Without so much as a wooden cart to duck behind.

+PsylomeAlpha At the very least, they could have their shields up.

+Brandon Korner They didn't use their shields when a load of archers with the skill of artemis herself were trying to kill them. I think you're expecting a little too much from these lads

While gripping it by the sides

I'm sure they all had to sign waivers saying that the Achaean and Trojan kings are not responsible for any injuries from stray Javelins and shields that fly out of the dueling space.

Helen of Troy: Beige Cut 300: Beige Cut Emoji Movie: Beige Cut

And stopping it on and off lol

Those are called historical advisors

"Don't throw it down, throw it at him!" Made me laugh way too hard.

I am not British, but I do qualify...

No wonder the siege of Troy lasted for ten years.

This is probably why everyone was scared shitless of the Spartans. They did not fuck around.

Usually the enemy retreated because the shear shock of your relentless swinging. It was an unspoken rule that who ever stopped swinging first, lost the battle.

¿What?

Blah b yeah the moment the russians invented space really ended a lot of fighting

Logic and paying attention to the film puts Cinema Sins to shame.

every film critic to ever exist puts cinemasins to shame.

@Jonathan Bell Doesn't the fact that it ruins the movie for you mean he's right about his criticisms? :P

@@NLTops Yes. Doesn't make the video fun to watch.

@@putakunta1768 Well you're not forced to watch it...

+Jonathan Hughes To be fair given in the Iliad Paris shows up to this duel in a leopard skin and ceremonial golden armor (looking fabulous) while Agamemnon shows up in, you know, something practical, that's just Paris staying in character ;)

+Frank Davies Ah, and another mistake from the movie. You see, Agamemnon never dueled with Paris, that was Menelaos.

+Eeli Tanskanen Oh right, I forgot. :P Yeah, Menelaos fights in lieu of Agamemnon. Also Paris loses terribly then goes crying to Aphrodite

Frank Davies Yeah what a loser! :D

Maybe it's reflexes?

you know I was reading and expected this to end with use their side arms lol or their knives

+notbobby125 If firing your assault rifle in standard manner (two handed grip, butt tucked into shoulder whilst aiming down the sights) proves inaccurate, try changing to a single-handed grip and turning your rifle on it's side 'gangsta' style.

+notbobby125 it does happen just look winter soldier in when assault rifle didint work next logical choise was goin to melee with an super soldier

+notbobby125 So lucky we are that there were no slingshots in medieval and Renaissance. Otherwise only historical technique we would know is shooting pommels with slingshot. It's surely ultimative. (Why didn't they use simple slings tho?)

Noldo they were in use in riots and midle east , arrows and crosbows were more effective in military use

+spigotsandcogs me too

This is a brilliant idea.

+Gabriel Belmonte Best idea

I agree

+spigotsandcogs I would PAY for this to be a series.

They'd be asking why did no one throw a pommel

nobody was ended rightly

They would probably ask what kind of magic device is this that shows moving paintings...

+Adagamante Fair point.

gg skallagrim subscribers

"Camelot!" "Camelot!" "Camelot!" "It's only a model." "SSSH!"

Because its said in the myths and legends that the Trojans who fled troy during its destruction by the Greeks found and created rome.

I thought He said Random Costumes

Unfortunately the Trojan War took place over 2000 years before such advanced dueling techniques were developed.

lol101lol101lol10199 when you said real techniques, i already knew what your going to say next

HAHAHA. Holy shit that took me by surprise. I laughed harder than I have in ages. I usually don't comment on videos, but I had to let you know that that made my day. :D

YESS!!!!

But... what if the pommel is blocked by a shield? It is already enstablished that not even medieval full plate armour can stand it, but maybe shields can??

You win the "Paris in Troy (2004)" With The Trojan Horse Award.

Chris D It's filled with PommelBees.

you said ultimate twice

And why go by anime or even video game boss fight rules ?

Meanwhile Sans attacks hard and fast at the beginning, then he wonders, "why does everybody save their strong attacks for later?"

If he does this for modern movies, a good technique is the "shoot in any direction but the one your opponent is in"

Symon Mailhot 4 bloody years and someone responds

I have seen in Italian films too.

Ah, but I too am left handed!

Still my favorite sword fight comedy scene!

I think the movie makers just raided the studios costume department and took whatever they could fine. The rest of the movie sucks anyway so I'm not surprised that they didnt care about things like historical accuracy.

Hollywood doesn't like reality. It's bored by it.

Rob Roy!!!!!

Who?

Monty Python and the Holy Grail was almost as silly looking as actual combat.

Count of Monte Cristo did a pretty good job IIRC.

it looks like something from the 70's

John Steinbeck It's a grave offence against the actual story of Troy. Brad Pitt's Troy was equally shitty.

I watched it at the time of broadcasting... I'm not proud of it. But back in those days, There was no Netflix, and each blockbuster (look it up) rental was $3/night. Yeah, this movie was the equivalent of clickbait but it was cheap entertainment and even Hollywood movies weren't much better (required cultural prerequisites included "Simon Birch" and "Field of Dreams" - dark days indeed). Luckily, I was smoking weed while watching, so that helped make it more pleasant. Being familiar with the story, I remember being disappointed though.

Reverend Anton Ah ha ha ha ha!! That was great! And I suppose since these bronze age swords are iron, the iron age gladius will be bronze! XD

Roswynn D'Cannith They'll never see it coming!

Reverend Anton LOL XD

Reverend Anton Brilliant!

***** It would still not be its primary use. Gladii were built to stab, as you well know.

Wait wait a minute, are you telling me they can't run over water and cause a man's head to explode by punching the right pressure points?

@Krok Krok Red Cliff? I just watched the trailer. Drop dead laughing, Red Cliff is about as relaistic as Lord of the Rings.

Fuck no

Lol at least Chinese movies are way more entertaining then the awful garbage that comes from Hollywood lmao. Just watch the killer and hard boiled!

Couldn't agree more. BUT YOU JUST HAVE TO BURST INTO LAUGHTER WITH THOSE ZINGING JAVELINS

not really, if you don't pay attention to details much, you acctualy enjoy this kind of movies, they do it to exagerate things

hmmmm... could he be a combat consultant for "mystery science theatre 3000" ?

Wrong, this isn't even a question of accurate fighting, it's an issue of piss poor storytelling. You do NOT need to miss your fighting partner to ensure their safety, you do that by cuing your attack, letting them dodge, and then once they're out of the way, swinging your attack THROUGH the space that they were in, in order to create the illusion that yes, yes you are trying to fucking kill them here. With proper practice, timing, and rehearsal, this should be safe AND effective storytelling, but noooo we get people widely missing their marks when there is absolutely no reason to do so. This is incredibly basic stuff. Who fight-directed this movie again? Did they even get a proper fight director on board?

Bruised Banana The things you mentioned have nothing to do with storytelling. Its about fight choreography. You're right about all the problems with it but it has nothing to do with the story. There's extremely few films to have realistic fight choreography. A real life fight wouldn't even involve any clashing of the blades. The fights would probably be over in a few seconds.

gilgamesh310 Oh, when I say storytelling I mean more along the lines of conveying a specific narrative through fight choreography, not the overall plot of the movie. So for example, if you want to convey the message that you are taking the fight seriously and you want to defend yourself properly, holding your shield in front of you would be a good way of creating the story of someone who's trying to defend themselves, versus the story of, say, a fighter who is cocky and is fooling around by not holding their shield properly. It's bad storytelling when you execute the choreography in a way that is inconsistent with your characterization and the story that you're telling. Like in this video's case, it's not realistic that a fighter would swing his sword so far away from the target he's trying to kill. So yeah, I was thinking of in terms of the narrative implied/created by the visuals, not the overall story of the movie. Hope that clarifies things! I think that blade-clashing caaaaan work as long as it's not the "haha we're gonna hit our swords against each other in mid-air whoo hoo isn't this fun" type of blade-clashing, but I think that again, everything has to go back to the story, or shall we say, "image" that we want to create. In a movie medium, lots of parrying/blocking and long fights serve the purpose of conveying the message that the people fighting are equals. If the fight is extremely short, that tends to convey the message that one party is overwhelmingly stronger than the other, which might be at odds with the story we want to tell through the fight. I think that ultimately there needs to be a balance between the dramatic needs of the story and realism; depends on the tone of the movie and what kind of image that you're trying to create, I guess.

See Lord of the Rings and focus on Aragorn if you want to see some well practiced and pretty realistic sword fighting. He was trained by someone that is actually a swordsman and specializes in medieval combat, mainly close quarters.

Maybe it's a subtle reference to Aeneas and his band of Trojans. But I doubt it.

Well the armour in the movie looked decent. And thats it..

@Ken Penalosa mope, they were not...

moonasha I didn't know that. One thing I remember from a documentary is that apparently they were fat, almost like sumo wrestlers, instead of the buff 6 pack body builder image we have today.

SabreXT Yup, the fat was to allow bleeding to entertain the viewers but also to make sure that internal organs weren't damaged.

that was for the show, in real wars or duels no one fought like that

PsylomeAlpha If they were made of lead then they would be bludgeoning each other to death rather effectively. Recently while channel surfing I came across the 2011 "Three Musketeers" movie. I could easily imagine an apoplectic Lindy sputtering for a couple of minutes before finally managing to blurt out, "No. Just.......no." What a waste of Matthew Macfadyen.

For the most part, the fights in Game of Thrones are actually quite good and pretty realistic. You can tell they are MUCH better choreographed than the film in this vid.

TheCrimsonIdol987 And what should be this? Snow's feets, knees… and he is bending back?! dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9110386/Snow.webm

***** True, that is strange, but for the most part the fights are better choreographed.

***** Hahaha! He's dragging his feet in the mud! Maybe at that point in the fight, his character was exhausted? Nah. You shouldn't resort to bad techniques just because of that. But as Crimson mentioned, *for the most part* the fights are better choreographed. Even though there's still that stereotype with all the two-meter tall warriors using oversized weapons and not being very agile.

TheCrimsonIdol987 Better choreographed to be more realistic, yes. Actually swordfights, no. The technical skills of their blade masters are horrible if they thing that is swordfighting.

Bit harder when you can say "magic did it" or "that's how elves are" or other all purpose answers like that

game of thrones is actually pretty realistic, not 1vs1 fighting, fast kills, mostly realistic swords and so on

For the most part its alright. The first few fights were pretty bad though, specifically Jaime VS Ned. Plus, Oberyn is pretty unrealistic, but other than that, most fights were really well done. ESPECIALLY The Hound VS Brienne.

5lav there are alot of 1v1 fights aka DUELS OF MONEY and whatnot

Brienne vs. Jamie. Lots of swordrubbing.

xXMcFreakinXx Are you kidding me? The Hound vs Brienne is THE WORST fight in GoT.

Look up the fencing scene from the Polish film "The Deluge." It's quite high on my list.

Rob Roy, Kingdom of Heaven, heck even Troy was miles better than this.

Excalibur (1981) Polanski's Macbeth Monty Python and The Holy Grail

Scaramouche has a fantastic fencing scene.

Well, best would be the Deluge and With Fire and Sword I'd say... Best doesn't mean any good though.

Cartoons have been mostly replaced with CGI. You will never see another Lion King or All Dogs Go To Heaven.

CGI has the same benefit: You can make the characters actually move like they're trying to kill eachother without having human actors actually endangering eachother's lives a little bit (blunt sword props of proper weight can still fuck you up real good).

Yes. I count CG as "cartoons," maybe I should have phrased it better... :P

Even in animation, it's still not fixed, at least in video games. The most egregious in my opinion is the Total War series, where soldiers are much more content to attack each-other's swords and bang on their opponents shields than actually attempt to stab the bloke trying to kill them.

True facts

I think the point of the 300 movies is to be fake on purpose so that everyone just looks ridiculously badass. They don't even wear armor!

YES XD

Shane Riggs I never noticed that they didn't wear armour. :0

300 rise of an empire is a parody and comedy.. to make a video about its wrongs would take forever.. just make a video about its RIGHTS... its only 2-3...

300 isn't supposed to be historically accurate, though. It's not even based off of actual Sparta, it's a movie adaptation of a comic book.

Thus ending him wrongly

It´s only turn 20, they didn´t research it yet.

+PelenTan It might just be a certain demographic of bitter people who tend to dislike everything. i tend to spam likes on videos I like as a show of support. i see liking videos as a form of vote :P

Are you still alive? It’s been 7 years

@@lusiusquietus7510 yea bro whats up i dont remember this video at all

i remember lindybeige just not this video

Honestly, if martial arts actors can duck underneath a proper kick, then these actors can learn to duck underneath a well aimed half-strength swing with a blunt sword

Scawking bit of a difference..a well aimed kick hurts...I have been on the receiving end of one...but a sword strike..even with a blunted sword at half strength can do some damage that a kick won't. It's timing is all. He ducked before the strike was really in frame. Like I said they didn't take the time to practice.

Probably because the costume department didn't know better, and thought they were being smart making the link between Trojans and Romans...

„Yeah, the Romans were descendants of the Trojans” I hope you say this in relation to the fiction novel called Aeneidis, while not believing the book. Or I would think you suffer from a Balkan malady who tends to give the bad habit of assuming some nation invented all and was the pillar of all humanity. Well, is not sure what Troy was, some say was some part of a Anatolian confederation of city states under the Hatti, and for sure Rome had nothing to do with them or the Greeks of the early period, except implementing some Greek things latter.

it was in the script , Im sure it was fully sourced and researched in that restaurant in naples the week before the production started

@@VasileIuga This is how I understand it too, Troy was an Anatolian-speaking polity possibly named Truwisa, part of a Hittite confederation. They would have had armor, weapons and clothing styles more like the ancient Anatolians than anything Roman, which came centuries later. The Aeneid was just a Roman propaganda attempt to link Rome to the heroes of the Greek Classical age to flatter Augustus Caesar by comparing him favorably to Aeneas. I'd really love to see an actual Anatolian panoply. Might be one of those things lost to history like the color of a dinosaur's eyes.

+Stratplayer05 I honestly doubt they had kind of choreography. It looks more like early cinema swashbuckling, Eroll Flynn and such.

+Zamolxes77 That would make sense. Although isn't the movie not all that old?

Stratplayer05 No is not old, but I never heard of it either, so it was probably a direct to dvd release or miniseries, aka cheapskates.

+Stratplayer05 Looks like they're aiming specifically to hit their opponent's blades.

+Wolfred Bane Yeah, I'm pretty sure that is what they're doing.

Yes. And cut away the nose guard. Otherwise the not so bright viewer wouldn't know who is who under this helmets. Not that the fancy clothes and armor would give them way...

I know right. I love when lanky middle aged men showcase combat techniques like they’re a good example of how effective they would be

***** lol i know but getting hit with a piece of metal can still bruise you up or give a fat lip

KingBongHogger Yeah, but just because you have to have certain safety precautions doesn't mean that your choreography has to be this daft.

Aye, but that still doesn't excuse the shield fighting

not if you do it slowly and speed it up a little !

If the choreography is well planned and the actors well practiced for this scene, the techniques should not have to be this atrocious. If they practice with foam props long enough until any and all blows are expected, and where needed choreographed with cues to make the more dangerous hits very easy to know when they are coming (such cues can be planned to be hardly visible for the camera or completely out of view), then these scenes should not at all have to be dangerous. In my absolutely amateur opinion, that is. My guess is either they did not think it was worth it to hire historical fighting consultants meaning the guys responsible for the fights had little idea what they were doing, or they knew the actors are not in any way skilled fighters so they purposely choreograph fights with combatants aiming nowhere near their opponents in case they screw up. Because it would cost too much money and effort to teach the actors how to do it properly, and frankly most of their audience will not notice or care anyway.

He did do a small vid in the early days on braveheart.

He'd get fired sometime during the first fight scene because they'd be spending all their shooting time fixing the errors they're making and the director would get fed up with it.

I think he had mentioned has was the 'historical aid' for a movie once but they by and large ignored him :(

Cakevspie94 I thought that was a friend, and a different film. But yes.

Cakevspie94 What movie exactly?

SkullHeroLord It might have been 300... he couldn't say in specific. I will do some more looking!