Gracie Family Champions Explained: Who Were The Best in Jiu-Jitsu?

Gracie Family Champions Explained: Who Were The Best in Jiu-Jitsu? - School Time

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Starting with Carlos Sr., the Gracie family started a tradition of having a family champion that stood as the best they had. Professor Ryan Young details this tradition and history!
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@tntac1 6 жыл бұрын

Renzo deserves at least an honorable mention considering his willingness to fight into his 40's and his representing the art in such a dynamic way.

@KamaJiuJitsu 6 жыл бұрын

+tntac1, watch a future video for Renzo content. It's in the works. I promise!

@yvonnegoins1718 4 жыл бұрын

@@KamaJiuJitsu Unlike Rickson, Renzo didn't hand pick and choose his opponents. He would accept all challenges. True warrior. Anyways? Roger is the best bjj competitor hands down. Not just in the family but BEST IN THE WORLD. 10x Gold winner.

@ThaSilentOne420 3 жыл бұрын

@@yvonnegoins1718 Rodger 😂😂😂 Best Jiujitsu of today is Marcello Garcia FACTS

@tharushafernando6688 3 жыл бұрын

@@yvonnegoins1718 for me best fighter in Gracie family is Renzo. He is pretty open minded and his opponents were much higher caliber

@EP10051 2 жыл бұрын

@@ThaSilentOne420 Gordon Ryan

@ericdcbrown1980 4 жыл бұрын

The first family champion was The Red Cat, George Gracie. This was Helio's big brother. His other brothers who knew jiu jitsu before him were Gastáo jr, Oswaldo and if course his teacher, Carlos.

@jnkoa33 11 ай бұрын

One correction, Chito Gracie taught George. George referred to Chito as, "The Master." By the way, if you believe the above statement, you are an idiot

@briansam2524 Жыл бұрын

Mr. Kama, I just want to say, THANK YOU for sharing the history, when I see your videos, it's like your talking directly at me, I could just listen to you all day!!!!

@813infinityfilms123 6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the history lessons on the Gracie family! God bless you!

@KamaJiuJitsu 6 жыл бұрын

+Jack Aragon, thank you so much. God bless you, as well!

@da1onlynickvicious 5 жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing Your knowledge

@redcapoerista 6 жыл бұрын

I'm late to the party on this one, but got a wild hair and thought I'd look for some history. Love the respect and effort to give honest assessments of what you know. The humility comes through and that's a rare thing. Thank you and keep posting!

@KamaJiuJitsu 6 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the feedback.

@ctb3386 Жыл бұрын

Love your videos!!! I joined Igor school and kicking myself for not going sooner. 47 and the camaraderie, friendship , amount of men who also have kids in the same school - so great. Keep up the vids.

@leepowell85 6 жыл бұрын

I love these videos man!

@ajsena1655 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the history. I can tell you from experience, treat anything Carley Gracie says with a great deal of skepticism.

@tacodaddy4309 4 жыл бұрын

Bro your videos are addicting. Thanks for sharing knowledge

@KamaJiuJitsu 4 жыл бұрын

thank you for watching! share if you can. that would be greatly appreciated!

@duncansutherland47 6 жыл бұрын

Grappling Central did a great pod cast honoring Rolls. Anyone interested in his life and the Gracie family history should check it out.

@TrentWila 6 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the explanation videos...I feel like there's plenty of technique tutorial style channels but your unique for the lecture style of your videos. Breaking down more so the mindset, practical, historical and conceptual aspects of jiujitsu and being a jiujitsu practitioner.

@KamaJiuJitsu 6 жыл бұрын

+Trent wiley, we feel the same way about technique videos. Thank you for the feedback!

@padialjiujitsu 6 жыл бұрын

My grand father was a studant of George Gracie and also a japones who fought helio two times. named yasuichi ono. I know many stories of jiu jitsu in brazil. I am a great admirer and scholar of art.

@KamaJiuJitsu 6 жыл бұрын

+Sandro Padial, very nice!

@HallowTree1031 6 жыл бұрын

I love these educational videos ryan

@KamaJiuJitsu 6 жыл бұрын

+Anthony Walach, thanks, Anthony. We really appreciate your feedback. Helps us determine what direction to go going forward.

@DUARTE99 6 жыл бұрын

Great stuff!

@KamaJiuJitsu 6 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Jeff.

@ThrasherDge 6 жыл бұрын

Mister, you look like a super nice guy, Thanks for the informative videos. I'm new to BJJ (training wise) and I love it!

@KamaJiuJitsu 6 жыл бұрын

thank you, sir!

@davidhannah7691 6 жыл бұрын

Roger Gracie has submitted the highest quality of opponents of ANY Gracie - Jacare Souza, Werdum, Buchecha, Xande, Saulo, Margarida, Comprido, Terere, Marcelo Garcia, Lovato Jr, Drysdale & more!!! That list will SMOKE any other human's list of submission wins!!!

@KamaJiuJitsu 6 жыл бұрын

+David Hannah, maybe he should get back to fighting like his uncles. Gets KO'd by an Oklahoma State wrestler trying to kickbox him? I dunno.vimeo.com/61494916

@antonihardonk2857 6 жыл бұрын

Imho champions can have losses as well.

@KamaJiuJitsu 6 жыл бұрын

and most champions do have losses.

@MrMZaccone 6 жыл бұрын

Keep guessing, It seems to be what you're good at. Not guessing right, mind you, just guessing.

@MrMZaccone 6 жыл бұрын

Being 6'4" and 215 can't hurt there.

@fartsare2023 6 жыл бұрын

I would definitely agree with Roger. He's so good and he tapped Buchecha like he was in a hurry to go get a steak. ( Buchecha being one of my favorites btw ). And he did it with old school Jiujitsu. Nothing fancy or exotic.

@KamaJiuJitsu 6 жыл бұрын

+Paul Daluz, he did. It was beautiful to watch.

@fartsare2023 6 жыл бұрын

Kama Jiu-Jitsu I train at an IBJJF recognized school with recognized IBJJF blackbelts. But we're descendent from Royler ironically. Royler, Luciano, Knox. ( As you earlier mentioned in one of your videos that Royler straddles the line ). But yeah. We talked about that for along time. Roger looked polished that fight.

@michaelcothren5015 6 жыл бұрын

Paul Daluz Roger beat the best of the best. Ten times mundials champion and tapped Bucheca five time open weight champion. Submitted all eight oppenents in ADCC 2005. Would probably do the same to Lo, Rodolfo or Galvao. Jiujitsu wise I do see how he's not the greatest.

@fartsare2023 6 жыл бұрын

Michael Cothren I'm only a blue belt. Been training since 2015. So I'm not that well versed in records. But how does Buchechas record hold up to Roger's.? Overall

@michaelcothren5015 6 жыл бұрын

Paul Daluz both are ten time champion at the world's and ADCC champ. Bucheca probably has more gold medals overall because of other tournaments like the world cup being around. It's hard for Bucheca to claim greatest of all time without having beat Roger.

@FreeLIFEEntertainment Жыл бұрын

My son Matteo "The Cheetah" Santavicca is under Ralph Gracie . Love your channel!

@HerreraCam 6 жыл бұрын

My lineage goes back to Rolls. So Rolls is tops for me! But seriously, thanks for this. Keep up the good work.

@KamaJiuJitsu 6 жыл бұрын

+HerreraCam, thank you. Can't ever go wrong with Rolls are your master!

@Seawolfaka Жыл бұрын

Those old family training videos are classic

@joaoclaudiofontes5438 3 жыл бұрын

George Gracie was the champion ( in vale tudo/mma) before Hélio. My list : George, Hélio, Carlson, Rolls, Rickson, Royce ( for his pioneer role in UFC ) .

@snagglesmagoo2750 6 жыл бұрын

Completely agree about Rickson being the last family champ. I hope eventually the different sides can swallow their pride and get back together. What a family reunion that would be!

@ricardojorgefilho4172 4 жыл бұрын

Highly unlikely the more generations it passes the further family gets.

@jnkoa33 11 ай бұрын

You said swallow

@jameswaddell8882 4 жыл бұрын

What about Royce? He's what really made the jiu-jitsu UFC famous!

@TyroniousRex 5 жыл бұрын

Like or don't like it's all good for me he says. I like that so thumbs up for you!

@joeschmoe9154 6 жыл бұрын

Another Great Video about the historical aspect and lineage of the sport. Unfortunately as generations pass, families become further apart in philosophy and goals. Its just the nature of mankind.

@KamaJiuJitsu 6 жыл бұрын

+Joe schmoe, I agree.

@jims512 3 жыл бұрын

To me Family Champion = Family Ambassador in today's terms. As Kama JJ teaches, Gracie JJ is a self defense art and that message holds primacy and still needs to be spread....ironically INSIDE the Jiu Jitsu world as well as outside. That said, I see Ryron and Rener as the primary voices of that message for the foreseeable future. They deferred on what could've been successful fighting careers in order to spread the art, particularly its self defense efficacy for everyday people.

@39Hundred 6 жыл бұрын

Hey, I JUST subscribed to your channel. I love your videos on the history of the Gracie Family. I was wondering if you can do a video on the “bad boys” of the Gracie Family, Robson Gracie’s wild sons: Renzo, Ralph and Ryan.

@hockysa 4 жыл бұрын

Every day is a good day and some days are better.

@raining69 4 жыл бұрын

I'm fairly new to discovering jiu jitsu, and the Gracie family. A lot of videos hint to family members not getting on. Could you tell me do Rener and Ryron get on with Kron. Does anyone of this generation get along? Thanks

@krtkosilva9288 5 жыл бұрын

Next family champion: Kron Gracie!

@mmaking8664 4 жыл бұрын

Got beat up by Cub Swanson

@josen2791 4 жыл бұрын

Jeremy Stillwell well there is a little difference between mma and bjj

@buffalospringfield9140 4 жыл бұрын

Maybe.

@salski70 4 жыл бұрын

@Jeremy Stillwell lol

@islndaze 3 жыл бұрын

@@mmaking8664 they both got beat up, cub looked just as worst as kron. Went the distance,krons mistake was standing toe to toe with him

@locomoco7141 4 жыл бұрын

dude it's obvious you would choose Rickson....he's your master! Rolls clearly wiped the floor with Rickson.

@KamaJiuJitsu 4 жыл бұрын

Clearly, huh?

@shanenewell8503 6 жыл бұрын

I think Royce gracie deserves a honorable mention, if not for that first ufc i would have never chased down to learn Jiu Jitsu. and Guys have we forgotten about Kron Ricksons Son.. Man Krons jiu jitsu is special. a quick shoot out to the documentary CHOKE.. amazing stuff. Great videos you guys are putting together at Kama Jiu Jitsu. I hate the politics of jiu jitsu but the stories are damn cool.. keep up the great work..

@ltrane81 4 жыл бұрын

Cub beating Kron big strike against him

@carson3811 Жыл бұрын

Do the history on catch wrestling Billy Robinson Karl gotch who taught sakuraba catch wrestling.. and the catch wrestler that beat one of the Gracie's.. so they attacked him jumped him with a weapon

@jiujitsubrasilenoydefensap5162 6 жыл бұрын

Ryan Thanks for sharing. I wanted to mention. Rener and Roger have not trained togeather. Rener mentions it in the metamoris Roger vs Buchecha match. Kron Rener and Ryron do train togeather from time to time.

@KamaJiuJitsu 6 жыл бұрын

+JiuJitsu Brasileño Y Defensa Personal SNG, thank you. I know they haven't trained. It was just someone saying Roger is the best ever based on him winning championships. But many say Ryron can also be considered the best. My question was, have Ryron and Roger ever fought for the family championship behind closed doors to determine who's better (no). They are about the same age and the same size. Hard to know who "the best" is without two of the top of their generation coming together to train, no? Just because someone beat someone means nothing. Styles match. In jiu-jitsu, just because A beats B, and B beats C, doesn't mean A beats C, is all I'm saying. Whereas in the old days, it was easy for Carlos, Sr and Helio to determine who the family champion was. It's impossible today.

@jiujitsubrasilenoydefensap5162 6 жыл бұрын

Kama Jiu-Jitsu Ryan, thanks for your videos and sharing your knowledge with us.

@KamaJiuJitsu 6 жыл бұрын

+JiuJitsu Brasileño Y Defensa Personal SNG, my pleasure!

@micahbodha6129 Жыл бұрын

In Rickson's book 'Breathe' he said the first time he beat Rolls they both knew Rickson was now the best,but they never spoke of it again

@KamaJiuJitsu Жыл бұрын

That’s because there was no need to.

@Monsterman0511 4 жыл бұрын

I'd say Renzo is still in the conversation. Even though he is a bit older.

@marcelofonseca3271 6 жыл бұрын

Very good video! I totally agree with you, the expression "Family champion" applies correctly for the fighters mentioned. But it is worth mentioning that Royler, for a period of time (not short!) was the only Gracie competing. Also, Royler "crossed" generations of fighters (adversaries) being champion of his division, that is unprecedented. To be specific, Royler fought with early Carlson Gracie students like Cassio Cardozo and Peixotinho, then with De La Riva, to the point he fought with Amaury Biteti (I could go on with Abu Dabi - ADCC). Royler not only is a one of most technical fighters in the family, but he is also one of the most competitive. Regards from Brazil.

@KamaJiuJitsu 6 жыл бұрын

+Marcelo Maciel da Fonseca, thank you for this! Have a great weekend!

@hermanmelville3871 2 жыл бұрын

Spent most of my time in BJJ in the Rickson and Rolls lineages. Never have to worry about my belts.

@jamesearlcash7725 5 жыл бұрын

I love these videos 👍 Do you know of any self defense oriented schools in Houston that have a lineage tracing back to Rickson Gracie?

@KamaJiuJitsu 5 жыл бұрын

Leo Xavier

@jamesearlcash7725 5 жыл бұрын

Kama Jiu-Jitsu thank you so much! I appreciate your advice, i looked him up and I’m very impressed. I’m excited and nervous to get started.

@natesnathan1 6 жыл бұрын

George was the man. he fought everyone in his time and was even willing to fight Helio. he trained Lutra Livre and explored other styles long before Rolls, his down fall was partying :)

@KamaJiuJitsu 6 жыл бұрын

+Nate Stone, George shoulda stayed outa Forney...

@natesnathan1 6 жыл бұрын

Kama Jiu-Jitsu haha

@mafia3941 5 жыл бұрын

Carlson once said .... Hélio used to bring rickson to train at the carlson Gracie academy . Rickson used to get tapped by rosado and by rolls all the tine . Hélio used to be very upset .

@mafia3941 5 жыл бұрын

alex Velasquez of course cause rickson never compete and trained at the carlson Gracie academy anymore Hahahha

@mafia3941 5 жыл бұрын

alex Velasquez how many times carlson said.... I put Liborio against rickson and rickson can start on the month position 😂😂😂

@KamaJiuJitsu 5 жыл бұрын

i guess you never saw this. Rickson was well into his 40's when this article was written. all you Rickson haters like to point out stuff when Rickson was in his teens. How about one when he was "over the hill?" www.mixedmartialarts.com/forums/UnderGround/Paulo-Filho-comment-on-Rickson:1357595

@bjjdad4 6 жыл бұрын

I have much respect for Rickson, but if you TRULY interview many of the Old-School Gracies and their practitioners, they say Rolls was the best and yes, Rickson was catching up, he never surpassed Rolls. Of course Rickson will say he beat Rolls, but even Helio has said Rickson has always embellished his wins--and we know Helio thought his sons were "invincible"! Looking at the video, it is obvious Rickson is at LEAST in his 20s, and considering how good everyone says he was (which is truth), the video shows just how good Rolls was because he was superior in every aspect during the match. Roger is obviously the family champion, and he is very "old-school" in his technique, but you want to include Rorion's children just to keep Helio's line going and not give credit to someone in Carlos' lineage being the champion again. Yes, more Gracies "fought" real fights, but they did tournaments as well, and Rolls, Rickson, Royler and Relson dominated that scene. Rorion's sons did tournaments as well early on, and they were very successful, but not nearly as successful as Roger. Give credit where credit is due, and don't disparage Carlos' line because you favor Helio.

@KamaJiuJitsu 6 жыл бұрын

+Sonny Mercado, lol. Okaaay. I know you were there for all that, so you're right. When did Ryron and Roger train? What does tournament success have to do with anything? Oh, wait... never mind.

@duncansutherland47 6 жыл бұрын

Sonny Mercado....in the video you are referencing Rickson is in his late teens. Rolls was still well ahead of him. It makes sense that he caught up, however. All of what is mentioned here can't be proved and is purely speculation on both sides of the debate. We do have ample evidence of Rickson's prowess in and out of the ring. Rolls apparently recommended to Helio that Rickson fight Zulu. It does "appear" that the torch was being passed. They all loved Rolls and respected him immensely. There are intense loyalties that come into play with regards to this topic now. Rolls was a uniting energy in the Gracie family that is fractured in some ways. This question will never be fully answered. There is a great pod cast that is on Grappling Central that honors Rolls by some of the Gracie family members (on both sides) and a few of the famous five black belts He created.

@phuckfumassters Жыл бұрын

The video your referencing Rickson was a teenager maybe 16 or 17 and Rolls was 23 or 24. That's a huge difference in physical prowess at that age range. It's not a fair assessment of Rickson until he is 21 to have him go against a 27 or 28 yrs old Rolls. That would be more fair of Rickson since he would be an adult at that point.

@philybates 6 жыл бұрын

In my opinion Royler of all the other members deserves to be recognized. Not only for his own accomplishments but for also building Gracie Humaita to produce many other champions up until this day

@KamaJiuJitsu 6 жыл бұрын

+philybates, Royer is definitely up there. But he's not in the same league as the others, in this discussion. He is a champion, but by no means was he the "family champion." There can only be one at a time, and during Master Royler's prime, Rickson was it.

@duncansutherland47 6 жыл бұрын

philybates Royler is also a great person!

@cabalofdemons 6 жыл бұрын

Royler is an awesome fighter and in my top 10 list of best grapplers. However, he was not in the same league as Rickson.

@davidthomas7834 4 жыл бұрын

@@cabalofdemons do you you consider wrestlers in that top ten of grapplers, like say jordan burroughs? I think that's a fair question

@davidthomas7834 4 жыл бұрын

Sorry I know I'm so late to the party

@HUCY1709 4 жыл бұрын

In this video you say that Rolls wanted to fight Rei Zulu but in other video where you talk about Rolls you said that Rolls told Helio to let Rickson fight Zulu. Which one is it?

@terrylee5384 2 жыл бұрын

Will Rickson be teaching any seminars at your school any time?

@KamaJiuJitsu 2 жыл бұрын

Nothing is planned at any of our studios at the moment.

@MrMZaccone 6 жыл бұрын

I've seen pictures of Rolls and Rickson together where Rolls looks quite a bit bigger. 5'7"? 155#? I find that hard to believe.

@KamaJiuJitsu 6 жыл бұрын

Those were when Rickson was a teenager.

@MrMZaccone 6 жыл бұрын

How old? Most boys stop growing in height by the age of 16 or so.

@KamaJiuJitsu 6 жыл бұрын

I think the famous video of them training, Rickson was around 17.

@MrMZaccone 6 жыл бұрын

Taking that as fact for the moment, which of the two appears larger to you in that video? I have my own opinion but will hold it aside until I hear yours.

@Not-you-again Жыл бұрын

Rickson is the GOAT!

@jsvboston 5 жыл бұрын

why no mention of kron?

@skooterbob 2 жыл бұрын

Is there more info on Carley Gracie?

@oliverjordan695 6 жыл бұрын

Great video ryan. Like the energy and style. One question tho. Why did u leacw out royce?:-)

@KamaJiuJitsu 6 жыл бұрын

+Oliver Jordan thanks for the feedback, Oliver! The reason why Master Royce was left out was because despite his martial arts success and success representing the Gracie Family, Master Royce was never the family "champion." That role went exclusively to GM Rickson.

@oliverjordan695 6 жыл бұрын

I understand. So u can be a champion of the world but not the family's champion. :-)

@KamaJiuJitsu 6 жыл бұрын

+Oliver Jordan I guess if the UFC champ is the champion of the world? What happens if he can't beat his own brother?

@oliverjordan695 6 жыл бұрын

I agree. Still. He was represented as a gracie representative. Pretty close to champ. I was suprised why not rickson. As i know and u surely know much more.. rickson was too strong and had a bad ufc agreement with rorion.

@KamaJiuJitsu 6 жыл бұрын

+Oliver Jordan I think the initial plan was to save Rickson for in case Royce lost.

@maitrekano 4 жыл бұрын

What about the judoka Kimura ? Worth mentioning .

@KamaJiuJitsu 4 жыл бұрын

he was said to be the best judoka ever.

@oliverjordan695 6 жыл бұрын

Looking forward to rolls -rickson video. Cheers

@buffalospringfield9140 4 жыл бұрын

No exist! But there is some takes super 8 homemade.

@GracieTurts 6 жыл бұрын

I think Roger would be the family champion if there was a title. Not to mention he came from the Rolls lineage. I wonder who the oldest living son of Carlos Gracie Sr. is. Unofficial patriarch?

@KamaJiuJitsu 6 жыл бұрын

+Daniel Y Chow, Robson.

@JAKOB1977 2 жыл бұрын

Great walkthrue. +1 Rorian Gracie in his prime with that big mustache.. looked bad-azz. Im not on their level.. I got mostly brownbelts.. some are made of cotton, but most of mine are leather.

@laszlobokor6108 5 жыл бұрын

Kama Jiu-Jitsu im sorry for the stupid question but i would like to know which line im on... i had my first lesson a week ago and on my professors gi is written Carlson Gracie.. so that means im on Carlos Gracies line and not Helios... ? so that means if i continue to learn i will concentrate more for competitons? on one of your videos u said Helio style is concentrating on theself defense... . my goal to learn more self defense .. i dont want to compete . Is this style the right for me ? im sorry for this stupid question but im really confused!

@KamaJiuJitsu 5 жыл бұрын

More than likely, you’re at a competition-focused school.

@laszlobokor6108 5 жыл бұрын

ahaaa ok! and i just remember that he got his black belt from Marcelo Alonso...

@PITBOY911 5 жыл бұрын

Sorry but Royce should be included. And also in pure bjj, ibjjf the top dog is Roger and should be mentioned.

@KamaJiuJitsu 5 жыл бұрын

No on Royce.

@PITBOY911 5 жыл бұрын

@@KamaJiuJitsu He was the family champion in the USA by the UFC, you like it or not, it was like that and the people believe he was, even if he was the worst of all the Gracies.

@KamaJiuJitsu 5 жыл бұрын

i knew/trained with all of them AT THE TIME. no way, Royce was ever the "family champion." Royce was put into the UFC because Rorion was "saving" Rickson, should Royce have lost in the inaugural event. Black Belt Magazine came out in an interview and asked him about what it was like being the "family champion." Royce said (and i'm paraphrasing here), "i'm not the family champion. my brother Rickson plays with me." as great as Royce is/was, absolutely no one in the Gracie family thought him to be even "a" family champion let alone "the" family champion.

@KamaJiuJitsu 5 жыл бұрын

and never did Royce ever claim to be a family champion.

@ricardojorgefilho4172 4 жыл бұрын

What about Royce?!!!! I'm pretty sure he was the family champion for a while.

@KamaJiuJitsu 4 жыл бұрын

not even for a minute. but i love Royce. he was one of my professors while i was at the Gracie Academy from '92-'93.

@JuanLopez-bk3dw 5 жыл бұрын

Im confuse in one of your other videos you said helio wanted rolls to fight Zulu but rolls said rickson should do it.

@KamaJiuJitsu 5 жыл бұрын

IIRC, GM Relson said that in an interview. I think...

@mafia3941 5 жыл бұрын

Juan Lopez rolls said to Zulu ..... if you beat rickson then I will fight you !!!

@cabalofdemons 6 жыл бұрын

Rolls was the best BJJ practitioner just based on the stories told by those close to him. Carlson and Rolls are brothers so I don't see the former criticize him, especially since they are family. I do agree that Rickson became the family champ after Rolls died, but Relson was tough as well.

@KamaJiuJitsu 6 жыл бұрын

he was the family champ WHEN Rolls passed, not after Rolls passed.

@cabalofdemons 6 жыл бұрын

You're right. Rickson beat Zulu the first time in 1980. He became the family champ at 21.

@KamaJiuJitsu 6 жыл бұрын

which would have made Rolls about age 28. hardly an age that would have made Rolls "past his prime" and of an age to "pass the torch" to Rickson. Looks to me, like Rickson "took" the title away. Doesn't diminish Rolls' abilities one bit; just goes to show how talented Rickson was at such a young age.

@cabalofdemons 6 жыл бұрын

True that and he was surpassing Rolls shortly before his death in 1982.

@itsjustdmarie5926 3 жыл бұрын

Roll was raised by Helio due to his wife not being able to bare children. Then here comes Rickson. Helio started to favor his first Rickson while Rolls kept trying to be excepted wing as though he was the illegitimate son of Carlos. Being a student of Gracie Jujitsu under Royce and Ronnie the history is something that is talked about. Good video! Well done 👍🏾

@KamaJiuJitsu 3 жыл бұрын

Rolls was raised by Helio because Carlos Sr’s (2nd) wife didn’t want to raise a son who wasn’t hers (supposedly). Since Margarida was not able to have children herself, she was happy to entertain Helio’s idea of adopting and raising Rolls. The son (Helio’s “natural born”) Helio was purported to favor over Rolls was not Rickson (who is several years younger), but RORION (who is the son of Helio and Belinda), who was also raised by Margarida.

@itsjustdmarie5926 3 жыл бұрын

@@KamaJiuJitsu yes. U are absolutely correct.

@beeyakaitolo 6 жыл бұрын

I disagree - George was the 1st Champion. He was putting the Gracie name out there long before Helio did. His Techniques were by far more refined than that of Helio and Carlos because he tested it in Vale Tudo (Not to mention George's students would beat Helio's students in fights - Most famously Nahum Rabay beating the heavy favourite - a much bigger & more experienced Guanair Vial who would later leave Helio's camp to join George's camp and be known as the one of the 1st, if not the 1st case of "creontagem" known to the Jiujitsu world). When Carlos was teaching the brothers Jiujitsu, Oswaldo and George were two of the standouts at the First Gracie Academy. George never cared for Carlos's goals for Jiujitsu and lifestyle such as the "Gracie Diet' which strained his relationship with Carlos which Carlos was very vocal about. In reply to one of Carlos's public criticism about him, George said: “My brother Carlos is nothing when it comes to fighting. Carlos does not have the authority nor the competence to speak about Jiu Jitsu… Who created the sporting tradition of my family if not me, in all honesty, with my career?” Carlos and Helio would have never admitted it at that time given their strained relationship that their brother, George was by far more technical than they were as they passed on every challenged issued to fight George stating publicly that George wasn't a representative of the Gracie Family and forbidding George to use the "Gracie" name when he decided to open an academy later in Rio and charging alot less than what Helio was charging at his academy.

@KamaJiuJitsu 6 жыл бұрын

+RXN NRK. 👍

@alanguages 6 жыл бұрын

RXN NRK I agree George was the toughest and the champion among the family and brothers.I still feel the idea of George fighting his brothers though should never happen, as I am positive whoever was the promoter was pure scum in trying to get family members to fight against one another. Carlos came out with nice ideas, but he did not seem to be the fighter of the family. His diet is pretty nice though. George was considered open minded about using other arts also. I have talked to people who are GJJ enthusiasts and man, do they ever think if anything is outside of Helio's teachings, then it is blasphemy. Somewhat cultish really.

@KamaJiuJitsu 6 жыл бұрын

Carlos definitely fought, but once it got to where his brothers could fight, he likely decided he'd had enough. we all reach that point, some earlier than others. From the stories i've (Ryan) heard about george, i tend to not think much of george as a person, although during his time, he was undoubtedly a great fighter. then again, maybe Carlos, Sr's personality pushed George away. but when you think about it, among any family with numerous family members like the Gracies, it's not uncommon for one family member to harbor jealousy for another family member's achievements and work to undermine that family member through various means. the "cultish" behavior happens on both sides, but actual animosity does seem to flow more from Carlos, Sr's side to Helio's side vs Helio's side to Carlos, Sr's side, imho.

@denzel7822 4 жыл бұрын

Was carlson considered a traitor to the family?? A video on him would be great! Love your stuff man❤

@KamaJiuJitsu 4 жыл бұрын

We did one better. We got an actual Carlson Sr BB to tell you. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ra6incupsbSuoqc.html

@denzel7822 4 жыл бұрын

@@KamaJiuJitsu very good video. But he doesn't talk about carlsons relationship with other gracies

@KamaJiuJitsu 4 жыл бұрын

He said it was all good.

@albertgallanosa8600 6 жыл бұрын

in Vale Tudo MMA. Gracie Bloodline : Ralph -Renzo. Jean-~Jacque and Royler in Mundials and ADCC........... non-Gracies : Carlson Gracie and his original Brazilian Top Team with. Mario Sperry and Walid Ismael and now Cesar Gracie has the best Vale Tudo MMA fight camp out of any Gracie Academy. is Roger Gracie a considered a champion of the family ?

@bwkid1 4 жыл бұрын

After all the videos of seen about the Gracie's, the only thing that really sticks out about them is not that they are great BJJ fighter's and trainer's. It's that they are a family that is all about Ego's. They seem to disregard any and all other art's, but also disregard eachother. Whichever Gracie is talking, will tell you they are the best, and they know more than anyone else.

@oliverjordan695 6 жыл бұрын

Is it possible to name gracie champ and have an agreement among 200 gracie family members? Should it matter? Ryan said not. I listen to you dave taufer rickson kron and i agree humbly that bjj is a fine tool for many things.. angles and pressure distribution videos. Thank you very much for every bit of information. Still. U can learn what mj did. U have to sweat the mat. Or put in hours...i have last question for me. Can u learn jj with basketball knees?

@KamaJiuJitsu 6 жыл бұрын

+Oliver Jordan I (Ryan) believe you can. We all have our issues. Just do what feels ok, and avoid what doesn't. You're learning to improve yourself, not because you seek to fight vale tudo. Anyone can do jiu-jitsu!

@yip2454 5 жыл бұрын

Im like 135lbs hahaha which Gracie would you recommend me to watch / study? Given my small size

@KamaJiuJitsu 5 жыл бұрын

Rickson

@yip2454 5 жыл бұрын

@@KamaJiuJitsu thanks!

@KamaJiuJitsu 5 жыл бұрын

Ask Eddie whom he thinks is the GOAT. Oh, wait. Just watch him get all giddy on Joe Rogan when Rickson was there.

@K1NETIX1983 5 жыл бұрын

Kron is clearly the best current Gracie, not close, particularly when taking into account weight.

@user-ev6vw5dm2b 4 жыл бұрын

James Roberts Rener gracie trained brian ortega and brian ortega beat cub Swanson, and cub destroyed kron gracie

@ericdcbrown1980 4 жыл бұрын

Roger.

@unkownboi67is_unavailable62 2 жыл бұрын

@@user-ev6vw5dm2b dumbest math ive heard

@unkownboi67is_unavailable62 2 жыл бұрын

No Roger is, hes not only the greatest gracie competitor of all time but in general hes highly regarded as the Goat in terms of competition.

@user-ev6vw5dm2b 2 жыл бұрын

@@unkownboi67is_unavailable62 kron is such a flop

@perfectsplit5515 Жыл бұрын

Did Rolls Gracie invent the Open Guard position?

@KamaJiuJitsu Жыл бұрын

@EP10051 2 жыл бұрын

Renzo deserves a notable mention

@padialjiujitsu 6 жыл бұрын

Carley Gracie was very good, the best to take the Carlson's place. But he had a fight in the ranch againt Helio. And he punch Helio Gracie and mont him, after that Carley left Brazil. But he was the one at the time. Around 85 kilos and very strong

@KamaJiuJitsu 6 жыл бұрын

+Sandro Padial, yep, I heard about that. Left Brazil as part of a deal his father arranged to keep him out of jail due to threatening a judge?

@padialjiujitsu 6 жыл бұрын

The history I know, is that Carley Gracie. used to teach the US marines in Rio de Janeiro. and the US goverment call him to go to US to teach. About the fight he had with GM Helio Gracie. It was because of Rorion.

@padialjiujitsu 6 жыл бұрын

Helio said, pretend that I'm not your Uncle ... and slapped Carley in the face. Carley reacted against GM Helio Gracie. He pull Helio on the ground, mounted and punched him in the eye. After that, Helio spoke with Carley, Helio said, that he had fought with a Bull... But this event ended up with the chances of Carley replacement Carlson in the family. no long after that Carley went to USA

@KamaJiuJitsu 6 жыл бұрын

+Sandro Padial, Rodrigo told me this story a while back, as well.

@alvaricoque 4 жыл бұрын

Roger Gracie is a world champion and he does MMA

@dswynne 6 жыл бұрын

All I know is that there are at least 200 Gracies family members who practice BJJ. Damn.

@KamaJiuJitsu 6 жыл бұрын

+DSWynne, incredible, right?!

@yvonnegoins1718 5 жыл бұрын

Roger is the G.O.A.T

@salski70 5 жыл бұрын

rickson learned his aggressive style from rolls... rolls took him under his wing and tutored him.

@buffalospringfield9140 4 жыл бұрын

How do you know that detail? Are u a brazilian?

@salski70 4 жыл бұрын

@@buffalospringfield9140 no but ive trained with several Gracies and the Machado brothers and Rolls is widely accepted as the best Gracie fighter up until his death. he taught Rickson his own aggressive style of fighting because they trained together more so than any of the other brothers. Rolls learned wrestling and judo and incorporated it into his personal style of jiu jitsu and thats why he and Rickson were the best.

@buffalospringfield9140 4 жыл бұрын

@@salski70 Congratulations! You`re very dedicated in your research. Rolls was a open mind, but imprudently lost his life. Nowadays Roger the Gracie`s champion and Kron maybe keep the tradition. Maybe!

@buffalospringfield9140 4 жыл бұрын

Nowadays in order is: 5º) position is Rafael Mendes with 63,4% win by submition; 4º) Rodolfo Vieira with 64,9% win by submittion; 3º) Marcelo Garcia 65,1%; 2º) Nicholas Meregali 79,1% and finally Roger gracie 81,6%. Kron has a hard work ahead!

@salski70 4 жыл бұрын

@@buffalospringfield9140 not all of these guys fight in mma. marcelo doesn't do mma only JJ. the other guys only do jj also. roger and kron fight mma. kron will never be as good as his father.

@Agencyfox 4 жыл бұрын

A lot of misunderstandings , Rolls was a master for Rickson for a long period, you cannot compare ...who was the best, they're not enemies

@KamaJiuJitsu 4 жыл бұрын

No, he wasn’t.

@sabakimsg 6 жыл бұрын

I think there was a 10 year difference in age between Rickson and Rolls. I think Rolls was born in 1950 and Rickson was born in 1960. I have to check. I do think there was also a size difference. In the documentary video produced by Renzo, there is footage of Rickson and Rolls sparring. The date of the footage is 1976. Rolls appeared to be bigger than Rickson. But as Rickson mature I think he was bigger than Rolls by at least 20 lbs. I don't think Rolls was as small as 145 lbs. In Relia's book, she described Rolls as weighing about 160 give or take 5 lbs. Rickson weighed about 180 lb as he matured. Rickson stated on the Joe Rogan show that he submitted Rolls once. He said it was a turning point in his life and in his relationship with Rolls. He said, Rolls sort of passed the torch/baton to Rickson.

@KamaJiuJitsu 6 жыл бұрын

+sabakimsg, another Gracie history student! Thanks!

@duncansutherland47 6 жыл бұрын

sabakimsg I believe you are correct. I am sure in the video referenced with Rickson and Rolls sparring Rickson is more like sixteen and doing his best to hold his own against the well seasoned family champion. In the interview with Rogan Rickson said he got better and more mature as a fighter over time and the tables turned. There is a great pod cast honoring Rolls's life that includes some of his black belts and family members. In that pod cast Royler said Rolls was offered to fight Zulu but said it should be Rickson to do it. He told Helio to have Rickson do it. At the time Rolls had a tremendous influence on both sides of the family. He was the champion and he was the uniter of the clan. Things changed after he died.

@cabalofdemons 6 жыл бұрын

Rolls was born in 1951 and Rickson in 1958, it was a 7 year difference.

@ezequiel715 6 жыл бұрын

We can not forget that Rickson's jiu jitsu improved dramatically just because he was training with Rolls, who was a really good master. Rolls implemented a lot of different things into jiu jitsu, and taught it to Rickson. For that reason, I think Rolls was the best, he was way ahead of his time. Plus, Rickson had a phisical advantage as well.

@duncansutherland47 6 жыл бұрын

Ezequiel Lima that's not entirely true. Rickson said he never altered his Jiu-Jitsu because of other art's. He did other arts to learn how to adapt what he already knew to defeat them. He didn't add other martial art's to his arsenal. His Jiu-Jitsu is all Helio Gracie. For example if when he fought in a Sambo competition he was doing Jiu-Jitsu but adapted it for the rules required for that art in that environment. In interviews he also gives credit to his brother Rorion who is a very gifted teacher as well. He wasn't a family champion, however. His talents apparently are in disseminating the important details of the Jiu-Jitsu he learned from his father. In every interview I have heard where this question was asked that is the response "Rickson" has given and not what others have speculated.

@goldfish8196 2 жыл бұрын

How about Relson? "The Champion"

@wingoreviewsboxingandmma3667 6 жыл бұрын

Rolls is the greatest Gracie of all. Rickson is number 2.

@KamaJiuJitsu 6 жыл бұрын

+BlackBeltValeTudo, we can all disagree.

@alanguages 6 жыл бұрын

BlackBeltValeTudo I train BJJ under Rickson's line, but in my opinion Rolls is the greatest. My school don't think much of Royce though. I say 1) Rolls, 2) George and 3) Carlson Sr., 4) Rickson and finally 5) Renzo Others in my school think differently also. Some think Rickson as number one and some not.

@MrMZaccone 6 жыл бұрын

Hard to be the greatest when you died at 31 and so much has happened since. Part of being the greatest is sticking around long enough to share that greatness. Whatever Rolls was has certainly been surpassed by others at this point.

@phuckfumassters Жыл бұрын

@@MrMZaccone this is basically the truth. You can't really be the best if you didn't live long enough. The most talented sure, the most gifted, maybe. But to be the best you also need to have longevity. Rolls seems to me to be more of a Len Bias type figure while Rickson became like a Michael Jordan.

@smokeyliver5736 4 жыл бұрын

Rolls the Best ever

@buffalospringfield9140 4 жыл бұрын

I think so!

@jimmyalderson1639 6 жыл бұрын

Funny how if a ref decides a gracie loses they say 'well that doesn't really count as a loss' (which i do completely agree with) But if a ref says they win then everyone's like 'oh yeah [insert name] Gracie destroyed [insert name]'

@rogeriannavarro5640 5 жыл бұрын

I guess Roger Gracie is the next to Ricson Gracie for the third generation. For the next generation still TBA.

@Rhythmicbodywork 3 жыл бұрын

No Relson ?

@KamaJiuJitsu 3 жыл бұрын

You ask, you receive. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ebyZgdad1LPPpZ8.html

@pedroboschibrasil 2 жыл бұрын

Roger is to me the best. Not because of just technique, but his size, he would probably be able to beat the others

@oneguy7202 6 жыл бұрын

Geogre gracie could easy beat helio and this could happenx if carlos dont opposed in this idea. Geoge (10dan red belt) trained in gjj and catch wrestling with dudu(famous catch wrestler who helped in creation of luta livre and vale tudo) also he just traveled around brazil amd participated in nhb matches and was the most successful gracie in vale tudo in 1930 decade. The one no gracie who could beat them all is mitsuyo maeda

@Seawolfaka Жыл бұрын

600 divided by 12 years is 50 matches a year. That’s feasible. But did he actually have a fight every week for 12 years? And not in house dojo training. Real public fights

@kristofferlordfernandez1360 5 жыл бұрын

Namaymayat nu awan barbas mo mas naub ubing ka

@discoversecuritysurveillan9722 6 жыл бұрын

I always thought Rolls TAUGHT Rickson most everything he knows

@KamaJiuJitsu 6 жыл бұрын

+Discover Security & Surveillance, some, for sure. Doesn't make Rolls better, at the end of the day, does it?

@discoversecuritysurveillan9722 6 жыл бұрын

no no, i wasn't implying that, as there's been many cases of the student ending up better than the teacher. Just a thought after watching the vid.

@KamaJiuJitsu 6 жыл бұрын

+Discover Security & Surveillance, glad I got the wheels in your head turning. Mine never stops. Irritating, sometimes!

@AnonUser1977 6 жыл бұрын

What about Royce?

@KamaJiuJitsu 6 жыл бұрын

+TageSavage, great guy. Great fighter. Great teacher. Great ambassador. NOT the family champ at any point.

@AnonUser1977 6 жыл бұрын

Kama Jiu-Jitsu Even after winning 3 UFC titles?

@KamaJiuJitsu 6 жыл бұрын

all of us who trained with both (at the time) knew who the family champ was, while Royce was in the UFC. what actually launched Rickson into the spotlight was a magazine interview Royce did right after UFC 1 where he was asked (something to the effect) how it felt to be the family champion representing the Gracie family? he said (and i'm paraphrasing here), "i'm not the family champion. my brother Rickson plays with me."

@mafia3941 5 жыл бұрын

The reason Waldemar wanted to fight Hélio was because Waldemar was doing ( fake fights ) like WEE shit . Hélio kicked him out and then Waldemar challenger Hélio . Plus the was an incident involving Santana leaving some water running and the mats got wet and Hélio got mad at him . Carlson fought Santana 7 times and won the most .

@Combatinho 6 жыл бұрын

If you are considering Roger Gomez than you have to consider Rigan Machado. Rigan was coming up and they knew eventually he could beat Rickson; so he fought Rigan early. Fast forward a few years and I guarantee Rigan wins.

@KamaJiuJitsu 6 жыл бұрын

Roger Gomez? Aaanyway, no way Rigan beats Rickson even later. It’s not as if Rickson was at his peak in his mid-20s. Rigan was always awesome. But he was never Rickson awesome.

@Combatinho 5 жыл бұрын

I do not agree. I have felt the pressure that Rigan can exert with little effort. His size is a huge factor also. He was more like Rolls than anyone else in the family tree. He trained wrestling with my friend and olympic coach Bob Anderson just like Rolls and expanded his grappling outside of the family. I would love to see who the family champion is now and I know it is not Rickson. The family only honors this because of his past, not present, abilities.

@KamaJiuJitsu 5 жыл бұрын

Rigan was badass, but pound for pound, many contend he wasn’t even the best among his brothers (that title would go to JJM). Believe what you want, but if you took all the family champions and made them 30 yrs old at the same time, the absolute best would be Rickson by a mile, followed by Roger. Rigan would likely place after Ryron and Rener. BUT, all the younger ones benefitted from the achievements of the older ones, so if you put it based on that criteria, it’ll likely be Rolls. Or Carlson, Sr.

@Combatinho 3 жыл бұрын

@@KamaJiuJitsu Sorry Gomes.

@Combatinho 3 жыл бұрын

@@KamaJiuJitsu JJM can't beat Rigan. I have trained with both. Have you? I also have trained with Rener and Ryron no way in he'll they beat Rigan. Look at Josh Barnett against Ryron. Ryron struggles with size. I would put Rolles, Roger / Rigan, Rickson, then whoever.

@joebeast15 4 жыл бұрын

Where does Relson fit into this? If you talk to Relson he would say that he would wreck Rickson. I mean that was his little brother, I would think he would say that. I’ve heard Relson say this PERSONALLY, I’m a Relson student and got my black belt from Relson. I train with Relson a couple of times a year so I do see him fairly regularly

@KamaJiuJitsu 4 жыл бұрын

There is absolutely no way you heard Relson say he would wreck RICKSON. I used to go out with him every Friday night after class and we would talk and get drunk together. I also was at his house at least once, sometimes twice, a week when I was training with him. He’s the one who told me straight up that RICKSON was the family champ. He did say that if he were not as much interested in having a fun life he might have been the family champ. He said they competed in the same weight category. He said at the end of the day, he would take the weight class trophy, and RICKSON will take the absolute trophy. What might that say about who the real champion is? Don’t get me wrong, he is as bad ass as they get. But he and RICKSON? Very different animals.

@KamaJiuJitsu 4 жыл бұрын

There's also a story GM Relson can tell you (the next time you see him) about when he found out that Chuck Norris told the world that Master Rigan Machado was the Gracie Family champion (and not GM Rickson)

@KamaJiuJitsu 4 жыл бұрын

what's your name, btw, and where do you teach?

@joebeast15 4 жыл бұрын

Kama Jiu-Jitsu it’s possible I misheard him, it was in a room full of people in a seminar setting. I’m in Maryland, I was promoted to black belt last November by Relson. Tested with him and everything. Just found your channel and subscribed, it’s very interesting and I’ve had a good time listening to these lessons.

@KamaJiuJitsu 4 жыл бұрын

I have a student here in Dallas that might have come from your school.

@ezequiel715 6 жыл бұрын

After Rickson, the obvious champion would be Roger Gracie!

@KamaJiuJitsu 6 жыл бұрын

+Ezequiel Lima, not Rolls?

@ezequiel715 6 жыл бұрын

Rolls comes before Rickson - Helio - Carlson - Rolls > Rickson > (Roger - If you consider only jiu jitsu). I think Roger held the torch of the best jiu jitsu practitioner of the family in the last 15 years I guess. I dont know, maybe not! hehe

@KamaJiuJitsu 6 жыл бұрын

+Ezequiel Lima, Ryron? Rener?

@ezequiel715 6 жыл бұрын

Are they 10 times world champion? Rener never fought a real fight in his entire life if Im not mistaken, he is not a tough guy compared to his relatives, not even close! He just happens to have learnt jiu jitsu from a really good source since young age.

@KamaJiuJitsu 6 жыл бұрын

what does competition have to do with anything? i could never understand why so many from the new school think so much of someone's competition record? well, i guess i can see it. i guess it's the term "world champion" that gets me. given how thick the rulebook is these days (can't slam, can't neck crank, can't reap in a footlock, etc, etc), i can't see how today's jiu-jitsu resembles yesterday's jiu-jitsu in any way. yes, i know Rickson followed Rolls. my question was, if Rickson was the best champion of all time, who is the next best? i didn't mean next in chronological order. if chronological, Roger would definitely be a contender for that title... if IBJJF contests are the sole criteria for consideration.

@jasmosanew6146 5 жыл бұрын

1932 (5:17)

@powerpunch2 6 ай бұрын

Roger Gracie beat the all the top bjj practitioners and fought UFC and One FC. Best of all time

@KamaJiuJitsu 6 ай бұрын

Certainly the best BJJ champion of HIS time. I only saw one UFC fight with him. His fight with King Mo…

@MDMOTP 11 ай бұрын

Rickson had passed Rolls by the time Rixson was 16-17. Rickson always bowed out to Rolls. He hid the fact that he could beat him.

@Aimopotis 6 жыл бұрын

Roger is better since now BJJ is so much wide spread and there is much more competition

@ricardojorgefilho4172 4 жыл бұрын

You have a point. Competition has gotten better.

@evergonzalez6350 Жыл бұрын

If there weren’t anymore champions then why did Royce represent the family in the UFC?

@KamaJiuJitsu Жыл бұрын

Because Rorion was saving RICKSON in case Royce didn’t do as expected.

@evergonzalez6350 Жыл бұрын

@@KamaJiuJitsu makes perfect sense. We will keep wondering how Rickson would’ve shaped BJJ/GJJ and the UFC. Thank you

@KamaJiuJitsu Жыл бұрын

I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t have fought with the rule changes that came in once they (UFC) began to bend to the rules of the state boxing commissions.

@petermelb123 3 жыл бұрын

What this video doesn't mention about helio gracie was that he ambushed a fighter that he lost to with others by tieing the victim up then breaking he's bones so badly it he(the victim) needed career ending surgery which left the victim crippled . Unfortunately this violence happened 3 times to different fighters and he was jailed subsequently he was released because of he's influence. He was also known to favor teaching wealthier white students and was against teaching female self defense. When comparing the accomplishments of helio to other martial artists there's no denying he's greatness how as a person he was little better than a thug.

@KamaJiuJitsu 3 жыл бұрын

There is but ONE perfect human.

@petermelb123 3 жыл бұрын

@@KamaJiuJitsu who said anything about perfection? There's a difference between perfection and a competoir ambushing another after a fight with others and beating the poor guys up so bad that he needs life saving surgery

@felipe0102031 3 жыл бұрын

Now talk about kano the puppet of the Japanese fascist government that did the largest genocide of ww2

@petermelb123 3 жыл бұрын

@@felipe0102031 what are you talking about, he was employed by the government as a educator and a member of the Olympic committee .he was known for his anti fascist and pacifist stances. Some conspiracy theories about he's death note he may have died because of his views and was assassinated via food poisoning. You are insulting one of the greatest men to have walked on Japanese soil

@felipe0102031 3 жыл бұрын

@@petermelb123 what a hipocrite you are with your double standards, kano was a racist POS, even maeda who was not a example of a good person couldn't stand him no more.