Great Players of the Past -- Adolf Anderssen, with GM Ben Finegold

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Chess Club and Scholastic Center of Atlanta

Chess Club and Scholastic Center of Atlanta

3 жыл бұрын

GM Ben Finegold discusses three games of Adolf Anderssen as part of the Great Players of the Past series. This lecture was recorded September 8, 2020, at the Chess Club and Scholastic Center of Atlanta (CCSCATL) in Roswell, Georgia.
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@loulasher
@loulasher 3 жыл бұрын
Giri-draw jokes are the real 'evergreen' here.
@ssik9460
@ssik9460 3 жыл бұрын
Did this man predict the suez crisis
@masonarturo6002
@masonarturo6002 2 жыл бұрын
i know Im asking the wrong place but does someone know of a tool to get back into an instagram account..? I was stupid forgot my account password. I would love any tips you can give me.
@alfonsocarlos285
@alfonsocarlos285 2 жыл бұрын
@Mason Arturo Instablaster =)
@Mattymcx
@Mattymcx 3 жыл бұрын
“Its double-check. Wait let me make sure... yeah its double-check I doublechecked.” 😂😂😂
@0xf7c8
@0xf7c8 3 жыл бұрын
Well, ackchually...he checked that he double-checked.
@tranquil_cove4884
@tranquil_cove4884 3 жыл бұрын
i looked at all the games where morphy lost, and in all of them he spotted a knight, or was sick, or it was the 15th game of a 15 game match and morphy had won the first 14 games and was giving the other guy a pity win. pretty rare to see morphy get outplayed like this. anderssen was really on his game.
@rajbhattacharjea6648
@rajbhattacharjea6648 3 жыл бұрын
Ben says to always look at switching the move order in tactical lines. This idea really helps!
@SelfReflective
@SelfReflective 3 жыл бұрын
"It's September 8th, 2020...unfortunately..." - I hope one day will be able to look at this comment and enjoy it without the menacing connotations it brings.
@RoyLGamer
@RoyLGamer Жыл бұрын
Yeah things are slightly better now
@SelfReflective
@SelfReflective Жыл бұрын
@@RoyLGamer Ha ha, how lucky we were, eh?
@yunglean4387
@yunglean4387 3 жыл бұрын
So glad Ben is still doing proper chess lectures! Instalike!
@scarscrews
@scarscrews 3 жыл бұрын
A 50+ minutes Ben Finegold lecture ? Is it Christmas again ? FELIZ NAVIDAD
@jcorona984
@jcorona984 3 жыл бұрын
The answer is fries 🍟
@LukePettit
@LukePettit 3 жыл бұрын
I'm buying shares in that kid. He sounds like a 1700 7 year old
@andrewptob
@andrewptob 3 жыл бұрын
Gamer Ben. 🕹
@qrsimon
@qrsimon 3 жыл бұрын
It's kinda funny right
@iwanabana
@iwanabana 3 жыл бұрын
This reminds me of the quote on Tal, Botvinnik and Petrosian doing sacrifices. Pray, and keep going vs just resign :)
@alexlopez4
@alexlopez4 3 жыл бұрын
The guy said ‘Judit Polgar’! He was too polite to correct Ben. 😂
@81OH4Z4RD
@81OH4Z4RD 3 жыл бұрын
I heard Susan Polgar, Judit's sister.
@Antipodeano
@Antipodeano 3 жыл бұрын
He definitely said Susan.
@aaaaaaaaabaaaaaaaaa
@aaaaaaaaabaaaaaaaaa 3 жыл бұрын
No it was definitely Judit, you can hear the J sound and you can definitely hear her name ends in "it".
@royfeigel2535
@royfeigel2535 3 жыл бұрын
@@Antipodeano He said Judith
@ishanjoshi1350
@ishanjoshi1350 3 жыл бұрын
Its one of those, "It's white and gold!" "No it's black and blue!" The guy was unclear enough on the call for it to have been Susan or Judith. I heard Susan but I could be convinced that it was Judith.
@petersiegfriedkrug
@petersiegfriedkrug 6 ай бұрын
Ben is so amazing. He is so good at entertaining people and knows so much about chess.
@andsviat
@andsviat 3 жыл бұрын
That last game was really impressive. Looks superb.
@aaab6054
@aaab6054 2 жыл бұрын
According to Wikipedia "{En Passant} was not universally accepted until the Italian rules were changed in 1880" so it may or may not have been an accepted rule in the 1851 game.
@angc214
@angc214 3 жыл бұрын
Been waiting for this one for a long time. Anderssen and Morphy are my favorites from the romantic era of chess.
@atwarwithdust
@atwarwithdust 3 жыл бұрын
“Three possible endings” - like the movie Clue!
@anttt7993
@anttt7993 3 жыл бұрын
Wow, a very obscure Alice in Chains reference. I continue to be surprised!
@Evilanious
@Evilanious 3 жыл бұрын
If you are German before 1871 it doesn't mean you are a citizen of Germany, since Germany only exists since 1871. It probably refers to his language and culture or possibly to him becoming German with Germanies' unification in 1871. Prussia actually was the country that unified Germany, Berlin was it's capital before it was Germanies' capital. What used to be Prussia in early modern times is now part Polish, part German and part Russian (Kaliningrad used to be called Königsberg before the Russians took it) because after world war two, Moscow decided to cut Germany down a bit, taking some of their eastern lands, ethnically cleansing it of Germans and giving it to Russia and Poland.
@Thaumazo83
@Thaumazo83 3 жыл бұрын
All of this is correct, thank you. I think that saying that A. A. was German refers to both his culture and the fact that he became a citizen of Germany after the birth of that country in 1871. It is also the case that anyone who was a Prussian national is normally considered German, no matter when he or she lived. An example would be philosopher Immanuel Kant, who was born, lived and died in the Königsberg / Kaliningrad you mention way before "Germany" appeared on the maps.
@ac4brett
@ac4brett 3 жыл бұрын
Can the next great players of the past lecture be on Ken West
@Thaumazo83
@Thaumazo83 3 жыл бұрын
GM Ken West, show the proper respect! ;-D
@Guitare_picking
@Guitare_picking 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing
@heinerbremer1895
@heinerbremer1895 3 жыл бұрын
Little history lesson: Prussia used to be the bigggest state of the German Reich prior WW I and II. Poland as a country didnt exist prior WW I and was founded as a result of it (in the peace treaty of Versailles).
@rainerausdemspring3584
@rainerausdemspring3584 3 жыл бұрын
Dufresne was the author of the famous "Lehrbuch des Schachspiels" and called himself "the oldest pupil of Anderssen. He even won a few leisure games against Anderssen.
@ThaylorHarmor
@ThaylorHarmor 3 жыл бұрын
The crowd interaction is lost....dam you COVID,!
@bjorntorlarsson
@bjorntorlarsson 3 жыл бұрын
At least Ben doesn't wear one of them dog muzzles or diapers over his face.
@TheSummersilk
@TheSummersilk 3 жыл бұрын
Plus none of the more annoying kids
@draheim90
@draheim90 3 жыл бұрын
I’m a little confused on the statement that Prussia became Poland. Prussia encompassed a number of modern-day European countries, including Germany, and its capital was Berlin for 250 years. I’ve always associated Prussia with Germany as well.
@bjorntorlarsson
@bjorntorlarsson 3 жыл бұрын
Many Germans didn't much fancy the Prussians. Like the Saxons and Bavarians. It must've been as with the European Union today. Swedes and Greeks having the same law and budget, how could that work? They don't even eat Schweinshaxe.
@privatevendetta
@privatevendetta 3 жыл бұрын
And you are right do so. After the WW2 Germany relinquished all claims to former Prussian countries, now belonging to Poland.
@Swagtorian
@Swagtorian 3 жыл бұрын
Dubov and rapport!
@TrulyVerity
@TrulyVerity 3 жыл бұрын
Ben is so much funnier when he’s teaching.
@chrisgran60
@chrisgran60 3 жыл бұрын
Whoa those screen wipes are tight!
@shcottam
@shcottam 3 жыл бұрын
I love theese!
@paulgottlieb
@paulgottlieb 3 жыл бұрын
Fischer played Bc4 on the few occasions he played the Kings Gambit
@danielturner1891
@danielturner1891 3 жыл бұрын
Hooray! Another Finegold lecture. Too infrequent!
@duskoveselinovic2060
@duskoveselinovic2060 3 жыл бұрын
Kasparov vs Karjakin game that Ben mentiones featured 3. Nc3 instead of Bc4 move...
@matthewbond1740
@matthewbond1740 3 жыл бұрын
Any chance you will be covering Mikhail Botvinnik?
@tranquil_cove4884
@tranquil_cove4884 3 жыл бұрын
i got really excited i was really hoping this would be ulf anderssen idk why
@johnkoprivsek8317
@johnkoprivsek8317 3 жыл бұрын
For the Anderssen v. Morphy game, on move 41, what about white playing bf7, then kxb7, ba5, ke6, bxc7, nxc7, rxc7.. Then white rook is attacking 2 pawns and it looks winning. No?
@nicholasimholte7359
@nicholasimholte7359 3 жыл бұрын
I find it strange that of the 3 games, the one that is the most impressive, given the strength of his opponent, is the one that you don't hear about. Every chess student knows the first 2, but the game against Morphy? I've never seen it before, and I doubt I'm alone.
@jashyotes
@jashyotes 3 жыл бұрын
Gooooo ben
@robertomariani626
@robertomariani626 7 ай бұрын
22:07, ahah, 2nd finegold video where he says the answer is fries while I'm eating fries!
@Bombvlog
@Bombvlog 2 жыл бұрын
In 32.29 how if black king move to d8?
@MrEdward86
@MrEdward86 3 жыл бұрын
Different games from the first video 😍
@dannygjk
@dannygjk 2 жыл бұрын
It's amazing, (to weakies like me at least), that in the King's Gambit 3.Bc4 is almost as good as 3.Nf3. (if black plays the 'obvious' 3...Qh4+).
@xanbex8324
@xanbex8324 3 жыл бұрын
"Knight to g8 setting up for the next game" HA HA HA
@DWeirich76
@DWeirich76 3 жыл бұрын
This closes the Morphy/Steinitz gap.
@elasiduo108
@elasiduo108 3 жыл бұрын
Small correction. Technically, the match with Steinitz in 1866 isn't usually considered a "World Championship Match". Steinitz, in his "letter battle" with Zukertort, later claimed that he was World Champion since 1866 because he had beaten Anderssen, but at the time of the match, it wasn't considered as such. Regarding the games, I imagine that in the Morphy game, Morphy should have been thinking: "So, this guy developed his pieces correctly, he castled, he's blocking my attempts in the Kingside and is getting nice counterplay in the Queenside... ... WHAT IS HAPPENING????"
@bulentkirca3311
@bulentkirca3311 3 жыл бұрын
"It is not enough to be a good player... you must also play well" ~ Siegbert Tarrasch "First-class players lose to second-class players because second-class players sometimes play a first-class game" ~ Siegbert Tarrasch
@polemikful
@polemikful 3 жыл бұрын
Dude it's not Ampersand which is this simbol --> &; it's "en passant" which means "while passing"
@malachickisawesome
@malachickisawesome 3 жыл бұрын
LEEETTTTSSSS GOOOOOOOOOO
@JudgeHolden13
@JudgeHolden13 3 жыл бұрын
Old chair? Recorded a while back?
@Antipodeano
@Antipodeano 3 жыл бұрын
He says 08 September 2020
@JudgeHolden13
@JudgeHolden13 3 жыл бұрын
@@Antipodeano thanks. I was paying attention lol
@albertsanvura8039
@albertsanvura8039 3 жыл бұрын
Hello 👋.
@user-zs7fn5wu8w
@user-zs7fn5wu8w 2 жыл бұрын
i cannot believe morphy has been served like this.
@mepposhow
@mepposhow 3 жыл бұрын
Gott sei Dank.
@pwnedd11
@pwnedd11 3 жыл бұрын
You said Anderssen wasn't born in Germany but instead was born in Prussia. However, they were one and the same at the time. Germany was not a unified country, and Prussia was considered one of the many "German states." But that's not all. Prussia had controlled the state that Berlin was in (Brandenburg) for a very long time. It was called Brandenburg-Prussia, and then later on just "Prussia." And many Prussian kings (or kaisers) had their capital in Berlin. And then..... when you fast-forward to the 1800's, you'll find out that the Prussian Empire had become the dominant German state during Anderssen's time. They eventually fought a war with France (the Franco-Prussian War in 1870... 9 years before Anderssen passed away), and they used that war to unite all of the other German states into one "German Empire." So, later, in the 1900's, the "Germany" that fought in World War I was literally the successor to Prussia... and Kaiser Wilhelm II (the German leader in WWI) was the heir to a long line of Prussian kings. But going back to Anderssen's time... given Prussia's strength in Germany and its German capital of Berlin, somebody born in Prussia was rightfully called German (even before the German unification). However, the borders between Germany and Poland have shifted many times. Post World War I, they changed. And after World War II, they contracted again. So, huge tracks of land in "Prussia" and later in "Germany" were eventually shifted into Polish territory. And huge chunks of "Polish" territory actually became Lithuania (and Poland and Lithuania used to be one state in the middle ages.. very complicated!). So, what this means is that, many people who would have been considered "German" at one point in time might be considered "Polish" today and vice-versa. And Anderssen, born where he was, would have been "German" back then. Today, he'd be "Polish." Hopefully that helps!
@user-ek4ic2ip9e
@user-ek4ic2ip9e 3 жыл бұрын
Someone tooted at 29:38 😂
@TheAleksander22
@TheAleksander22 3 жыл бұрын
If you watch *Curb your Enthusiasm* you'll know that the sponsor was actually Ted Danson
@TheBigGameTheoryHDx
@TheBigGameTheoryHDx 3 жыл бұрын
Well prussia was a part of germany when he died so its pretty safe to say that he was german also his first names are like the most german of german names and i would know i am one
@bjorntorlarsson
@bjorntorlarsson 3 жыл бұрын
I've read that chess is now the biggest online game! By some measure. That's pretty big considering all the fancy shoot'em ups and micromanaging clicketyclick "strategy" games.
@GeorgiosMichalopoulos
@GeorgiosMichalopoulos Жыл бұрын
Grandmaster Finegold was really upset with the Morphy defeat.
@diptherio
@diptherio 3 жыл бұрын
FIDE ranks Susan Polgar as number 368 in the world, and Finegold as 1267. Susan's rating is 2577, while Ben's is 2476. Just sayin'.
@Thaumazo83
@Thaumazo83 3 жыл бұрын
He only said that S. P. is an average GM, which is true. It is also true that GM Finegold is a weak GM.
@Thaumazo83
@Thaumazo83 3 жыл бұрын
@Daniel Hilton GMs are usually divided in four tiers: 2699-2650, 2649-2600, 2599-2550, 2549-2500. Players with a rating >2700 are normally seen as "Super-GMs", an unofficial, separate category. Ben Finegold's peak rating of 2563, reached in 2006, puts him in Tier 3, but he managed to stay there only a couple of months. Then he fell to Tier 4, and in 2012 he was already stably under 2500, which would not be enough to become a GM. GM Finegold is not a strong GM or even an average GM. As a GM, he remains an incredibly skilled player though.
@bjorntorlarsson
@bjorntorlarsson 3 жыл бұрын
We (I mean, people who play better chess than I do) should wright long wikipedia articles about Ben Finegold's games! He's repeatedly begging us. And don't call him Fishgold. "And at the 65th move the opponent fell asleep because nothing had happened on the board." "Black looks like he came late to the game and skipped the first 5 moves."
@marianpalko2531
@marianpalko2531 3 жыл бұрын
Steinitz was born in 1836, Morphy 1837.
@cammro
@cammro 3 жыл бұрын
i thought prussia was a combination of poland and germany, and then after napoleon and alliances with the royal there, poland once again became poland
@jiaan100
@jiaan100 3 жыл бұрын
Rick and morty ad lol
@edmis90
@edmis90 3 жыл бұрын
Every time he says Anderssen, I have to think about Anderson from the anime _Hellsing._ *Every. Single. Time.*
@princesasuke7770
@princesasuke7770 3 жыл бұрын
Ben can never outrun anyone or the bear
@carlosdumbratzen6332
@carlosdumbratzen6332 3 жыл бұрын
Prussia is German, although Germany didnt exist back then.
@JudgeHolden13
@JudgeHolden13 3 жыл бұрын
Nein
@carlosdumbratzen6332
@carlosdumbratzen6332 3 жыл бұрын
@@JudgeHolden13 Doch!
@georgehornsby2075
@georgehornsby2075 3 жыл бұрын
Prussia covered bits of Germany and Poland, and some of Denmark I think...
@JudgeHolden13
@JudgeHolden13 3 жыл бұрын
@@georgehornsby2075 nein neinty nein
@carlosdumbratzen6332
@carlosdumbratzen6332 3 жыл бұрын
@@georgehornsby2075 i dont want to open a discussion about ethnicity and stuff, but there is a difference between "German" and "Germany". Germany as the idea of a country only really developed in the 19th century and Germany as we know it today only exist since 1990. Until the 1970s it was still disputed if the "Ostgebiet" (eastterritories) should be reintegrated into Germany and from 1871 to 1918/1945 those areas were part of the German state. Prussia was the biggest federal state in the Kaiserreich, the Weimar Republic and Nazi Germany. The prussian King was the Kaiser of Germany. German as the name of a specific population with their own language is a bit older. And the people in Königsberg or Danzig spoke German until they got replaced after the second world war. Prussia, while it existed (until 1947), was German and to deny that is to deny history.
@dannyou2043
@dannyou2043 3 жыл бұрын
prussia becomes poland????
@Thaumazo83
@Thaumazo83 3 жыл бұрын
A part of what used to be Prussia is now Poland, yes. That territory was ceded to Poland after WW2.
@EpicVideoMaster11
@EpicVideoMaster11 3 жыл бұрын
Janks Ben
@hunterxg
@hunterxg 3 жыл бұрын
first :o
@chadmacgargle5311
@chadmacgargle5311 Жыл бұрын
Burden played this vrs Amateur. Peace and love Burden won. Peace and love
@dago6410
@dago6410 3 жыл бұрын
P russia became Poland? Very suspicious....
@schusterlehrling
@schusterlehrling 3 жыл бұрын
Anderssen was there a few years before Morphy. He was not a missing link between Morphy and Steunitz. You should check chess history before you start to post grave mistakes like that. A bit of preparation is needed badly.
@ulrichschmidt5559
@ulrichschmidt5559 7 ай бұрын
I think what Ben means is: Morphy was No.1 during the period let's say 1856-1859, while Steinitz was No.1 from the early 1870s to like 1890. Anderssen was No.1 before Morphy (by winning London 1851) and then again in the period after Morphy's retirement let's say between 1860-1870 (winning 4 great tournaments: London 1862, Barmen and Hamburg 1869 and Baden-Baden 1870, ahead of Steinitz). So Anderssen played against Morphy in the 1850s and against Steinitz in the 1860/70s, and he was the top player in the period between the "Morphy era" (late 1850s) and the "Steinitz era" (1870s-1890), and can for these two reasons be considered "the missing link" between these two. (Unfortunately Morphy and Steinitz never played each other. Steinitz simply was not yet a top player in the 1850s, he started to grow "really strong" only towards the second half of the 1860s, long after Morphy's retirement.)
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