Gran Turismo 7 Has A MASSIVE AI Issue!

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28 күн бұрын

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Welcome back to Gran Turismo 7.
So Gran Turismo 7 Update 1.48 is here!
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So for the next video of Gran Turismo 7 Update 1.48 I'm bringing you my biggest frustration which has plagued GT7 for the longest time the dreaded AI rubber banding in custom races!
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@Sylsomnia22
@Sylsomnia22 27 күн бұрын
AI is either easy or hard in GT7, but not challenging the way racing should be. Mostly due to "chase the rabbit" racing style, which sounds good but doesn't work. But also the cars just get out of your way, unlike Assetto Corsa Competizione, where they fight back, and every hit can cost the race. Driving Experience: GT7 Racing Experience: ACC
@markygti138
@markygti138 26 күн бұрын
Yes. Spot on. It’s feels like they wanted to put as little work into the AI as possible. The chase the rabbit race style means the AI run at a pace which allows you to catch up. Why not actually have decent AI with a competitive field and either a grid start or 2 wide rolling start? Am I being too cynical in thinking SOPHY might have something to do with it? At best they’ve spent so much time and resource on it that they neglected the regular AI? Or have they intentionally made it terrible to emphasise how superior SOPHY is?
@Sylsomnia22
@Sylsomnia22 26 күн бұрын
@markygti138 Gt7 is a great game and Sophy is good, but playing ACC makes it clear it's driving ai not a racing ai.
@andreasaldal415
@andreasaldal415 27 күн бұрын
thank you SO MUCH for bringing this to attention! ✌
@joshuamurphy1406
@joshuamurphy1406 27 күн бұрын
Thank you for highlighting this. I’ve been having this issue for ages. Custom races, trying to recreate late 80’s early 90’s Le Mans. Highest difficulty, you’ve to properly be on it until like you say, last 20% of race distance (and time) they pretty much give up. Also found that if you were to get so far in front then the AI can magically lap seconds faster… until they get within a limit, then ease again
@lwood9210
@lwood9210 27 күн бұрын
One problem with the AI that is most noticeable as well is that the AI brakes in the middle of every corner. Sometimes it brakes multiple times in each corner. How is that not fixed by devs?
@blast4898
@blast4898 27 күн бұрын
This!! This right here is the biggest problem I have with GT7! Custom race with hand picked cars for the AI is the best thing in this game, but the fact they give up about 40% into a race is such a drag! Thank you for bringing this up, it needs to be patched asap. Oh and btw it does the same thing for Sophy AI!!! I tested that out on LeMans, they really really need to fix this. I’m tired of beating a Ferrari Enzo while driving a stock 512 BB, should never happen. Especially at LeMans!
@andsoitwas3046
@andsoitwas3046 27 күн бұрын
Are you sure it does this with Sophy? For me it's been ultra realistic even after they tuned down Sophy's difficulty.
@zippo71111
@zippo71111 27 күн бұрын
The amount of times i've chosen a slower car, do slower lap times and still catch up after 3-4 laps is too many times. We're talking about 5-8 seconds slow down each lap.
@sheluvmxrks
@sheluvmxrks 27 күн бұрын
im tired of racing vulcans and fxxks while im driving a 350z😭
@blast4898
@blast4898 27 күн бұрын
Yes I am sure about the Sophy AI doing it too. They lay off after you drive about 40 to 50% of the race. The AI itself is extremely intense and interactive in those first laps though, I could only imagine how epic racing could be if they didn’t lay off!
@Prof_Blutwurst
@Prof_Blutwurst 27 күн бұрын
I bought a 20 car jgtc grid for 25 mil or so just to win in a gt300 car. Its just inner pain
@Zdravko_F.
@Zdravko_F. 27 күн бұрын
Custom races must be more real racing and be much more awarded! As soon as possible!
@ChilledGemini99
@ChilledGemini99 27 күн бұрын
When you watch the replays and look closey at the AI's speed (mph or km/h). You'll see the number teleport down or up at random times. You'll see AI hitting speeds that they aren't supposed to (i.e. stock CLK LM AI hitting 320km/h+ on High Speed Ring vs when you drive it, it's about 310km/h). Their FLs are also near impossible to beat sometimes. Unfair rubberbanding. I always have boost set to none/off and they still do it, smh.
@suprarz9352
@suprarz9352 27 күн бұрын
This!!! Very unfair and annoying!!
@HandlesSuck123
@HandlesSuck123 27 күн бұрын
Based on the GTPlanet forums, people say to set the boost to weak because the setting is actually reversed. Boost to none actually gives boost to the AI
@Aidan_-_
@Aidan_-_ 26 күн бұрын
YESS, does not matter if you play with or without the boost. I suggest you try the weak boost for your events, it's a little less worse than off
@maxgrieve
@maxgrieve 26 күн бұрын
Yes! They're slow when you need to catch them and then lightning fast when you're out in front - the very essence of rubberbanding. I run a Super Formula series and the AI's FLs just drop by 4-5sec when they're chasing at the end, which is ridiculous.
@andrewgarrett9550
@andrewgarrett9550 26 күн бұрын
Yup, I do a custom gt3 race around Daytona for 30 mins and when I get to first, the lambos and other cars are somehow able to do 1:42 or 1:41 on racing hards, which makes no sense considering lmp2s run that lap time
@jasonwilliams.4469
@jasonwilliams.4469 27 күн бұрын
So glad this has been mentioned! Can we also talk about how they indicate and let you drive past at the Nordschleife in quick and custom races? Horrible feature 😖
@BausWasHere
@BausWasHere 24 күн бұрын
I hate this so much
@ferheavymetal
@ferheavymetal 27 күн бұрын
If you set boost low ON in the options menu when you configure the custom races they wont lift, and you have to be really quick to win any race against them on even cars. I created my own GT300 & GT500 JGTC/Super GT and I have the best of battles in 20/30 lap races with them. It is a pity that none of this is explained by the game. At first I thought "boost" was only applied to me to make me faster, but it is the other way around it seems.
@EmoDKTsuchiya
@EmoDKTsuchiya 27 күн бұрын
Interesting. Thank you for this information
@SDM_AROK
@SDM_AROK 27 күн бұрын
Gotta try this one 👏🏽
@nuculearpancake17
@nuculearpancake17 27 күн бұрын
5 lap st croix, group 3 custom car set with all gr3 including retro Japanese and McLaren f1, Strong boost = 20th to 10th on 1st lap 10th to 4th on 2nd lap 4th to 1st by 3rd lap No boost = 20th to 15th on 1st lap 15th to 11th on 2nd lap 11th to 6th on 3rd lap 6th to 2nd on 4th lap 2nd to 1st on final lap I think your game might be broken
@minners71
@minners71 26 күн бұрын
@@nuculearpancake17 Try boost weak this seems to give me the best racing especially with cars from your garage.
@shakengandulf
@shakengandulf 26 күн бұрын
And boost only works to speed cars up behind you. So they dont drop back too far.
@chrisfernandez8916
@chrisfernandez8916 27 күн бұрын
AI in this game is shamefully one of the worst of any racing game pace wise and even worst, behaviour wise. They are randomly too slow or too fast and many times you are invisible to them and they act like if you are not on the track wherever you are around them.
@minners71
@minners71 26 күн бұрын
Just like online then, lol.
@RufusGT7
@RufusGT7 27 күн бұрын
Thanks for highlighting! I have made a video about the AI on the Mini Cooper 350pp event on which you can see the replay of the "cheater" AI which was way over the limit for a very low cash prize. Also the new Sunday Cup 400 at Kyoto, the leading opponents are somewhere between 450 and 470pp which is also over the limit and probably impossible to beat with a "suggested" PP of 400 when playing on hard difficulty.
@jasonwilliams.4469
@jasonwilliams.4469 27 күн бұрын
This one is shocking. Could only win when using medium difficulty. That was after trying about 20 different tuning setups and failing 😑
@FormulaOneFan98
@FormulaOneFan98 26 күн бұрын
I managed to beat the Kyoto race with a Mercedes Barker Tourer with Comfort Soft Tyres (399PP). Took a couple attempts.
@daowee7293
@daowee7293 27 күн бұрын
Okay so as a self proclaimed single player expert,there are many issues in single player. Firstly, the slider for rolling start distance only works when using kilometers, it gets stuck on 15 meters if you try to use miles for it. Second is about this video, they dont get slower through the race, they reach their slowest after 20 seconds... If you watch in the replay you can see they full throttle at the start and gradually from 10 seconds they get slower until 20 when they are losing about a fifth of their pace Some tips i have to make this mode fun is to use weak boost, and importantly fuel depletion, when you get in the race put ur fuel map on 4 ish, i found that with very slow cars you can use 2 and with fast super/hypercars you need to probably use 6 on the fuel map
@Aidan_-_
@Aidan_-_ 26 күн бұрын
This is exactly what I'm doing. The off boost is by far the worst while the weak boost can be countered with the fuel map on 3 or 4.
@Squidward-jv7go
@Squidward-jv7go 27 күн бұрын
This game is brilliant but it’s little frustrating and baffling things like this that stop it from being almost perfect. Some really baffling decisions
@maxgrieve
@maxgrieve 26 күн бұрын
I'd add something to this: I run a custom formula series on pro difficulty with the Super Formulas - so basically a one-make series - of around 15-20 laps, with tyre and fuel deg. I tend to stop earlier than the AI (as the AI tends to be happier running its tyres down to the canvas), meaning this mid-race rubber-banding is doubly terrible because I can make up most of the time lost from my stop within two laps... and then when the AI pits I just jump everyone in front thanks to them having been sandbagging. But here's the extra thing: the final 2-3 laps, when I've built a gap out front, it then swings WILDLY the other way - the AI starts taking like 4-5sec off its fastest laps for the entire race (even from the beginning). More often than not I end up with a train of cars up my exhaust by the finish, even if I'm banging in a consistent pace. Thanks for speaking out on this. I'm not confident something like this is likely to get overhauled until GT8 (maybe we'll get Sophy for custom races though, maybe that'd be worth a try). Custom races should be one of the best features of the game, but it's so frustrating that It doesn't seem possible to set a consistent challenge in them.
@sloppyfadge9565
@sloppyfadge9565 27 күн бұрын
What I’ve noticed in customer races if you put tyre ware,fuel usage on you’ll smash the cars before you pit. Soon as you pit they find 6/7seconds a lap and catch you up. Also I’ve noticed if you are doing a race and you take say 5of 10 laps to catch the leader and spin back to last place you’ll be back to second even first in two laps. They drop right off the pace. Same again if you put first the AI slow down.
@SnowLunar
@SnowLunar 27 күн бұрын
Sometimes I've the idea that AI pit times are shorter then ours.
@sloppyfadge9565
@sloppyfadge9565 27 күн бұрын
@@SnowLunar they never swop tyres so they are quicker in the stop.
@maxgrieve
@maxgrieve 26 күн бұрын
Yep, I have this. Usually not too noticeable from the start, but I tend to pit earlier (the AI likes to run its tyres down to the canvas) - then the AI backs wayyyy off, and I make up all the time I lost at the stop within 1-2 laps. Then when the AI pits I end up way out front, before it finds several seconds of pace it never showed the rest of the race.
@austinhunter7732
@austinhunter7732 27 күн бұрын
Couple of others already mentioned, but for the best experience in custom race, set the boost setting to WEAK. None and strong will have the AI rubberband hard either at the start or end of the race, weak seems to provide the best AI that'll actually race you. Granted in longer races, I've found the AI to slow down a little bit towards the middle of the race on this setting, but as the race comes to the last couple laps, it seems to determine what place you're likely competing for and turn all the other AI cars back to full speed to keep you honest. Either way, they should just fix it to where the none option actually functions as none and let us race as we please.
@shakengandulf
@shakengandulf 26 күн бұрын
This is pretty much spot on. None should be off and work correctly. Would fix everything wrong with arcade mode.
@solsticecity
@solsticecity 27 күн бұрын
Like many other comments, thank you for bringing this to the attention of more players! On Daytona the AI don’t even fully accelerate going round on custom race on professional difficulty. But one thing I DESPISE is on Special Stage Route X, a track specifically for high speed racing, slipstreaming and overtaking…the AI doesn’t do the last thing. They don’t overtake. They just sit behind each other in a single file line, doesn’t matter the class, power, top speed - I’ve had Gr1 cars sitting behind Gr4 cars, and cars with 250+ top speed sitting behind a car going 180 mph…I put it in a video years ago, maybe it’s fixed now. But things like that just ruin the custom race experience. It’s such an amazing idea and has great customisation. How did they manage to screw it up? GT Sport didn’t have as detailed customisation but I’m pretty sure the AI were competent at the very least. And of course, a long term problem with GT7 is a permanent problem. Hopefully for the next instalment they’ll take more care to check their modes work properly before releasing them broken.
@solsticecity
@solsticecity 27 күн бұрын
Haha I didn’t mean to make such a long comment ^_^’ As someone who doesn’t play online, custom races are where it’s at for me. So this is something that clearly take too much to heart.
@Aidan_-_
@Aidan_-_ 26 күн бұрын
@@solsticecity same man, thank you for your comment i thought i was the only one having this problem around Stage Route X
@FezzantPlucka
@FezzantPlucka 26 күн бұрын
I think it's the rubber banding code from GranTurismo 1. They've literally never updated it.
@MrTystRacing
@MrTystRacing 27 күн бұрын
Custom races with sophy would be a great future update
@andrewgarrett9550
@andrewgarrett9550 26 күн бұрын
Surprised we didn’t get custom races with it from the start of sophys release
@MrTystRacing
@MrTystRacing 26 күн бұрын
@@andrewgarrett9550 I think they said the ai can drive like 70% of the cars last time. So maybe theyre getting there soon 🤔
@gnormous0805
@gnormous0805 26 күн бұрын
Combine this with how, in any race, every AI car has to stomp on the brakes two or three times through every corner.
@buddybrandongc5063
@buddybrandongc5063 27 күн бұрын
So the AI literally has a skill issue?
@samuelgarrod8327
@samuelgarrod8327 27 күн бұрын
The editor of this video has a skill issue.
@buddybrandongc5063
@buddybrandongc5063 27 күн бұрын
@@samuelgarrod8327, your mom has a skill issue.
@KyoRedBladeZR1
@KyoRedBladeZR1 27 күн бұрын
I noticed it as well the other day. Did a tuner track day at high speed ring. Maxed out my 02 NSX, RE RX7, the Mitsubishi GTO and had a Nismo R32 with everything, save for the mid-rpm turbo. I put the RX7 first on the grid. After 2 out of the five laps, the RX7 was just crawling as well as the GTO. I had damage turned on to full with 1x fuel and tire ware. The AI was abysmal.
@minners71
@minners71 26 күн бұрын
Have you tried setting Boost to weak, I remember seeing a video about this and the youtuber did tests with boost off/weak/strong and with weak the cars were a lot more competitive, especially when paired to cars from your garage.
@rodriguezkev
@rodriguezkev 10 күн бұрын
It seems they have have it wrong in the settings as the weak setting seems to turn it off and the off settings sets it to weak lol.
@anthonygnapp7495
@anthonygnapp7495 27 күн бұрын
I sent up some one pack Porsche Cup style races, and depending on which circuit you are on, when you are out in front suddenly they can lap up to 12 seconds faster than you !
@Tacko14
@Tacko14 27 күн бұрын
2:20 also, that toyo s-fr apparently qualified ahead of the porsche ánd the aston. Very realistic, guys. Meanwhile whoever is in first looks like he is going to lap you. I thought they were supposed to be comparable
@demon-x3250
@demon-x3250 27 күн бұрын
The custom race AI is what really made me not enjoy that mode as i used to. I always try to make my own custom 1 hour races with random stock cars with like a very slow refuel speed just to see the gaps that happens in between all cars. Then i tried making one and it was immediately ruined by the front runner AI just having an impossibly fast pace or having the huge gap i was hoping for due to pitstops be next to no effect because the AI just rubberbands to you anyway. Or how the lapped AI gets very confused when they start falling too far back so they start rubberbanding past you but slows down immediately after they do making them much more of a nuisance. It annoys me they havent fixed this
@kujiko88
@kujiko88 27 күн бұрын
Recently I've noticed Hard AI losing roughly 25km/h going into turn 1 on High Speed Ring. It's not even a progressive loss or anything. A car will be going 230 and in the span of 1 or 2 frames, drop down to nearly 200. It's happened repeatedly and has almost caused me to rear end them more than once.
@grasshoper4904
@grasshoper4904 27 күн бұрын
Ive known this for soooooo long as i do custom races very often this bug was also in gt sport
@Sakurubii
@Sakurubii 27 күн бұрын
I mostly have this problem with racing against road cars in custom races, lot of the time the cars will just rubberband and go faster or just strictly go slow and sometimes **only 1 or 2 cars** will keep up with you no matter what you do. Group cars tend to do it as well but it's less likey it happens, I race a lot of endurance races and it's the same thing but it's always 1 car that keeps up with you still all the time... I still remember that cars used to be way too fast to catch back at launch of the game in custom mode.
@NI.Motorsports
@NI.Motorsports 27 күн бұрын
I've never experienced this, but then again I always choose the cars I'm racing against. thanks for bringing this to attention
@MorrWorm8
@MorrWorm8 27 күн бұрын
If I use my garage cars the game should not change the tires!!! It kills me!!!
@chrisg4rr377
@chrisg4rr377 26 күн бұрын
Pit stopping on lap 7, then the AI pits on lap 9 of ten is so nice to see when its a harder race
@obersturmbannfuhrer60311
@obersturmbannfuhrer60311 26 күн бұрын
The AI in GT games is stuck in 1997.
@kbishop94
@kbishop94 27 күн бұрын
I've seen this same exact AI issue in a different but all-too-similar racing sim: Mario Kart. I'm of the opinion that I think it's entirely possible if not probable that Sony as hired some previous Nintendo engineers. When we start seeing Gr.1-4 cars gain the ability to poop out banana peels from the tail pipe and shoot red shells from the front of the car, we'll have our proof.
@RiffleVFXportfolio
@RiffleVFXportfolio 26 күн бұрын
My biggest gripe has always been, since I've gotten this game, the AI at the Maggiore Human Comedy race. I've looked up strategies and the best car to use and everything. I'll take the RX Vision, and find that the opponent using the same car is outpacing me in both the turns and straights, and only pitting once when i have to put twice. And then my best lap is like a full second off the best AI lap. I like to think I'm pretty decent at the game, i have all gold license tests and all the other human comedy events I'm lapping the whole field; but this one event I can't get closer than 30 seconds behind first place. I read that they changed the BOP rules for the player but left the AI way overpowered. It's just ridiculous.
@matsimmo6208
@matsimmo6208 26 күн бұрын
I beat this race a couple weeks ago using the RCZ Gr.3 and the medium tyre strategy. It’s difficult but still entirely possible
@KikuraKun
@KikuraKun 26 күн бұрын
The AI won't affect the BOP settings. Unless they set them manually (which is a lot pain), they need to do something to make them affected by the game.
@paarker
@paarker 26 күн бұрын
I overtook two back markers and got taken out by two separate Ai on that same track earlier today. My neighbours heard me shout I was that pizzed. Literally rammed off the track from behind. Blue flags must mean nothing.
@davidanderson6706
@davidanderson6706 20 күн бұрын
Yea i was gonna mention this. I made my own race series a 600hp 2850lbs. 700hp 2675lbs and a 800hp 2450lbs classes. I start in the middle and the AI will fight me and then out of nowhere im 20-30mph faster and they’re 5-10 secs off pace. Its really lame. Fighting the whole race is lovely, this mess isnt. I even came in the pit to change tires and got the lead on the same lap
@KikuraKun
@KikuraKun 26 күн бұрын
They clearly need to remove the hardcoded rubberbanding within the Arcade races (Custom and Sophy) and fix the AI. They could've make the AI's pace more neutral. You never have this problem in Missions and Campaign races since they're custom made by PD, especially Chilis.
@DontForgetOldKolobok
@DontForgetOldKolobok 25 күн бұрын
There are issues with sophy too. I don't know if it's been updated, but it seems much more like the regular AI than it did when it was first implemented. Also in the hard races, the game puts cars that are far faster on the straights, which you can do absolutely nothing about, and makes races with long straights unwinnable
@loluntilmypie
@loluntilmypie 27 күн бұрын
You can even view the replays of races and see the AI is never at 100% throttle even on a straight or where they can go flat-out.
@gmlhb
@gmlhb 27 күн бұрын
I heard that a few people have figured a way to use A.I. Programs to influence times on GT7, I thought this was baloney, but after looking at one or two KZfaqrs with nearly ALL of the records I started to wonder if it is fact? Is it the case? Who knows, but it does at least raise the question.
@dekeaustin
@dekeaustin 22 күн бұрын
I thought it was from lack of fuel... I never knew they did this....🎉🎉
@MorrWorm8
@MorrWorm8 27 күн бұрын
Only thing that ticks me off is I will tune a whole class of 600pp cars and set up A race I will totally customize the grid. So we are pretty equal. Except a fewer that are better. Once I set the race it will put the entire grid on completely different tires. Some CS , SH, SM & RH. Which throws the entire grid out of wack
@Shattered_Skies
@Shattered_Skies 27 күн бұрын
Just an assumption, but this can be because of the way you have your cars set up in the garage. Every time you load your custom race settings, the game will extract the cars from the garage with their current setup (not the setup you used when creating the custom grid in the first place). So if you recently changed tires on one of the cars you selected for the custom grid, the next time you load the custom race that car will have its tires changed too
@MorrWorm8
@MorrWorm8 25 күн бұрын
@@Shattered_Skies unfortunately not. I have found that it puts the cars on their original tires that come on them when you purchase the car. So the “fix” work around. Is you have to go through and find all the cars that comes stock with a certain tire. Say sport hard tires. Then you will have to switch from. I personally like sport softs. So I have to set it up with sport hard tires. It’s the only way to get a custom race where every car is on sport hard tires. If you want to race against a car but it came with Comfort medium tires then you are out of luck. Because that’s what it will be on in the custom race.
@computerguy84
@computerguy84 26 күн бұрын
Definitely seen this. I've always thought it was because of the race difficulty but I noticed that it doesn't change regardless if I change the difficulty. AI should not be that easy to beat. I like the challenge of having to tweak my vehicle or change vehicles to actually win a race. Hope this wasn't done on purpose and it's fixed.
@polypolar
@polypolar 26 күн бұрын
I always detune my car in custom races if I want to keep a tight race. You need to race against the cars from your garage and set them up faster or slower to make the race as competitive as possible. Thats when I have the most fun in game
@tonemack2981
@tonemack2981 27 күн бұрын
Yup definitely! It's like your racing against EVs. The AI starts off with 100% battery level and then 25% through the race it's like the battery levels are depleted and the AI just gone into limp mode. Love GT7, still my favorite sim racer right now.
@HandicapRacer
@HandicapRacer 25 күн бұрын
Is your ai difficulty set to the chilli's?
@BeAGoodDoga
@BeAGoodDoga 27 күн бұрын
Well… There’s a way to make the A.I. worse with certain cars, by modifying suspension & ride height, which requires cars from your garage as opponents. So really, this is nothing.
@inertiadrifter401
@inertiadrifter401 27 күн бұрын
how did u get such good chase camera offsetting on turns?
@minners71
@minners71 26 күн бұрын
Options.
@heinous70
@heinous70 27 күн бұрын
Add this to long list of race rigging tactics. At least you can win these. The handful that seem damn near impossible are the ones that irritate me. Like the ones that have the ability to pull away strong, after you've reeled them in through a pack
@FinalGirlHorror
@FinalGirlHorror 26 күн бұрын
This games goes from one extreme to the next. Races like these happen all the time then you have the chili pepper races that are super hard no matter what difficulty level you play on.
@Psypt_aSnat
@Psypt_aSnat 27 күн бұрын
AI is just strange in GT7! I use BB backwards in a individual 20 minutes race starting 20 of 20 with tyre degradation and fuel consumption against 'random'. I use fuel 6, being maybe one second faster than AI and pit last. But after pit some AI get up to six seconds faster compare to me than before! That's sick stuff! Be first but enemies shooting by like rockets not care about the leader .... (lapped cars dont ever do either 😑) GT AI is a surprise box again and again and again 🙄🙈😅
@SNOWDUDE13
@SNOWDUDE13 27 күн бұрын
The amount of randomness I've seen in my daily race of the 30 min Le Mans is staggering. There has been times I thought they broke their engines doing absolutely nothing.
@darkstar_448
@darkstar_448 27 күн бұрын
I don't really do custom races to see the difference, but it's definitely doing something similar in single player too. I always felt single player races/missions are more scripted and some will have a more powerful car/racer in 3rd/4th place configured to take the lead just as you get up to the front and take off, hence may not be as prominent as you said. Multiple races in single player mode though you always seem to catch the car in front as long as your car is reasonably comparable. It's almost as though you can slipstream from 15 secs behind ;) No reason for a custom race to not be customisable with respect to AI. Also, not sure if the video was clipped strange at the start, but still gets the message across.
@shakengandulf
@shakengandulf 26 күн бұрын
I spent weeks (more like months) investigating the ai habbits.. found some very interesting results. Rubberband ai, to none to arcade modes 50% race distance drop off. Simply put, want races with no banding?.. do any race with fuel/tyre wear. That means all WTC 700/800/900. All chillie races. Only exception is the tokyo race wtc600 which coincidentally has fuel/tyre wear. The other wtc600 races have slow down/rubber banding.
@Ty-er5ok
@Ty-er5ok 26 күн бұрын
I was totally confused when he said the car ahead “lifted off,” only to see it going slow. I then realized he meant it was slowing down. I’m in the US, and here “lift off” refers to a rocket lifting off the launch pad so to me, “lift off” means going VERY fast indeed! But is it a UK expression or a general racing term? I’m new to Sim racing so I really don’t know.
@KikuraKun
@KikuraKun 26 күн бұрын
It's just an expression I think, since you can say that they lifted the gas pedal off, which is coasting in your case.
@Flash_Mexxy
@Flash_Mexxy 26 күн бұрын
If you're in first with half the race to go the AI will speed up to faster than their car is capable of. To test this start a race in 1st place. In this case they will get up to their fastest pace even sooner.
@SnowLunar
@SnowLunar 27 күн бұрын
I've seen an Alfa Romeo GTAm going insane at the Clubman 600 cup, the car tune is on a whole another level that thing is blowing. I know it isn't like this problem but it's really strange, can you take a view on it?
@hybridAbsol
@hybridAbsol 27 күн бұрын
Seems fine to me, I enjoyed a good battle against a car I loved
@SnowLunar
@SnowLunar 27 күн бұрын
@@hybridAbsol i love it, the sound aswell. But it seems to be kinda glitched or something like that. Like it has a 700pp tune on it
@hybridAbsol
@hybridAbsol 27 күн бұрын
@SnowLunar my friend and I had some tight battles with that GIULIA GTA on hard mode, that thing is amazing !
@jasonwilliams.4469
@jasonwilliams.4469 27 күн бұрын
I had the same thought with the Sierra Cosworth at Road Atlanta. Even when I fully tuned mine it gaps me on the straights!
@hybridAbsol
@hybridAbsol 27 күн бұрын
I think Gt7 should get some new meme cars and we are looking at them now
@manostororosso2364
@manostororosso2364 27 күн бұрын
I'm Playing Gran Turismo 4 and just like I remember ...there is no rubberbunding... You might say yeah but there were only 6 cars not 20? Well Gran Turismo 4 had this awesome feature called Practice acting as a Qualifying as well... So if you were to have issues to overtake 20 cars in 5-6 laps .. you could just do the qualify in GT7 as well right? NOOOO let's just put rubberbunding to the opponents to slow them down...
@ijustsawthat
@ijustsawthat 27 күн бұрын
And then there is the Mt. Pan WTC 800 which is a spice 4 race. The AI is merciless, and can do absolutely perfect laps on that track.
@user-nw5mn5vx5t
@user-nw5mn5vx5t 27 күн бұрын
When I do endurance races in custom race, in a 1 hour race, the AI will be absolute rocket in the first half but then slow down on the second half. Once I got 52 seconds from the first after 10min of race but I easily won and that’s not really fun of course
@andsoitwas3046
@andsoitwas3046 27 күн бұрын
That has to do with their fuelmap and tire wear.
@user-nw5mn5vx5t
@user-nw5mn5vx5t 27 күн бұрын
@@andsoitwas3046 no because I stopped to repair the car and the first had the same car as mine, but sometimes you’re wright
@charliecharlie8621
@charliecharlie8621 27 күн бұрын
The AI wont even go full throttle in custom races. Ever. Its so annoying. Putting boost on weak kinda helps but the pace is still inconsistent. Sucks because custom races are by far the best part of the game.
@FrancisMarcosGaming
@FrancisMarcosGaming 14 күн бұрын
While everyone else was presumably crying like babies about the AI pace (you know, standard community procedure nowadays), someone else recently figured out that the best way to fix the problem was to equip every opponent car with racing softs and set boost to weak. I've been doing this with every custom race since.
@lucasyamashita5998
@lucasyamashita5998 14 күн бұрын
That doesn’t work. The weak boost does make them better but even if you set the tires to soft it will default to racing hards, another bug that’s been around for a while
@kurtg5405
@kurtg5405 26 күн бұрын
Bring on GT8 as a ps5 exclusive, with Sophy Ai featuring a B spec mode.
@Agent-mb1xx
@Agent-mb1xx 25 күн бұрын
The AI no matter what feels like it never goes above 80% throttle
@mcrgrooves
@mcrgrooves 26 күн бұрын
The ai also follow they’re pre programmed pathways regardless of the presence of human players as well , the sardegna pit stops are brutal
@Tvensky86
@Tvensky86 27 күн бұрын
GT clean race bonus is a joke, because like 99% of the time they are NOT aware of player car on track.. it is just blind and even bumps in the back if you brake chek or too early in corner.. or even late in corner.. just.. lame.
@eclypse1259
@eclypse1259 27 күн бұрын
Sh!t’s been like this forever in GT.
@darksteppa056
@darksteppa056 27 күн бұрын
And if you add pitstops after you leave the pits tge cars go super slow for two or 3 laps
@johangrannas4837
@johangrannas4837 27 күн бұрын
ofc this is happening just so you can win.. winning is fun ;)
@tyler2649
@tyler2649 26 күн бұрын
Typically around 3/4ths through the race the AI actually do become sentient. Once that happens they realize that their life has no real purpose and they essentially give up trying.
@Aidan_-_
@Aidan_-_ 26 күн бұрын
There is no way people only find out now. As a big custom endurance races enjoyer this AI issue is ruining the game. The problem is that the game thinks that you are the main attention of the race. Which is not true. The AI are constantly evolving, not to the track, not to the conditions, but only to the player. It makes Endurance races pointless as you will take the lead quit quickly and never look back. This is clearly a game made for kids who gives the feeling of winning to anyone who ruins the charm and the competitivity of racing.
@manostororosso2364
@manostororosso2364 27 күн бұрын
Also do you know how at the bottom of the races there are 10 Championships? There were 10 Championships day 1, there are 10 Championships now... WHY??? they only give single player events and not championships???
@Astrogamer52
@Astrogamer52 26 күн бұрын
Redo the economy. Better pay outs, and more custom races. cars i just bought dont depreciate over 3/4ths immediately, and redo the ai and race starts with grid and qualifying.
@dekeaustin
@dekeaustin 22 күн бұрын
Hopefully one day they will release Sophie....🎉🎉🎉
@mikahamari6420
@mikahamari6420 26 күн бұрын
I used to play sports and driving games with Playstation and one of them was GT-series. There has been catch-up logic almost as long as there has been sports games. The games are scripted to artificially force tight and exciting finishes. In football or hockey this is executed by making the players of AI team super humans who are magnets sucking the ball or puck to their reach in a way that makes the physics look ridiculous. Of course ball bounces and your helpful goalie will keep the game tight. And in driving games suddenly these cars fly on the track. I stopped playing these games, because they are all scripted. It doesn't surprise me at all that nothing has changed. It will never change.
@sheldoncooper8199
@sheldoncooper8199 27 күн бұрын
In One hour of Spa there s a Group 3 Viper It has Fuel for 9 to 10 Laps on Medium Race Tires there IS NO WAY a 1200 kg 550 HP Viper has Fuel for 9 Laps not even on Fuel Level 6.
@Jakereisman11111
@Jakereisman11111 27 күн бұрын
The AI can’t handle high commitment corners especially at Bathurst
@Aidan_-_
@Aidan_-_ 26 күн бұрын
God they suck at Bathurst and at Eau Rouge on Spa
@nighthawk9532
@nighthawk9532 27 күн бұрын
On Daytona they just constantly spin you, Another thing, you can’t choose the tires the Ai uses which is absolutely unacceptable for a PS5 game, you could do this on PS2 with GT4 Also you have to keep your cars in the state that you want it in for your custom races, why can’t you just make a save for your cars for certain tracks when you make a custom race or having a folder to put your cars in for certain tracks? I can’t see why a PS5 game can’t do this, GT7 is a game with many issues
@IvoRuestRossi
@IvoRuestRossi 27 күн бұрын
1000000% agree
@DVSnark
@DVSnark 26 күн бұрын
GT is unfortunately a very good car collecting game with a fantastic physics model and cutting edge graphics that make conversion to a racing game nearly impossible. If it was a racing game you’d be pitted against other cars with bop applied, you’d get sponsorships, operate a team, and progress through a season in a grid if other cars. GT has far too many disparate cars to do that with so it’s decided to give up and just create the illusion of racing. So glad they at least put sophy in the game so you can sort of pretend the ai is at least trying, but this is not and never has been a proper racing game, it’s always been a car collecting game, so the point is not to compete as a racing driver but to just grind the game, accumulate credits, and buy more cars to keep the cycle going. They can’t be wrong with how successful the product is, and they can always point to multiplayer as a copout for providing a decent single player experience, but it is a huge shame that we have a game with this much fidelity and content that can’t provide that experience. They could, but they won’t because it would go against the grain of car collecting if you got stuck in a single vehicle for an extended amount of time and had to work your way through the rankings to hopefully make enough to keep your garage funded for the year. Maybe in the future they’ll come up with something that feels closer. Besides there isn’t anything necessarily wrong with how they have the game set up if you accept it as a chill driving car collection game with a lot of very well modeled tracks to drive on. Turn the difficulty down, turn the music up and drive.
@eviltaylor1
@eviltaylor1 27 күн бұрын
Don't call it a "race" it starts when the last place passes the line, no race does that except that Tomy Race game with the front of a red Porsche and the little steering wheel. And you don't get to hear the cars accelerating from the grid, which was the best bit in the opening movie of GT1. The AI line is awful as seen in your vid where they leave 3/4 of a car width from the edge of the road the brakes to hit the apex no matter how shallow so you get no real practice of overtaking on a corner.
@ShipReK66
@ShipReK66 27 күн бұрын
maybe the AI driver is tired or is distracted by a chore they should be doing instead.
@andreasmoller9798
@andreasmoller9798 27 күн бұрын
The ai and single player career is the worst parts of gt7. But a proper ai would make it much more fun. What i hate about the ai in custom races is that its rubberbanding not a case for the world circuits events. Custom races custom grids is amazing through Overall gt7 is still an good game witch has many parts they best the ever been, pontential is there. The 2 key words. To work on is Ai single player and we could have a masterpiece on our hands.
@mochabear88
@mochabear88 27 күн бұрын
love sophy
@klayshotter
@klayshotter 27 күн бұрын
I hate this coz I’ve wanted to replicate some grA Bathurst racing from 90s but THIS is the reason why the ai is just annoying in this
@Aidan_-_
@Aidan_-_ 26 күн бұрын
use weak boost and put your fuel map on 3 or 4
@evo8nut
@evo8nut 27 күн бұрын
Anyone still get the game bug where in as the game wont load, n ya left lookin at the GT logo with loading circles around in the message in the bottom right sayin, "saving" 🤣🤣🤣 happens way to many times n if it happens im less likely to load the game n just turn the shite off, Gran Turdismo 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@RockinRob1972
@RockinRob1972 27 күн бұрын
Yeah the AI is a joke. They also preach about sportsmanship when they have a video before you enter the daily races and yet there a I will smash into you.
@00Jimmy00
@00Jimmy00 27 күн бұрын
i dont have issue with that but when ai dont respect blue flag
@Aidan_-_
@Aidan_-_ 26 күн бұрын
they actually do but they are so poorly programmed they just park in the middle of the road the player usually has to go into the grass to overtake
@andysuryantorovanruzzette8085
@andysuryantorovanruzzette8085 24 күн бұрын
When you see a bunch of masochists gathers
@RickyMrclg0
@RickyMrclg0 27 күн бұрын
Well what difficulty are you on?? And why is the AI becoming self aware Lol
@Vixeinn
@Vixeinn 20 күн бұрын
The AI is not Competitive nowhere near the level racers are in sport mode which makes practicing impossible even if i set my laps to 2 start last and turn bop on I will still win against the professional ai
@rhamsesacosta4745
@rhamsesacosta4745 27 күн бұрын
ive been sayining this to myself for a long time now
@a92gsxdsm
@a92gsxdsm 26 күн бұрын
Did you have it on professional in the race set up? Do you have the AI in the menu on hard? I stopped playing gt7. Moved to ACC in ps5 and on to a pc. AI races are so much more competitive. I don't have to pay to play online either. Gt7 is a joke simcade.
@raaajit1
@raaajit1 27 күн бұрын
Ok so what you all saying for that Tokyo Expressway 600PP touring race , AI always wins 🤣🤣🤣
@DOOM-EMPIRE
@DOOM-EMPIRE 26 күн бұрын
If you want to see bad AI I have a replay of it
@john-yvindhafeld2702
@john-yvindhafeld2702 3 күн бұрын
Lets face it its been a problem that i remember since GT4. We all seen it in GT5,GT6, now GT7.past 15ich yrs the AI is broken in GT games. Have they given up trying?? Sophy might be good but for crying out fix this rubbish AI
@AntonyRaiola
@AntonyRaiola 27 күн бұрын
The so much mystified Kaz has slowly lost his mind since GT5. He doesn't know what a RACE is. He needs to go.
@andreasmoller9798
@andreasmoller9798 27 күн бұрын
Kaz needs to stay. He is the one creating the series why would he go. And its no gurantee it would be better for it, it could even be worse who knows. A lot of decisions is also made by Sony and not pd.
@AntonyRaiola
@AntonyRaiola 27 күн бұрын
@@andreasmoller9798 He was a genius during PS1 and PS2 era, but now he's got no idea of what he's doing with his own franchise. He will eventually make it die.
@andreasmoller9798
@andreasmoller9798 27 күн бұрын
@@AntonyRaiolahe knows what he doing and what he want with it. He wanted esports witch he has done push vr witch is incrediable by the way. But i think kaz forgot about the people like single player. But gt7 is not bad game by any means its flawed like any other gt game has been. Previous gt games had flaws to. There is no signs of gt dying its actully more the other way around it keep Selling well every month. The pontential has never been greter on a gran turismo game than gt7, while we can all say the single player and progression is bad most other aspects is big improvment to what it was before. Gt Will live on and get many more future gt games their is no question about that. Until there is a game that can rival gt in good way you Will never see gt die. Fm tried and failed misserbly. If we had better competetion for gt it might had improved more on those dissapointing areas to If there was another racing game pushimg it, but we know Sony is in charge for many of the things that can happen to gt,
@AntonyRaiola
@AntonyRaiola 27 күн бұрын
@@andreasmoller9798 eSports in GT will die soon, world tour drivers aren't happy at all regarding how PD is managing it. The only improvement i see on GT7 is graphics wise. There's potential indeed but there's no interest of actually exploiting it.
@andreasmoller9798
@andreasmoller9798 27 күн бұрын
@@AntonyRaiolanot only graphics sounds is much better in gt7 to. Better customize options, Lets not forget how bad it was with 700-800 standard cars in gt5 and gt6 and not to mention how bad all cars sounded to in gt5 and gt6, pd did take notes on this and massivly improved the car models, sounds and how they feel to drive. Quality has gone up massivly since ps3 days. Where it failed was single player witch has been on the bad side since gt6, gt5 was the last with a true good career mode.
@ralphharrison6622
@ralphharrison6622 27 күн бұрын
gt7 has a gt7 problem. its a drag. very few interesting car updates, and a serious lack of courses. i used to be such a huge gt fan, played since the beginning, but have long since left do to being bored af after 20 mins.
@eduardovillalobos4722
@eduardovillalobos4722 26 күн бұрын
So what the fuck happened to sophi lol
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