I feel Ashley knew he was correct

More true then than what later happened. Many miseries came outside of war and were caused by persecutions by countries against their own people such as in the 20th century in places such as China's oppression through communism that murdered 40-100 million of its own people and Cambodia's similar events that led to a few million. The Russians murdered dozens of millions in their own country, Latvia, Estonia, and Lithuania. Then of course we know all about the fascism of the Nazis against the Jews and other groups, but all that started before WW2 and it certainly continued throughout it until they were defeated.

​@@matthewreames1137no entiendo porque los sureños odiaban a los aristócratas del sur, si era por sus costumbres o pensamientos de política americana. Lo digo por la escena donde Scarlett confronta a un antiguo conocido de su mamá, que se muda al norte y ya es norteño

@@Dulcekris83 Well, it might be because the Southern aristocrats led the South into a war it couldn't ever possibly win, and for the reasons stated in the clip.

​@@HC-cb4ypok gracias por la aclaración.

Yep, George Reeves 😊👍👍

​@@alaricabercrombie2692 I saw that! ^_^

I even forgot Mr. Kennedy existed lol 🤣

And the object of her affection!

​@@alaricabercrombie2692lo curioso es que Ashley Wilkes nunca fue su marido, y en los dos primeros esposos que tuvo Scarlett Ashley siempre estuvo por delante de ellos. Más el primer esposo que murió sin consumar el matrimonio.

The truth that the North had more slavery than the south ??

does Rhett have respect for Ashley?

@@billcipher2893 A grudging respect. Later he even says he knows Ashley didn't sleep with his wife because he's too much of a gentleman though he kind of looks down on that a bit.

The whole barbecue scene is brilliant because you meet every character, learn about them, learn how they interact and even get a summary of why the South isn't going to win. It's really a brilliant setup.

@@HC-cb4yp That’s a really good point you bring up about the BBQ scenes. We do get to see their personalities and why they lost the war

In the South we're mostly Scots. We had no later immigration after that to speak of, such as Ellis island etc. furthermore the Scots who settled here are from the early-mid 1700s, before Scotland was "Anglicized" and was still a nation of pig/sheep herding Highlander rednecks, so pride was (and is) an intrinsic part of our ethnic culture.

If I remember the book correctly, Rhett had also attended military academy in his youth (though I think he was expelled), so his observation about heavy artillery (cannon) not being produced in the south was on point. Also, Ashely and the other men here in this scene who were angry at Rhett’s observations were likely cavalry or foot soldiers when they enlisted. Later, at the end of the war when Rhett did enlist, he was in the artillery from his military academy training.

Wouldn't it have been more practical to just tell them what they wanted to hear?

@@VersusARCH Rhett is the bad boy, always rebelling against the status quo. He never says things to please others.

@@flamingflamingo4021 "Good morning, mises Meade... Good morning mises Merryweather..."

@@VersusARCH In fairness, he wasn’t going to chime in.....he was asked.

@@VersusARCH Considering what happened over the next four years, the truth was the most practical thing he could have told.

@@Helga7850 Actually in the book she had a boy with Hamilton and a daughter with Kennedy. They left them out of the movie.

@@maryschetrompf4197 I read the book .... but sorry, I don' t remember about this childs You know that exist also a continuation of Gone with the wind.....

She married three of them #1 Charles #2 frank #3 rett.

Helga Haper No, Scarlet mentioned marriage is fun, for men and Rhett said you’ve only been with a kid and an old man, so it was eluded to.

Sim , mas so vejo o Rhett 💕💖 adoro ele💋😚👏

Actually an ever better script can convey more information in less words.

@@derlenx1097 Fewer words. Not less words.

Book, singular but, yeah. I've always liked that old man's harangue.

Well, it wasn't the same. The slaves were captives and not free for generations. Since they were a source of free labor and continuing profits, how long would it have taken for the owners to set them free? Aren't you just really trying to justify slavery?

@@Shatamx They didn't want to end slavery at all. That only became a claim after the war was over. Before and during they were set to be a 'slave power'. They also were upset that the North finally had enough population to do to the South what the South had been doing to the North for decades. That is dictate laws. Once they lost that they tried to rage quit the country. At the time most of the people filling Northern factories weren't 'cheap immigrants', they were women and 2nd sons. Children wouldn't see wide spread use until later. TL:DR you have no idea what you're talking about.

@@michaelfollis5317 really. Where didyou live in 1861?

@@JD1976 I read what they wrote.

I actually think he is looking at Charles like he is a naive kid and recognizes the boy needs to grow up, and likely the war will do that.

I have an alternate history novel where we lost at Midway, and later one Japanese soldier says to another that Japan had at most two years before the US rebuilt its forces to offer up some serious payback.

Um and slavery

The democrats in the south owned all the slaves. Good thing the conservatives and republicans in the north led by the republican Abe Lincoln destroyed the scummy democrats and abolished slavery.

@@ibashcommunists6847 You tell yourself that if it makes you happy, poppet. 'Course, just about every historian in the world knows differently, but hey, whatever helps you sleep at night.

@@chooseyourpoison5105 you are ignorant. Its a fact abe lincoln is a republican. Its also a fact that the democrat powerbase before the civil war was in the south. Poor education much bro??

@@ibashcommunists6847 Oh, you dear sweet summer child. LMAO. The Democrat and Republican parties as we know them today didn't even exist back then. Lincoln's National Union Party espoused a form of Jacksonian democracy, similar to the Democrats today, while the south's Democrat part valued individual accountability and minimal government interference in everyday life, much like the Republicans of today. I'm not even American and even I know that much. Do tell me about your "superior education" again. LOL!

Great gentleman!!!!

Um perfeito cavalheiro em tudo, embora ele dissesse o contrário, te amo senhor Butler💕💖💝🤴

That's my motto.

Erik I think it has more to do with nuclear weapons.

Joey Doherty ..and what Da Vinci actually predicted was that at one point humanity would create such powerful weapons that we would be forced to live in peace. Meaning being aware of the consequences because of nuclear weapons.

I suggest studying history to learn why we had so many wars in history, rather than a work of history-based fiction depicting a situation unrelated to the causes of the US Civil War.

@@VersusARCH And I suggest that you learn to put things into context and learn to read and understand full comments. The scene itself is irrelevant. The reasons I mention above are however, relevant. Based on historical facts which I happen to be quite familiar with. This scene can (only) to a degree symbolize a few of those aspects I mention . I

@@TheSportfane Sorry, I fail to understand that 2+2=5. L8r

It gets better: Clark Gable himself was rather woke and stood up for all of the black cast members, including the actress who played Mammy.

He would have been perfect if he’d been about 15 years younger.

@@jaengen I agree. Although Ashley's age was not given in the book, Scarlett was sixteen in 1861. I assumed Ashley was in his mid-to-late twenties.

He won Tara in a card game. I read the book when I was 9.

If you read the novel, you find out it was sort of sheer of luck.

Any excuse to look down on someone different, who they consider inferior. They wouldn't turn the other cheek to English Protestants. But they could go to America and own the Black man.

Yeah' I liked him better as Uncle Billie in It's a Wonderful Life

He won Tara and Pork in a card game. Ironically, it was Pork that told him he needed to get lots of other slaves.

I was not ready for that...

The last war the US was in was 15 years earlier. The only person in the room old enough to have fought was Elder O'Hare.

The South was founded by two different sets of "spare" second-son European aristocrats looking to get the lifestyle their older brothers got simply because of primogeniture; that crescent moon in the South Carolina state flag is old medieval heraldry for the second son. And they brought the whole code of honor idiocy with them, which also fueled the massacre of Pickett's Charge at Gettysburg.

That is the real american accent

@@HamzooPineda southern accent doesnt mean american accent. In fact, i doubt you can say there is "one true" american accent. As a country born from the confluence of immigrants, americans, iMO, have many different accents.

Because it's a movie.

Oh it can be denied until the cows come home but there is this thing called truth.

The book is really about how some people remain standing when the floor is pulled out from under them while others go to pieces.

They couldve won though. If Lee had razed the Pennsylvania farmland and avoided or won at Gettysburg then the war was over. He lost at Gettysburg by a hairs breadth and was unwilling as a Southern gentleman to do what Sherman did to Georgia.

@@bardgold4553 Lee was loyal to the south, but I don’t think he agreed with the war.

@@kittykatz4001 thats why he lost the war. He had every opportunity to end it in 1863. Theres no way he could have conquered the North sure but if he took Washington DC, it was over. And DC is a stone's throw away from Virginia.

In the book Scarlett says they should have freed their slaves rather than declared war.

Shiloh was more than a year into the future. Georgians started paying with the naval blockade, .. continue with the attrition of the war til 1864... when Sherman made Reb Georgians pay 100-fold their silly rebellion wrongdoings.

Plus a handful of everybody on every class in the South said the same thing that the South couldn't win the war

White washes is the south? If that wasn't the most white washed society in reality I don't know what is. As far as attacking the film, mammy is the character the audience most closely associates with and is the moral voice of the entire movie.

The book it's based on whitewashed the South because the people Margaret Mitchell talked to about the era whitewashed it, too. Either way, the South's entire way of doing things was obsolete on top of immoral by that point, but the South has always been about defending their culture to the death.

appareantly those old scoundrels thought they still lived in the age of knighthood and thought of themselves like a new modern type of Lancelots and Percivals

Yep. They sent poor WM to fight who had no dog in the fight to preserve the lifestyle the few wealthy landowners wanted to preserve. Very few ppl wear wealthy enough to own huge lands like Ashley plantation and Scarlett’s father.

@Slenbendra Nope, I meant a Chad!!!

Still going on today...

You have to understand the mindset then. No one thought the War would go 90 days. And those that brought up it could take years at the cost of millions of lives were literally almost kicked out the military. Example General Sherman.

Она была диагностирована как нимфоманка. Счастливые партнеры.

Правда? Любопытная информация, запомню.

Нет, ей поставили диагноз маниакально-депрессивный психоз.

@@HC-cb4yp She was bipolar at a time when the disease, was not well understood. Extreme behavior can happen during a manic phase.

@@elviraelvira7771 Da.

Basically, she only wanted him because she was never able to make him chase her like all the other boys did. And then her ego was wounded when he chose Melly (who was sweet and "plain") over her.

see my comment above

Anmepa 93:You know you can buy the DVD or BLU ray at Wal-Mart or on Amazon.

@@ashleysmith8402 she want's it on her phone, to have it anywhere ..anytime.

Charles is not in the group when this scene occurs in the book. He is sitting nearby with Scarlett. It's one of the Tarletons who starts to try to provoke Rhett, but Rhett leaves and he is dissuaded from following.

Rhett would have beat the crap out of Charles or that Tarleton boy in fisticuffs or killed them in a duel. In the book, Rhett was a marksman.

Yeah 2 of my great great grandfathers fought in Sherman's army, one was in the March to the Sea

Jeff Curtis that is amazing 🇺🇸

During his campaign for the presidency, Jimmy Carter would be up North and inevitably the bands would play "Marching Through Georgia" which is all about Sherman marching to the sea. Finally Carter had to tell them: Thank you, but that's not really a pro-Georgia song...

@@HC-cb4yp the perfect march for his campaign, my father recall on that year of 🇺🇸 Bicentennial

@Don't coom or doom will come Still, his march through Georgia was the start of modern warfare: Total war that destroys the ability of the enemy to manufacture, grow food, transport goods and demoralizes the public. Not pretty, but may have prevented more wars after that. Nuclear weapons would eventually replace it as a good reason for whole nations not to go to war against each other.

Well, the said actor was from Missouri and the year was 1939. So, he's much closer to the era than you are so I believe in his pronunciation than yours.

lol cool story bro as they say today

And yet they, we, came so damned close to winning. Had the South won the Battle of Shiloh, I think they would have had a good chance of gaining independence with some territorial concessions.

@ M Yes. The South thought that they would win b/c they had great generals.

@@gigiw.7650 They lost because their generals didn't understand the war.

@@kahunab7400 More because of man and materiel shortages.

@@odysseusrex5908 keep telling yourself that. The truth is the North squashed the south because of the technological superiority. The Southern soldiers thought they were still in the age of knighthood , and that their bravery and physical strenght would overpower the north, but by the time the Civil War happened, the industrial revolution had already begun. The rules of war were beginning to change. So it didnt matter if the southern soldiers were braver and physically stronger than the north , the north had more military power

Great Caesar's Ghost! .... You're Right!

@@jamesalexander5623 One of the Tarleton Twins!

Fun fact, whichever one he's playing, I forget, he's listed as the other one in the credits.

No, Rhett is quite a scoundrel and opportunist and his moral compass is dodgy and unreliable. He's portrayed more darkly in the novel. Ashley has a moral compass but it's a bit compromised by his lust for Scarlett. The characters with the best developed and consistent moral compasses are Melanie and Mammy.

I agree with Cheryl. The consistent moral compass throughout the novels were Mammy and Melanie. I'd even throw in Ellen O'Hara but she passed on. Rhett was not a 'morale' person. But I think it was due to his life experience. Imo, he secretly was an idealist at heart but he was also a cynical, bitter and hardened person...From time to time, I could see Rhett's 'kind' nature peeked, but he always tried to 'cover' things up because of how he's hurt in the past and he's constantly being hurt 'emotionally' by being with Scarlett whom he believed to not care about him...

@@tracys169 Excellent analysis, Tracy. The question of Rhett's moral compass is a complex one, especially as he's a rather a darker figure in the novel than he's presented in the film.

I liked what Ashley said too. That war was terrible, that he would fight as a southern man but that he wouldnt be happy about it. And he actually didnt admonish Rhett and actually defended his viewpoint.

@@cherylhulting1301 Agree with you

My thoughts exactly.

I think the challenge was implied in "apologies aren't enough".

Untrue. Once the South had seceded, the North had to suppress the rebellion by force of arms. In the face of Northern invasion, the South could either defend it independence or just come back to the Union. Obviously they were not going to do the latter. The South did actively seek recognition and military aif from both France and Britain but, although they were able to buy weapons and ammunition from those countries, on the sly, recognition and intervention never happened.

France and Britain 🇬🇧 wisely stayed out of this “family squabble.”

He was young, idealistic and foolish.

Charles was in his teens. I think I was a smart teenager, but I’m sure I said things that today would leave me saying, “What a dope!”

Yeah, I mean only like 6℅ of southerns owned slaves, And that was the vary wealthy jerks. The other ℅ were just people fighting for their farming rights. And the north was just trying to do the slaves a solid🙇 but then again, before the war the north was being really unfair to the south. I think its safe to say both sides need to say their sorry😌

It’s a shame like 600k people had to die for that misunderstanding.

@@emilyroberts8653 very true. I'm a Yankee but my relatives didn't come here until 1967 but all the same, I want to say I'm sorry to my southern brothers.

@@emilyroberts8653 not really. People lived in multi-generational households. In Mississippi, about 50 % of the free people owned slaves.

The North understood that the South meant to cut off the relief valve for their industrializing society by bringing slavery to the northern and central Plains. It also understood that the Dred Scott decision was a tremendous infringement on their right to keep slavery out of their own states, let alone the Territories. The North deliberately failed to understand (i. e. knew, but did not admit to itself) that it was profiting very nicely from treating the South as the British treated the Indians: the elite was allowed to preside over the sale of slave-produced raw materials at low prices, then exported finished goods at high prices thanks to tariffs. The South misunderstood more. First, they thought that the North would just sit there and let Fort Sumter be bombed. Second, they thought that the North would make poorer fighters and remain poor fighters...Mary Chesnut's diary notes that the South did a very good job of teaching the North how to fight. Third, they mistook the cool, restrained nature of Northerners for unwillingness to fight: the unwilling fighter will not only defend himself, but he'll be pissed that he was made to fight and fight all the harder! Finally, one "gentleman" fighter was not worth three of the "rabble", and if that were the case, an infinite supply of arms and other goods, a larger population and a potential fifth column four million strong make up the difference nicely.

Leslie Howard was from England. Perhaps he could not modify his speech pattern enough to sound Southern.

@@brendapayne6603 Well so was Vivien Leigh (Scarlett). She managed. Better actor?

I heard Clark Gable REFUSED to do a southern accent because he himself said it would be terrible. Having said that it really helps him stand out as more of an outsider...

@@cripplehawk I think that's the gist of what I said above. He must have tried it and failed miserably. But I see what you mean -- HE decided to drop it, not they.

bombastic side eye

see my comment above

And it's always Democrats.

you two right wing and conservative idiots can't help yourselves can you? inserting your bs left/right 'sjw' it's always Democrats nonsense politics where it doesn't belong. you trolls ruin every video with your monomania and partisan political hack 'ideas'.

Eu te amo, meu Brasil, eu te amo. Traduzir necesita obra seria.

They had the best army and general in *one theater* but for every battle Lee won in the East, they lost one or two more in the West, and whereas all Lee could do was fend off invasions by the Army of the Potomac, in the other theaters, the Yankees gained ground, and never lost it.

Not really. Lee and Longstreet were both very capable, but so were Grant, Sherman, and Meade. Stuart and the heavily worshipped Thomas Jackson were both very hit-or-miss: they pulled off great tactics in some campaigns, and completely screwed the pooch in others. Grant and Sherman were the pioneers of a new way of warfare and basically set the standard for how WWI would eventually be fought.

It wouldn’t have strengthened his argument one iota; his reasoning was sound, regardless of his resume-as all good arguments are.

It was so racist that the actress who plays Mammy won an Oscar and was able to build a mansion in L.A. that looked just like the White House.

The movie wasn’t, and isn’t, racist. Your statement is nonsense.

@@connecticutyankee9706 It's a Movie about the Pre and Post Civil War South supporting the Society who engaged in Slavery! .... How is it not Racist? .... AND Written by someone Nostalgic for those "Chivalrous" Days .... Says so in the Intro! ... Criminy Grow Up!

@@jamesalexander5623 It is no more racist because of "slavery" than Shakespeare's Julius Caesar (the Romans had slavery as well), or Zulu Dawn, which was favorable to the Zulus, (who practiced slavery). Writing about Southerners in the Civil War era isn't racist, no matter how much modern people suffering from insecurity and desperately looking for some excuse to engage in moral preening may wish it to be. As for Southerners being fond of the South: gee, what a concept! While the book is one of the greatest works from the 20th century, I would fault Mitchell for her one-dimensional portrayal of Northerners: with two exceptions, every "Yankee" involved in the story is either corrupt or downright reprehensible. However, that was how the characters in the book saw them, so be it. It's called literature.

I guess this scene went right over your head! And it is hardly the only wxample of this film's derisive treatment of Southern arrogance and delusion .