While it’s impossible to know if this was so good because of the changes to the rules, or just because it was the final round - this was everything the OO felt like was intended to deliver. Well done everyone involved! Edit: after seeing Don only be awarded 15 points after that insane 2v1 hold for like 8 minutes…I think the rules have a ways to go yet before they are settled. Especially when that only got him 3rd place :/ and first place went to someone who rushed another player then died immediately.

Don deserves more points, that was impressive play. I also found it amusing that Wam called everyone else stupid for not pushing Don harder, but all those remaining had about as many points or more than Don, except Wam himself.

Incredibly entertaining game! However I do find it weird that the victor who won against 4 other players have less ponts than some other players. In my opinion, you get eliminated when you can't play anymore, and Don eliminated 4 players when he won, which should award him 24 Kill points.

Now that's a game, maybe we need to promote winning the game within under thr hour for more points

Definitely liked pushing for early combat with the new rules, but I feel you have some rebalancing to do. The first place player died second and only had 59 kills, the guy who won had 703 kills and only ended up tied for third after a last minute rule change. I feel like you need to value going for the win more. If I were to make a suggestion, it would be that you should count winning the game as eliminating players. If you get a sacred site victory with 4 other players left, that should be an extra 20 points. That will also encourage last minute backstabs. Maybe I can't stop your sacred site victory. But I can take out my neighbor to reduce the points you would get for winning and give them to myself.

Now THAT was a game. Love that

wam: why is matiz dead? zerton: he angered the gods 🤣

Winner should get an extra point for every opponent alive fighting him. Since it is harder the more they are.

AMAZING game! I was very doubtful of the new rules. But if this is the result... well, it's very enjoyable to watch. Thanks Drongo! And congrats again on being a father.

Congrats to Don! Big brain play taking advantage of the new rules put in place. I’m not a fan of all these new rules, but at least the points were reset, and it’s the grand finals so the gameplay is intense! Crazy how in a Nomad FFA all you have to do is rush your neighbour first to win the most points. Why did I say congrats Don? 1puppypaw won that game. Wait, 1puppypaw was the fist eliminated, how’d he get first bold? I like how Don was playing 1VE, finished the game, and is only tied for second.. I’ve watched every Outback Octagon game, and this one frustrates me the most. Even the players in chat seemed more bitter.

I like the penalty for alliances but I think the 30 minute ending of non-aggression is a little excessive. Say I'm booming in order to fortify my base for wonder victory, it seems unfair to say "No you have to divert resources from that in order to try and kill your neighbor even if you're in no position to do so." Though I suppose you could just throw 5 spearman to die at your neighbor's gate every few minutes to avoid that penalty. Though you can't argue these new rules changed shit. 20 minutes and three guys were dead, compared to yesterday where an hour and 20 minutes there were still 7 players alive...

The survival style victories need additional points per player remaining, as it is harder to stay alive based on that number. Something like 5 points +2 per n-2 surviving opponents at the start of the trigger. Were that the case here, Don Artie would have gotten 5 + 2x(4-2), which is 9 for the SS victory. That just barely places him at #1.

Winner should get more points imo as Don was taking on 4 players at the same time, please increase the wonder/ss points to 10 next season when 4 or more players alive

Tempo, Excitement, Frustration and ACTION - that right there - thats the OO !

Yo i think sacred site Victory is harder than wonder and should get 20+ points because he just got lucky with spawn this time otherwise ss is super tough wonder you are building it in a ideal location and funneling all agression on 1 place. Whereas in ss you have to deal with a 3 pronged aggression

Man, not sure how it will work on a long run, but for now game became much more dynamic, as I even couldn't push myself starting watching 2hrs casted games. Thank you for keeping working on rules.

Thanks for the videos, I really enjoy even just listening to them at work, gets me through the day. Can’t wait to see who wins. Some fantastic players.

Great game, busted scoring system in my opinion. Don holds off 4 to 5 players and wins the game in convincing fashion and then doesn’t even get the most points for the game.

should make a rule that first place with 4+ kills is 20 points. would encourage people to get kills and still encourage winning. or something along those lines.

i personally didn't have any issue with teaming up. Politics is one of my favorite parts of this series, and the attempts to limit it are slowly taking away from that. This is not to mention how much more complicated the rules have become as a result.

probably the best match since The Mongol Island Wonder

“why is Matiz dead?” Lmao wam01 fuming

love the first blood and backstab rules!

I think that Don should have points for taking out enemies aswell. He killed 4 players. That is not normal, he should be leading

Great match , so glad you guys changed the rules should been like this since start , hopefully for next octagon if will happen one there will be the rules to punish alliances , there was more action in 20min of this episode than 2h of the last one lol

Great video! Don is a mad man! Love how he is playing!

Bummer for Snoopa, was shocked when he wasn’t in the game

Love everything going on here

Now that was a game and a half, good job on the new rules guys.

10 points is too much for first blood everything else is fine 5 is more than enough

After Don pulls a play like this and only ends up with 15 points. Feels bad man

Artie has black Air Force energy 😂

That was an incredible game

Love the new rules and this game was amazing

don artie on sacred sites : HA HA HA STYING ALIVVVEEEEEEE

intense last stand

so many points rules. My head's exploding.

wow, nice victory

Great game. Don Artie a chad as always ! Matiz could have moved out of Zertons way as he has a mobile base to be fair lol

I really enjoyed the long games. Still love the octagon Drongo! 🙂

Amazing game although feels like don underscored given his performance especially against someone like puppy paw who died right after rushing

This game was spicy 🔥

I like the declaring alliances rule.

Really wish Chinese got NOB emplacements on Towers.

The vil and mil graphs would be nice to see. A few sec each would be nice

Great game. However, I feel like the rules are getting needlessly complicated, which probably comes down to the fact that 8 player ffa is inheritently imbalanced (namely that turtling and teaming is OP). So a (rather drastic) rule suggestion to fix this and to change focus from player elimination to sacred site control: The match always ends after a maximum of 1 hour has passed Whoever held control of a sacred site for the longest at the end of the game and has not yet been eliminated counts as the victor. So if player A held one sacred site for the full 1h but player B held two sacred sites for 45min player B would count as the victor. On top of that, reduce points for player elimination, and make it more about surviving until the end of the game, and I think we would solve the problem of turtle games without the need of a referee enforcing some sort of arbitary "no teaming" rule.

Don Artist! Holland!

i wish there was a 8p nomad ranked queue

Don Artie :D the mastermind

Don Artie, Kasva, Core are my favorites

this was really fun to watch but its anyway not fear that 4 th place has more points then winner. 1 st place not metter what has to be reworded better

Nice

SS victory lets hope it gets a bit justice in future outback octagon games..but then I also feel that no one would go for wonder victory since early game SS victory seems much more viable after non aggression pact period all the matches would end within 1 hour pretty much reaching climax but still a short term climax, games would never reach to core part of wonder victory.

Wth was matiz thinking lol his choice handed Don the win

I'm seeing alot of "non-aggression pacts" in chat. If players can just do that instead of making allies, it won't cost them points. Also, people can talk outside the game and just pile-on a person that gets attacked without ever revealing they were allies in the first place. I.e. the Matiz + Zerton non-aggression pact and both attacking Puppypaw

Don Artie should have gotten the 12 points for the players he eliminated at the end. The second person eliminated shouldn't get more points than the person who won unless your point system is badly configured. Even simtom got more points for being defeated than the winner did. Poor rule-making.

Don't even feel like watching without MarineLord here. He played this series so well and easily deserved to be in the final. But he didn't play the dumb alliances and would have made it if these rules had already been in play. Instead we have to watch Dinkey King.

what map is this?

Drongo dad! You are the absolute best streamer/caster of AoE4 omg! I am so happy with the new rules you put up for the FFA. It was getting a bit ridiculous before and i think this will make a good difference to the FFA game quality in the future. Pls keep makin tournaments!

[Anti-teaming rule suggestion] Drongo, why not make it so "when the game starts, each player gets 4 'target players' and can only get points by eliminating those players"? If a player gets private messaged those 4 targets, then making alliances becomes really hard. Someone could easily backstab an ally for points. Also, since killing people that are not your targets won't give you points, you will probably refuse to double team non-targets if an ally wants to attack them. Using a "circle" logic, It is also possible to guarantee that players that have the same targets will also be target one of the other, avoiding the possibility of a 4v4 setup and avoiding 100% beneficial alliances. A bit complex to explain and setup, but for the players and viewers it's pretty simple: each player has to kill 4 targets and denny points from other players. If you want more explanations about it, feel free to reply me and I'll send you the info :)

DON FTW!

I would suggest only 1 ally and one player has to pay the other 3 points (or something) to make it a real cost benefit choice. People want to see alliances and diplomacy just not 4v1 steamrolls.

The alliance system is not good scrap it. Because of non agression can be mistaken for alliance when not agressing is just basic diplomatic strat against a stronger player. Player mistake: they should call out when they get attacked to encourage someone to attack the attacker's base. 1-3rd blood point is good. Making victory survive less points is also good. But i think having a 4 player wonder points even if it doesn't win should still get some points for wasting resource. 1st wonder per player, when there is 4 player.

i liked the other format with longer games and teams more

the new rules made it a little complacated for the players and viewers. But the Games where soooooo MUCH Better!

how is beasty not here?

Whoa! Crazy game. Loved it. BTW, when second edition ?

*Is beasty knocked out ?? of this*

make it so when you kill someone you take their points, your making to many nice rules for a FFA. your making it to easy for people to make alliances. the winner will have the most points and the people who died prior to the end of the match with have had points you can be that persons is 1st 2nd etc. and if someone does a wonder and wins they take all the points depending of how many alive. just make it ten points per death, and if someone wonders and another player kileld say 3 people for eg the will have had 30 points before death and the winner will have most etc

hey

Damn how badly were people trying to cheat in this?

Great game, matiz kinda threw tho

Spoiler: . . . . . Don Artie is a baller.

An idea someone had on twitch and ive been thinking about is maybe you start with x points and you lose points when stuff happen and maybe gain points when other stuff happens. So for instance you start the game with 10 points. Losing a landmark means -2 points. This could mean you choose to only have your starting townhall and worst case you end the game with 8 points. Or it could mean you play and repair landmarks you lose a lot and go deeply into the - because -2 points for townhall you repair it and it gets killed again thats another -2 points. You get 2 points per kill, if you win the game with wonder or ss it counts like you killed the other players. No points for placement and or winning(those are just the kills you make) Maybe not first blood, but kills within the first 30 min give +2 extra points. Im not sure what we can do against teaming and the matchfixed nature that can happen then. 5vs 3, then they kill (let themselfs die) the one with highest points so the whole team comes out with bonus points. maybe the rules you made in the finals. its just a idea, maybe people can jump in with good ideas! a few things about the last rules, i think if you make a non agression pact for the first 30 min it should not be broken. that should give a penalty. Think a rematch should happen when something happens like the 2 townhalls game. I feel like the players where not informed by the admin about rulings, like 1 game (you fixt it in the end) you did not give first blood but seeing the player chat, they thought it would be given to player x. Maybe a admin should type rulings in the game chat?

You could fix this imo much eazier. Give only points for kills and wonder victory.

Just an idea - but how about making the players play on fresh anonymous accounts, and otherwise letting things play out how they were before? I mean sure, they could message each other outside the game to let each other know what color they are, but there's no perfect solution and I think that at this stage, the honor system alongside anonymous player names would achieve the intended result of more aggression, less pre-teaming. Alternatively, making it where only 1st place gets points (or 2nd and 3rd just getting a small amount, combined less than half first place) would force end game action at least. And while I'm having fun spitballing her, what would eliminating landmark victories look like? Wonder if they would throw a monkey wrench into the alliance system at the mid/late game stage enough to let it play out in an exciting way.

i dumb choices of matiz made them lose

non agression pact rule is also gay

Lol, this is stupid, defend SS to 4 players and win only give Don 15 points. What is the purpose of the FFA? Not to win? Blindly fight 1v1. There will never be diplomacy in this settings. So bad

the rules seem over-complicated, why not just keep it simple? if you enter an ally they pull a kasva, both are down 6 points? seems excessive

chat rule is dumb

These rules are confusing and a lot

Too many rules now, some a bit stupid tbh.

Instead of all these rules change, Just ban in-game chat and all your problem is solved.

i understand alliances were problematic but these rules are ridiculous and almost impossible to enforce

Too many rules :-(. If you want to make it dynamic just deduct 1 point for every 10 minutes over 1 hr. Then you can keep the alliances going but weak inactive players will rather quit or get kills faster.

Maybe play with wincondition "King" it is harder to team up becouse sniping is really easy. You also putting down landmarks in other bases dont is helping you and bringing you king into another base lets you open for backstepping. It will not bring a solution to the teamup but it will help a bit. For more action, i would say aging up is only allowed if one players goes out. So only if one player left the game you can go to age 2 and only if 2 player in total left the game you can go up to castle and so on. Maybe we skip the kill in dark age but than you need to have 2 for castle. It brings in more early aggresion. You can also give extra points for this specific kill. So 3 points for a normal kill but 5 for the kill that allowes to age up ore somethink like this.

bullshit rule change tbh.. how does don not get most points wtf

Way too much of an overcorrection. I get people are excited for this game, but ram rushes will get real old real fast. The alliance rules rob the game of all the intrigue. What we needed was a minor tweak, not a complete reshuffle at the 11th hour. Get some sleep, Drongo, and have a good think about what kind of games you want and how to incentivize players toward that instead of re-prosecuting the last war.