Google CEO Sundar Pichai says AI search will actually help the web

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On this special episode of Decoder, Google CEO Sundar Pichai sat down with Nilay Patel this week following the company's I/O developer conference to talk about the state of AI, the major changes rolling out now to Google Search, and the future of the web.
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00:00 - Intro
00:22 - Language vs intelligence
04:06 - Future of Google Search
07:31 - "Google Zero" & website decline
10:11 - AI Overviews
14:15 - OpenAI's Sora & fair use training
17:09 - Compensating creators for content
21:45 - The rise of AI spam
25:02 - Testing AI Overviews in Google Search
30:31 - Multimodal search & competing with OpenAI
32:47 - Solving AI hallucinations
35:57 - What the web looks like in 5 years
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@TheVerge 24 күн бұрын

Is the web the final boss that Google has been working its way up to killing all along?

@itsachyutkrishna 24 күн бұрын

One thing i don't understand is the same guy published why is Google not shipping? And the same guy is saying why is Google shipping

@NadimShaikh-qv7zj 24 күн бұрын

You didn't ask any questions about the new merger of Android, Chrome and hardware teams?

@xionpentagast 24 күн бұрын

Unless the web becomes a paywall most content is up for grabs by aibots. That's why certain creators give some free content but if you want more there's a subscription.

@EricBarthDev 24 күн бұрын

it's more than the Web.. they want religions, govts, and everything with power... they want it all dead and under their control via AI. Their overlord Klaus Schwab talks about all of it.

@bb69bb 24 күн бұрын

@@NadimShaikh-qv7zj that seems like a simple internal management and organising decision, nothing that concerns us and no effect on output of products and services, just my guess

@madhavagrawal8303 24 күн бұрын

Nilay cooked. He always asks ceos challenging questions. But this one was crazy. Kinda hard to see Sundar struggle so much. But thank you Nilay we need more journalists like you

@sherlan1886 24 күн бұрын

Agreed, it was interesting to see Sundar struggle through this but it also makes this topic scary for me. It seems like he was pressed on focusing on optimism, that he wasn’t prepared for those hard questions. In my opinion, he should be because these are some real concerns and these are the things Open AI, Microsoft, Google and soon Apple needs to consider.

@mmcc2852 24 күн бұрын

@@sherlan1886 i dont really see sundar struggle as much as being honest instead of corporate BS. also some questions were framed at a pigeon hole way with singular case/anecdotal and he exercised a fair reframing of the questions

@MentalEdge 23 күн бұрын

"let's start with an easy one" I laughed.

@toadlguy 21 күн бұрын

Nilay pressed him on some really tough questions, but I think that Sundar also tried to answer him (for the most part). I got the feeling he really wanted to say that if Google didn't switch to "AI Overviews" then other providers using RAG were simply going to eat Google's lunch (but I think he wanted to maintain Google's invincibility). Much better discussion than you normally get from CEO interviews.

@thenextension9160 21 күн бұрын

The Verge is the number one tech website. They got the power to have interviews like this. Very well done.

@ahrens01 24 күн бұрын

Appreciate nilay being okay with asking real questions!!

@kizanko 24 күн бұрын

He's avoiding the critical question being asked. And smaller websites are having a hard time, ofcourse the ''restaurant next door'' is doing very well, because it's sponsored and payed money to be seen. Google doesn't need to know it all, all it needs to do is guide us to the places that provide the information we seek. No Social media app can compare to how fun and informative websites of the past used to be. Google took that away..

@over30edm 23 күн бұрын

Yes! No access journalism here. "Reckless" is thoughtful. Great. inteview. I listened to the whole thing in the car during the workday, but then came back here to watch the video.

@dohmygoodness 22 күн бұрын

Sundar saying ”um uh how do I say this” means this is a good journalism 😂

@phyzix_phyzix 20 күн бұрын

@@kizanko Vote with your eyeballs. Use another search engine like duck duck go.

@Forgan_Mreeman 19 күн бұрын

let’s not forget to thank the internet overlord CEO for answering the questions and not ending the interview like an elon

@thenormalone6753 24 күн бұрын

Giving the CEO of Google your own phone to show him that Google Search is flawed was a move I didn't expect haha

@yasirelec 21 күн бұрын

And sundar embracing that with checking the email remark was definitely funny as hell

@RPHelpingHand 18 күн бұрын

25:02 Watch the CEO’s face when he starts to pull out the phone 😂 Also, the interviewer laughs at the end of every answer of the CEO like everything is jolly and casual, then dropping another straight faced banger. It’s about time someone ask about the herd of elephants in the room.

@tantoun 24 күн бұрын

It seems the job of a CEO is to find the best non answer to every question

@sonajalg 20 күн бұрын

That's the function of the comms team usually😅

@harshavardhanvenkatasaikot6861 24 күн бұрын

Out of all the pichai’s interviews this one feels different and honest.

@bombombalu 23 күн бұрын

Did he even answer a single question? He deeply feels something… is all I heard. Hardly any concrete answers/solutions for creators for all the deep thinking they do at Google.

@GM-xk1nw 22 күн бұрын

Bro really said honest

@salaarkhan3438 14 күн бұрын

Not all pichai all ceo

@harshavardhanvenkatasaikot6861 14 күн бұрын

In my opinion, Honest is the wrong word but out of all the interviews I have seen this one by far he opened up, Google invented the transformer, I think they have a bigger model than anyone but they got it every time wrong when competing with Open AI, and they can do more, but they have limitations like anti-trust cases, AI safety, etc..., They do have the tools. everyone wants exciting tools like chat GPT4o and something new the race is on so let's see who wins

@SleepyPossums 24 күн бұрын

You asked some hard questions! He seemed sincerely unsure how to answer a lot of them. Pichai seems completely committed to this current path, which I’m not sold on yet. Great interview, full of great insights.

@Cevichelicious 24 күн бұрын

I think that's something similar to every ai company right now. They all seem to be excited about the prospects, and don't legitimately trying to deal with possible negatives but still unsure of what will happen etc. it really shows how much of a uncharted territory this is

@sherlan1886 24 күн бұрын

@@Cevicheliciouswhich is what makes it very very dangerous at the same time. If they are all going into this with just optimism, we are gonna have a major problem in the next few years. Clearly there are negatives and these cannot be ignored.

@Petrolhead11 24 күн бұрын

Nilay should do all the CEO interviews. Kudos to Sundar for answering all the questions honestly rather than avoiding.

@phyzix_phyzix 20 күн бұрын

That guy dodged so many questions I'm gonna start calling him Neo Pichai

@JoseJimenez-il5vs 20 күн бұрын

It's what he's paid $200 million a year for. And yet, he's completely incompetent.

@jajajinks1569 18 күн бұрын

"answering all the questions honestly rather than avoiding" did we watch the same interview??

@Spo8 24 күн бұрын

Surprisingly weighty questions for a level of CEO that’s usually surrounded by a PR buffer. Good stuff.

@unquestionabletv 24 күн бұрын

Interview Tim and Craig again after WWDC please

@bb69bb 24 күн бұрын

apple isn't open to unscripted interviews lol

@zt9233 23 күн бұрын

lol indeed.

@toadlguy 21 күн бұрын

Just don't let them see this interview, first 🤣 (Or they might not show up)

@_____case 24 күн бұрын

Remember kids, there's no such thing as "searching the web". You're only ever searching some company's indexed corpus of the web's content. Edit: Lots of people in the comments are either not understanding my point (that censorship is inherent in how search engines work), or they believe this point is so obvious that it's not worth stating, which seems naive to me.

@Errhhk 24 күн бұрын

Stating the obvious much

@chris_ibe 24 күн бұрын

There’s no such thing as “using your phone” you’re only using some company’s assembled product… very unintelligent take

@ChuckMahon 24 күн бұрын

This!!!!

@andrevshimself 24 күн бұрын

@@chris_ibeyou are wrong. Google gives you the web they want you to see. If you make a Website and Google doesn't want people to see it then it won't show up in search.

@CleansHaven 24 күн бұрын

Google isn't the only thing that exists @@andrevshimself

@0BAMiiN 24 күн бұрын

Nice questions, finally an interview that wasn't catered to make the interviewee look good. The answers on the other hand weren't that nice, seems like Sundar didn't even have a straight answer in the first place for many of them.

@mdmsearcher 24 күн бұрын

He guess he hinted it , in transition you will see a lot of unknowns and many of the users don't know how to use it properly (Including himself?).

@Rajinikanthan-M0 23 күн бұрын

That's because of questions related, how it's gonna be in future or 5 years from now... how can Sundar Pichai predict that accurately... only presume / assume... but I appreciate the honesty of Sundar Pichai, always....

@rintintin_ 24 күн бұрын

07:01 wow the answer that Sundar gave to Nilay was really just ‘this is the end of an era’.

@issiewizzie 24 күн бұрын

Great hard interview .... great work team

@MMMM-vh5wl 24 күн бұрын

Nilay did a great job asking tough questions without excessively grilling Sundar to the point where he became defensive, although his answers to many questions weren't great, the interview itself was conducted well.

@tpain525 24 күн бұрын

15 mins in and bro is asking BANGER questions, between this and the apple Vision... tells me the verge has NO fear lmao

@JacobWoods567 24 күн бұрын

Great interviewing. It’s important that these companies get grilled

@leafhurricane30 24 күн бұрын

After a loooong time watching a real interview!

@afmo500 24 күн бұрын

Best opening interview questions ever.

@joghaella9500 24 күн бұрын

Thanks to the Verge team for adding the slides for the referenced articles in the video!

@stevendecoeyer1987 24 күн бұрын

Really good interview; excellent questions!!

@jonmarc876 23 күн бұрын

This should be a template for how all interviews with Tech CEOs should be. Honestly, just great.

@zeth609 24 күн бұрын

Eli is not pulling his punches. Great.

@theinnocent_one 24 күн бұрын

Its Nilay.

@BryceDriesenga 24 күн бұрын

I think it's Nelly, actually

@studiously__ 23 күн бұрын

@@BryceDriesenga its Eli lily

@martinlutherkingjr.5582 15 күн бұрын

It’s cheese cake, actually

@AlastairTyeSamson 24 күн бұрын

This interview didn't do much to quell my sense that Pichai is completely out of his depth. The question-dodging is not unexpected. I don't like it, but CEO gonna CEO. What's far more damning here are all the questions he appears to be completely unprepared for. I'm sure he's a smart dude - you don't just fail upwards into his role - but there really are times he comes across inarticulate and out of his depth. I've never seen a company's products be allowed to fall from grace so miserably. If AI is the direction he wants to go then do it! But to launch products before they're ready while allowing the existing products and services that they're replacing to devolve so dramatically that they're utterly unusable while the replacement is not up to scratch only leaves your users with an ecosystem where nothing works. This breeds resentment towards your brand and sends users looking for a replacement ecosystem. I genuinely think we're witnessing the biggest corporate fumble in modern history.

@woocashky 23 күн бұрын

yeah, you're making really good points here - Sundar's unpreparedness in that interview is eerily reflective of how Google was caught off guard by OpenAI in recent years. I don't think they will go down but they will likely loose the leadership in the tech world - they already lost as a tech innovator for sure.

@DingoAteMeBaby 22 күн бұрын

when he started getting catty you could tell hes def out of his depth

@Jump-2-the-moon 21 күн бұрын

Clearly Sundar should do more layoffs to protect his pockets /s

@designthinkingwithgian 21 күн бұрын

Google is scrambling to move fast but they are a VAST organization with many layers and this is the reality of mega corporations trying to “pivot” against this disruption

@TheMrNatch 21 күн бұрын

You absolutely fail upwards because the guys who go upwards aren’t the ones who do good things for users it’s the ones who make a lot of money for other people

@MaxArthey 24 күн бұрын

Great interview! Please keep uploading Decoder to KZfaq!

@bilalazhar4495 23 күн бұрын

Thanks verge for making first real interview on your channel and AI related in general

@dplj4428 23 күн бұрын

Not quite off topic, interviewers like this should be the ones who quiz our political candidates.

@definitelyabot 24 күн бұрын

Great interview!! You asked some difficult questions

@TimothyLeeClark 24 күн бұрын

hard hitting questions. excellent interview!

@gunhaver12 20 күн бұрын

This is a true no-bulshhit conversation. Nilay has real life things at stake here. I live for these kinds of interviews.

@karanchordiaable 24 күн бұрын

Never seen such a raw and on point interview in a long time.

@antonmartinsson 24 күн бұрын

No one asks the tough questions like Nilay. What an interview!

@TheTravisNewton 24 күн бұрын

Not Pichai giving politician answers.

@isaacstevens1912 24 күн бұрын

I mean, Google has more employees than many politicians have constituents, so it tracks. Not to mention the number of customers

@busyworksbeats 22 күн бұрын

Is this an interview or an interrogation??

@gowdersareonthego 22 күн бұрын

Thanks for asking the questions we all want to hear answers to! Not sure he really answered them, but thanks for putting them out there!

@SearchingForSounds 24 күн бұрын

He doesn't sounds like he believes his own words 6:40 - Sorry but people are right. AI will kill traffic. Without a content attribution model baked into LLM system, nobody is going to save most websites with legacy content.

@ksX-pk8su 15 күн бұрын

At some point AI Corps maniacs will realise that the "well of information(the web)" is nearing empty and thus their precious AI bots will have limited or zero resources to be trained on. I don't think they are that naïve to think otherwise. Consequently, they will encourage contents to be published and distributed, it's in their interest at the end of the day. AI are dependent on access to old and new information and knowledge and for that they will need content (text, videos, images etc). It's really that simple, they cannot cut off the hand that feeds them.

@kuakilyissombroguwi 24 күн бұрын

Really awesome interview! Definitely great to see Sundar come down from his ivory tower and discuss things in this format.

@Omar-et7sb 24 күн бұрын

Love you Nilay for the tough, nuanced, smart questions... Some parts were uncomfortable - and that was a good thing. Weird he said you put "words in his mouth" on something obvious.

@danielsundersingh1 24 күн бұрын

Excellent interview! Very interesting to see an interview challenging the guest, especially on crucial topics.

@lolista 24 күн бұрын

Nilay has the best questions of all journalists out there.

@kristenmarkel9857 17 күн бұрын

Finally an interviewer asking hard questions! Wish there were answers but appreciate the great efforts of the verge team.

@RazeenMujarrab 23 күн бұрын

Nilay you're one of the best journalists that I've ever heard. Glad to be a fan since the early 2010s!

@Mionwang 24 күн бұрын

This is an excellent interview! The Bloomberg interview felt like it was heavily scrutinized by Google. P.S. Having listened to the interview and having processed it, here's what I think is the primary problem with Pichai continuing to lead this monstrosity of an entity that's Google: He lacks opinions and visions that are his own. Unlike, say, Musk or Sama, Pichai doesn't seem to have any strong opinions about anything. He seems like a robot, reacting to the things happening around it according to its programming. That works when everything is going well and there's no competition, but backfires when you're required to innovate. Whenever some critical question (that didn't require technicalities but were more of a moral/philosophical question) was asked, he defaulted to "i don't know, i'll have to ask my team". I think that's a huge problem. I think that my point can be proven by the fact that google services have been becoming increasingly buggy and unreliable. They've also cancelled some incredible projects that had the potential of becoming massive if only they could keep pushing through and taken some minor losses for a few initial years. That's the result of someone who lacks vision and passion.

@designthinkingwithgian 21 күн бұрын

To be fair, Google is a massive conglemerate a many business units. To have granular opinions on all topics seems like a tall order to fill. I agree that he needs to be more decisive and have a “go forward” vision. But this level of disruption is a dance with one foot in the future and one future in the “current state” since AI first search would cannibalize their own business model.

@bonital119 21 күн бұрын

40 minutes of Silicon Valley NPC spitting tech jargon 😍

@JoveroIV 24 күн бұрын

Great interview and props to the CEO for answering these tough questions.

@JoveroIV 24 күн бұрын

Now I want to see Apple agree to a tough interview like this after WWDC!

@michaeltrinh3332 24 күн бұрын

tough questions, a joy to watch

@zhanezar 24 күн бұрын

im scared we wont have things like the verge in the future at least not freely avaliable . Great work Nilay and the team

@GregoryPiferi 23 күн бұрын

Amazing questions from Nilay pushing back at Google. It's scary how far companies are willing to go to become so dominant.

@jmoralesh 24 күн бұрын

I know they're two different giants, but in interviews, to me Sundar Pichai often seems insecure and with thin answers, but Satya Nadella seems like navigating known waters, even though Nadella often evades half of the questions. For a tech CEO in this kind of league this is just totally deathly.

@Cevichelicious 24 күн бұрын

I mean I think it's comforting when someone is honest even when it's not purely direct. If there's one thing I've realized watching sadya, Sam and Sundar is that they're all excited for the technology but none of them seem to really have solid set answers for the concerns

@sherlan1886 24 күн бұрын

Satya is more charismatic.

@Brian-oz8io 24 күн бұрын

Yeah a lot of his answers were basically “I don’t know, but these are my intentions” which I think is honest and I really prefer that over a strongly delivered lie

@mrcandycanemcc6686 20 күн бұрын

Nadella is overrated ASF.

@childoftheweb_ 24 күн бұрын

wow this was an actuallly good interview nilay!!

@Mirtual 24 күн бұрын

Really want to like this dude but it seems like every hard hitting question niley has is met with "i think that's a very deep question", "im not sure what the perfect solution is" instead of actual logic and reasoning

@bobble227 24 күн бұрын

Nilay’s best interview work by far 👍

@Rajinikanthan-M0 23 күн бұрын

Nilay always straight forward.... never shying away from that.....

@VishnuPadmanabhan 22 күн бұрын

Nilay has outdone himself with this interview. Great, direct questions and on point. Excellent!

@mikecmc2015 24 күн бұрын

Nilay killed it with the questions.

@satoriasimov9169 24 күн бұрын

I’m really impressed by the questions asked. Well done

@hasitharanavaka1765 24 күн бұрын

The best interview I saw in the AI space. Generally the interviews are super focused on the user, not much about the content creator. Just like the LLMs. I think Google will have a balancing act to play as they have the incentive to do so.

@madscola 23 күн бұрын

Not only great questions here. Sundar’s answers are explaining his / googles point of view in a (to me) surprisingly honest and thoughtful manner. While he is listening to the questions and the perspectives in the questions he is fairly explaining his point of view and pushing back. Great interview! This was very interesting to me.

@MrNick99 24 күн бұрын

Great interview

@teespeck3285 24 күн бұрын

wonderful interview nilay! these questions need to be asked by lawmakers and other large business owners

@nirbhaykumarchaubey8777 23 күн бұрын

Brutal questions by Nilay Patel

@christophermancey3818 13 күн бұрын

Here after hearing this recommend on Waveform podcast. It didn’t disappoint

@taylorscott1849 23 күн бұрын

I really apprecaite the depth and thoughtfulness to these questions!

@321erup123 24 күн бұрын

Bro needed to get grilled a little

@itsachyutkrishna 24 күн бұрын

One thing i don't understand is the same guy published why is Google not shipping? And the same guy is saying why is Google shipping

@user-lj8nm3pw1n 22 күн бұрын

Nilay always enjoy. Thanks for sharing. 💯✌️

@romeo72899 23 күн бұрын

Excellent set of questions

@MartinCharles 24 күн бұрын

This is one of the best interviewers I've seen in a long time

@SageAwakens 23 күн бұрын

This is a very good interview, well done.

@ilibraci 24 күн бұрын

Nilay's interviews are always very good

@dan110024 24 күн бұрын

This was a great interview.

@vasudevakilaru61 22 күн бұрын

It's on par with level of interviewing tech ceos, others or just chitchats.

@saminnippon 24 күн бұрын

No matter how Google I/O came across as Corporate we can’t just ignore the fact that they went all in on the human first aspect of integrating their AI research

@Cevichelicious 24 күн бұрын

It also seems they're at least putting some effort into doing things responsibly. I don't think it's enough and I'm assuming they're being rushed because other companies are going full speed seemingly with no worry about safety

@chaosjacky 23 күн бұрын

"We put * insert any type of user * at the center". The dude as the most corporate answers possible it's frustrating

@fromscratch4109 21 күн бұрын

Hard-core questions wow great work

@StolenGarage 24 күн бұрын

wow. good job on that intterview!

@ItsNewYokio 24 күн бұрын

Great interview good questions

@bluepurplepink 24 күн бұрын

Fantastic interview by the Verge. They didn’t Molly coddle Sundar Pichai. What this man does with Google affects all of our lives significantly. It impacts politics and well being of humanity unironically

@adriablancafort 21 күн бұрын

Very well done interview. Straight to the point.

@JoshxDarnxIt 24 күн бұрын

God damn, this interview went hard. Good job team lol

@Sleep-somemore 24 күн бұрын

What is the counter on the word"ecosystem" in this interview.

@aljosacebokli 24 күн бұрын

Sundar very non committed and wishy washy, Which tells me that there are a lot of things that they haven't planned for. Including monetization of sources and websites. I think this has a great potential to end in disaster both for Google and the web at large

@ijimkoz 24 күн бұрын

Nilay well-done sir…

@Lemonade15757 24 күн бұрын

Great questions!!

@peteresenwa 18 күн бұрын

Love this interview. Asked questions I hadn't even considered.

@SergiuMunteanu 23 күн бұрын

Great questions!

@PepsT 23 күн бұрын

I remember when I was a teen wanting to work at Google so badly because of how much innovation they had-this was around the time Gmail came out, and I used to ask for Gmail invites back then. Google should get a CEO who will bring them back to that level.

@eggyeggbean 17 күн бұрын

Hell of an interview Nilay!

@sreev887 23 күн бұрын

Where is the Brother printer question 😹 But fantastic questions and kudos to Sundar for balancing diplomatic and realistic answer

@matts9728 24 күн бұрын

Great questions. It did not seem like Sundar could be completely intellectually honest with his answers. Which makes sense, but just what i noticed

@joxxen 22 күн бұрын

Very nice intervju, hard questions

@davadh 24 күн бұрын

Pichai is always so professional in interviews and his speeches

@waleedkhalid3744 20 күн бұрын

This is probably the best Tech CEO interview I have seen. Great questions! 😊

@quantx6572 17 күн бұрын

great interview.

@cosmicwit 24 күн бұрын

Fascinating that, when asked about the AI system getting the camera film thing wrong, he doesn't admit that LLM technology and neural nets are simply not able to permit computers to understand the world and how it works. I suppose he can't cop to that, and may not even be familiar with the underlying tech to that level.

@NPRixix 23 күн бұрын

Nilay did a very good job with this interview.

@samuelbaker5577 24 күн бұрын

Is there a way that LLMs can consult LMMs or Large mathematical models so it doesn't mess up their matrices for customized things like language and math? Is it wise to make a narrow AI good at language and math at the same time when it's not possible in the human brain to be both very good at math and language at the same time?