Huh? I never killed 3-1,he was at the part I never killed anyone at,only gone on a massacre in the tunnels far from him.

I felt bad Killing shadows, so I always do a passive playthrough

Apparently some of these guys know Graves betrayed the 141 but the only reason they're still loyal to him is because he's the one filling their paychecks

@@farahahmedkarim377 of course you'd still be loyal. you work for a company after all. morality doesn't exist in the land of corporates.

@@HinokasArabfan1 as long as you want your pockets filled, who the fuck cares if you're committing war crimes?

Wtf was sheperd thinking for him to allow shadow do this 😂

As a Wiseman once said, "if you're not with me then you're my enemy."

@@truisticprince Only a Sith deals in absolutes

If he gave Graves orders to massacre Las Almas and kill TF141, why the fuck did he let Hassan go? Legality doesn't matter to him at all

@@farahahmedkarim377 It is not legality but rather the fact that keeping or killing Hassan is more of a liability since they still need to find the missiles to clean up Shepard mess. The missiles was the top priority for Shepard before Hassan.

Buddy US has done the most war crimes in the history of the world, you just gotta be an outsider to see that.

@@aniketnautiyal8697 Look at what Russia is doing bud

@@CrossOfBayonne i didn't say what Russia is doing isn't bad. I said the most war crimes done is by US themselves. The thing is that western media doesn't report it.

@@aniketnautiyal8697 Probably but there are sure plenty of other countries like for ex Germany that did far worse things than we did, Like for ex the Holocaust.

Shadow Company = PMC not US government

Yeah fuck them civies XD

So ghost didn’t die basically?

@@Gamers6325 Not yet

Wait but

Here answer my question: PLEASE TELL ME, WILL THE GHOST IN THIS ONE DIE EVENTUALLY, ALSO DID THE 2009 GHOST COME BACK TO LIFE IN THE REMASTERED VERSION BECAUSE THE GAME DEVS KNEW PEOPLE WERE SAD

then he shadowed all over the place, truly captivating

@@taylors2106 Truly one of the war criminals of all time.

@@Jesse11788 Jester 1-1 on approach ready for tasking what’s your position

@@taylors2106 This is Jester 1-1, flight of two F-15s, four HARMs for the section, standby for SEAD, over.

@@Jesse11788 Copy 1-1, weapons free in five seconds

As if today, they are, if you go look at his wiki page, you can see he was formerly Special Forces (probably green berets), but then again, this game came out recently and it's still fresh so, give it like, 2 months or so until everything is made.

They'll probably do so in MwIII.

He served as a green beret

@@deandanielson8950 Green Beret? He's got a Marine Raider skull patch on his tan vest.

If yall look at his operator bio in MP, he was force recon.

Lmao there Mexican who cares if they die

@@slavarossii_666lmao

It's so broken that it's funny

It's funny for a person who is used to the news in his country in the morning being that some random pig has entered a school and has killed 30 children.

@@felixibablan dude what? What in the actual fuck does that have to do with this? You and a game showed people getting killed in your country? I’d rather wake up to a shooting then the cartel cutting my loved ones heads off

Well, in all fairness, they're a private company. They don't have to operate by international jurisdiction.

Shit game bro

@@manohman8587 You havent played it

@@HinokasArabfan1 But morals tho...

@@BackBeater morals are on you.

Can’t really since you only play as actual 141 members besides that one mission as rodolfo and one as that one shadow company dude

Oohh that would be cool

that'd be a Treyarch move.

@@cdntrooper3078 also two missions as Shadow gunship weapon operator

I would've 100% done shadow company

Yes, and in the subtitle they are literally named "Sicario" (in short, footsoldier/killer for a cartel) The cop is explicitly corrupted and mention the sina nombre too

What about all dead civilians that are just laying about

@@Anarcho_Insurrection Dead civvies aren’t civvies if they are killed. That’s what locals get for supporting terrorists

Black Water is a real life Shadow Company.

It did actually, I commented about it

Indeed I mean the only reason they get away is because the government doesn't want there reputation ruined. And while it's true that all of these War-Crimes are inhumane and barbaric for I never approve of it, but there is one philosophical meaning of war is this called "there is no such thing as crimes in war."

Really? Is that Red Dead Redemption ​@@kytim89

@@brunsonator3423he means blackwater pmc, it was a real life company which inspired shadow company and also merryweather, murkywater

True. I'm not gonna lie, Infinity Ward has balls of steel.

@@SavageP.9000definitely would not go that far.. they could’ve done better and been more brutal but we live in a very sensitive world now so this is about what I would expect from Infinity Ward.

Morally wrong, yet effective in results

I’m Japanese and totally agree but more likely using former JSDF soldier and police counter terrorist unit to “clean up” Chinese mafia. But they will less likely to use guns because of strict restrictions and too populated city to those Sicario the movie staff.

But graves was wrong with information, they think the civies was fans of cartels, but they wasn't, if you look the subtitles the game says what they're civilians.

You just described Ashika Island

@@Objective-Neutral3725Do you hear what the civilians even say? They openly support and help the cartel

A downgrade

Nahhh they’re way scarier here than in 2009

@@venturatheace1 exactly, especially since you know them in this one

@@CrossOfBayonne nah it’s better than 2009

@@ichangedmynamebecauseitoff4950 I agree actually

a tank exploding? while also getting the turret blown up? not even plot armored americans can survive that.

@@HinokasArabfan1 what if he doesn't even in the tank

@@ArrowShaky remote controlled? not likely. tanks are operated usually by a crew of 3, driver, gunner and commander. likely got 2 others with him. and if we assume mexico bought the tanks from the US, it must be based on the abrams which is a 3 crew tank.

@@HinokasArabfan1 or he just radio from different place and just dif soldier controls the tank but who knows

Maybe it should be a ratio I mean nobody can't survive tank destroy.

I hope we gonna see more PMC vs PMC in MW3 . Shadow company vs konni.

wym graves isn’t done, hes dead, the only real one you’d be right about is Shadow Company, its likely implied due to their participation in the “Warzone lore” that Graves and all the shadow personnel under Shepherd are gonna be declared rogue elements by Shadow Corporate leadership to cover up, and will probably in the future still get contracts from western governments, much to the dismay of Price & co. But what can they do. I’m interested in how this will pan out when they bring in a reboot Makarov for MWIII, and with the introduction of the Konni (100% it will be based off of the real life PMC Wagner Group) in the mission where you play the shadow personnel transporting the missiles, its likely we’ll be seeing more PMC v PMC gameplay

@@captaf1 I don’t think he’s dead. It’s such a cheap death.

I hope Las Almas Cartel comes back, I loved neutralizing members of the cartel

I think it won't last long.

Same here

Same here x2

Shadow is cooler because it gives humanity to them honestly.

American War Crimes

Remember Shadow Company is a American Company so its American war crimes

internationally this would be recognized as american war crimes even though i understand this isn’t known by the U.S Government so they can’t be at fault from what i believe

MW3 - Makarov's War Crimes

This aged well...

@@BLOOD_SPORTXbroo…

I have a feeling Graves will return. I mean, Alex "died" in MW19 but then was confirmed to be alive in WZ S3. Perhaps they'll bring back Graves in WZ2? Or maybe even in the rumored Campaign DLC.

you can't see the body cuz it's in ashes within a flaming tank

​@@hongkong8907graves did return this time. He is not on the tank

I mean, he did have a reason…

@@Maerro2444 and Shepherd will presumably work with Makarov if I predicted it.

He was able to make me hate him that I realized how well written his lines are, and what a great job the Warren Kole's (Graves VA) performance was!

I honestly had no ill will against the guy up until he started shooting at 141. Yeah he's basically mini Shepherd, but has room to expand. To bad he's not an operator in MP currently. What's funny too I'm pretty Roze is the only American operator in MP which I just find odd (excuding the Ranger mil sim skin).

Yeah I like him too. He was a great ally and a pretty good twist villain. He's no General Shepard but his actor did a good job. The only thing I didn't like was that his boss was a pain in the a** and I wish we kill him face to face instead of seeing a tank blow up and that's it.

@@ViperPilot16 You forgot Hutch

warcrimes made me like graves

Lmfao this is such a stupid comment

@asami朝美 Lol this is such a retarded reply. Just pointing out lore facts here. No surprise you just some moron who just rushed through the game or hell didn't even play the game to begin with.

Finally someone said it. I don't really think he meant to betray 141, more like to not get them involved. He only shot at Varqueros 141 cuz they tried to kill him. He didnt prioritize killing them until they came to him. So Varqueros started it.

@lynxYT Yeah but to be fair Shadow Company were pretty much the ones that started it and asked for it when they arrested all of Los Vaqueros and took their base away without permission. And Los Vaqueros were the good guys who were willing to die fighting Las Almas corruption.

@@Tribal_Soldier he did it because he didn't want Varqueros 141 to see it. They would probably try to make him go by 141 ROE instead of shadow company's ROE.

Why

He killed lots of civilians too, just look at the houses, theres civilians bodies everywhere, also, he was being racist with all the Spanglish

Roze is out of Shadow Company.

Damn straight

🤨

😂 now imagine if the roles were reversed

​@@Tribal_Soldier based

They don't explicitly show it but it seems like they were just raiding the whole town and killing indiscriminately. It amazes me that americans don't seem to know PMC groups aside from rogue/ex military members are also composed of war criminals, ex convicts and people with shady backgrounds/upbringings who perform good at being violent. They are not cops.

Why would they have balls to do this? These are pmc’s killing cartel members and liquidating a cartel neighborhood/stronghold. This is what is supposed to happen irl, shadow co was doing the right thing, they were doing absolutely nothing wrong here, meanwhile you have 141 crying and whining about doing the “right thing” defending narcos and their sympathizers when they were no better themselves, mw2’s no Russian airport massacre is something that took balls to do.

The reason it's cringe is because it's just him being racist.

@@SavageP.9000he’s not racist

Graves has plot armor no kill

Headshot?

@@Ashwin_1198 nothing will work, he is invincible like the kids in skyrim

That's because he is being racist.

@@SavageP.9000 He's not

😂😂👍more like soldiers going on a cold-blooded murder spree

@@thebigman4523 they Can on the carteles and governments of Mexico 😐😐 they won’t even last a minute against Russians pmc’s

@@fretzwz4276 true but still.

Mendez?

Most likely, but let's not forget that it's mostly because of Shepherd.

@@carrotpldo you think Shepherd was working with Makarov or something

@@nicktron1225 Considering that Graves "sort of" mentions him in season 5's intro by saying that Shepherd's been occupied, there could be a slight chance of Shepherd and Makarov joining forces. Small theorycrafting didn't harm anyone yet.

​@@carrotplhe said hes been occupied because he doesnt want to mention the missles or anything that went down in mexico. Alex saying "heard you died in a tank in south America" then graves responding with "what else have you heard" is a sign that he didnt want anyone to know about it.

I'm sorry to hear that.

@@SavageP.9000 So here I see that Hassan is the good guy and the special forces are the bad guys

@@user-cb2gc3tw8o ?What about 141

@@SavageP.9000 ...I'm talking about these 141

@@user-cb2gc3tw8o .oh that's the shadow company

Nah. He definitely does it on purpose. I like that the stereotypes go both ways, he mocks spanish and definitely has a sense of superiority over the mexicans. But i think this is the portrayal of the military gringo who's not sharp at anything other than violence. They even refer to mexico as south america in the season 5 cutscene, so, really accurate. A double edged sword i guess.

probably disarm them before or after being killed. The police don't have their guns in their holsters when they're killed so probably the former.

One SC merc was consoling the crying girl after breaking inside their home, and being taken away from her father (who was about to get executed) so they didn’t want her to see it, and her mother which was more than likely a cartel sympathizer was screaming because her child was being taken away (probably got smoked afterwards)

And yet leaves the subtitles out

No mas habla

They're not all innocent.

@@kade-qt1zu don't you think i know that?

I like him

Search it up. Stop tryna comment of every video you see.