as it should be 💯

Who is that random guy doing coding? Does anyone knows his channel?

​@@anonymous20944Michael Reeves on YT, he's pretty far from just a 'random guy' lol

@@anonymous20944 his name is Michael Reeves. He actually fought Graham in boxing which you can watch on KZfaq. 🤙🏽

​@@anonymous20944 Micheal Reeves

No comments? let me fix that.

​@@LuckyMassivePW on his t shirt stands for physics wallah, search for PW coding class or something like that

He helped me not go to jail but he asked me to pay him with Google Play cards 😅

The indian man saves us

@@LuckyMassive its PW skills channel its a unicorn company providing appordable/free quality education

It’s not the government responsibility to teach you 😂

​@@gsl649 when they make you pay taxes, it's their responsibility to make sure the people get proper education so as to develop that same country. Or else why do we need government if they can't work for our betterment

Really, i am learning Through them😅

And the scamming system 😂

@@gsl649 you’re the reason education became a human right

“Random guy in India”

He should say a great or brilliant teacher from india.. wdym by random indian guy so rude

​@@Prerna_1232he did say its good quality stuff right after

@@ItsJustFlower I'm not saying just bcuz he's indian, he's a teacher and we should respect our teacher specially in india for us teachers are equals to god i mean more than parents too so that's why i said..

@Prerna_1232 idk if that guy is an actual teacher if he is good for him, but just posting tutorials on youtube doesn't make you a teacher. Im not trying to be rude or anything but that's the truth lol.

Hahaha. What you did there....I see it 😄

…..And I need you to work 80hr weeks

You're a fucking legend man

underrated!

Golden!

Very very and ok 😂

Very very and ok 😂 Not just KZfaq, quora STEM questions also has indian replies Every science student has been saved by random Indian guys 😅

He is a teacher man😂 (They make content for college students on their KZfaq channel)

​@@jeetmukherjee2735can you please share the name of that Indian Person.!?

​@@CityLife786 physics wallah coding class

They know their stuff bro even the Japanese, Korean and Chinese stereotype them for being smart and those cultures go hard on studying. Put some Respek on em bro

@Sundowner-jq9tu Judging by how offended you are I'm gonna guess you're of Asian descent otherwise why take offense

Exactly don’t need a degree to do anything now a days! Everything I know a day in real estate I’ve learned through online research!

​@Sundowner-jq9tuDang bro, Hopefully you overcome your hatred for the most random stuff

You guys are dorks 😂😂

Welcome ❤

That's a horrible lie

yh

You're welcome

😆

Nobody cares

'self taught' you mean learned off internet. Or you magically started your cc++ or whatever and started with include😂

@@kurtcobain8316 when people say *self taught" it means they watched KZfaq and read 'Programming for Dummies' or something. And I'm not sure you get paid as a volunteer... 😁

yea lemme find where to volunteer rq

​@@user-gf5nu9os2nYou are either a low quality person or you didn't understand the intent of the OP. They weren't flexing. They were providing advice. So yes, people do care.

Yeah PW physics wallah

Tesla hires a lot of Random Indian Guys Just look at their Dojo Chip unveiling and Tesla bot videos. There are indian guys in it

He isn't talking about a particular person. The people who made the podcast just edited him in for the "random Indian Guy"

​@@YashRaj-zs1ooyes lol people are dense these days 😅

How dense are you my brother?

😂 Tbf, he WAS living in his car though! 🥴

Still a valid reason lol

That is true for everyone that's ever had a job

Fr

@@rodwellcort7503no, most people moved out of their parents house, not out of a car they were sleeping in.

Ive seen so many random indian guys while needing answers 😅

@@SonnyEverywhereindia got the knowledge

And watching them all with a very thick accent

@@SonnyEverywherelol any obscure error on windows? Random Indian guy

The best one is that random professor and former Wall St banker who shows you easy to follow computations for finance and economics @@SonnyEverywhere

yet, they write really bad code at a real job.

​@@drgta6they work equivalent to pay 🤣

@@drgta6then the company needs to pay more obviously

Thank you, code again

Its just a stereotype because the number of devs from India are only going to increase ​@@drgta6

And still most companies pay for your certifications instead of skills😂

@@RsOnTheStreetS Your looking at the wrong companies

@Sonic-gy7kq it has nothing to do with for what I look. Outside of IT it's like this on more 90% of the companies.

@@RsOnTheStreetS Well, the certification literally is supposed to certificate your skills :P

@@Mikael-jt1hk? they is a singular pronoun that’s recognized by every english guideline. has nothing to do with trans people

michael keep staying mysterious

​@NotAccountablehe made a stabbing robot, that's technically impactful

if you were curious enough to comment then you'd be curious enough to take 15 seconds to just look it up yourself which tells me your comment was entirely bad faith. Maybe smoke a little or something@NotAccountable

@NotAccountable it was to make a joke about surgery robots. He basically built a motion tracking XYZ axis robot with a knife attached to it. He also modified a robot dog to piss straight beer onto your floor. Michael Reeves here on KZfaq. He makes stupid inventions.

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Fr they can even make you to pass the exam one day before 😂

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If you are on desktop, you can get an extension that makes dislikes visible. Not sure if the same is true on mobile

any recommendations? I want to learn coding

'Love what you did with Twit- I mean X!'

Our engineers start at just over 100k and a 100k stock package,the mechanics start at about $21 per hour and a 5k stock package. Go to school, or get in the industry at 18 and you’ll be set for life.

"Mr.Musk I have to say, I love your online personality so much. Totally not reminiscent of teenage identity crisis desperate try hard edge lord humour. Now when do I start?"

He’d probably love that and accept the offer lmao

Gotta lube up the boss 😂

Lmaoo I think those apprenticeships are relevant when speaking of hands on skills, not something an aspiring lawyer or doctor would undergo. You need actual learned knowledge and deep understanding before you’re hands on.

​@@Splif128I'd prefer a lawyers without a degree who's worked directly for a lawyer for 3+ yrs and passed the BAR over a 0yrs work lawyers fresh out of college who got the same score on the BAR

​@@Splif128not really, not everyone is the same or learns the same way.

College is still worth it nowadays, a lot of trades are now done by migrants trying to get a foot hold in the US or people looking at a second chance at life. What’s RIDICULOUS is the cost of college! Earning that knowledge shouldn’t be that expensive!

@@marleychronic8530 It woulnd't be expensive if it wasn't for the Government, all those free loans cause colleges to rack up on that free $ and the students pay for it, basically all colleges live off of the debts of students.

and some universities don't even teach you stuff that you need in the professional field.

​@@duke6477 Most universities don't necessarily teach things that you will use in the field. Most companies use specific tools and equipment that varies widely from place to place, and will train new hires on their specific tasks. The degree is more to show that you have the ability to adapt to that field, not that you already know everything.

Most countries require a bachelors of some sort to get a job in a career. Only America really can you get a degree job without having an actual degree

The fact that just applying as a Janitor for a company needs this sh!t 💀

And youd think with all these requirements theyd pay you a lot, nope, you get minimum 3rd world country wage

Library?

​@@jamIam6548They are big public buildings where you can either sit in and read or rent out books, usually for free and only with a few for bringing them back late!

​@jamIam6548 they mean everything you can learn in college you can learn from books at the library

@@mjan3906 so it's a book storage facility?

​@@jamIam6548no, it's a library

Experience is everything and less jobs need college while needed you have experience but some jobs you can't just out of nowhere get experience without a job or college

The connection in college out weigh doing it online, and at any college btw

And all the political agenda crap college will shove down your throat.

@@alexjackyperson101 Most jobs could be taught on the actual job. Corporations just don't want to pay for it.

@@notaspy1227that’s why I’m glad I’m in a Union

True bona fide hustla

What song is it?

@@methatswho6299 congratulations

dude that’s michael reeves

@@sarahallen8739 so i'm right or?

@@lestercross5123 Yeah, he’s been pretty sucessful, like almost double Grahams subscriber base 😅 I think he’ll be good. he and his girlfriend are kind of viewed as a power couple which makes them even more popular with a certain demographic.

@sarahallen8739 how bout that. Thanks for the info. Maybe I'll check him out some time.

​@lestercross5123 defimietly should, just be ready wait a LONG time between youtube uploads since he quit streaming a while back. He does show up consistently in offline tv and offline tv adjacent vids and streams though, which is where we get most of our fill.

think he meant as a general that you can find these kinds of teachers online, and the editor just used the best example of one😅 dudes amazing!

Thx for the info on who he mentioned. ^_^

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Can you share the channel of this random guy on youtube?

@@FirstDarkAngel2001 your welcome :)

You know CS is field where you can earn a lot, so naturally it attracts a lot of people. Not all those people are good. From my experience, the students that need a lot of extra hours after classes are usually, not always!!, not the brightest ones. If you are intelligent you can teach yourself so easy. I am an engineer, I had no classes where they teach programming. I still manage to find solutions online for the problems that I wanna solve.

@@loonator1995 it’s about knowing how to PROBLEM SOLVE and find answers to your questions. I am retired national intelligence. Same is true in my field- know what you do know, and know it well; but have enough insight about yourself to understand and admit what you DON’T know and *how to find that information you need.* 🤷🏽‍♀️

@@chilltarts exactly

cap im living it up in the Tech world with a highschool diploma

I feel like you just described not being a dumbass as something that helps you learn on your own and problem-solve

@user-yc3mq2wm3vbro facts like WTF? where they at ?!? I’ll be a helper again right now 😂

You can find unicorns 🦄 in the trade world. I mean the federal government hires graduates from trade schools (1.5 year long program) for substation operations starting at 40/h Just good luck getting in unless your the best of the best 😂

Bro were you chopping African Blackwood (most expensive wood in the world) what do you mean 2K a week as a carpenter apprentice?

You were not making over $8,000 a month as an apprentice quit lying

Yeah...callin bs on this.

Bro really thinks every random guy is physicswallah 💀💀

He wasn’t specifically talking about him. It was the video editor who decided to do that.

@@captainsmoka9864some1 with a brain🙏🏽

who?

DUDE HAS BALLS OF STEEL

its the same case everywhere degree would always be prefered but if you know your stuff then freelancing is an option in both india and outside

India are the country with the most unemployed engineers and doctors because noone wants to work on the floor or as a nurse.

just lie...i know alot of people who just lie on their resume, if they check oh well you dont get the job and you move on to the next. they dont check boom you got a job.

For now maybe.

Take one in a subject like computational maths or physics with credit for programming that covers the degree while making the money you spend on college not a complete waste since both of those two subjects have lots of transferable skills

That's crazy man u and thousands and thousands of others are prolly doing the exact same thing. Coincidence lmao

Weird a guy I work with is doing the same thing too

Programming is good for the psychy

@@FuhzyLiquids You can say this for almost every single thing that we humans do. Any other profound knowledge you would like to share?

I graduated with both But now i feel lost

That's the easy part. The hard part is getting your resume through company HR filters when most of these companies are requiring a bachelors degree as a bare minimum to get your resume seen by a human, if you don't have a degree listed your resume is tossed to the bottom of the filter or sent into the abyss

Also lying about having a degree on your resume doesnt work, you can easily verify if someone has a degree by using national student clearinghouse by paying like 10 dollars to verify if they have the degree

There’s an approximate metric Uber shitload of people trying to get their first job in tech. It’s really fucking hard to do, even if you have a degree. Corporations use a degree as a filter because hey - for cheap juniors who’re probably not gonna stick around that long anyway, it’s at least some way to filter 10k candidates besides leetcode. The best companies will recognize talent outside of that, but make goddamn sure you’re presenting your talent well if that’s you.

​@mrbonotbbilly not always true, my friend. With a depth of experience on both sides of the coin, I can tell you I've hired and been hired for positions based on experience alone. There will be times when qualifications are necessary, but often you will either see ads say "relevant qualifications and/or expedience required". As long as they don't specify a reason for specific education, it's always worth making further enquiries.

Usually you are tested and given a time limit. I have done SpaceX C++ test. It’s 5 hours long FYI. And you are recorded.

This, Michael is not your regular tech guys he's a genius and is somewhat famous.

That’s the point if you have a great portfolio, degrees are not that important. They matter, just not as much as your portfolio. If you don’t have a great portfolio, or are on a field where you can’t make a portfolio, get the best degree you can. Not everyone is brilliant enough to get into fang, but there are millions of companies besides fang. And nowadays you can even make your own software and sell it by yourself, games, saas, etc.

Hello, I don't have a degree of any sort but I work in MAMAA. I got headhunted on LinkedIn. What Michael says is perfectly valid and I am definitely not a genius, just learned computer science after my part time job and became good at it

Also just want to point out it's not easy, and took years of work to build good portfolio to eventually get into these top companies.

correct me if i'm wrong, but most usually filter out the ones without a college degree and/or no work experience to make their job easier

@@xon-kun9406your mom

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

​@@xon-kun9406at least she's busy with his dad unlike your mom with their customers

What is the random guys channel name

bro first of all learn english i said [on] not [with] you i pad kid@@8MEalive

Thanks for that! :)

Yeah…random India guy, that’s what we said

What a nice Random Indian guy

Bruh it's not multi-billion dollars, it's networth is currently $950 million according to some sites.. and it might be even lower 🥴

Lmao ain't no way dude said multi billion dollar company 💀💀

You know nothing about programming if you think that ai is close to replacing programmers 💀 Ai is horrible for programming at the moment. I’m sure it’s going to improve, but id say right now it’s just a tool to help programmers. Because ai code often has so many mistakes, also most of the times the code is not optimized

​@@bobyouness the ai has no problems with programming, it just depends on prompts and your satire

Bru chatgpt will only be able to write few basic codes 😂 it won't be able to write full fledged program ​@@clivir8809

​@@clivir8809dude I guess you never worked on a large codebase, ai only helps in writing small piece of code.

​@@bobyounessbro I'm doing digital engineering. It's 100% replacing programmers. I imagine that rather than having a team of programmers, companies will start having just a couple overseers to work with AI.

Harvard gives extremely generous financial aid packages. So its actually cheaper than a state school.

Fact. You can own degree clout, actual DIY knowledge and not in debt at the same time.

​@@M_Catch You could do all this and then some with a degree; without context this would be a "generalization," of which are often inaccurate or disingenuous beliefs.

The education is easy to get. But nobody cares about they education they care about the useless credential at the end

Harvard is not expensive

Don’t work at Google…..

Well every company on the planet is inclined to hire ivy league post grads. That doesn't mean it's all they hire and you can't get in without a degree. It's WAY more common than you think to not have a degree and get in at those companies.

Not just Google but pretty much every big tech company. you will find some people there without a degree but they are the exception not the rule and they usually got a ton of experience prior to getting hired.

yeah, a company much rather wants someone whos been around in social circles not some guy being alone all day, also they need employees with 100ks of debt so that they have a reason to go to work every day

​@@Osjeyso false.. a company wants someone that is competent and can do a good job so that they can earn them money. Wake up dude. Lol

can confirm, i just got a job as a surgeon using my portfolio of self taught work :)

​@@sushibongg9057😂😂😂

​@sushibongg9057 buddy all the other stuff is aside but you gonna explain ur patients that u learned to do surgery from youtube 😅😅

@@ShrekDeezi personally dont tell them. they never ask because they see my doctor coat which means i am a doctor.

@@oNoireyou won’t be my doctor lol

Extremely ignorant statement. Tech wasnt "hiring anyone off the street" you just had to be a competent programmer and perform a function

@@chrispyy99 nope, not true at all

​@@chrispyy99 yeah, that's why faang ended up with dropping 10-30% of staff

Actual ignorance wow, you never mention that he worked at Hawaii first cause it fits your narrative, sure man they were just lucky and you were not

When faang dropped the degree requirements, the standards for getting in actually became more difficult.

😭 now that i think ab it he looks like a composite ai generated deepfake of the average programmer

But with a cute girlfriend

He looks like harry potter

Blud got severe acne because of all those sleepless programming nights

Bro looks completely normal he just got acne bru

true enough

At least in America’s form of hyper capitalism we recognize it doesn’t matter so long as you can make people $$. Obviously the college degree is still massive but you can def skirt around it

​@@Ryan-cb1ei It's way harder though. If you are from a target university in Finance, Econ or STEM you guaranteed to make 100k+ out of college basically

Facebook, Amazon, Netflix and Google. Tho nowadays, Netflix is out and Microsoft is in.

@@Shayman94what Microsoft is in??? I can get a job at Microsoft this way?

Don’t listen to shayman94, he didn’t even know that Apple is in faang, btw it’s FAANG with two A’s and technically Facebook became “Meta” so it’s MAANG. Microsoft is not in it.

Lizard people have fangs

It's actually FAANG Facebook Apple Amazon Netflix Google

Good luck getting a job now with no cs degree. There have been periods of time in which the most incompetent developers could easily get well paying jobs.

@@Isaac-eh6uu I actually know a lot of people who works with programming with no degree. Getting a degree opens a lot of doors of course. But not having one does not close all the doors. Like Michael says, there's a LOT of places that only care if you know or not, portfolio is your best bet. I know people that dropped out of college because they made their portfolio so great that they were hired and didnt see the need to get the degree.

cs go

how do you get a degree in cs go?

@@red_freire and when did these people get hired? Even with people with degrees or bootcamps struggle to get interviews these days

Hi

Hi

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This is cool af 😎

How do you look more into this?

whats a higher degree gonna do anyways then? doesnt make sense

If they're not looking at your portfolio, they're not hiring for skills... They're just filling slots, meeting hiring quotas, making "diversity hires" , etc for whatever stupid reason which benefits the company by filling the space.

​@playversetv3877 it's a box hr has to tick off so you can get past them and onto the technical hiring managers who don't care about papers but your skill. Degree shows ambition and an ability to learn new things to hr and that's all they care about since they don't understand how to program

Also if you’re lucky enough to get hired without a degree you probably won’t get any major promotions salary raises

There's some pretty good reasons to want developers with CS degrees. I have a bachelor's and I'm not qualified for a lot of positions which require masters or PhD. 75% of software developers don't benefit from a CS degree in their position though. I definitely don't use much of what I learned in school, I was a programmer long before I started college

What are your working projects? Those projects need to hold value for faang to think they can enhance your skills. Make meaningful projects you’ll get hired at big tech. Or just get a degree that might work as well.

Resume is worth less than portfolio

He said big tech doesn’t care if you went to college (((for programming))).

So true!

True

You can be both.

Mr Robot

Preach my guy ❤

It's not degree, it's portfolio, people just cope and find reasons because companies when they see a young Mark making a great social media site called Facebook and if he didn't have a degree they will not be questioning, they will hire him. Rules gets changed for the talented individuals.

Yes, this is the truth!

@@KamyFXbro Facebook was invented 20 years ago. You’re not trying to say the tech industry is in any way shape or form the same as it was 20 years ago are you? 😂 there are millions of extremely talented coders who have degrees, incredible portfolios and no job. Why should a company hire you over one of them?

@@juggles5474 Sure man they are soooo much of them that big companies are looking for months on one position but still can't find talented individuals. There are? yes but not many, especially young talented individuals will stand out for sure and will have a great career for them, sure at the start they maybe a "hidden gym" compared to thousands of cv applications but they are ready for any opportunity to come. Why would they hire you? For there benefits ofc. Did you think the corporations are giving you little timmy a chance by dropping degree requirements?? Hell no. They want to maximize their reach, they don't want to block off the great programmers that is having great skill and doing great projects out of love while not studying CS, they want those people, they will pay the same, so why not choose the best? Why statistically limit your reach.

Second all comments in this section. It’s not a degree people need it’s experience. Eps. for programming

It's always been like this. Employers never cared if you got papers as long as you got the skills. Only exceptions would be professions that require certain official qualifications like doctors, lawyers, etc. Programming? Marketing? Building? Art? Really, just about anything outside of those professions that require qualifications... employers won't care about papers if you can show you have the skills and it's always been the case. If they seem to care it simply means you don't have the skills. If you have them, you can prove it and you won't have much trouble convincing them.

@@thenonexistinghero you clearly missed the point of what he is saying. If everyone understands it, then why do people pay ridiculous fees to go to university instead of college.

@@JunixKuizon People pay ridiculous fees because most are not competent enough to learn and study on their own initiative. Doesn't change the fact that if you are competent enough, you don't need papers for most professions. Even for a lot of professions that you do require certain papers for to legally practice it's possible to study on your own initiative and then basically just only go through the requirements to prove that you're capable to get those papers.

​@@JunixKuizoninertia, most people can't learn by themselves. If you were raised in a world where you had to be quiet for hours since a boy, and then you make the same for years. What that will make yo your brain? You become a zombie, it's like unreal, but there is a lot of people extremely useless even I they have degrees.

I'm not even a coder and I know that. Experience is everything.

Everyone learns differently, the self taught path isn't for everyone. Me personally, I found self teaching a lot easier than school. I never went to college and took a similar path of Michael. Except I'm not a youtuber lol

I went closer to his path. I work for one of the largest software companies in the world and I have no college degree and no formal education beyond high school. What I did was start work early after high school in similar, entry level jobs. I slowly moved up and eventually landed a full time salary job where I'm at now. Currently making about $170k/year after bonuses. I have never ever, not once, ever been asked about my education, lack of college, or anything about how I actually know what I know. In the full interview they just wanted me to prove I knew how to problem solve and wanted to get an understanding of how I think and approach problems.

Software engineering is unique in that the degree you leave with rarely covers the mechanics of your day to day work which is changing rapidly as technology evolves. Frequently employers are looking for candidates with experience on their specific tech stack and that trumps any degree.

@@MattDunlapCO true but it's easy to miss fundamentals that are always applicable in some way. Things you didn't know you didn't know. Questions you don't know to ask. This is what's great about doing college at least for the beginner. Further education is becoming dubious at best and I would agree it's even more the case for software engineering.

@@reachtrev69 I have a CompSci degree, but the best engineer I know started working out of high school and is entirely self-taught. He had a hard time getting interviews before his first full-time non-consulting job (working for me at a major FinTech almost 18 years ago) but then no one ever cared that he didn't have a degree again.

this is what i was thinking too. like Michael's advice is so nuanced that you pretty much are blocked out of any respectable job without a degree. try being hired as a chemist, therapist, or an editor without their respective degrees. sure some subjects like programming can be self taught but the jobs that you get are usually dead end jobs and anyone that uses personal experience to say otherwise probably got their job in the past when the job market was significantly better. if a job position has 100+ applicants, why would the company even remotely put energy into considering the one applicant that is self taught when the rest have a bachelor's or masters, on top of potential internship experience.

That's why he said programming is easy to learn online

@@iclickmouse Programming is just a tool to solve a problem though. Knowing how to use a tool is only a very small part of being an engineer. An engineer has to fully understand the big picture: plan the project, calculate the cost, social and economic impact, lifecycle of the product, understand the effort, weight different approaches, gather requirements, validate, verify, test, etc. etc. etc. Programming is a small part of the entire development process. Saying you know how to "program" means you can use a tool. It's like being a nurse compared to being a doctor.

@@captain_bretzel true, the guy didn't say he learnt how to solve problems from KZfaq. he said he learnt programming (the language and Syntax) on KZfaq

Yeah, there is no chance you have a good grasp of data/code architecture if you didnt go to college

​@@Trizzer89That's one of the takes of all time.

@@Trizzer89 yeaaahhhhh, no...

@@majestyzx9081 I think we can all agree that on average, the person who went to college is going to be more knowledgeable on basically any subject they went to college for than someone trusting random online sources and youtube videos. I'm not saying you can't learn skills online, you can, but you are going to lack inherent knowledge that someone who did go to college has. If you can't agree with that, you're simply not being objective.

@@sway_onthetrail Random person online? Look. Programming is a language, just like any language you speak. You didn't go to college to learn English. You didn't go to college to "perfect" English, it's an ever expanding language with rules being bent and broken as new words and shorthand are added to the lexicon. Programming is the same. All it's doing is interpreting the user's syntax into machine language. There are ways to bend and circumvent the rules, find ways to implement iterations & shorthand previously existing code to make it more efficient. Just like a "slang" word in the English language before it enters the lexicon proper. Some of the most prominent writers in English break the rules all of the time. Cormack McCarthy doesn't use punctuation in his books, yet you can still read and understand the intentions behind it. Saying that going to college gives you an inherent grasp on a language that others don't have is just factually incorrect. College courses on any language, spoken or typed, is not a 1:1 representation on how that language is used day to day in the lives of people who speak it. It's fluent, ever changing, and C++ you learned in college 10 years ago has changed many times over as the community that natively uses that language has iterated upon it. Just like words such as "Tweet" or "Drip" have entered the english lexicon.

I was just about to comment this. Absolutely horrible advice, though there are exceptions to everything.

yeh i mean take it as face value. sure in almost any field, you have people from different backgrounds getting jobs without specific education in it . but theres also a lot of people who go to school for it and employers also regard it or prefer it. so thats why people go to school for it . and lets be honest. michael is really smart, very competent. hes one of "those" people, they dont need a university to back them up

Then, after THOSE resumes have been tossed out... ...without (x-years) experience, your resume AND your degree get tossed out too. Point is, the type of job YOU'RE talking about, is the kind in which they're just looking to FILL an obligatory position because they *HAVE TO* or are looking for a specific "diversity hire." NOT because they *NEED* someone that can show they're capable of producing the results they WANT. In cases where they NEED someone who can produce results they WANT, then no, degrees don't matter. Skill does.

@@Jadebones THAT, just simply is NOT true. Company's are going to BASE if you can DO what they want based on your EDUCATION. That's the first, and fastest verifiable piece of information about you. Your comment is not realistic. No company is just looking to put butts in chairs just because they "HAVE to." They all "NEED someone who can show they're capable of producing results," and the degree of severity of how much they need someone is not going to make their requirements less strict, if anything that would make them more likely to throw out someone without a degree. The sheer number of applicants makes it a necessity to not spend a long time reading through resumes. How do you imagine you're going to prove you're capable when your application is thrown out when they filter for the initial requirements? You think they're going to check through the in depth parts of your resume when you don't meet the traditional baseline of an education? Especially because companies spend so little time actually looking at resumes in the initial screening process, or simply use a tool that scans for them. Degrees always matter.

Only if your HR goons are idiots, which most are.

Until you show them your work. This works in many careers

A lot of bakeries expect a bachelor's or associates unless you know how to bake

@@tjpaiva3296 i doubt that you would even get an interview if they see that you got no degree, when they write in the career info that a bachelors is the minimum.

@@marlonjormungand7845 send em a picture of you baking something you'll have a job

@@marlonjormungand7845 it doesn't work like that in jobs that require skill. If you have the skill you can do it. It's a requirement because they do want those people but I'm telling you, if you have good work and show them it can definitely get you in.