The player names are Jacqueline Pham (green shoes) & Ed Tang (pink shirt) vs Denise DeSalvo & Owen Pilgrim (both in black). I happened to be nearby shortly before the match began and decided to stick around to record this video. I have no connection to any of the four players and didn't have time to ask their names before the match started. I am not an official announcer or commentator. Thanks for watching!

Now that the spin serve is illegal, this guy is going to have to learn how to actually play pickleball.

Perfect example of just because you can, doesn’t mean you should. No other offense besides that spin serve - made me angry for the other team! Love the commentary on this vid, awesome channel!

Brutal serve from Owen. He's going to miss having that weapon in 2023.

I searched for this after seeing an ad for pickleball..... its ping pong meets tennis 😂 I LOVE IT

Nice job, fun game to watch. Glad that serve will no longer be allowed, at least at this level.

It's amazing how that serve hopped so drastically to the right of the returner, when the server's paddle movement made it look like it should hop to the left! I played a guy hwo had that shot once.....they are really tought to return. Best to short hop them , and inch or two behind the bounce adn loft them down the middle....cut it off before they hop to the side......

Looks like the spin serve is his only game.

Thanks for this and the commentary with the score.

As a beginning player, I, too, focused on weaponizing the serve; however, serving aces is boring for most in rec play. I now change-up serves (and usually just pop it into play) to focus on the soft game. Yeah, I can still bend a kick serve, tho winning a point that way feels unsatisfying. I’m in this for FUN, so I try to play to the level of the foursome.

pickleball a competitive sport where you can start playing at 55 years old and still become a national ranked player the same year

What a great sport for people who are out of shape. Whatever it takes to get us off our couches!

I’d be embarrassed to be using a serve that has already been ruled illegal. Just because you can still use it til January doesn’t mean you should.

I love pickle ball

What type of camera gear did you use to record this match? It is very professional looking!

Take it on the short hop and don't let it bounce so far away before hitting it.

Great job by announcer..not a bunch of wasted “make noise” and spot on.

Most of the gang from 60-80 at Brainerd, MN play at this level.

Glad to see that serve was outlawed!

What is a spin serve ?

Only two minutes into the match, I am asking myself out loud as to why the losing team (at this time) is playing to the man and not focusing on hitting all balls to the female as she is obviously the weaker opponent. In doubles, whether it is tennis or pickleball, if you want to win, AND THAT IS THE POINT OF ENTERING A COMPETITION.... TO COMPETE AND WIN, the SMART play is to play the weaker opponent regardless of age or gender.

Damn. I play 4.0 and can’t even do the spin serve which is becoming illegal in January. Sand bagging here.

Thanks for posting this video; fun to watch. The announcer did make a slightly confusing statement at 3:24 when he said that players will no longer be allowed to impart spin on a ball before they serve. A player can still hit a spin serve with their paddle, but cannot impart any spin on the ball with their hand prior to the paddle engaging the ball. This eliminates the chainsaw and finger spin serves, like the player in the video was doing.

The "chainsaw serve" has been outlawed for 2023

The New Year that kick serve will be illegal. I need to try that for now though. 🤣

Pink Shirt has a habit of moving in when he’s serving. Deep returns will curb that quickly.

I'm curious how well they will do when they no longer have that serve. It is undoubtedly a great serve but knowing that it was illegal in the past and will be illegal again would make me feel like I didn't really win.

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I'm glad that spinning serve becomes illegal with serve rule changes. As for national championships at 3.5 I maintain the same thought I had about similar tennis championships, all that happens is that you find the most badly rated players.

I swear 95% of pros have illegal serves .. Rules officials really need to get that kind of stuff in check if this game is ever going to be taken more seriously.

this is 3.0 level

Wait....was this on the "Ocho?"

I dont think I was alone in routing against the spin serve team the entire time. They also tried to call in balls out several times. Yuck.

Huge crowd for the gold medal match!

a perfect example of why the spin serve has been banned,,,the team with the guy that spin serves has no game other than that serve.

Were dinks not allowed in this match?

I cheered out loud at 10:05! Good for Jacqueline!! And I laughed out loud at 15:55 and 17:20. Got what was coming to him!

How does yellowshoes get in a gold medal national match and have no idea how to adjust and return a serve?

Just learning about this game. I'm just wondering if somebody would put some modification in the racket to enhance the spin like what they do in Table Tennis using sandpaper or spongy rubber. Or perhaps it isn't allowed. I can easily see the edge of using a spin in competitive level.

Impressed with the lobs by the lady in black.

It’s interesting the crowd specifically likes the chainsaw serve. I always thought people enjoyed exciting rally’s with resets and whatnot

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That was great!!!👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾.

I didn’t know the spin serve was illegal. A good player should be able to return that no problem, I am surprised at how poorly they do and I am not trying to be cocky at all.

Although the spin serve was actually legal his swing path was illegal several times.

How is the gentleman in black at badminton?

Without that gimmick serve...they'd be two and out.

I have played with these two in Chula Vista

Personally, I never did understand how the spin serve was allowed to be used as the serve rules state the ball cannot be propelled up or down before the serve. The ball is clearly propelled in a spin serve which should have made it illegal to begin with.

So it’s tennis?

But why, mes amis, do the 'kitchens' not have suitable appliances in them ?

I'm continuing to watch and am speechless on how poor all 4 are.

I never play this sport. I guess the ball is much lighter than a tennis ball (as the rackets don't use strings)

Eliminating that pre-spin serve is a good idea. It won't help the losing players of this match as that was their holden ticket but it will improve the game.

Did they just start playing as 3.5 or am I missing something?

These are 2.5 players, 3.0 at best.

These are 3.5 players?

Is this a step above shuffleboard?

3.5 with a chain server? And 1:20 the announcer calls both teams sand-baggers. Interesting.

Can you believe he did not know there names. To funny

Disagree with the announcer saying these could be 4.0's, don't get me wrong good 3.5's but no 4.0 would miss that many returns

How does one qualify for this nationals tourney?

I'm new to pickleball and saw this video for the first time...and I didn't see why "spin" serves should be illegal. However, up further review, the "purposeful pre-spinnings of the ball for serves are illegal". Probably for the same reasons that they are illegal in table tennis serves. This doesn't mean that spinning the ball with your paddle is illegal, it just means that you can't purposefully impart ball spin before contacting your paddle (for those of you who didn't quite understand or see this the first time - like me). Since I just started playing PB several months ago (post "illegal serve"), the only way I was taught to serve was without pre-spinning the ball so I didn't even know that "pre-spinning the ball for a serve" was a "thing". After reviewing the match (after seeing so many posts against Owen's "spin serves"), I can see how Owen pre-spins the ball with his fingers where it would be difficult for the opponents to see his intended ball spin vs. his natural motion. I was wondering why it was so hard for his opponents to determine the spin, but if you look closely at some of Owen's spins (sometimes opposite or neutralizing his natural swing/stroke of the ball), you could see why it could be difficult to return and is an unfair strategy. I'm all for spinning/pounding all you want with legal equipment (within new rules) and totally believe this was the right assessment - good job "governing pickleball association" and thanks Team Hanlon for sharing.

I thought the rule was when serving you had to drop the ball, not throw it up ??

Most of the players I play with have no idea what the fundamentals are. They keep making the same mistakes over and over again. Hitting the ball with an open stance is a common mistake and starting the paddle too low is another.

"both of these teams are very very good". I beg to differ

THIS is a gold medal 60+ match? LOL Our daily pickup games, mostly 60+, are significantly at a higher level, without question. Few volleys even go past 3-4 shots before an unforced error.

Can't believe that was even allowed at all? I know it is not allowed now, but how was that allowed before?

And the winners, each, get........a pickle; while the losers are in........ a pickle-so pick(le) your favorite team and let the Pickleball begin.

How are they 3.5 and can't handle that serve

Where is the score indicator?

I don’t fault the spinning server, since it’s still within the rules. I thought the receiving team (esp the male player since he had more success in returning the spin serve) should give some advice to his partner to cope with the spin, such as starting by taking a further step back from her usual receiving position. And if you watch the spin serve guy closely, his serving motion is different between balls bouncing to left via the right. They can talk about it in the 2 timeouts that they have.

Take that serve away and I don't believe black team would make the finals

So this game was developed for older folks right?

I thought that serve was illegal?

What does 7 10 2 or all the other 3 number scores mean

Does anyone know if or what the age limit is

For those who don't understand why a serve like that is being banned don't understand the politics and business end of any sport. ALL sports evolve and generate RULES to make the game competitive to play and interesting to watch. As PB evolves, grows in popularity and is taken more seriously there will be dozens of rules changed to adapt. Also it's why you can't just show up with any old racquet you want there are 'rules' - 'standards', why is that? Have you seen the radical rule changes over the years in baseball to make it a more offensive game to encourage higher scores? Rules on how the pitcher can pitch, banned movements, banned grips, stances and now even pitchers and batters will be under time constraints. Rules to keep the game competitive both ways and they are always evolving, adapting to meet that expectation. Like banning the infield shift in baseball (2023 season), you cannot block the plate, slide into players intentionally, avoiding contact at the bases, Why? to allow teams to compete on a more even scale (and yes, in some cases to decrease injuries). All, at one point, were part of some team's strategies (ask Pete Rose). Hockey, lacrosse, have changed rules against certain sticks that gave players a huge advantage. At one time they were legal now they are not, and on and on. No one wants to watch (or play against) some trickster with a nearly impossible serve to return winning 11-0 game after game solely on the serves. Save it for exhibitions like one day maybe with the New 'PB Harlem Globetrotters' tour. Pros, who can train against it if they had too because they have countless hours of court time, video replay, trainers, coaches, equipment etc. to work against such odd, difficult and uncommon serves, 99% of the rest of us do not, but that is a waste of time and money even for the pros. Difficult enough training for the already standard plays. Look, I'm a competitor and believe in developing my skills to defend against tough players, but rarely would I be able to train and develop the skill necessary to defend against some new tricky, sneaky swing esp. during a tournament or in league play should that show up. No time to adjust and I'd be wasting away points trying to figure it out. So level the playing field, let players play with expected universal standards (like every other established sport in the world) and the better prepared team, in a fair fight, will prevail. Trust me (or not) you have not seen the last of game altering rule changes in this sport, not by a long shot. There's already talk of changing the balls and the scoring (more like tennis, easier for fans to follow), heck I even heard the name may change to be more appealing to draw interest across a more general audience. Welcome to progress, like it or not.

Please Show an example of a legal serve in 2023

That spin serve is really annoying, and I'm glad it's banned-but the returning team could have had a lot more success by backing up more from the baseline. They're way too close considering what how deep he's putting that serve.

This looks like 3.5 play to me.

So pickleball is for people who doesn't want to run?

What are the players' names?

what is pickleball?

I thought you had to serve underhand?.

These people are rated 3.5?

Why did they play to 15?

Spinning the ball prior to serving is like corking your bat in baseball. I'm glad it is stopping in 2023.

No way they are "closer to 4.0 players"

Looks like 3.0 to me.

The only weapon that spin server has is his serve and his “muscle” shots. No finesse at all. Once the spin serve is gone for him not sure what else he has in his tool box.

I just started playing pickleball two weeks ago and I already know that serve is illegal. Some people will do whatever it takes to win a game.

Wow what a boring match. Lots of service aces, no long rallies. No wonder the spin serve will become illegal.

Is it odd that the PB announcer does not know their names????

Level championship is stupid because the best players in each level should be up at least one level.

When the announcer says they are probably 4.0 - nah. They were 3.5. They weren’t cheating by playing down a level

Glad they banned that spin serve. Way too hard to return that!

0:40 the server is spinning the ball in his hand before the serve.

Wonder what 2023 rule change did to this gentlemen's game?

Imagine telling Nadal or Federer, " Sorry boys you cant spin your serve, or smash the ball or smile, or grunt, or.... this game is lame. 🙄