Slice of life, yes. Also a mystery plot. Literary fiction doesn't need a plot, though, so why should this?

plus, their relationship completely mimics crowley & aziraphale’s… the only reason crowley got the courage to do what he did in the last episode was because he learned it from them. they were vital to their character/relationship development.

Nah this is woke BS

Pure woke

​@@bigrman200how is people just existing woke?

@@mackaroni9792 has nothing to do with them being gay or anything. It simply doesn’t follow the story line for the angel and demon being gay if they were from the start it wouldn’t bug me but these writers need to stop changing these story lines to fit this woke crap. JUST MAKE YOUR OWN CONTENT Lmao

I could not agree with you more! You just articulated really concisely my every feeling about why I loved it so much.

@@thepillow5000 Glad I‘m not the only one who feels that way!

@@flusel4949 it's just so frustrating to see the amount of people frustrated that it turned out romantically when it has always been that way and it's so refreshingly NICE to see a show be explicit about it and not leaving it to interpretation. Especially when you have a creature as indulgent to human pleasures as Aziraphale, I really don't see as far beyond reach that sex and romance and all the plots of his lovely books could be things he wants, even if he has a historical problem of admitting what he wants. I keep rewatching it and each time I understand Aziraphale particularly more and more, as well as all the parallels embedded. Like with wee Morag, and he spends so much time dithering over the right choice, he's too late, and now he's done it to Crowley. I think the sweet little romp sets us up perfectly for huge consequences his naive little angel heart won't see.

@@thepillow5000 Yes exactly! I find it so funny that people complain about season 2 being a romantic comedy when the show has always been that way. The moment I saw Aziraphale putting his wing over Crowley in season 1 I thought “oh, so this is a love story!” And it’s not just these two, but everyone else, too! Anathema and Newt have also mirrored Aziraphale and Crowley (them as well being hereditary enemies, but end up working together and even vavooming. They both end up leaving their respective sides (A. not following the new prophecies anymore and choosing her own path and N. apparently not being a practicing witchfinder anymore since he started dating a witch). It’s similar with Mr. Shadwell and Madame Tracy. And lastly Adam is a parallel for their love of humanity. I mean he literally is called Adam, just like the first human Aziraphale and Crowley met and had an influence on. The only thing season 1 had that season 2 didn’t is the whole end of the world stuff. And I honestly applaud Neil for not jumping right into the next big battle, but giving us more of a build up to it. A breather. And he does that by strengthening the backbone of the series. The reason we even care about a potential end of the world: The (human) relationships that are forged. The love that is pulsing through the veins of this flawed and messy world. And Crowley and Aziraphale are an embodiment of that love. Not just the love between opposing sides, but also love for humanity and for everything it has to offer. So of course it makes sense that they develop a human love as well. And of course it makes sense that they would make the effort and do it the human way all the way through (people can keep their head canons about them staying asexual and not engaging in any sexual activities of course if they want to though. Each their own). They drink, they eat, they enjoy all kinds of things from the human world, Aziraphale in particular, so why should they stop there? That parallel with Wee Morag is a great catch! Aziraphale really isn’t the fastest, always a bit behind everywhere (in fashion, music and of course also with coming to a conclusion (of a moral argument). He really is the master of denial), so he couldn’t make up his mind in time (it’s also worth noting though that the Metatron played a huge role in rushing Aziraphale’s decision, giving him no time to rethink and reconsider. @nofomogirl on Tumblr made some exceptional posts analyzing the Metatron’s schemes, manipulations and exploitation of their weaknesses that played a huge role in how the ending played out. I highly recommend them, they give a whole new perspective on the season finale). So yeah, in my eyes the season is perfect the way it is.

@flusel4949 Yes! I'll have to give that a look because I've had so many thoughts about Metatron. Unfortunately, I don't think there was any chemistry between Maggie and Nina, but the parallels were so necessary. Like in the way that Crowley believed that one magical kiss would fix everything, and both were naive enough to believe that Nina could simply put aside a huge relationship, even though it was bad for her. Aziraphale's relationship with heaven is like that, and Metatron absolutely plays the toxic role of Lindsey, who gives Nina no time to explain herself, make her own decisions, or express an opinion. Metatron dresses it in sweetness, but his pretence of "take all the time you need" and then pressing him is so manipulative in the same way. And, of course, it's all about right and wrong. Nina is called a selfish and uncaring person when she doesn't respond in this relationship - Aziraphale will feel like a moral failure if he doesn't try. Every time I look, it's so well done, and it's deeply frustrating to see reviews and ignore how extremely competently structured the whole thing is.

Exactly. I don't need them to do anything. I'm happy to hang out with them and listen to their banter.

What people really liked about last season was Aziraphale, Crowley and Gabriel so it certainly made sense to keep the focus on them.

I disagree, Aziraphale and Crowley are not enough to make the show on their own. Series 2 also lacks that Pratchett touch, it’s too linear, predictable, and boring.

Yes, there were a few people with poor judgement and bad taste who had similar thoughts. You're not alone in those defects of character.

The plot wasn’t fully meant to be there because the whole season is about the characters and the whole season is confirmed to be a set up for season 3

@@billbob4136 yes as I said in my comment it felt like a big set up for the next season. And I enjoyed it! I would understand tough if some people didn't like it that much because of the plot being that thin.

tbh, i was writing a long comment on this video explaining my thoughts But this comment says everything i was gonna say, and more Thank you

Yes. It feels hollow. I've seen 3 episodes and am not even that excited to watch the rest. With season 1, I was eager to see each episode.

And his plotting! Terry Pratchett has well-developed and complex plots in most of his books, if not all.

I think that's right. Gaiman was very much going small for this tiny jewel of a season. It probably helped my appreciation that Staged was the next show I saw Sheen and Tennant in after GO season 1.

I need to go and rewatch it just to catch the symphonic Queen in the coffeeshop, I did not notice that

Job was the Best, it really talks about what GO is, and angel and Demon that go with their sides as much as they can.

The zombies were so Neil Gaiman though. I didn't like them either.

The zombies did feel weird and out of place, but I think they are a set up for something in season 3. They were so out of place that it felt like a writing mistake, like something an amateur would do. But Neil Gaiman is fantastic at his job, so he knows not to make mistakes this obvious and big. So I think it was on purpose, weird in a way that is supposed to unsettle the audience and leave us confused, just so he can give us the explanation where everything comes together in season 3. I trust Neil Gaiman to bring everything full circle and I am crossing my fingers that that trust isn't misplaced, because my sanity kind of depends on it...

The Job episode was probably the highlight of the season now I think back.

I'm afraid so. Not that I mind a season entirely devoted to Aziraphale and Crowley. It was their curious romance that we mainly watched season 1 for.

⁠​⁠@@alanpennie I watched season one late when season two was already over and watched the kiss that actually was the reason I watched season two. But if I saw season one without knowing season two I would just think they were good friends. TSo I don’t think it was watching their curious romance that had people watch season one.

That's okay. Acknowledging you have bad, stupid taste and opinions is the first step toward admitting there's a problem.

Right! Especially the rincewind stuff to me just felt like a silly dude doing silly stuff and it just being entertaining bc the language is so wonderful and it's so funny and I love the characters so much and feel like I can metaphorically hear the author's voice and even personality through the narrator. That's the entertainment for me, not some plot with a specific objective or any stakes

Pratchett had plot bolted on? Are you serious? His plotting is spot on!! He develops them in multiple arcs over time and space and gets them to merge in a satisfying manner. I have read about 25 Discworld novels till now. The first two are far from being the best. Try reading Small Gods. Lovely satire! City Watch series is also stellar! Wee Free Men is probably the best YA series especially as it drills into developing critical thinking as the prime moral lesson.

Um, Gaimans most famous book, American Gods is definitely, definitely not a comedy and all long story. Sometimes to long haha

Right? After the Job flashback, it feels strange how hesitant Aziraphale seems to question God and the Great Plan in season 1. We saw him with Noah and Jesus - very distressed at what's going on but not actually willing to express an opinion or actively interfere. It took Crowley a long time to convince Aziraphale to start bending the rules a little. Him working together with Crowley to fool Heaven and save Job's children just felt out of character for me.

Oh shut it

@@TheTorseHumtunja What? Do you not like critical thinking?

I think the lack of chemistry between Maggie and Nina was kind of the point. It was to emphasize how unethical our beloved angels were being in trying to magic them into falling in love with each other even in their dodgy behaviour was in service of protecting Gabriel.

I noticed God wasn't narrating as well, but I never thought about them being in 'Jim'

Thank you! Finally someone said it. (spoiler warning but really, if you are reading this comment, you are in deep already) They really built this up to be some big mystery and it looked like something was deeply wrong in Heaven if it got even 'stickler-for-the-rules' Gabriel to leave. They made it sound like he wanted to prevent something by leaving and even erasing his own memories of the event ('if I came here, the Something Terrible might not happen'). Learning it was just because he had the hots for Beelzebub was disappointing. We already knew from seeing the fly in episode one that Beelzebub had something to do with the whole whole thing - so the 'who' wasn't the question but the 'why'. I expected some sort of epic team up, a master plan hatched by the two. I don't mind their romance but it could have happened along the way. And with all the flashbacks it seemed it was all going to tie together - there was definitely a theme of death/life after death/book of revelation going on and then there was no payoff whatsoever. It will probably come back into play in season three but this led to a very unsatisfying ending to me. I like your theory of God herself inhabiting Gabriel. I missed the narration this season, it was so great in season one. Of course, season two was still fun and I still cried at the ending, and I will be watching the last season as well - but I am a little disappointed with the overall plot.

​@@rkah6187 I didn't really expect the big secret to be that Gabriel was bored with heaven and wanted to elope, but it was fine I guess. It suited this season being very small scale and personal, and John Hamm got to be goofy in a different way this season though I do think he was more interesting when the goofiness was tinged with viciousness.

No,they fucking don't need "that talk"....they are ASEXUAL! it clearly says so in the first bloody book!they are not gay or straight or ANYTHING! Two immortals who CANNOT PROCREATE have no need to form romantic relationships!!!!!

as someone who loves seeing aziraphale and crowley interact i was bathing in butter basically

​@@moonfacedlover I think the audience is divided between those who consume the show as a very well - written sitcom and just want to hang out with our angel bros (that's me) and those who want an exciting story too, or instead of.

@@alanpennie At first I was confused because I was expecting the people from the first season to appear but it was soon forgotten about. Could also be that they take this season as them caving into the fan fiction. The only issue I see with them having a slice of life storyline is they might have to rush next season with them having 6 episodes and it being the last season. The love confession in the end will feel rushed regardless of what they go with due to a huge storyline with heaven next season when they could have started it thus season.

More than that, Pratchett clearly said in the first book that angels and demons are asexual,and turning them into lovers cheapens their friendship,I was REALLY very annoyed by that

@@deanwaller8283 Per Neil Gaiman as of 2019: "I wouldn't exclude the ideas that they are ace, or aromantic, or trans. They are an angel and a demon, not as make (I think this might be a typo) humans, per the book. Occult/Ethereal beings don't have sexes, something we tried to reflect in the casting. Whatever Crowley and Aziraphale are, it's a love story."

@@deanwaller8283 I agree it cheapens the friendship. The whole thing feels forced and somehow feeble now. I'm going to stick with the book and Season 1.

@@CJBailey372 except gaiman didn't write good omens,Pratchett did,by gaimans own admission it was almost all sir Terry's work,so gaimans opinion is of little worth frankly,Pratchett wrote them as friends,why they felt the need to make.them more is baffling,it does nothing to move the narrative forwards,it's simply pandering

@@deanwaller8283 Where did you get that Gaiman didn't write GO? I looked up an interview Neil did, and the process seemed pretty collaborative to me. And your opinion that his opinion is "of little worth" is frankly disparaging and irrelevant. Sir Terry is sadly no longer with us, so Neil is pretty much the only source we have left. One of the producers who, by the way, was also a close friend of Pratchett's said that Gaiman's goal with Good Omens is to make something Terry would have been proud of, and he believes they've succeeded. Further, despite being essentially sexless, Aziraphale is described as "gayer than a treeful of monkeys on nitrous oxide" in the book. I personally think that the adaptation is brilliant and could see the romantic aspect between the Ineffable Husbands coming from a mile off. I'm glad they actually confirmed it instead of queerbaiting like so many shows like to do. If you don't like how the season turned out, or the adaptation in general, that sucks, and I'm sad for you. You'll always have the book.

Dostoyevsky's problem I suppose. Are you prepared to kill a child to save the world?

Thank you.

Just so. Though why anyone would watch season 1 for the plot I don't know. I suppose it might be more appealing to those who actually watched the Omen series back in the day.

@@alanpennie I think season one did a great job in adapting the book tho

This shipping of Crowley and Aziraphale happened long before Season 1. That comes directly from fans of the original book.

@@Kleineganz doesn't matter, it's well written, it's well built. The last scene is a direct recall of two scenes in season one. It was made with sense, not to please fans, ant it shows

@@lapersianaperta Then why are you griping about the shipping? Let fans do what they want.

@@Kleineganz because it happened that writers did a mess just to please fans but without building It, and it was a disaster. This isn't a disaster, this is well done. Fans can do whatever, but their ideas are not to be taken seriously by showrunners

As American, I can say Americans generally don't like ambiguity and Season 2 seemed more geared to Americans saying "yeah, they want each other!" I prefer the more British "suggestive don't need to hold your hand make your own conclusion" style of Season 1.

The angry kissing was painful to watch, but it was how I would expect Crowley to react to such a betrayal by his only friend. The opposite of a Judas kiss, you could say.

He also conceived the idea for the sequel WITH Neil. These Pratchett fans whining about how Terry wouldn't approve of the budding relationship are real irritating. But their obliviousness to the obvious hints in season 1 is pretty funny, at least.

I think it’s because season one didn’t have much interesting characters. Didn’t care much for the witch lady or the witch hunter group. The friend group of Adam was annoying. Didn’t help that the actor who plays Adam wasn’t the best actor. Maybe those characters where better written in the books?

They were heavily implied to be in love in Season 1 and the book.

I know what you mean. After seeing Season 1, I hoped they would leave it at that and not go spoiling it. So far, three episodes in, Season 2 is definitely not up to par.

Yes, exactly.

Just finished reading a Jeeves novel by Wodehouse, and even though it's all, I mean, ALL social conflicts, it still had a way more developed plot. Pratchett was one of the masters of plotting. Multiple arcs that develop across time and space. Gaiman just doesn't have that. He thinks of a primary hook, and that's it. He writes what he needs to to get that across, and it's done. Pratchett does WAY more than that. If Pratchett had written Aziraphale going to another city, it would've introduced a character primary to the plot or would've been a meeting of these characters and the plot was already progressing for both, and then their meeting would've further developed the plot and complicated it. All of this happens in Good Omens too! Think Aziraphale and Crowley meeting Anathema. Gaiman should've realised he can't do a good Pratchett and stayed away from this.

Let alone the first book clearly says that angels and demons are Asexual!!!!

@@deanwaller8283asexual means lacking sexual attraction. they can still feel love. i don't see why they couldn't when they act a lot like humans, anyway. i would've executed it slightly different but they love each other, whether someone sees it as akin to friends or romance

Season 2 was great, what you on about?

In season 1.

@@cameliabenhmida1773 ahh yes, so season 2 could just become a complete bumfest

@@SteveJones-uf9hs exactly 🙃🤣

Why? Neil Gaiman said he wrote the show as a "love story." Here's the tweet in case you need proof: "I wouldn't exclude the ideas that they are ace, or aromantic, or trans. They are an angel and a demon, not as make humans, per the book. Occult/Ethereal beings don't have sexes, something we tried to reflect in the casting. Whatever Crowley and Aziraphale are, it's a love story." And he said that in 2019.

Neil Gaiman confirmed the "love story" was in the plans for the sequel him and Pratchett had started working on, years before the show. No fan service.