hit the bottom he had just enough time to put it out with 2 extinguishers. Ive never hears him nervous when driving till that night. After that run he had OVER 3 million accident free miles. Taught him a lesson he never forgot. Keep up the great content.
@michastoute1050
@michastoute1050 2 жыл бұрын
I understand you. I was a truck driver and i have my portion on my plate in what i have seen and what people did. I quit driving because what was happened and no it wasn't my fault but i just can take it anymore. For those are still driving stay safe and out of trouble. ❤️
@mintyman1968
@mintyman1968 2 жыл бұрын
From what I understand about this incident, he knew that his trailer brakes were gone before he even started driving that day and he never reported it to anyone. Yet he chose to go down a mountain and speed down none the less. He skipped multiple runaway truck ramps and multiple times he could’ve gone in the ditch. It’s a tragic situation that was caused by negligence of the driver. My prayers go out to the families of everyone involved, and 110 years is a little unnecessary. 80 would be more fit. And the trucking company went bankrupt so they paid the price.
@Phantom0309
@Phantom0309 2 жыл бұрын
whats the difference between 110yrs and 80yrs?
@mintyman1968
@mintyman1968 2 жыл бұрын
@@Phantom0309 20 years for each person who died is fair. He gets life in prison meanwhile 4 people don’t get life at all and many other lives get ruined.
@sirmonkey1985
@sirmonkey1985 2 жыл бұрын
most he should of gotten was involuntary manslaughter. his lawyers and the judge failed miserably and he sadly got used as an example.
@mintyman1968
@mintyman1968 2 жыл бұрын
@@sirmonkey1985 he got a plea deal of 11 years. He didn’t accept it. He got what was coming to him.
@serpentrae
@serpentrae 2 жыл бұрын
did he miss his gear and go down the hill in neutral ? i think i read that somewhere not sure though.
@dennispalmer6007
@dennispalmer6007 2 жыл бұрын
When I first ran over the Canadian Rockies many years ago an old timer told me if your braking letting off then braking, you will heat the brakes up faster. Get the right gear and if you need 5% brake used steady you can go all the way down a 10 mi grade and not overheat your brakes. My opinion every truck should have a brake pressure gauge. My first truck had it. After that you know by feel. Years latter As a trainer I told my trainees use a lower gear than you think need until you get enough experience. Until then turn the cb off. As far as going down in the same gear you go up in. Unless you went up it first with the same load you don’t know what gear to us. Every load is different and knowing how it pulls will tell you what you need to go down safely this trip.
@haroldphipps3457
@haroldphipps3457 2 жыл бұрын
That is how my dad did it from the mid 1950's till 2000.
@diesel266
@diesel266 2 жыл бұрын
Have a great Xmas Gentry family.. take care and be safe always
@douglasmedlin7159
@douglasmedlin7159 6 ай бұрын
Going back and watching your old videos my first load after my trainer back in the 90's was old hwy 71 to Fayetteville Arkansas where it has the signed 23 people have been killed this year on this road. In a fld 60 series with no Jakes so glad I grew up on a farm and basically new how to drive. Drove 2 years before I had a truck with Jakes and theses were companies that had 150 to 200 trucks. I kinda glad I'm retired with what's out there to day. Also with all the BS you have to go through.
@johnhailey9687
@johnhailey9687 2 жыл бұрын
REMEMBER THIS....AS A OLD SCHOOL DRIVER ONCE TOLD ME. YOU CAN COME OFF A MOUNTAIN ONCE RECKLESS ONE TIME,YOU CAN COME OFF A MOUNTAIN MANY TIMES BY BEING SAFE AND MAKING SURE THAT YOUR BRAKES ARE ADJUSTED RIGHT AN MAINTANE THE POSTED SPEED.
@darbywing2
@darbywing2 2 жыл бұрын
More importantly, and more relevant to his sentencing, is that you can make the choice to ditch the truck into the grass or a culvert and avoid killing the innocent, or you can do as he did and use the passenger vehicles as crash barrels.
@BusaDud
@BusaDud 2 жыл бұрын
It wasn't the brake failure that sent him to prison not taking the run off path and hitting and killing those people is what sent him to prison. Let's keep it real since most of us are professional drivers we are held to a higher standard.
@philherbox4052
@philherbox4052 2 жыл бұрын
This video is an absolute slap in the face to anyone who takes truck driving seriously. People need to look up the definition of accident because this wasn't an accident. He could have taken the runaway ramp or put it in the ditch but he didn't and that's not an accident. He put his own life above the lives he took. He was crying at the accident scene because they caught him trying to get away from it. He turned down a plea agreement that he would have gotten 10 years but he decided to go to trial and was found guilty. The only thing I don't like about his sentence is that his boss isn't setting beside him. The longer Tim talks about why you don't take a runaway ramp made me think that's what he tells his guys. He also never said anything about just putting the truck in the ditch which a lot of us were taught to do in a situation like this because that was part of our responsibility to protect the other people from something like this.
@BusaDud
@BusaDud 2 жыл бұрын
@@philherbox4052 that's kinda what I hit on. You can only beat a dead horse so much. But professional drivers are the only ones that are held to a higher standard
@dozerboyd8784
@dozerboyd8784 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely! We can argue all day whether the he deserves a 110 years or not, but the fact of the matter is he is guilty of homicide. I have no respect for this guy's channel and his attitude toward his profession. If you're so unhappy with it that you think you're just a pawn you should probably find a new job.
@BusaDud
@BusaDud 2 жыл бұрын
@@dozerboyd8784 and that came from literally nowhere. Good talk
@philherbox4052
@philherbox4052 2 жыл бұрын
@@dozerboyd8784 I'm sure that Tim's customers love seeing his quality equipment picking up or delivering their freight. Smfh. Watching these videos are like watching a train wreck.
@daboenterprize8265
@daboenterprize8265 2 жыл бұрын
I’m with you Tim Merry Christmas
@KeepingitAnalog
@KeepingitAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
I crossed Monarch Pass, Gunnerson Pass, and Loveland pass at 200K gross, then down I 70 into Denver. The I 70 to Denver is a crazy long down hill that will catch you with your pants down. It's not joke. We run all disc brakes for a reason.
@scottsuydam3349
@scottsuydam3349 2 жыл бұрын
The penalty fits this crime. Bottom line is that he killed and injured multiple people. When he lost his brakes he should’ve hit the runaway ramp. The day before he should’ve had the trucks brakes repaired instead of leaving cause the price was to high. I agree he wasn’t a bad person but you have to be ready to accept the consequences every time you get behind the wheel.
@TheObsesedAnimeFreaks
@TheObsesedAnimeFreaks 2 жыл бұрын
That is the worst take I have ever heard. YOU deserve that punishment if you think that. My god such a vile person, have you no sympathy or morals? There are many factors of many of them the company is responsible for the truck, NOT the driver unless you are an owner operator. That truck should be in the best of conditions, and taken care of by that company. If that driver was faced with out of pocket expenses to fix the truck, then who the fuck would blame him? He has a job to do and a deadline to follow, if he doesn't get the job done, he is either out of a job or the money for the job. There is no reason why this driver should have been charged with anything, REGARDLESS of what the consequences were. there are other more powerful players to go after for this, NOT the driver. And even if the truck was in perfect condition, a break failure is always something that can happen due to no fault of the drivers. The fact that there was one, should be enough to exonerate this driver from ALL liability, period. I really hope Satan has a nice spot for you in his kingdom. Edit: youtube censors
@Pinolero1984
@Pinolero1984 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheObsesedAnimeFreaks ...... True and sad...... You are speaking the truth. .... 🥺. We are quick to judge others but slow to have mercy on them. ⚰️
@schadenfreude2555
@schadenfreude2555 2 жыл бұрын
Drivers are often put into ugly positions by companies or dispatchers, but the driver is the one taking responsibility for the truck once it goes on the road. This case is a good example of what can happen to a driver who takes on more than he knows how to handle, and things go off the rails. Unfortunately, a rookie driver will be more subject to pressure to take out an unsafe truck or to break hours of service regulations, as usually a new driver is up against the old rule of "Can't get a job without experience and can't get experience without a job". It can be really tough for a rookie to refuse to take out a truck when it looks like the truck is illegal or unsafe, as the rookie will usually be afraid of losing the job. And the rookie may not be knowledgeable enough to realize the truck is unsafe, or how to operate a truck safely. That said, the company, the dispatcher, the mechanics,, and the company executives should face criminal punishment as well if an accident occurs because the truck was sent out in unsafe condition and they knew it but sent it anyway. The problem with corporations is that the higher the person is in the pecking order, the less he or she is expected to take responsibility - they will publish a manual of directions that puts all responsibility on the operator, and then point to that manual and plead ignorance when things go wrong.
@TheObsesedAnimeFreaks
@TheObsesedAnimeFreaks 2 жыл бұрын
@@schadenfreude2555 There should be no criminal responsibility for any of this, Civil, sure, but not criminal. No one took an action that was intended on harming anyone, nor was any action malicious, NO CRIME WAS COMMITED. Negligence is not a crime, it's a civil case. The Company Knew or should have known of the issues and should have taken appropriate actions to repair the truck and/or train the driver. These are negligent actions not criminal. The families would have an easy case against the company in this case. However criminally this is not anything that should be punished in that regard. You are one of those people who's opinions are only damaging to the public and don't help anyone. they don't prevent anything and they don't actually punish anything. What you are promoting is just absurd and should be obviously so. Never mind that statists are the worst kind of people, personal responsibility is the only way to fix most if not all of these issues. you put these people in different situations where they stand a better chance on making a profit and driving safely, then you will get your safer operation that you want. Government always stands in the way of this. I don't care if the truck is "unsafe" by your definitions, no one should, what you should care about is if your goods get delivered at a reasonable time frame with a reasonable profit margin for those drivers such that they can take care of their trucks and exceed even the most advanced safety standards any one would set. you incentivize safe behavior by making it reasonably profitable or more profitable to conduct yourself in a safe manor. You don't regulate it to be as such.
@schadenfreude2555
@schadenfreude2555 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheObsesedAnimeFreaks Many societies have found it desirable to enact laws that declare "criminal negligence" worthy of criminal sanctions. Criminal negligence is defined as causing bodily harm or death by wonton and reckless negligence or disregard for the health and safety of others. Note that the law does not require that the defendant intend to cause injury or death to be found guilty. Manslaughter is another category of behavior in which causing death without intending to is deemed worthy of criminal sanctions. In the case of this trucker, he did not plan on killing or injuring people when he set out on his trip. But he took on a task so far beyond his knowledge and skill level, in a vehicle as potentially dangerous as a heavily-loaded truck on a crowded highway, ignored rules about proper brake maintenance, drove at excessive speeds, and then failed to take actions that would have avoided hurting others when his truck went out of control, that the court found that his actions met the definition of criminal behavior. 4 people died in horrible circumstances as the result of his reckless actions. To let him escape criminal responsibility in these circumstances because he could claim "But I did not intend to hurt or kill anyone" is clearly not accepted by the law. His actions went far beyond mere civil negligence, but showed the level of wonton and reckless disregard for the health and safety of others that is criminal.
@toddrisinger3623
@toddrisinger3623 2 жыл бұрын
For a little clarity: the mandatory consecutive sentences in Colorado only comes in to play when you plead not guilty in a jury trial and the jury finds you guilty. If he had pled guilty, or even no contest, he would have been eligible for discretionary sentencing from the Judge. I would imagine for 4 people it would have been maybe 16-20 and get out out early for good behavior. In my humble opinion, it was a horrible decision to plead not guilty, especially in a state that has the mandatory consecutive sentencing law for when you lose a jury trial.
@dominick253
@dominick253 2 жыл бұрын
They offered him 11 year plea I believe.
@dodge33445
@dodge33445 2 жыл бұрын
HOpe you and your fam had a good Christmas Timmy.
@jeremymadden4966
@jeremymadden4966 2 жыл бұрын
Wise word, been driving for 20 years. And yep always go easy in mountain terrain
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