let’s be honest, he likes his kids with silverstream more because those kids are prettier

Let’s be honest, he only got with Millie because she’s a kitty pet like his childhood crush, FiReStAr

I personally believe that Graystripe, like Crowfeather and Leafpool, rushed into his relationship with Millie cuz he felt sad and alone, and therefore never actually built the kind of father-child connection he had with his old mate and kits. This doesn’t mean that he doesn’t love them ofc.. but like Crowfeather the relationship never really satisfied him because of the distance he had created between him and his family.

Actually, I think Graystripe wanted Jayfeather to save Millie and not the kits because of what happened with Silverstream. He cared about his kits, but he didn't want to lose another mate. But that's just my opinion.

*Graystripe is a BAD FRIEND* *Graystripe is a BAD DAD* Graystripe, geeze, you need to fix yourself XD.

To be honest, I feel like Gray being with Millie for her and not kits is pretty sweet. It shows that he's not just with her for the kits, or raising a family, but rather for companionship. You have to remember he lost his first mate to save the kits, so that's why he was telling Jaypaw to save Millie if it came down to it. He could grieve over his kits, but losing another mate would be unbearable for him, especially if she was lost the same way.

I'm honestly fine with the fact that he was mates with Millie for Millie not for their kits because the opposite is Finleap -_- also, he wasn't indifferent to his kits, he simply didn't want to lose another mate. He wouldn't be like 'okay millie's safe? yea, you can kill the kits, or keep em, idc' Other than that, great points.

Me: * sees Akira notification * Also me: *WhO hAs SuMmOnEd ThE aInCiEnT oNe*

Bruh okay Graystripe's Vow was good and then they just UP AND DESTROY THE MOONSTONE. Like gone. Done. Millions of little pieces. I.....Bruh. WHY is no one talking about THAT bit?

It seemed like he settled for Millie and never got over Silverstream and just throwing in the towel with their kits save for Briarlight whom (if I recall correctly) he and Millie doted over since she was a baby as she’s disabled which caused her siblings to attempt anything to get their parents attention. That’s a common thing in households where a physically/mentally disabled child is born if they have siblings. The siblings will feel like their parents don’t give them enough attention, so any attention is good attention. Greystripe falls under a category that happens more often then not: he doesn’t care as he’s ‘settled’ with Millie and didn’t bond with his kits as he probably should have. He’s the assent father that was still there but never made any effort.

I can see it... Greystripe sipping from a #1 Dad mug and his kids looking a him weird

This gives me memories of the hated child...

It really felt like Graystripe's Vow had something cut from it... It's amazing how smug the book was about having something big revealed. The entire time I was reading it felt like the book was taunting me: something is gonna happen, something is gonna happen... But it never did. What I think happened is; there was originally going to be a big reveal in the book, but the publishers decided to remove it becasue of people complaining about the Vision of Shadows super editions being required to fully understand the story.

A few things, and I'm not upset, and not because Graystripe's my favorite character. But so Stormfur is the only connection of Silverstream and Feathertail he has, so he misses him dearly, and he did, and still does love Briarlight,very much so, but sure it doesn't seem as much, but no one expresses as much love to someone that they live with every day. It doesn't mean they love them less, just don't express it as much. And at the point where hee asked Jaypaw that if it came down to it, to save Millie instead was because he didn't want to lose the love of his life, and have the traumatic experience again. The kits he wasn't as attached to at the moment, since he hadn't even seen them, or even know if they would live. Its a logical reaction. Back to Briarlight he didn't express as much feelings because he isn't as emotional. He's grown up from then. He kept his feelings to himself, I mean, just read what is said earlier in the book about his mom's death (cant remember her name, Willowpelt i think?). Plus, he still loves them, but Blossomfall and Bumblestripe are brats, and I think trying to help would be futile. Don't get me wrong, I agree with some points, but not most. I would definitely not go as far to say he's a bad father. Even if you think that, just remember what hes been through now. So much loss, but he still keeps his spirits up. If anyone wants to have a respectful debate on the topic in the comments, be my guest.

We all know that Greystripe was only with Millie because he has a thing for silver she-cats

In a way, Graystripe is the old readers. They think fondly of the original series; the new stuff is okay, but the original arc was the best! We were more" emotionally invested" in the old Clans. The authors could be telling us to stop living in the past.

My call: *ends* Akira:*Posts* Me: YEAH BOYYYYYY

I somehow genuinely forgot he had kids other than Stormfur and Feathertail despite being 100% aware that he’s mates with Millie and she has three kits. So I guess yeah... not the best dad.

As a Briarlight fan, I was sad that he barely even mentioned her.

The thing is, even though Graystripe has major biases towards Stormfur and Feathertail over his younger kits, he wasn't even a good dad to them either! Like after Stormfur and Feathertail were born, he joined RiverClan for the sole purpose of being with them, but Graystripe ended up abandoning them anyway because he frankly loved ThunderClan/Firestar/his old friends more than he loved his kits. Also, by joining RiverClan, betraying RiverClan, then going back to ThunderClan, Graystripe ended up making RiverClan/Leopardstar hate him even more than they did before, thus making life harder for his kits since they would be viewed as untrustworthy, like their father.

I’m sorry but for some reason calling his first litter by their names- Stormfur and Feathertail and then calling his second litter the three B’s literally made me cry😂. So did “Blossomfall and my other kin.” Also, in that quote, did anyone notice that he mentioned Squirrelflight first out of everhthing he missed in ThunderClan? He thought of Firestar’s kit before his own kits

Graystripe has never been a good adult figure to a younger cat. 1.) Totally ignored Brackenfur and pushed him onto the cat that was supposedly his friend 2.) totally ignored his kits w Millie I honestly think the only reason he ever showed affection to his kits w Silverstream is that they were her’s.

he might be a bad friend and a bad Dad but we all still love him

Noooooooo! Graystripe is a great dad........wait is he? **Thinks**

HOW DARE YOU DISRESPECT OLD MAN GRAYSTRIPE (now onto the video to see your probably correct points)

I think everyone is also forgetting about Graystripes past. Male cats back then were rather detached from their kits. We don't even know about his parents. And when Silverstream died, he thought his kits died too. He was forced to give up his clan for them and live amongst enemies. He was more devoted to them because he was all they had. He was a lot older he had his other three kits. He had less struggles trying to keep them alive. Maybe he also didn't want to form more attachments in case he lost them. He lost everyone else he loved, after all. They had Milly. There could be many reasons why he couldn't or wouldn't bond with his second litter.

I think he just didn't want Millie to die like Silverstream so that's why he said save her.

The ending makes you wonder, how will Greystripe truly die after seemingly getting the conclusion for his life. Keeping him around is just sad

I’m somewhat glad they went this route in the book. He’s shown obvious hints of favoritism before, so I kind of like that they leaned into it, instead of trying to convince us that he’s actually this flawless cool guy when that’s never been his actual character

Who else is watching during their online classes? 🔥😂👌 Fire video Akira! I’m glad I’m subscribed!

Yeah, but Blossomfall and Bumblestripe weren't the best kits either...

Until this video I forgot Bumblestripe, Briarlight, and Blossomfall were Graystripes kits.

Graystripe being with Millie for Millie and not their kits is actually very cute and I love that

Don't you just love how he had more attachments to the ones he didn't fully raise and wasn't around often than Millie's? Don't get me wrong I love Feather and Storm and prefer them but still cmon Graystripe

Well, I think he was a good dad for Stonefur and Feathertail, he left Thunderclan to raise them, but he wasn't a good dad for Millie's litter. However, if you think abaut it, how many good dads are in Warriors? I don't remember many interactions beetween dads and kittens.

Akira: uploads Me: clicks on immediately

I thought Graystripe was gonna bring back a shard of the Moonstone to reunite the Clans with StarClan

I've always liked gray stripe, oofie

it kind of irked me when i was reading the book- like bruh think about your three children not your hot replacement or your first hot wife or first hot daughter plEASE

Let's be honest, y'all!😌 Graystripe's just upset they're not Firestar's children!🤓

Now we know why Bumble has a clingy nature! Like father like son! _haha_

" I have one kit, his name is storm fur, I have one mate, silverstream."

*hears a spoiler about when Briarlight dies* I’ll pretend I didn’t hear that.

I know this probably wasn’t intended because at the day these books are kind of badly written, but I always liked to think that Graystripe was distant from his kits with Millie because he was afraid to have that relationship again, considering what happened to his first family. His mate died, his daughter died, he’ll barely ever see his son again. By not getting close to his remaining children he’s sort of protecting himself from potentially experiencing the same overwhelming loss. Still a bad dad, but I thought it was an interesting dynamic that I wish was explored more.

remember, this is the cat who thought Mistystar was his daughter

I’m stupid because I was like “FIRESTAR DIES HE CANT-“ but now I’m noticing, if firestar didn’t die, there wouldn’t be Bramblestar 🤦🏼‍♀️

I like how akira posted as soon as I got a break for online class

Not to mention that the Greystripe's Vow cover looks like literal DARKSTRIPE

Graystripe was a good dad to his first litter. He left thunderclan to be with them but I found it sad that he was a bad father to his second litter.

In the books, its made clear that Graystripe does not want to lose his second mate like he lost silverstream

Bad friend, bad dad, bad looks that’s Graystripe.

I honestly forget that Bumblestripe, Briarlight, and Blossomfall are his kits LOL. 😂😂😂

Me at begining: Bruh. HES MY FAVORITE CHARACTER!! Me after words: He/She has a point

*When you love and adore Graystripe-*

Okay but lets be real. Who can blame him for not loving Bumblestripe?

Graystripe just wants his gameboy back when Silverstream exploded

I hate how the book series showed that a fling of teens could be as important as a deep relantionship with a person who you have spent your entire life life and who you have children with. Firestar was really yound when he fell in love with Spottedleaf (do you, folks, treat seriously your love stories from childhood now?) but he was considering choosing her in Starclan instead of Sandstorm (yes, Erin Hunter killed Spottedleaf forever just because they thought it could be hard for Firestar to choose between these two she-cats). Crowfeather - when he was an apprentice - spent few weeks with Feathertail but he seems to be ready to consider her as his girlfriend in Starclan (when he has to choose between her and two she-cats who he had close relantionships with and who gave him kits). Graystripe is an another example of this craze. He was a young adult when he fell in love with Silverstream but he seems to love her much more than Millie and he doesn't know if he should choose her in Starclan.

The amount of spoilers I've gotten from these videos😂

I can't begin to tell you how overwhelmingly disappointing Greystripe's Vow ended up being. I was really hoping as a super edition of this premise, we might get another Bluestar's Prophecy where we would get the opportunity to actually see Greystripe as a kit and all the nostalgia and flashbacks would culminate with the "release" of Starclan back to the moon pool and Greystripe's death. I wanted the gap between his kithood and meeting Fireheart to showcase all the things we didn't get to see. Why was his mother's death in Firestar's Quest met with such indifference? Where was his father? There were so many questions that could have been answered all accumulating into a final farewell as he goes to join everyone he has lost. He's the last and keeping him going while watching him mourne the loss of literally everyone every time he woke up cold and alone in the elder's den. Instead, We get a total jumping the shark story that results in absolutely nothing. He came back to the forest no better off after over 30 chapters of nothing. Unrelated note: I haven't had the opportunity to say this, but am I the only one who kinda feels like Warriorclan is a bit of a good natured ribbing (or perhaps lowkey mocking), of Warriors fans? The constant debates over rules, names, traditions...kinda felt like Greystripe was an original writer amongst the petty squabbles on the warriors wiki forum.

There’s been so many super editions lately we’re gonna get Thornclaw’s Patrol soon!

Atleast greystripe is there for his kits, I’m still looking for my dad...

It would be pretty sad if he wasn’t in a relationship with Millie for Millie. That’s how a relationship should be. Children are something you can decide you want but you shouldn’t be it presumably for children. That’s a Finleap way of thinking. Greystripe didn’t care if they had kids or not and that’s awesome. He just wanted to be by her side

I feel like Graystripe just feels more indebted and bad about how shittily he treated Storm and Feather and probably how he felt somewhat responsible for their mother’s death and his guilt is just overpowering

I thought this title said "Graystripe bad bad" and giggled

0:43 You clearly have been watching Minecraft videos

What i made of graystripes feelings for millie was that they were more platonic, and that he considered her to be more someone who always stayed by your side through your adventures, and not all the kissy stuff.

now I wanna cry that made me emotional

5:50 This is not true. He said that because he didn’t want her to end up like silverstream, not because he didn’t care about their kits.

I dont care that Graystripes a bad dad I still love him

It said this vid was posted 25 minutes ago-- good job, Akira

I think that greystripe is just afraid to be in love with some one because everyone that he loved died so he refused to get attached

Since we're on the subject of Graystripe's Vow... I have a theory on how they could get back in touch with StarClan. Two theories, actually. SPOILERS FOR VEIL OF SHADOWS AND GRAYSTRIPE'S VOW (Don't want to ruin for anyone) OPTION 1: In a Veil of Shadows, we found out that StarClan was somehow trapped in that den in the Dark Forest, right? What if we got the cats who used to travel into the Dark Forest (Breezepelt, Ivypool, Birchfall, Thornclaw, Tigerstar II, etc.) to go there, and try and destroy the den?? Would that maybe free StarClan? OPTION 2: It's been said many times how Feathertail can travel between StarClan and the Tribe of Endless Hunting. Maybe Feathertail can take messages from StarClan, go to the Tribe of Endless Hunting, and take a message to Stoneteller. Stoneteller could then send a cat down to the Lake (Stormfur or Brook most likely since they've been there) and deliver the messages. Of course, this is a loooonnng journey so Option 1 is probably best. Comment down below on what you think. I'd be happy to see what people think of my theory.

reading the coments and i think... so this is the day when we are coming out from the closseted firegray ship because im prepared...

you see that any doctor favors saving a mom over the child. after all, you can have more kids if the mom is alive. its pretty crude but i think graystripe followed the same logic so i dont think this argument was very good

The fact that he was with his second litter from beggining to present and cares about them less then Stormfur and Feathertail, kits that he was with only a few months of their lives even adds to the sadness. Nice one Graystripe. (sorry for my bad english)

He loves them all, and all the points you make are very valid but I have to disagree when you go as far as saying hes a bad father. You shouldnt blame him for the decisions of his kits; he already went through having kits and given the fact that his former mate and one of his kits died early, it's hard to hate him for the losses he had. While I do agree that he probably thinks his Riverclan kits are "prettier.", he askedJayfeather to save his mate over his kits because his mental state couldnt handle to have his former mate and his children die, right after he tried to sort things out with his love life . The way you describe this scene is almost as though he wanted his kits do die. Stormfur may remind him of a happier time in his life than the kits he has in Thunderclan, but that doesnt mean that he loves Feathertail and Stormfur more than Briarlight, Blossomfall, and Bumblestripe, and definitely doesnt make him a bad father. The risks he takes for his kits in his early life just goes to show that he would risk his loyalty and respect of his clanmates just so his children could be happy. Greystripe made some questionable decisions in his life, but so did countless other characters. This is just my opinion, though. Feel free to dislike who you wish

How do you not have 100k+ subscribers? Your content is incredible!

even though you have great points- *_graystripe still best man_*

Yes. He does not pay attention to them. But let's be real: that's because Graystripe had no book time. That would be like saying "Firestar doesn't love Sandstorm because he doesn't spend time with her in the second series!" even though Firestar had very little book time. Why does this make Graystripe bad but not Firestar? Yeah, Firestar addresses Sandstorm, but we have NO IDEA what went through Graystripe's head when Brierlight died. I disagree with this video strongly.

I think he regretted marrying a Karen the second time...

I wonder if gray stripe loves sliver stream more and that’s why he favorited feather tail and storm fur

No views, 5 likes, 3 comments ok yt also I can't see the comments stop the vodka youtube

And I thought Spiderleg was the only bad father in Warrior Cats.....

Okay, but honestly he was left to raise his first kits alone and even left his clan to raise them in RiverClan. The only good thing that came out of that were his kits so I could image having a partner would make him at least more hands off raising with his second litter

Graystripe only paired up with Millie because she reminded him of “Silverstream”. Like what the heck!

The sub statistics reminds me a lot of dreams intro.

briarlight was only mentioned 4 times in GV because it takes place before she was born and after she died. Of course his other kits are going to be mentioned more because they're alive and active characters in the book.

Akira uploading on a Wednesday? Impossible!

Reading the first series with Greystripe, his life was happy Until it came to an end

I'm surprised no-one mentioned the "small percentage of people who watch my videos are subscribed" in the beginning You shocked me there to use it :0 (even tho I'm used to hearing this on YT pretty often)

I thought the title said greystripe is a BAD BAD XD

Always has been

Love your new intro my dude

I feel like maybe the reason Graystripe never built a relationship with his kits is the same reason with Crookedstar and Rainflower, after Briarlight lost use of her back legs Graystripe was worried he would lose Briarlight and then Blossomfall and Bumblestripe because he worried they would get hurt to so that's why he never got close to any of his kits.

Idk what to say really. Greystripe is an old cat with a long life, and like everyone, had some flaws. I honestly think the only reason he didn’t have that much of a connection with his kits was because he truly loved Silverstream more and they weren’t her kits, if that makes sense? I haven’t read the books for years, so I basically forgot everything about Grey’s relationship with his offspring.

graystripe thinks more about firestar than his mates in the book

Omg gray strip just troughs his body around like nothing

3:36: Blossomfall and my "Other Kin" Poor Bumble

Woah! You posted on a Wednesday?? What's this dark magic? 😂😂

One of the saddest death, Briarlight