Dear Pastor Keller, As an evolutionary biologist, I really appreciate the humility it takes to “admit” you believe scripture above scientific consensus. It’s also important to note that scientific consensus operates within methodological naturalism (which is tantamount to philosophical naturalism) and so only “natural” and non-agent causes are allowed as inferences to the best explanation for past events like the emergence of humankind. Commitment to naturalism means that if the answer to an origin question is special creation, then the model will never align with historical reality. It is not necessary to do science this way, but unfortunately we are trained to think it is required. I have never accepted that premise and so find no conflict between my Christian worldview and my scientific endeavors.

Indeed... either the Text is being interpreted wrongly or... science is being interpreted wrongly... or a division between both, but what the Text is saying is not wrong, and science isn't saying anything... it really is just straight data with multiple interpretations imposed on it, and those interpretations are ever-changing. Spurgeon has a great quote about " the Broken Bottles of Science".... broken bottles indeed!

Right on Ligon Duncan "Creation ex nihilo", "science" cannot and will not acknowledge God brought into existence by his word. "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made." (John 1:1-3)

Tim mentioned God creating human kind with love and joy. Does God experience Love and Joy the way we understand it? I'm a believer but a very very challenged one.

Thank you Ligon Duncan for caring about the truth of the creation story! God explained our history bu starting in Genesis and so many well-meaning Godly men neglect the very foundation of the creation. I pray that more Godly men will begin to care about the concrete, physical, objective, truth of God's creation as it pertains to our current state of separation from Him.

Four or five “orthodox” views on evolution hardly suggests Christianity, as a revealed religion, has truth to offer. It suggests Christian scholars, like everyone else, simply offers their best thinking, not revealed truth. As a believer in the Lord Jesus, I fail to see how such a framework could really attract thoughtful unbelievers.

Thank you !

What about the fall ? Saying that creation is good, is fine, but it is of no value to us unless we teach the fall. 1 John 2:15 is clear that anybody that loves the world does not have the love of the Father. Jesus said that the world hated him because he testified that the works of the world are evil. Nothing mentioned about the lost and sinful condition of the world. God's creation was good, but it was ruined by the fall of Adam, and that needs to be taught to a world that travails in pain, Romans 8:22 . The teaching that creation is good, the promotion of social justice, and so forth, none of this has any bearing to reality, the world after the fall of Adam is hopeless, fallen, nothing works, there is unending pain, none of this has been taught in this video. Pretty sad, but what can you expect of those that deny a 6 24-hour day creation like the ones on this video, and teach that there is no conflict between christianity and science. God no doubt created the universe in 6 24-hour days, otherwise why would the commandment to obey the Sabbath say that God created the world in 6 days and rested on the 7th, and therefore man must rest on the 7th day (the sabbath) if the days of creation are not 24-hour days. By denying this and adhering to an old earth and stating the days of creations are millions of years, these men rob God of his glory in creating the world in 6 24-hour days in a supernatural manner. Supernatural events like creation cannot be explained by science , period and we must not rob God of his glory by even suggesting there is a scientific explanation for a super natural act of God, a miracle, because this is what God's creation is.

8:20 I wonder if any of that consensus is different now. I think I've read newer studies that it's possible the mt-MRCA and Y-MRCA lived at the same time.

Thank you for this presentation, it was very good. We need to believe that God is, before we can allow Him to intersect in our lives. Our culture has a void in this area. It was Lyell and Darwin who, via biological uniformitarianism, moved science away from an objective field into one where faith and God are dropped from all equations. Today, unless you hold to the "correct view" you will be ostracized in the scientific community. Science is not "settled" it is observation & theory, but has been turned into its own religion of absolutes. Many would prefer to believe they are cosmic accidents, rather than being created in the image of a Creator God.

Is Tim Keller really still saying that he’s reading Genesis literally?

***you can say that: "a square is a circle", it is OK, it is your believe, you can believe in what ever you wish, but mind you it will never change that a square is a square and a circle is a circle; live with your "truth" but leave alone other "truths" as it can be that some crazy one who believes that a square is a "pentagon" .***

8:45 I wonder whether when the Bible says God created Adam out of the "dust of the ground" might it still not be a metaphorical expression meaning that Adam was the final being in an evolutionary chain which began out of the ground and ended with Adam ?

10:00 the science has further contributions in the form of Joshua Swamidas work/book the genealogical adam.and eve. That all humanity can be traced genealogically to an original couple aka adam and Eve

Was there death before Adam fell?

And where are Keller, Moore and Duncan today (July 2022)? Woke? Still trying to please the world?

What would you say a about flat earth ?

Theistic evolution holds no water, and Old earth creation is based on wrong presuppositions. It's one thing to "believe IN God" but it's another to "Believe God". To believe what he says. The statements, the promises, the truth. So if God says Jesus is the only way, its not enough to believe God exists or that he said that... one must believe the statement as truth. Also if God said in six days he created all things, if God says he created the earth first and then the sun later. If plants were before the sun, we have to take that as fact, instead of trying to put our presuppositions onto the text.

A conservative version of theistic, creationistic evolution would say Adam came from a group of hominids living at the time but was changed and entered into a special covenant at that time.

Robert Downey Jr.’s little brother?

There is no guessing about it, read God's word and believe it or don't. But don't ask science if what the bible says is true. God created science. If there is any question about which is right and which is wrong, God and His word is ALWAYS right, science is very flawed.

Know them all: gullibility, self deception, biased thinking, wishfulness, make-believe, obfuscating of reality, servility masked complacency, the active denial of and unwillingness to face reality on reality's terms.

Wow. Mr. Duncan knows exactly how the church fathers read and interpreted Genesis 1:1 ? Fascinating.

Sorry Tim that is not the scietific consenous about Adam and Eve

Tim Keller - "how do you build a society of justice and peace when you say "well nature is really all about power"? Tim Keller thinks that justice and peace have no practical power to shape and influence a society in terms of its ability to thrive, compete and survive? I think his idea of the tooth and claw "power" of nature might be too narrow. That's not to say that might doesn't have a place in society. Justice often needs to be enforced for example. But show me a relatively peaceful, cooperative society with rules and a sense of justice pitted against a comparable one that lacks those qualities and I'd not bet so quickly on the long term chances of the lawless one!

huh. so much for the authority of Scripture... several references to *_Augustine's arguments_* and ZERO to Jesus...

Really???, how do humans actually presume to know the mind of God? My concept of God is so HUGE and so full of wonder and respect that I would never have the audacity to judge and decide what beliefs are or are not non-negotiable. I have more awe of God than to presume I , a human, have the wisdom or understanding to decide what ideas are in or out of faith and what people are in or out of God's world. Arrogance of the Pharisee in the temple but now on youtube. Bunch of men puffed up with their own self importance and sense of wisdom talking in circles.

06:50 IF Christianity is true, then we have God creating all but playing favorites with his chosen people. How is it better than what the science offers? And, IF Christianity is true, then the majority of the world's population ends up in an eternal hell. How is this better than science? There is nothing attractive about that. I guess, one could think it's an attractive idea IF one considers himself to be part of the chosen group.

You know, that scientific idea that it was a small group, I find that goes hand in hand with Noah's family.. Sure they all still had a common ancestor, but the way I understand it, the curse of Cain that was on Ham's wife, Egyptus, and from which the Egyptians sprang, could very easily have modified her DNA enough away from the rest of the Adam and Eve's descendents and provided enough genetic diversity to give the impression of more than a single couple. Also how can you say Creation Ex Nihilo is central to Christianity when the original Hebrew wording means created/organised as in out of pre-existing particles...?

Jesus said that Man and Woman were created at the beginning. That's good enough for me.

You would have a much stronger argument if you could steel man, not straw man your adversaries. Straw manning is the weak apologetic device.

LOL. These men try to sound so erudite and then they assert "Adam and Eve" as being a factual pair of humans. LOL

Sounds like Tim K agrees with genesis as a Christian, but doesn't really believe it. Poor chap.

Using intellect to do a damage limitation job on their embarrassment of a simple Biblical Creation. How many times Tim Keller talks about Justice and Peace in society, to try and intellectually redeem the situation.

Educated beyond their own intelligence, sad.