Props to the cameraman for checking ejection consistency

Just a tip I've seen from family and other youtubers. If you take a mobile torch with you like the blue can ones at ACE hardware, and you just lightly pass the flame over the faces of a gel block, it will just barely melt the outside. It smoothes it and improves clarity and observability massively. I know its one more thing to bring to the range, but I just think its a neat trick.

That permanent wound channel is incredible.

For anyone wondering what the VSS Vintorez he looked at yesterday might sound like when firing, this is actually similar, though a bit quieter since the suppressor on it isn't as good. People say that 7.62x39 and supersonic .300 blackout are very similar rounds with roughly identical ballistics, and the same can absolutely be said about this round and 9x39 even if the diameter is different, though 8.6 probably has a better BC as a result with a bullet of the same weight

Have you ever considered using a new and improved high tech fleece bullet stop?

Takes earplugs out, and then the guy 10 feet to the side with the 4 inch .44 Magnum opens up.. 😂

Nice to have a Gorilla for a GF, Ian! She will reliably protect you.

The 8.6 Blackout is just a really interesting round. Please make more videos about the 8.6.

Really underrated stuff for everything non-military use. There are some German swat-like police units which use the new HK437 "sneaker" with .300 Blackout. That's super silent for urban tactical and civilian protection purposes but still enough stopping power and not also hitting someone behind the bad guy^^ With 9" and folding stock it's basically MP5 size...just looks way sleaker, modern and badass. In fact there is even a version with a paddle-release if you're used to the MP5 for years.

8.6mm is really getting some recognition right now ain't it.

Getting cheap but heavy 338 jacketed bullets that can survive the spin rate is what's really going to get the cost way down on ammo,

Performance of that bullet was really impressive.

10:19 That's the kind of disclosure that should be at the _start_ of the video you know...

That expansion just wow, 8.6 looks very appealing hope it is able to succeed

8.6 is awesome the wound channels are incredible

Oof. That round opening up in the gel block looked like a brass grappling hook. Between the lack of noise, and terminal prefomance that looks like it will be a solid round when production catches up and its not so darned expensive!

Love very heavy subsonics. the 8.6 certainly seems interesting but not a lot of use to me because I'm limited to straight wall. A bit off topic but the straight wall cartridge law in Maryland has no maximum OAL like in other states, only the minimum muzzle energy of 1,200 foot pounds. that means that you could use a 45-70 if you wanted, unlike a lot of other straight wall states. ACME makes a 458 socom bullet in 576 grains that butterfly ammo loads supersonic in 45-70 called their "Buffalo Hump" so you could conceivably hand load these bullets subsonic and easily make the minimum muzzle energy requirement. I would love to use a converted siamese mauser or enfield rifle in 45-70 and shoot heavy for caliber bullets suppressed subsonic. of course this is all contingent on your rifle being capable of stabilizing such a large bullet reliably and shots being short enough to account for significant bullet drop.

Yes, I am hoping for the Texas Silencer Act to prevail in the 5th CCOA. However, I believe that similar laws are going forward elsewhere. Buying a barrel and assembling an upper I think is the way to go. There will be a problem with some of the shorter barrels in finding handguards. I would also go with the FAXON threaded adapter, and their muzzle brake. More expensive but who knows? As for the handguard, it is difficult but not impossible to find handguards less than 10" for LR308 uppers. Buy the ammunition specifically for your application. As said, I found most are $50 a box, but available.

Your GF: wants expensive presents, absent minded while on a date, cheating on you Ian's (Gorilla) GF: semi-auto, fully suppressed, 8.6mm

Sounds like you’re just sending the bolt home when you fire, that’s freaking awesome!

Love the grin of joy from Ian when he started firing this gun😁😁 I somehow get the feeling he liked it. Loved the explanation then the example of why a fast spinning bullet would be good for hunting.... OW! Conservation of angular momentum or something along those lines maybe. This demonstrates that not only feet per second is important. I imagine this would make a good home defence round 😈😈

We very much appreciate being able to ear the occasional ricochet. That’s some production quality right there.

1 in 3'' twist? Now this is the real Vintorez

You’re the best advertiser of 8.6… if you’re not getting paid by big ammo I don’t know who does your brand deals

This is the round that the VSS Vintorez really wanted to shoot. Unreal performance, absolutely perfect for clandestine engagement at almost all the normal ranges of engagement.

I would love to see desert tech do a micron conversion kit around this for 8.6. It would be niche but it would be awesome for this round. You could get a fully suppressed CQB rifle that is less that 28" in length. It feels like it would be perfect for that role. Quiet. Check. Devastating impacts. Check. Maneuverable rifle. Check.

Also a good amount of the bullet is in contact with the tight rifling. That ensures a solid spin.

That actually sounds like a movie silencer.

I think we’ll have to rename it “8.6 Crépuscule” as Ian loves it sooo much. (and I have to say, after watching the video, so do I).

Handsome rifle. Hard hitting for sure.

That thing is a monster, sweet engineering bullet design.

It costs $60 to fire this weapon...for twelve seconds.

When Ian can't find 7.5 French and wants people to switch to another caliber:

Rather good performance for a sub-sonic round. Also as AR-10s so, that thing is super light. Seems it would be a great option for night swine hunting, and not a bad special situation combat weapon as well.

I was working at Faxon Firearms at the time that 8.6 was being developed. We couldn't get projectiles from Horilla, so we had to hand-turn our own solid copper projectiles for testing.

Lol the whistle of that 2nd shot hitting the plate and then spinning off to the heavens.

May not have nailed the target every time but he sure nailed the camera man!

The petaled round looks nasty, like the grappling hook that Batman uses.

Promising caliber. However in a lot of countries there is bullet energy requirements for hunting ammunition. And the requirements vary depending of which animal is hunted.

8.6 will soon become a forgotten cartridge unless the price per round quickly drops to about a buck a round.

Ian has a new toy... and it is pretty cool.

The way it opens up, it's effectively a broadhead

8.6 Blackout looks to have some benefits and barrels are becoming more available and affordable. Wonder what the options to reload this cartridge are.

You'd think if Gorilla was sending you the gun for advertising purposes, they'd also send you a bucket of bullets... I guess they're following the old Gillette strategy?

Big fan of the ar 10, not sure about $50 per mag. Perfect ejection pattern for a platform that was historically overgassed.

The 1:3 twist can be heard... the ricochets sound fantastic.

thnx ,Ian ,nice upload . Enjoyed it a lotttt

1:20 The person operating the camera has to fight for his/her life 😄

Ian's humming while he sets up. Yes indeed, very pleasant day to shoot at the range I see haha.

The 260 Remington version is interesting for sure.

8.6 seems like a great option for those who already have an AR10 lower set up for hunting. Not sure it beats subsonic 450 bushmaster in an AR-15 for hunting.

The grappling hook round!

I got the Fix and Fix mini and they quickly became my favorite gun and caliber to shoot. Due to the cost of the ammo I got myself setup with a reloading setup for it. Still waiting on some stuff but cannot wait to make my own rounds.

As a cartridge hipster, I approve. Would've liked to see how much authority it hit the spinner with, tho.

I remember many years ago hearing about ammo that was 50 center per round and that was crazy. Can we go back to that?

Taking 'be vewy vewy quiet" to a whole new level. And still hits like a truck.

AR-10 or DPMS pattern? Thanks for showing the gel test. A lot of presenters haven’t explained the effect of the wicked fast twist rate on bullet expansion. It’s not so much “rotational energy” transferred to the target as it is rotational energy ensuring reliable expansion even at very slow velocity. That bullet looked like a propeller. P.S. please make Hornady start producing 8.6 ammunition. Current prices are insane.

Oh, almost forgot. The action of an AR or M4/M16 closing is loud enough to be heard from over 800m away. How do I know? My unit got to have a safety stand-down at the range from some Pentagon Medical LTC who was visiting right after doing a Paper on the subject. Once they got to 1000m meters, they inadvertently got drowned out by a bunch of passing Bradley's, but could hear it at 800m and clear as day at up to 600m. So, while shooting a Semi-auto suppressed with Subsonic ammo is quiet as hell, It's still recommended to take care due to the excessive noise from the action by itself.

As somebody who has lost hearing in his left ear, I find it cringe to see a professional not using ear protection, despite the reality of how much energy the sound coming out from this round on this rifle would be... I would still recommend using ear protection even in this situation

I'm not an engineer but I think the "super high twist rate transfers more energy because of the rotational speed of the bullet" thing sounds like Kevin B. marketing bullshit. Still a cool cartridge but I'm not sold on that part.

Cartridge Ejection: Now In 3D!

Thanks! Very interesting. I didn't realize that the bullet's spin helped it expand. I thought it was just the tissue pushing into the the depression in the bullet that did that.

when the action of the weapon is louder than the discharging of a round

what are the odds that I just watched a bunch of 8.6 videos yesterday and now my fav gun jesus brings us this!

I'm not sure if this is a forgotten weapon or a 11-minute promotion.

There are reloading dies available for 8.6, so the potential for less expensive ammo is there.

Very impressive. The subsonic ammo and can really knocked down the decibels.

I'd love to see a hunting video with this cartridge from y'all. I enjoyed your other hunting videos (particularly the elk hunt) and I think this will have an interesting performance.

Thank You Ian and Gorilla

Very interesting. Now just need an 8.6 conversation kit for the Tavor 7.

500 Blackout Raufoss is the way to go... Subsonic Armor Piercing High Explosive Incendiary is the ultimate hunting cartridge.

Well this was an expensive episode at $2.50. Round

Ian is like the MoistCritikal of guns: long hair, big beard, chill dude. Love his content

8.6 blackout round is freaking incredible it's just a shame it's DOA until a major ammunition manufacturer starts making it.

Would have been interesting to see an adjustable gas block so that it wouldn’t cycle the bolt.

Quite the high praise. Great video as always !

Great for a very specific purpose mabye when production picks up and the price goes down it might be a viable hunting round

Hearing brass ring on the ground is insane

$49.99 for 20 rounds, holy shit

There is a .338 ss round that will fit in an ar 15. Back when J.D. Jones invented the .300 whisper, he also tinkered up the .338 whisper, which will push 275 and 300 gr bullets to 1100fps. They are both based on the .221 fireball case, which share the same case head as 5.56. The .300 whisper is now known as .300 blackout. I dont understand why they didnt do the same with the .338 version..

With 1-3 twist, I take it barrel life might be a bit short. Probably not an issue with a subsonic at $3 a pop. 🤠

hunting gear goals *swoon*

That is the nastiest looking expanded hollow point I’ve ever seen.

You can hear the bullet crack like a '70s western movie.

What a great setup, and not having to wear ear pro has to almost feel weird when shooting.

Ian could make a series called "Future Weapons". There are a lot of videos on prototypes, crazy ideas, and new projects. Gun Jesus even saw that the Hudson was good, but it is no more.

Can’t wait for this to become an Ian’s Customs edition. Handguard over integral suppressor with a permanently fixed bayonet around the barrel to make it 16inches.

Props for not shooting steel and ruining what it sounds like with ringing like everyone else with silencer videos.

everybodys new favorite anti personnel fantasy rifle

how cool is that?! looks like a fun day at the range.

Ian, you are EXACTLY the kind of well spoken, highly educated gentleman I would like to see representing the firearms community politically...

Cool gun & cartridge!

You Americans are so privileged in that you have the proper laws for regular citizen to shoot these wonderful rifles, I'm jealous yes.

Who does remember old bad movie «Harley Davidson and the Marlboro Man», where one protagonist says to the other: «You know, that gun costs about two dollars every time you fire it. That's two bucks a bullet.»

ap2020 outdoors has a lot of good 8.6 gel videos

Sometimes I think Gun Jesus makes videos just to popularize rare cartridges he personally likes so the price would go down

They should get 8.6blk a SAAMI spec first.

THIS is what ive been waiting for. I dont want a bolty for medium to close range

It would be interesting to see the granularity of accuracy of this complete system. Given the weight of the bullet and the fact that it is being "aligned" in the magazine by the actual bullet, does the bullet suffer much from inertial setback as it is being stripped from the mag by the bolt as it cycles? That will affect the accuracy as OAL of the cartridge tends to become somewhat random as it is being chambered.

Good lord… thats a nasty round. Soooo cool i want one