No video

Focke-Wulf Ta 152 H-1 Extreme Speed At High Altitudes.

  Рет қаралды 841,340

Greg's Airplanes and Automobiles

Greg's Airplanes and Automobiles

Күн бұрын

This video covers the Ta 152 H-1 which was the high altitude variant. Sadly there isn't a lot of original source materiel for this airplane, at least not as compared with Allied aircraft or even other German fighters. Thus, I had to interject a lot of my own opinions, more than I would have liked. Still, I do think I covered the key technical aspects reasonably well.
Another issue is the lack of photographs of the plane. There are so few pictures of Ta 152s that I had to use whatever I could find, many are grainy low resolution shots, and often I had to use a picture of the wrong variant.
I hope you enjoy the video. Please consider supporting this channel on Patreon: / gregsairplanesandautom...
Notes, One astute viewer (Admiral) has pointed out that the pressurization was also very important for physiological reasons. That's true. There are two factors here. First it reduces the pressure change on the body in a rapid dive. In other words, your body only goes from 26,000 feet down to 5000 or whatever, which is a much smaller pressure change than 45,000 feet down to 5000. Second, at higher altitudes it's more difficult to breath because of the low pressure. This starts to be a problem at about 40,000 feet and by 49,000 breathing is nearly impossible. So an oxygen mask alone, won't do it. The Ta 152 is made to operate in the region, thus the pressurization is super important.
The Official auto and Air Fan Store is Here!
gregs-airplane...
Related Links: • Turbo vs Supercharging...
for basics on supercharing:
• Why was the BF109K fas... for MW 50
The picture at 9:59 is a Jumo 211, that snuck in there. Good job Paddy for spotting that one. Go check out his channel for awesome War Plane Footage:
/ paddypatrone

Пікірлер: 1 900
@moistmike4150
@moistmike4150 Жыл бұрын
"Only 2 TA-152s were still intact at the end of the war. One was shipped off to the U.S.A. and the other was scrapped." That sentence really hurt me down low - like a cheap kick to the balls.
@FiveCentsPlease
@FiveCentsPlease Жыл бұрын
+ Moist Mike The RAF had both surrendered examples and gave one to the AAF. It is a shame that the RAF scrapped the other one, along with other rare types that should have been placed into museums.
@sparkling925
@sparkling925 Жыл бұрын
@@FiveCentsPlease the british scapped a lot of rare stuff they got their hands on
@moistmike4150
@moistmike4150 Жыл бұрын
@@sparkling925 And gave away the fantastic Neme jet engine to Stalin and the Commies. SMH.
@kochj0713
@kochj0713 6 ай бұрын
Stalin, one of the worst dictators in history
@redbaron9029
@redbaron9029 27 күн бұрын
one was stolen by the US and the other scrapped out of jealousy
@mlehmannAZ
@mlehmannAZ 3 жыл бұрын
Translation of the slide at 21:50 (very literal, not concerned about English style points here) IX. High altitude flight Rescue-safety device: A. Start oxygen breathing at 4000m and keep always active above 4000m 1. Open oxygen remote control valve. Observe pressure gauge and O2 "guardian" 2. In case of shortness of breath, use oxygen shower (press with elbow) B. At 8000m altitude, start pressurized operation 1. (Set) rotary dial for breathing air supply to position "pressurized operation" 2. Fill sealing hose. Press valve for 15-20 seconds 3. Occasionally, observe cabin pressure gauge. Internal pressure (should be) equal to 8km
@lexthy286
@lexthy286 3 жыл бұрын
The “Sauerstoffdusche” or oxygen-shower, would be called “continuous flow” in today’s manuals, and corresponds to the emergency setting on the EROS type masks, e.g. The FW actually states, that the Sauerstoffdusche should be engaged, when experiencing difficulty breathing (Atemnot) - so in fact, this is an emergency procedure. I don’t know, if the German (or allied) oxygen systems were similar to modern systems, in the sense, that they would normally be delivering oxygen through an on-demand regulator, or of they offered the possibility of selecting either dilute or 100% oxygen. However, this oxygen shower possibility would indicate, that by the push of this button, the pilot could engage this feature, and be force feed oxygen under pressure through the mask and into the pilot’s lungs. Activation is by a ellbow activated push button. I’d imagine, that it would be a toggle valve, so as to not be required to hold the button down constantly to have the function active. Maybe, push again to cancel it again. But I might be mistaken. In diving equipment for example, there is such a button on the 2nd stage regulator (i.e. the valve that sits in the diver’s mouth). Pushing and holding that button, opens the regulating valve and air starts streaming out of the regulator; usually to clear water from the mask. But it could, of course, be used to pressure feed air into a person too; an unconscious buddy, e.g. I am bringing up this parallel, because, coincidently, I know this button known as the Luftdusche, since I was taught scuba diving in German by a German speaking scuba instructor. As far as aviation breathing systems are concerned, I was taught in English, so have no clue, how those parts were named by German pilots of that time.
@20chocsaday
@20chocsaday 2 жыл бұрын
A piston engined propeller driven single seat aircraft that could fly higher than a B787, but much earlier. If the pilot were to breathe his own Oxygen system would it not be enough to pressurise the cockpit with air?
@pseudonym745
@pseudonym745 2 жыл бұрын
@@20chocsaday That is what most probably has been done.
@pseudonym745
@pseudonym745 2 жыл бұрын
Long live the " Drehschieber" 😂
@arodrigues2843
@arodrigues2843 4 жыл бұрын
I've been a professional aviator for 42 years, and I congrat. you on your channel. It's technically and seriously THE BEST.!!! (And thanks for the NO MUSIC.) KUDOS TO YOU.
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks, I appreciate it.
@Suo_kongque
@Suo_kongque 4 жыл бұрын
How do you become a professional aviator?
@Veldtian1
@Veldtian1 3 жыл бұрын
@@Suo_kongque When people trade you legal tender in exchange for your experienced aircraft operating skills, I prefer USD.
@enricolodiS.I.T.
@enricolodiS.I.T. 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, no music it's perfect!
@at6686
@at6686 3 жыл бұрын
Second that. If I want to listen to blaring music I’ll do that.
@gideonsgate9133
@gideonsgate9133 3 жыл бұрын
I love this guy. He's just so straight up and logical. It's such a breath of fresh air. I wish there were more people like him. "Thank you, Greg!"
@neooverby3750
@neooverby3750 Жыл бұрын
Look up mike machat he does the same kind of videos
@TRUMP_WAS_RIGHT_ABOUT_EVRYTHNG
@TRUMP_WAS_RIGHT_ABOUT_EVRYTHNG Жыл бұрын
@@neooverby3750 Mike is great too but he is much different type of content creator. I think ive watched all of mikes videos , i know i've watched all of gregs lol. greg is very technical / engineering OF aircraft content, mike is more artistic, photography and models with history and even trivia style content. Both are very good content creators. Check out WW2bombers! he makes some great content too, along the lines of greg but not as in depth with the engineering. i wish he had more videos thats for sure!
@tedleaf-pk2jc
@tedleaf-pk2jc Жыл бұрын
One of my all time favourite planes the kt 152
@01DOGG01
@01DOGG01 4 жыл бұрын
This is my favourite German plane from WW2. I had no idea that it was so complicated. I just liked the look.
@koc988
@koc988 Жыл бұрын
@O D N The best plane in a war they were all made unflyable in. I love critical reasoning nvm that it barely made it into the war and certainly not in numbers, only looking at hard stats like speed altitude and damage makes you look like a clown. Fast planes that can run at altitude and can blow anything apart with a single hit are useless if the infrastructure that produces them and makes them effective doesn't work well and the plane is unreliable.
@richihart1938
@richihart1938 Жыл бұрын
@@koc988 Then it comes all down to the situation in which Germany was back in 1945. They created this monster despite extremely limited resources. Germany was technologically ahead of its time in most aspects and this only proves it. We cant change anything about the past and all we are left with are the facts and speculations. And the fact is that this plane existed and due to limitations it did not reach its peak which it 100% would if everything was ideal - challenging the top spot among the WW2 propellers Your comment screams with the urge to lecture someone just because you read 3 things on wiki. Dude let him have his fav plane.
@loify8381
@loify8381 Жыл бұрын
I like the Ta-152 because it’s just so advanced. The canopy is just so sharp like a stealth fighter.
@Trupp42
@Trupp42 10 ай бұрын
This too was my favorite WW2 fighter plane. I liked the sleek look and since I was good at English I wanted to know why it was called the 'Butcher Bird'.
@qefewfwdcwdc
@qefewfwdcwdc 2 ай бұрын
@@koc988 anything with high perfomance is unreliable sftu you muppet.
@janrendek
@janrendek 4 жыл бұрын
"There were some issue with supply [of fuel]": you are the grand master of putting it mildly :-)
@advorak8529
@advorak8529 4 жыл бұрын
British understatement.
@Ascaron1337
@Ascaron1337 3 жыл бұрын
Well, to be precise here.. the fuel problem was a very late war problem for the German Army. It started after the strategic bombing runs on the refineries and oil fields. Before that the Reich produced enough to keep everything running.
@jamesjanssen8252
@jamesjanssen8252 2 жыл бұрын
Issues with supply of aircraft , fuel, pilots, and everything else!. That’s putting it mildly. 😳
@alvaroruizcendon8390
@alvaroruizcendon8390 2 жыл бұрын
@@Ascaron1337 Yes... In fact It was a hipomovil army. And the fact that the caucasus oil was going to fix all It is wrong: first every thing was been destroyed (an optimistic number was a year to reach 70%) second: It is just oil you need to refine... Germany Will need to build the refineríes. And three and more important: mover It, wagons locomotives... In 1943 Germany was unable to supply the russian front correctly
@jeromestern8225
@jeromestern8225 4 жыл бұрын
The Ta 152 is surely one of the most fascinating piston engined aircraft. Thanks Greg, your Channel is truly great.
@DCFusor
@DCFusor 3 жыл бұрын
I find myself coming back to watch these again due to the superior quality and information density. But, even if it's been a year or more, I still only get to like them once.
@VaapeliRaka
@VaapeliRaka 3 жыл бұрын
There's something worth of mentioning too, Junkers had from the very beginning designed the Jumo 210 series as a direct swap in option to the DB600 series engines. The motormounts and all wiring, control- and fluidlines were at the same position between them so it was possible to change from DB 60x to Jumo 21x relatively easily. RLM took this later even further by issuing the krafteie pattern wich standardised the engine mounts, wiring, controllines and so forth between the airframe and engine. It was never widely adopted by anyone else but Junkers and Focke-Wulff, some Dornier designs adopted it too. The annular radiator of D-series and TA 152 variants was also a Junkers desing and propably worth of its own video, as it was aerodynamically suprisingly efficient way to cool the engine.
@ThorneyedWT
@ThorneyedWT 4 жыл бұрын
Incredible video. I can't stress enough how many eye-opening things you said. And most important is that you made it fairly easy to understand!
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks, I am trying :)
@tesla4757
@tesla4757 4 жыл бұрын
Yay :3
@lord_igorious1426
@lord_igorious1426 3 жыл бұрын
Крабе и вы здесь?
@dominicanbikinibeauties6537
@dominicanbikinibeauties6537 3 жыл бұрын
Wow, that beast was built in my hometown Bremen, Germany
@cactuslietuva
@cactuslietuva 3 жыл бұрын
Make more WT videos
@axelvetter
@axelvetter 4 жыл бұрын
A great video as always! The page from the German manual at 28:00 min reads: IV High altitude flight Rescue safety device A. Start breathing oxygen at 4000 meters and keep doing so above 4000 meters. 1. Open remote oxygen valve. Monitor pressure gauge and oxygen guard. 2. If shortness of breath occurs use oxygen shower (press with elbow) B. At 8000 meters engage pressurisation 1. Turn rotary switch for air supply to "pressurised mode" 2. Fill gasket hose. Press valve for 15 to 20 seconds. 3. Check cabin pressure gauge from time to time. Cabin pressure equivalent to 8000 meters.
@garyrunnalls7714
@garyrunnalls7714 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Axel!!!!!! A million thanks from California!
@MajorBorris
@MajorBorris Жыл бұрын
Kurt is my favorite designer of the period. Although Kelly is a close second. The ta-152 is by far the most beautiful aircraft of world war II.
@stuartgarfatth1448
@stuartgarfatth1448 4 жыл бұрын
I'm 69 years old, born 1950, and interested in flying machines since 1957, retired member of the Royal Australian Air Force, A-G-A/G-G Comms, basically, just a Radio Operator, nothing special . YOU, and this presentation, have opened my mind and eyes, this presentation was absolutely rivetting, excellently presented, and your vocal delivery is perfect. Your nuances of speech, tone, inflection, levels of spoken sound, are as close to perfect as I could imagine, I was lucky enough in High School to have a Science Teacher with your qualities of 'teaching', she, as you, enabled me to understand and most importantly, comprehend, what you were saying. I will seek out your posts. Brilliant presentation in every aspect, thank you so much.
@jprules2578
@jprules2578 4 жыл бұрын
My all time favorite WWII fighter. Thank you. Lucky enough to have met Walter Loos and Willi Reschke back in 92. Stabstaffel 301. At lower combat level according to their testimony. it could out turn and out accelerate anything else against them. Stating that at the initial break the Mustang was tighter, but afterward the Ta could continually pull a tighter turn to bring guns to bear. As Reschke stated, "it was my life insurance policy till the end of the war." Though it was optimized for high altitude it ended up being quite maneuverable at any altitude. One of the best books would be by Hitchcock.
@WilliamJones-Halibut-vq1fs
@WilliamJones-Halibut-vq1fs 4 жыл бұрын
Dietmar Hermann mentions that the first 200 Jumo 213E and Jumo 213F engines had a too weak supercharger shaft. In practice this meant that many Ta 152H0 had 3rd speed locked out. Willi Reschke describes getting into firing position on a reconnaissance mosquito and about to open fire when the supercharger failed and the Ta 152H0 sagged back down in speed. According to Hermann The Ta 152 with DB603 should have been the first Ta 152H but due to a miscalculation by Focke Wulf they miss estimated the DB engine as being about 100-140kg heavier than the Jumo. Mistake was picked up too late. The Ta 152C with single stage DB603EM also was almost the first but issues with C3 fuel delayed it.
@LanceisLawson
@LanceisLawson 4 жыл бұрын
The 152H-1 when tested by the British was said to have similar flight characteristics to the Spitfire in that in turned extremely well. Kurt Tank was said to have outrun a flight of P-51's while test flying a TA 152. The P-51 pilots stated that the TA 152 pulled away at a relative speed of 30MPH.
@mpetersen6
@mpetersen6 4 жыл бұрын
I've seen the Tank story before. It varies between a 152H-1 and a 152 equipped with the Jumo 222
@ulfenburg7539
@ulfenburg7539 4 жыл бұрын
@@paulbantick8266 Tank's story would make sense as the Ta 152 was faster. The model using the allision engine came out in very few numbers
@ulfenburg7539
@ulfenburg7539 4 жыл бұрын
@@paulbantick8266 Nice you gave me an article about the encounters which means nothing to me as never stated any of those points were real encounters or not, just that him escaping would make sense. We have plenty of flight data That it was faster. To be honest this comment seems very biased. I know the aircraft was nowhere near the legend everyone says it is, but fast? it was fast. www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=455
@baselhammond3317
@baselhammond3317 4 жыл бұрын
@@paulbantick8266 from what I have heard of the XIV not one has been lost to an enemy aircraft.
@LanceisLawson
@LanceisLawson 3 жыл бұрын
@@paulbantick8266 The bottom line is still the same. The TA 152 H1 was 30 MPH faster than the P51 D. airandspace.si.edu/collection-objects/focke-wulf-ta-152-h-0-r11/nasm_A19600317000
@moss8448
@moss8448 4 жыл бұрын
Remember seeing a full size (large book) with both pages together showing the cockpit of a Focke-Wulf it all it's glory and was struck at how modern the layout looked...comparing it to all the others, that I spent the `70's, `80's & `90's reading about and going over every picture I could get my hands on... it really hit me that what I was seeing then looked like a picture taken of any modern aircraft of today....less the LED or flat screen stuff of course...
@mbr5742
@mbr5742 4 жыл бұрын
Designed by an engineer AND pilot
@leonstanz8330
@leonstanz8330 2 жыл бұрын
I think I own that book
@abrahamlouw2795
@abrahamlouw2795 4 жыл бұрын
It makes me so happy to see a video of my favorite aircraft of all time, being so rare.
@kochj0713
@kochj0713 6 ай бұрын
When I jump in my fw190 on DCS… I can’t help think to myself importance of flying this plane and trying to defend quite possibly family members from being killed from the constant bombings from the US planes as they targeted everything including noncombatants.. listening to to a world warII P 47 pilot talk about how he strafed everything including cars, buggies, houses, people anything that moved… I couldn’t help think of how a quote sums it all up Don't let the victors define morality - Hiroshima was always indefensible. The US Air Force chief of staff stated “If we’d lost the war, we’d all have been prosecuted as war criminals.” So said Curtis LeMay after America obliterated Hiroshima and Nagasaki with two atomic bombs in August 1945.
@scottdunn2178
@scottdunn2178 3 жыл бұрын
While the Messerschmitt BF-109 and ME-109 had higher production numbers and gets more glory and recognition by the layman... the Focke-Wulf FW190 was a superior plane... especially the later models with improved armour, horsepower, range, guns, etc.
@brandonstrife9738
@brandonstrife9738 3 жыл бұрын
totally agree with you. The Ta 152 however was flawed and they never had time to fix it.
@starfighter1043
@starfighter1043 3 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love the fw190!!! But the bf109 was the workhorse atleast that's what they tell us, so ppl gravitate towards that plane....the ME262 is in a class of its own at that time period!
@scottdunn2178
@scottdunn2178 3 жыл бұрын
@@starfighter1043 That's what I said. The 109's landing gear was prone to collapse on shitty runways, and the canopy was harder to open and clear to bail out when compared to the 190.
@brandonstrife9738
@brandonstrife9738 3 жыл бұрын
@@starfighter1043 The Me262 was not in a class of its own. This is a myth. There were 2 other jet fighters that could have been fielded before it. 3 others if you count the p 59 I don't. The thing was not ready for deployment. It was kill guys just tryin to take off. It had Almost a 50% engine failure on takeoff. It was rushed into service before it was ready.
@starfighter1043
@starfighter1043 3 жыл бұрын
@@brandonstrife9738 could have been fielded before but weren't, class of its own, and im basically talking bout looks here 🤦‍♂️ man yall just like start shit and read into shit everyone wanna put in their 2 cents h
@benjaminjohnson6476
@benjaminjohnson6476 4 жыл бұрын
TA 152!!!! Fantastic to see this on the channel! Its without a doutb my favorite plane an ive always has gard times finding info on it and this was just wonderfully made and very interesting to learn some things i never new about.
@paoloviti6156
@paoloviti6156 4 жыл бұрын
Without any doubt the Ta 152 is my favourite propeller airplane, after the Fw 190-D. To me this airplane represents the final development of the German propeller engine. I warmly recommend to find the booklet 4+ publication written by Malcolm V. Lowe as it is full of history and photos about the variants of the Ta-152. I consider this booklet the best but it is very difficult to find it as it is out print years ago!
@KentuckyAk101guy
@KentuckyAk101guy 4 жыл бұрын
I couldn’t agree more, I have this beautiful aircraft on war thunder, it shreds bombers and fighters alike.
@westernspy561
@westernspy561 4 жыл бұрын
@@KentuckyAk101guy the only reason i don't play it is because repair cost. For a Free to play player like me it's not worth it to play it.
@KentuckyAk101guy
@KentuckyAk101guy 4 жыл бұрын
WesternSpy, I know the repair cost is high, I really don’t care though I just have fun
@beechcraftkingair3799
@beechcraftkingair3799 4 жыл бұрын
Benjamin Johnson Arado was my favorite manufacturer
@user-dq7tv2lr2o
@user-dq7tv2lr2o 4 жыл бұрын
I wanted to thank you for putting out this video. I’ve been infatuated with the 152 for a long time. I’ve read many things about it, And seeing this video made me happy.
@unclewerner
@unclewerner 4 жыл бұрын
Word for word: IX High Altitude Flight Rescue Safety Device: A. Start breathing oxygen at 4000m and always stay on above 4000m. 1. Open oxygen remote control valve. Monitor pressure meter and oxygen watchdog/guard. 2. When breathlessness is experienced use oxygen shower (to be activated with the elbow). B. In 8000m activate pressurized mode. 1. Rotary breathing dial to "pressure mode". 2. Fill sealed tube. (Push the valve 15 to 20 seconds.) 3. Regularly check cabin pressure gage. Inside pressure equals 8km. Btw. 4000m is still commonly used in Germany as max. altitude to fly without oxygen by recreational flyers. Only when staying longer on 4000m you would start breathing oxygen.
@truereaper4572
@truereaper4572 4 жыл бұрын
Pilots holding their breath until 4000m:
@dukecraig2402
@dukecraig2402 4 жыл бұрын
@@truereaper4572 Perhaps they should have tried a diet of pure bong water for 24 hours before flying, I know it's worked for me.
@DxMarovitch
@DxMarovitch 4 жыл бұрын
@@dukecraig2402 lmaooooo
@dukecraig2402
@dukecraig2402 4 жыл бұрын
@@DxMarovitch I know it was pretty inappropriate but I couldn't resist, this is exactly why after going to aircraft maintenance school I chose not to work in that field, the FAA has no sense of humor.
@jamesricker3997
@jamesricker3997 4 жыл бұрын
The people who figured out 4000m was the hight to turn on the oxygen were hung at Nuremberg.
@toast47624
@toast47624 4 жыл бұрын
When someone puts this much effort into being technically correct even if you don't like the aircraft why would you give the video a thumbs down. I think at best it's immature. It is fortunate the vast majority of us are not. We are well adjusted and appreciative of all the effort put in by Greg. Greg I'm in lock down and you are helping pass time. I love WW2 aircraft and very grateful to have found your channel. I have a very nice Hawker Tempest RC model under construction that will be fitted with a very very modified OS 120 Super Charged engine. (They were some what of a dog stock) I did not realize just how good down low the Tempest was till I saw your chart comparing them all.
@bubiruski8067
@bubiruski8067 4 жыл бұрын
Consequently I gave Gregg another thumbs up !
@grimfandango6137
@grimfandango6137 4 жыл бұрын
Some people would thumbs down to a winning lottery ticket...
@garynew9637
@garynew9637 3 жыл бұрын
Probably triggered by the swastika🤣
@rickmurray7123
@rickmurray7123 4 жыл бұрын
Great video. You go into the detail of why things do as they do. I'm familiar with most of the powerplant and aerodynamic concepts you speak of, but you explain why certain approaches were taken and the results. I was a Naval Aviator in the '60s and during my training, I understood that at high altitudes - above about 33,000 ft as I recall - even breathing 100% oxygen would not enable the transfer of oxygen into the bloodstream in your lungs. Thus the need for pressurized cockpits. "Pressure breathing" would get you a little higher, but not a lot. I flew the A7 and we breathed 100% O2 all the time from a liquid O2 vessel on the aircraft and a pressurized cockpit as well. Earlier jets had high pressure gaseous O2 systems which used a "diluter demand regulator" which varied the O2 content depending on altitude. On the matter of 2 stage supercharging - I believe that the Merlin engine had intercoolers both between the impellers and after, thus the terms intercooler and aftercooler are both correct depending on whether it is between or after. Your stuff is terrific. I just love it. I learn so much. So many of the comments are by people who really have something to contribute too, unlike so many of the inane blatherers on other channels.
@johndell3642
@johndell3642 2 жыл бұрын
Spot on- You need pressurisation to get the oxygen through the walls of the lungs. Even breathing pure oxygen you can start to have difficulty as low as 33,000 ft, above 37,000 feet you would certainly have great difficulty breathing. Some pilots flew at 43,000 feet for short periods without pressurisation (as in, for example the Spitfire V Ju86 combat kzfaq.info/get/bejne/br10ns1hv7_ZmXU.html ) . The two-seat trainer and night-fighter version of the Meteor jet were notorious for not having pressurisation (unlike their single-seat counterparts). Although the engine-airframe combination had a notional ceiling of 50,000 feet the lack of pressurisation meant they rarely went above 35,000 feet and the night-fighter version would have been useless against high-flying Soviet bombers.
@cannonfodder4376
@cannonfodder4376 4 жыл бұрын
As I expected, a fantastically informative video. Never quite realized how unspectacular the Jumo 213 was by that point in the war with only the additions of the additional supercharging and MW50 and GM1 bringing it up to par with the allied engines. Man the 152H with a DB 603... now that would be something to behold. Still a truly remarkable fighter. As I said a fantastic video Greg, makes me even more eager to see the 190 series when it debuts.
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, if they had been able to put a DB603 together with all the goodies, it would have had 2900hp or more. They actually had a two stage 603 with more than that but it needed C3 fuel. Had they added MW-50 they could have had the same power or more with B4 fuel, and then added GM-1 for the high altitude performance, or for a further boost down low if needed. The Ta 152 H1 as discussed in this video was really just the beginning of this plane.
@cannonfodder4376
@cannonfodder4376 4 жыл бұрын
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles Oh my that just sounds so nice. The things the Germans could accomplish during the war was one thing, what they could have done with generous time and resources... Man the super props they could have made.
@DmdShiva
@DmdShiva 4 жыл бұрын
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles It's a pity that the Do-335 did not get enough time to come into series production and have a more significant combat record than outrunning a flight of Tempests; it would have been fascinating to see what it would have been capable of. Unfortunately, there's far too little data to be able to determine how it would have fared in combat, much less be the wunderwaffe that it seems to wind up being in combat sims.
@WilliamJones-Halibut-vq1fs
@WilliamJones-Halibut-vq1fs 4 жыл бұрын
The Jumo 213 was taken to Rolls Royce for testing. It ran faster and harder than the Griffon without problems. Germans had some breakthrous in high RPM engines. I think the pistons were oval and convex or something.
@WilliamJones-Halibut-vq1fs
@WilliamJones-Halibut-vq1fs 4 жыл бұрын
Greg's Airplanes and Automobiles 1 The reason the Jumo 213 engine ended up on the Fw 190 and Ta 152 before DB603 is because a miscalculation by Focke Wulf made them think the DB603 was 140kg heavier. It was too late when they figured it out. The Jumo 213E1 produced 2050hp on B4 fuel + MW50. Nitrous Oxides was only used above FTH but it was possible to use Nitrous Oxide and MW50 together at around 30,000ft. 2 The Jumo 213EB produced 2350hp but had much better supercharging and inter cooling so the Ta 152H with this engine could achieve the same speed as the 213E engine version of 472mph without Nitrous Oxide. The EB had 3 valves bigger and higher piston velocity. 3 Jumo 213J with 4 valves and 3700RPM would do about 2700 metric hp. This was just a Bench engine. The jet thrust of the Jumo 213E is given as 448lbs thrust in Anthony Kay’s book on Junkers engines. This jet thrust on the DB603 was less so its higher shaft power is misleading. Need to really rate in ehp.
@zippytpinhead847
@zippytpinhead847 4 жыл бұрын
It almost feels like Christmas when one of Greg's videos are released. I learned a lot about a subject that I have been interested and since I was a kid. Thank you
@terraflow__bryanburdo4547
@terraflow__bryanburdo4547 4 жыл бұрын
What a handsome beast!
@milotorres6894
@milotorres6894 4 жыл бұрын
German Ace's
@patthewoodboy
@patthewoodboy 3 жыл бұрын
agree .. it looks right
@neurofiedyamato8763
@neurofiedyamato8763 4 жыл бұрын
You helped me gain new appreciation for the awesomeness that is the Ta-152!
@BlueBaron3339
@BlueBaron3339 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, this is another great video from Greg. What was really fun was the live chat stream running during its premiere. Such a collection of splendid and knowledgable and passionate aviation history enthusiasts, including Greg! Plus - and this is almost as amazing given that this is KZfaq after all - everyone demonstrated respect for everyone else in that virtual room. An outstanding experience 😉
@BlueBaron3339
@BlueBaron3339 4 жыл бұрын
@Stratozombie Agreed re: Smithsonian. The History Channel used to do serious stuff long ago. But, as The Discovery Channel learned with Discovery Wings and the Wings television series - now long gone - the audience for detailed history is small, and the era of kids growing up with pilots as their heroes is past, alas. ☹️
@alfredomarquez9777
@alfredomarquez9777 4 жыл бұрын
I am totally disenchanted with the Discovery Channel present day TV programs. and much more so with their SHITTY translations to Spanish that seem to be done by ignorant and stoopid people in Argentina or Venezuela. they keep translating tings like "propeller" into wrong terms like "propulsor".Their contents are way below the old "Wings" and "Wings of the Luftwaffe" series, that were much more acceptable.
@TRUMP_WAS_RIGHT_ABOUT_EVRYTHNG
@TRUMP_WAS_RIGHT_ABOUT_EVRYTHNG Жыл бұрын
@@alfredomarquez9777 i don't even watch discovery or history channels anymore. they are horrible and it's mostly fake reality shows now right lol awful. while i dislike youtubes corporate policies and their censoring history and facts lately, the content creators i follow/watch are putting out superior content to those 2 massive networks. many of the yt content creators should have their own shows on network tv and they would be fantastic. pretty much all my viewing/entertainment is on YT. we killed cable/fios tv years ago.
@IJN_Guy
@IJN_Guy Жыл бұрын
​​@@TRUMP_WAS_RIGHT_ABOUT_EVRYTHNG Pretty much how everything is going since the 1980s. Started with the news media companies going from reporting to dramatic representations of stories. Now, it's growing into even some reliable KZfaq history channels (at least without due cause) and is, practically, making a mockery of good history.
@Rhino1277HotRails
@Rhino1277HotRails 3 жыл бұрын
TA was the best piston engine aircraft ever built in my opinion .
@nuubiesaibot8339
@nuubiesaibot8339 3 жыл бұрын
But on war thunder = F
@xx_lightning_xx5781
@xx_lightning_xx5781 3 жыл бұрын
@@nuubiesaibot8339 lol this things is op in wt
@johnlamarck2504
@johnlamarck2504 10 ай бұрын
The Jumo 213 was being developed specifically with the very complex supercharging system characteristic of the 213E from the very beginning and the 213A was a follow on from this, it wasn't the other way around. In order to speed it into production it was decided an interim version with a much simpler supercharger would be used as issues were apparent in development of the multiple stage version, such as unreliable kommandogerät gear shifting in the upper stages which could overstress the engine. The Jumo 213 was thus delayed and a simpler version, the 213A was then proposed, but Kurt Tank himself had already decided he preferred the Daimler engine for this reason at this point, which was late 42 to early 43 and he was quite vocal about it. All Ta152 had the MW50 boost system fitted. Pilot accounts include use of the system as well as GM-1. The Ta152H0R11 preproduction aircraft used Fw190A6 wings lengthened so did not have the fuel tanks. They did have both fuselage fuel tanks in common with the Fw190. The instability issue came about when an ETC500 bomb rack was fitted, which was an RLM requirement from February 1943 for all new fighter models and both fuselage tanks and the MW50 tank was filled and a GM-1 system was fitted, which added another 300kg all by itself and that threw the CoG just all the way out and made the aircraft ridiculously unstable and this would only get worse in the production model when the fuel tanks were fitted to the wings. But this was discovered during the prototyping phase in 43 and the solution had already been arranged for the deletion of one of the fuselage fuel tanks in production models. This meant the extended range of the Ta152 over the Fw190 would not be achieved as had been proposed with two fuselage and two wing tanks and instead the Ta152 would only carry marginally more fuel than a regular Fw190 with one fuselage tank and two small wing tanks. This would be in addition to the MW50 tank and GM-1 fitment, together with an ETC500 wet piped centre store and the aircraft remained stable, barely but it was workable. In the meantime the preproduction aircraft despite lacking wing tanks were given a liquid stores restriction such as described in the video which included leaving a fuselage tank and the MW50 tank empty if the ETC rack was fitted, although IIRC the GM-1 system was fitted. The problem with GM-1 wasn't not being fitted, it was that it completely screwed with the kommandogerät of the Jumo 213E motor and the gearshifts in the upper stage became completely unreliable when trying to punch into the 12-14,000 metre flight regime the aircraft was supposed to be capable of as a high-powered interceptor. And it wasn't the only problem at high altitude, the pressurised cockpit system was so rudimentary at that stage of technology for a mass-produced fighter, essentially using slave labour that it was also, completely unreliable and so very few actual accounts of reaching the 14,500m combat ceiling were ever recorded, most attempts resulting in the pilot losing consciousness before reaching 12,000m. This, in fact resulted in a flight ceiling restriction during service trials of 10,500m for pilot safety for both JG301 and Jv44. The Messerschmitt Me109 could fly this high and that's also the altitude a Ta152C using the Daimler engine could accomplish some 760km/h using MW50 with overboost since the throttle altitude of the DB603LA is 11,500m and that's just using a single speed supercharger with two stages because it just has that much swept capacity to pump air with and a really big supercharger, really big. Tank liked the Daimler better, I do too. The Jumo/GM-1 idea was crap and the 14,500m requirement was only achievable using GM-1 in the Jumo. The supercharger system was way too complicated. The Daimler just used big gigantic pistons and a massive supercharger casing with one extra stage to do the trick. It worked. It was simple. But the whole thing about the Jumo motor, where it actually shines is at 7-8000 metres and people don't realise this. They never question why was JG301 freijäger patrol height specifically assigned at 7000 metres? The Jumo has 1800 horsepower at this height just out of the box, no special boost, no special conditions, it's just the operational regime at military power and totally reliable. That's what the trick supercharger system that barely worked did for you. Almost nothing on the planet had 1800hp at 7-8000m. It would climb at that height like you were doing aerobatics just above an aerodrome at low altitude in a biplane, it is that much power and prop bite. At 7-8000m the Ta152H was absolute king of the skies. Not 14,000m, not 5,000m, not even 10,000m. Although mind you, and this was remarkable, it was still one of the fastest of anything all the way from sea level to 11,500m and there's no arguing that. Just it really ruled 7-8,000m and that's the Jumo 213E (or F). Dietmar Hermann assured me however the RLM had planned on replacing the Jumo Ta152H1 with a DB603LA powered Ta152H2 had the war continued. The Daimler was just better. And the realistic Höhenjäger extreme performance flight regime with all this in hindsight by 1945 was in fact 9,500-11,500m. Not 14,000 metres. That was reality.
@MrArgus11111
@MrArgus11111 2 жыл бұрын
You've taught me a lot about engines, Greg! Engine specifics are something that very few warbird enthusiasts seem to actually have a handle on. I hardly ever see anything except "this engine was better than this other one". Thank you for the great detail.
@gordonyork6638
@gordonyork6638 4 жыл бұрын
Greg I really appreciate your vids. I'm so sick of blantant generalizations I find in so many vids. Hats off!
@miragetime2241
@miragetime2241 4 жыл бұрын
I am so glad there is a community of people out there as nerdy as myself.
@AaronSmith-yr1oy
@AaronSmith-yr1oy 4 жыл бұрын
I would love to see more videos about the FW-190 series. Thanks Greg!
@mandernachluca3774
@mandernachluca3774 4 жыл бұрын
We most defenitly need a video about the Junkers opposed piston diesel engines with the same production quality :D.
@ShadowOppsRC
@ShadowOppsRC 4 жыл бұрын
Totally agree!
@juliancate7089
@juliancate7089 4 жыл бұрын
@Ian Brown Napier Deltic, which was also used to power small warships.
@dukecraig2402
@dukecraig2402 4 жыл бұрын
@Ian Brown The diesel/electric locomotive was in use well before WW2, in America Detroit Diesel engines were in use in trains long before the war, just last week I read an article written by a fellow in Britain about them.
@juliancate7089
@juliancate7089 4 жыл бұрын
Jumo 204 and 205. The 205 had a number of variants. Don't remember them all, off hand. The one flaw with both the early 204 and later 205s was that the engine could only be run in the upright configuration. In other words, you could not lay the engine on it's side or at angles far from upright. Big flaw for an aircraft engine.
@1DEADBEEF1
@1DEADBEEF1 4 жыл бұрын
@@dukecraig2402 i dont think you understand what he said... ofcourse diesel electric was available before ww2 but it wasnt all.that popular. Heck the "flying hamburger" was going 100mph in the early 30ties
@bigmandan5824
@bigmandan5824 3 жыл бұрын
Greg, thank you so much for making this video. This was an extremely interesting and thorough video of this awesome German aircraft.
@HotelPapa100
@HotelPapa100 4 жыл бұрын
30:38 The valve mentioned is the one pressurising the sealing hose, thus sealing the cockpit.
@antonpressing
@antonpressing Жыл бұрын
Hi Greg - A.2: Atemnot = respiratory distress; mit dem Ellbogen drücken = press with your ellbow (drücke einen Knopf/Schalter = press a button
@marknonnenmacher1918
@marknonnenmacher1918 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Greg! Your videos make these German planes so vivid and real. Appreciate your insights too, learned a lot!
@wireflight
@wireflight 4 жыл бұрын
You knocked this out of the park, man! Thanks for an awesome video.
@johnnichols9056
@johnnichols9056 3 жыл бұрын
A specalized plane that had the true potential to be a kill joy to the allies. The D13 and the Ta152c could have easily ruined the air war for the Allies given earlier production (the RLMs fault there) and better trained pilots, attrition got Germany there. To loosely quote Willy Retschie The Ta152h was his life insurance as the war ended. Of special note there were quite a few problems with the 150 plus planes that were produced namely fit and finish issues, from gear doors that wouldn't fully lock th missing and loose rivets, let alone the fuel and oil supply.
@warrenjones744
@warrenjones744 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Greg, most interesting video. Probably like many people I was unaware of this beast. Both You and The History Guy have become my favorite You Tube channels as a result of your consistently well presented research and interesting subject matter. Bravo Zulu!
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Warren, I like History Guy too.
@filovirus1
@filovirus1 3 жыл бұрын
this is most comprehensive documentary I found in 'Net regarding FW Ta-152. thank you for putting this together. to me, Ta-152 was like super model of WW II fighters - fast, sleek, beautiful
@Ripper13F1V
@Ripper13F1V 4 жыл бұрын
Absolutely FASCINATING. Thank you for your details and analysis, so much better than just a 5 minute talking points with a few cool pictures =fluff. You're easily the best brain candy I have for my morning routine. Keep up the great content!
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks, I really appreciate that comment. Sometimes I do find it frustrating that a video with a few pictures of a P-51 and quotes about it from Wikipedia will get more views than mine do.
@kek207
@kek207 3 жыл бұрын
That plane is a monster in war Thunder because of its low wing loading it can easily pull high G loads, it has insane energy retention which allows it to boom and zoom like crazy.
@berkaydogan9414
@berkaydogan9414 2 жыл бұрын
How it is possible to pull high g with a wing have a high aspect ratio?
@kek207
@kek207 2 жыл бұрын
@@berkaydogan9414 nice wing spars. Also at high altitude you don't pull that much as the air is much thinner. But still more than other planes
@JelqSmith
@JelqSmith Жыл бұрын
More than that, it gets an air spawn and out turns most everything. Plane requires zero skill.
@skny2282
@skny2282 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Greg, I’ve been waiting for your TA152 clip over a year! Thank you.
@TheAneewAony
@TheAneewAony 4 жыл бұрын
Greg this was awesome! The TA-152, and all German aircraft made extensive use of one piece aluminum forgings punched out on a 30,000 ton press (my video request). The Jumo had direct fuel injection, not to be confused with port type. Fuel was injected directly into the cylinder, as the fuel expanded on the down stroke cooling the charge and reducing knock allowing for more ignition advance. To compare apples to apples (same weight and displacement), the Rolls-Royce Griffon produced 2200 hp on 150 octane fuel, and 2000 hp on 100 octane, whereas the Jumo 213 made 2000 hp on 87 octane (B4). Direct Fuel Injection is worth about three hundred horsepower over carburetor or throttle body in this type of engine.
@FiveCentsPlease
@FiveCentsPlease 4 жыл бұрын
+Jim Wahl There should be a Jumo 213 on the test stand soon, although there isn't a plane ready to hang it on just yet. It would be nice if the owners would allow a video or two. Paul Allen's museum had their Jumo 211 fully tested and flight certified in July but they didn't publish a video of that either. I'm looking forward to comparing them to the DB engines that are operational now.
@MrAstrojensen
@MrAstrojensen 4 жыл бұрын
This is WW2 geekiness taken to the next level. And I love it!
@haraldhannelius
@haraldhannelius 4 жыл бұрын
I love these shows. Keep it up!
@bellator11
@bellator11 3 жыл бұрын
Another thing the high AR wing gave the Ta152H was incredibly good turning performance, something immediately noted by its pilots. The high AR helped greatly reduce lift induced drag, whilst at the same time increasing the Clmax, apparently by 0.19 according to FW AG documents. Should also note that a later German performance chart puts the Ta-152H running faster than on the chart you posted, with a boost pressure of 2.03 ata instead of 1.92ata. Question is wether any of the aircraft in service ever ran at 2.03ata, which we don't know.
@user-mm2ey6lz9h
@user-mm2ey6lz9h 3 жыл бұрын
Damn your channel is a real treasure! Quite a pity a lot of people don’t know about it!
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Mapk. I think these videos go too deep and are too long for the typical casual viewer. That's OK with me, I'm aiming for the hardcore enthusiasts.
@cmdr.tigirius6757
@cmdr.tigirius6757 4 жыл бұрын
This little master piece deserves more. being one of the best piston engine fighter. Thx for this great info vid
@deadendfriends1975
@deadendfriends1975 4 жыл бұрын
Top 10 easily.
@KentuckyAk101guy
@KentuckyAk101guy 4 жыл бұрын
I’d easily put it over a p-51
@123fockewolf
@123fockewolf 4 жыл бұрын
I LOVE THIS CHANNEL YES!!!
@123fockewolf
@123fockewolf 4 жыл бұрын
Is there any info on the maximum Vne or MMO speed on the TA152H-1 in a dive?
@truereaper4572
@truereaper4572 4 жыл бұрын
@@123fockewolf too fiddy
@Taliyon
@Taliyon 4 жыл бұрын
Me too!!!
@Agent-ic1pe
@Agent-ic1pe 4 жыл бұрын
Same, I'm a total lay-person but I really enjoy the videos and I learn a lot from each one
@frank7468
@frank7468 4 жыл бұрын
German engineer's translation proposal: IX. High altitude flying - Rescue-Safety equipment: A. At altitude of 4000m (~13.000 ft) start oxygen supplied breathing and continue at altitudes above 4000m. 1. Open oxygen remote control valve. Monitor pressure gauge and oxygen watchdog. 2. If respiratory distress occurs use oxygen-shower (Push with elbow.) B. At 8000m (~26.000ft) altitude switch on pressurized operation. 1. Rotary slide in position “Pressure operation” 2. Inflate pressure seal hose. Push valve for 15 to 20 seconds. 3. Occasionally check cabin pressure gauge. Pressure equals 8 km (~26.000ft)
@pcat1000
@pcat1000 4 жыл бұрын
Greg thank you for using imperial along with metric measurements. As an American machinist/craftsman the machinery and drawings used for most of my life have inch increments. As an artist welder/foundryman , degrees F is the associative language.
@darrellid
@darrellid 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Greg. Always enjoy your content. You're reinspired my interest in a Ta 152C-1 scale model; previously had neglected it in favor of the more hyped H versions.
@fighterace316
@fighterace316 2 жыл бұрын
The Ta 152C-1 is a beast
@BlackAce-zr2ms
@BlackAce-zr2ms 4 жыл бұрын
Fantastic and well researched on possibly one of WWII's best fighters ✔️🙂
@acefox1
@acefox1 4 жыл бұрын
Absolutely outstanding video Greg!! Thank you!
@edoedo8686
@edoedo8686 4 жыл бұрын
I am immensely enjoying these programs during our Cebu Covid-19 Lockdown. These complement my beginner's attempt of online pilot study--at 64. Thank you!
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks edo.
@red.5475
@red.5475 2 жыл бұрын
This fighter is absolutely my favorite piston engined plane of the WWII era. I find them to be a very elegant design.
@pjayx7320
@pjayx7320 4 жыл бұрын
The Japanese Ki-83 and the Soviet Mig I-225 were similar aircraft designed to perform good at extremely high altitudes like this but I don't think neither of them reached production status. Prototypes were built however. These two birds are also in a very similar level if not sightly better when it comes to altitude performance in comparison to the 152H. Especially the I-225.
@kevintucker3354
@kevintucker3354 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks man! Love this detailed series. It is impressive to see the leaps in ice technology from 1900 to 1940! I need to go back and watch your video on the constantly variable supercharger system you mentioned!
@chrisdenem2542
@chrisdenem2542 Жыл бұрын
Great cover on a generally unknown German aircraft. Super informative and educational.
@martentrudeau6948
@martentrudeau6948 4 жыл бұрын
What a great looking plane and impressive performer, thank you.
@martialme84
@martialme84 3 жыл бұрын
27:49 Here´s my quasi-literal translation of what´s on screen there. Since i am no aviator, i will translate technical terms literally and NOT into the corresponding technical terms in english, since i don´t know those. I might add the odd guess between brackets. Also: i will use some unusual word order in places, since i´ll try to stick as close to the German word order as possible to make it easier to compare the indiviual words of the translation with the individual words of the original text. In some instances i just couldn´t do that, though. IX. Altitude flight Rescue-safety device: A. At 4000 m altitude commence oxygen breathing and always maintain at altitude above 4000 m. 1. Open oxygen remote-control valve. Monitor pressure gauge and O²-guard(oxygen meter?). 2. In case of shortness of breath, use oxygen shower. (Depress with elbow.) B. At 8000 m altitude activate pressure mode. (pressure operation/pressurized mode/sth like that) 1. Turn-lever (some kind of knob that you have to turn and push at the same time) for breathing air in position "pressure mode". 2. Inflate gasket-hose(the seal for the canopy?). Press valve for 15 - 20 seconds. 3. From time to time check chamber-interior-pressure-gauge. Interior pressure equals 8 km.
@richardbennett8522
@richardbennett8522 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Greg In his book "Wings Of The Luftwaffe" Eric Brown wrote about flying the TA 152 H1 but there was a lack of GM1 and MW50 for him to really compare it's performance. I also have a book by Heinz Nowarra on the FW 190/TA 152 which is informative. Great video.and lok forward to more.
@planpitz4190
@planpitz4190 4 жыл бұрын
German speaker here ..very good translation ! PS: The technical drawing at 16:23 shows all possible armament .. a lesser variation was always chosen depending on airplane variant, never all of the guns shown at once !
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 4 жыл бұрын
They never built the C model, knowing the Germans, if they had, they would have built at least one with all the guns at once, they did crazier stuff that that. Have you seen my Me163 videos? Overall though, you are correct, the drawing is showing possible gun installations.
@planpitz4190
@planpitz4190 4 жыл бұрын
it says on the Blueprint " Bewaffnungsmöglichkeiten" that translates to possibilities of weaponry . As all the weapons are in front of the center of lift the plane would be very nose heavy, with big disadvantages in agility, if all are installed at once !
@planpitz4190
@planpitz4190 4 жыл бұрын
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobilesthe Blueprint says "Bewaffnungsmöglichkeiten" That translates to possibilities of weaponry . As all the weapons are in front of the center of lift the plane would be very nose heavy, with big disadvantages in agility, if all are installed at once !
@lesterdiamond6190
@lesterdiamond6190 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for all the effort in finding and interpreting the details on this aircraft.
@johnsledge3942
@johnsledge3942 4 жыл бұрын
Wow. INCREDIBLE video!! Learned so much about this plane and it’s production.
@jeffreytam7684
@jeffreytam7684 4 жыл бұрын
I feel like the wing spar question is just a happy coincidence: a lack of aluminum (and even more critical shortages of other metals for alloys), meant that it made a lot of sense to just settle for the heavier steel spars and ensure that you have enough structural strength as opposed to dicking around with some sort of compromise.
@michaelfraering8604
@michaelfraering8604 4 жыл бұрын
The Germans were salvaging wrecked allied aircraft for their metal, so I find it a little hard to believe that the Germans had a shortage of aluminum, but I am not a metalurgist so what do I know.
@jeffreytam7684
@jeffreytam7684 4 жыл бұрын
joe jitsu Excellent explanation, thanks for your insight!
@jeffreytam7684
@jeffreytam7684 4 жыл бұрын
Michael Fraering I can’t find any primary sources, but Wikipedia says that the Germans lost up to 50% of their Bauxite production in late 1944 (this was coming from Southern France and Yugoslavia, both of which have or had substantial deposits). “Loss of the Yugoslavian and other Balkan mines took away the last supplies of chromium and reduced the supply of lead by approximately 40 per cent - the position being worsened by the loss of substantial amounts of scrap which were collected in France, Belgium and the Netherlands. With the loss of high-grade French deposits and the seizure by Marshal Josip Broz Tito's forces of the island fringe of Yugoslavia, Germany's total loss of bauxite was put at around 50 per cent” (From Wikipedia) So while you are correct in saying that they were collecting downed Allied planes, they lost many of these sources when the Allies recaptured France. As well, by late 1944, the Germans had critical shortages of fuel, as the Ploiesti complex in Romania had just been lost, and the synthetic oil plants in Germany (such as Leuna) had been pretty much wiped out by bombers. Once this was confirmed, the Allies switched their attacks to the German transport network, and what little resources the Germans were still able to produce were now almost impossible to ship. This problem was compounded by the decentralization of German industry, made necessary by the strategic bombing campaign. The point I’m trying to make here, is that the Germans had lost substantial amounts of raw aluminum production, and that its means of supplementing that (such as scrapping shot down planes) was now badly impeded.
@DmdShiva
@DmdShiva 4 жыл бұрын
@joe jitsu If I recall the characteristics of the metals involved with regard to the use of aluminum versus steel for military vehicle construction, the additional thickness of aluminum required to get the same rigidity erased virtually all of the weight advantage of aluminum, so if they had used aluminum for the main spar, they would not have saved significant weight if they had wanted a similar strength.
@michaelfraering8604
@michaelfraering8604 4 жыл бұрын
@@jeffreytam7684 Okay
@tuttebelleke
@tuttebelleke 4 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video!!! As an engineer, as I watch these video's, I am impressed again and again about the high technology level that was achieved in WWII in aviation. The number of man-years of design and engineering must have been phenomenal.
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks this stuff amazes me too. Not just the complexity, but the fast that they were able to develop it so fast under war time conditions.
@alfredomarquez9777
@alfredomarquez9777 4 жыл бұрын
In fact, German design and engineering from WW-II, at least in aeronautical, guns and submarines, was truly advanced and through. Perhaps the tanks engineering often blamed as "overengineered" is different, but we can find excellent design in many airplanes, guns and submarines, way better than allied comparable ones.
@tuttebelleke
@tuttebelleke 4 жыл бұрын
@@alfredomarquez9777 For sure some of the WWII Germans aeronautical designs were top. But often they had very serious drawbacks (fuel consumption/range) and so so many of the designs hardly made it into the fight. One can discuss about who had the best planes at the start of the war, lots of people say it was even. The utmost fighter-fighter combats during the war were on the eastern front with utmost German victories. Later in the war there were more combats on the western front with more allied victories. So, who do you compare to when stating that the Germans were more advanced?
@danielledoyle434
@danielledoyle434 4 жыл бұрын
Years ago I read an article in a book about Focke-Wulf, and this variant was mentioned along with a few photographs. I never thought that I would come across any more info about this plane until I discovered this video on KZfaq whilst in lock down due to Coronavirus. Wonderful treat! Thank you.
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 4 жыл бұрын
It's a great time to catch up on your youtube watching. I'm glad I could help.
@gumbykevbo
@gumbykevbo 4 жыл бұрын
Cockpit pressurization to sub-30,000' level would mean that the O2 system didn't have to go into a pressure-demand mode. This is where the pilot's lungs are (lightly) pressurized with pure O2 and they have to work to exhale. Pressure demand systems are required because even at 100% O2, the partial pressure of the oxygen above ~34,000' isn't high enough for the lung's gas exchange to work very well, beyond which (up to about 45'000') pressure demand can be used. American pressure demand systems I am familiar with are rated to only 45,000' but that is a bit below the '152h's ceiling. Pressurizing the cockpit to ~25,000' would allow the pilot to stay very sharp on a diluter-demand system, which would allow a smaller/lighter O2 bottle.
@markam306
@markam306 4 жыл бұрын
Kevbo, Thanks for this technical explanation. I was about to look up altitude atmospheric pressure and calculate O2 partial pressure but your post includes more information. Partial pressure is the key to O2 at altitude and N2 below water.
@stuntflyr
@stuntflyr 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Greg, I was fortunate enough to speak to a USAAF Spitfire PR XI pilot at the 60th Anniversary of the BOB at the Museum of Flying in Santa Monica, CA in 2000. He was 19 or 20 during his service and in good health accompanied by his son when I met him. We spoke of many things but it being a pressurized airplane was something I was interested in, having known about the POF's PR19 since I was a kid in SoCal and seen it so many times through the years, the operation of one commented upon by someone first person was interesting. You might want to know his recollection was that it was mainly for physiological reasons and even so he said with it pressurized that at high altitude near 37,000 feet his belly was quite distended and he suggested generally uncomfortable. With PR ship's missions being pretty long this might be a fact of consideration. Great video, as usual. Great subject.
@badfinger9
@badfinger9 4 жыл бұрын
Amazing data here. Excellent video. The P47 data was equally surprising.
@WEITESTAL
@WEITESTAL 2 жыл бұрын
As far as I know the only first-hand description of flying this plane in combat is to be found in Flight Sergeant Willi Reschke's diary "Jagdgeschwader 301/302 'Wilde Sau'". Despite its superior features, the TA 152 could not live up to its true potential in the dying stages of the war due to various reasons, some of them teething problems with the three-stage charger. As Reschke describes, he encountered a reconnaissance Mosquito high above Berlin and set about to intercept it. As he was closing in and was about to engage the third stage, the charger stalled, giving the Mosquito a narrow esacpe without the pilot noticing. On another occasion, a relatively large number of TA152s was engaged against allied Bombers and they were attacked by friendly fire from other German fighters as their pilots had not been informed about the new type and mistook it for a new allied escort fighter. He reports several victorious encounters with Jak-9. One victory he recounts surprisingly came at very low altitude when he pursued a Tempest near Berlin which apparently could not match the TA 152s uplift and maneuverablity at low-altitude curving and just dropped off the sky. Yet, as he puts it, the TA152 phad been his "life insurance" in the final months of the war. His TA 152 (Production Number 150168) was the one captured by the British after the war. It was put on display in Farnborough.
@FiveCentsPlease
@FiveCentsPlease 2 жыл бұрын
+ WEITESAL W.Nr. 150168 was scrapped by the RAF although I would be very curious if it is buried with other scrapped aircraft near Farnborough. It would be worth a dig one day. The RAF had both test/evaluation Ta-152s and the second example was given to the US and remains with the NASM.
@HarborLockRoad
@HarborLockRoad Жыл бұрын
@@FiveCentsPlease its shocking that so many of the operation paperclip aircraft were scrapped after evaluation. I recall about 40 years ago, while digging a drainage ditch at an east coast american airforce base, they found several crushed arado blitz jet bombers . On the plus side, one of the prinz eugens arado floatplanes was preserved, i saw it in a pennsylvania outdoor museum as a boy. But, a lot of aircraft were destroyed in situ in germany after the war by the allies in " clearing actions".
@FiveCentsPlease
@FiveCentsPlease Жыл бұрын
@@HarborLockRoad At NAS Patuxent River, the US Navy dumped, I think, two Arado 234 jets and a US prototype at the end of the runway for landfill. Those aircraft were visible until the 1980s. The Freeman Field historical group has compiled a list of the captured aircraft and their eventual fates, although there are some on the list that are "uknown." They performed some digs at Freeman Field looking for buried aircraft but only found parts and wreckage and not an identifiable aircraft.
@Tech_Renegade
@Tech_Renegade 4 жыл бұрын
This is quality content, dude. Looking forward to more.
@BrickNewton
@BrickNewton 4 жыл бұрын
Nitros Oxide also has a good cooling effect on the charge air going into the engine
@santiagoperez2094
@santiagoperez2094 4 жыл бұрын
actually, its cooling effect its caused when oxygen and nitrogen separate in the combustion chamber due to heat, absorbing it, so its actually even better than cool the intake air
@BrickNewton
@BrickNewton 4 жыл бұрын
@@santiagoperez2094 the cooling effect is when the liquid turns into a gas, not sure about with it cooling the charge air in the cylinder when separates in the combustion chamber. If anything I though it would add extra heat.
@karlp8484
@karlp8484 4 жыл бұрын
It's not really cooling that is the desired outcome. It's increasing the density of the charge mixture that they were seeking. More bang at higher altitudes, and delaying detention to compensate for lower octane fuel.
@theprojectproject01
@theprojectproject01 4 жыл бұрын
@@BrickNewton State changes take a lot of energy, which, as you point out, we see as a loss of heat. P H Y S I C S B I N C H E S
@petersouthernboy6327
@petersouthernboy6327 4 жыл бұрын
N2O has VERY limited capacity in piston aircraft
@Tkamsker
@Tkamsker 4 жыл бұрын
Hi i am an german native speeking Pilot (and have CPL-IFR ) so i can try to translate at 28: "A) At 4000m start using "breathe oxygen" and keep it always in use above that height 1) open Oxygen remote valve . Watch (or guard) the pressure meter and O2 Guard device. 2) If you breathe heavvily (hard) use "Oxygen shower" (push it with your ellbow) B) At 8000m use pressureoperation. 1) Twist Rotary Valve in position "Druckbetrieb" (Pressureoperation) 2) Fill (or load) Sealhose. Press Valve for 15-20 Seconds 3) Check from time to time the Pressurized cabine pressure gauge. Inside pressure is equal 8km "
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 4 жыл бұрын
Well done, thank you.
@Tkamsker
@Tkamsker 4 жыл бұрын
You are welcome of there is something to be translated and difficult i might be able to help pm me Then . And a verry good Video indered...
@jacobingram2027
@jacobingram2027 4 жыл бұрын
I'm so excited I almost pissed myself. Greg's finally got a video about my favorite plane.
@rodparsons6719
@rodparsons6719 4 жыл бұрын
I pissed myself the first time I got close to a Spitfire. I was only a few months old at the time. My baby sitter got wet but it was his own fault. What's your excuse?
@karlp8484
@karlp8484 4 жыл бұрын
@@rodparsons6719 The spitfire is a great plane, but I think the hint here is that a Ta 152 would make short work of it, Speed, altitude, manoeuvrability and firepower. Maybe even range, because they took advantage of the larger wings to install extra tanks as well.
@conorf8091
@conorf8091 4 жыл бұрын
Karl P mk9 would eat 152 at low alt
@rodparsons6719
@rodparsons6719 4 жыл бұрын
@@karlp8484 Given how few saw action for such a short period of time, given the fuel shortage and serviceability problems it was not really an issue except for the handful who were unlucky or careless enough to be shot down by one. Interesting, but largely irrelevant in historical fact.
@jonandrews9599
@jonandrews9599 4 жыл бұрын
excellent report. being an ol crew chief, i culd even follow you. lol 5.2 psi differential COCKPIT PRESSURE is AMAZING for late 44/45! hell the 16 still uses the canopy pressure seal today. A prop acft @ 47+000 ft with performance and 3 to 5 canon? Glad i wasn't in 17 or 24s! 2 thumbs up to you
@1SaG
@1SaG 4 жыл бұрын
Native speaker here. Re your translation about the pure oxygen switch: You pretty much nailed it. There is a switch in the 190's cockpit (IIRC, DCS' 190 Dora 9 has it modelled at least visually) that you'd have to push with your elbow to activate the "Sauerstoffdusche" (literally: Oygen-shower). I don't remember which side it was on, but it sits on the rear cockpit wall/bulkhead next to the pilot's seat. Point B 1. Set rotary valve for breathing air supply (I guess meaning "fresh air intake/inlet") to "pressurized operation" 2. Fill seal hose. Press/push valve for about 15 - 20 seconds. 3.Occasionally check cabin-pressure indicator. Cabin pressure equals (?) 8km.
@LanceisLawson
@LanceisLawson 8 ай бұрын
A number of years ago I worked with a man who had been a P-51 pilot in Europe. He could not accept that there were German fighters that were faster. IMHO it was a classic yet understandable case of pilot predjuice against planes they flew against.
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 8 ай бұрын
In defense of that P-51 pilot, it's very unlikely he ever encountered a faster German fighter. Many US pilot flew their entire tour of duty never encountering a single German fighter, let alone one of the rare 109K4s or Ta 152s.
@seymouralcolaya4007
@seymouralcolaya4007 3 жыл бұрын
Die TA-152 war die Version der FW-190 mit Reihenmotor. Ein sehr gutes Video!
@brothergrimaldus3836
@brothergrimaldus3836 2 жыл бұрын
Inverted V-12
@rockchalk1257
@rockchalk1257 4 жыл бұрын
Great video. Would love to see a comparison with the Do 335. In fact the Do 335 would be great for a future video on its own.
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 4 жыл бұрын
I'll get to it. The 335 can not out run the Ta 152H1 at high altitude, but down low it can easily do it.
@WilliamJones-Halibut-vq1fs
@WilliamJones-Halibut-vq1fs 4 жыл бұрын
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles It depends what engines were fitted to the Do 335. There were three type of DB603 engines the Germans had available. Most used the DB603A which was not particularly powerfull as it was the first generation of this engine. Roughly there was 1 DB603A with a single stage variable speed supercharger. Of the top of my head the FTH was 5.7km with 1750hp. A variation of this was the DB603AA with slightly modified supercharger impellor and gear ratios that improved high altitude performance by compromising low altitude. The DB603AA was used on variants of the He 219 as an interim engine. At some point they seem to have produced a Water Methanol Kit for the DB603A. 2 DB603E was still a single stage supercharger engine with slightly more power at 1800 but a much higher FTH even greater than the DB603A or DB603AA I think nearly 8.2km. This was the engine the Dornier 335 would have shown its spectacular 474mph performance on. There was a DB603EM with in built water methanol that could produce 2250hp. This engine was delayed since it required C3 (100/130 fuel) and had to be converted to B4 (87 octane) fuel which took time but did not reduced power output. I think a few engines were delivered for He 219. The delay prevented the Ta 152C from being fielded which would have come out way before the Ta 152H otherwise. 3 DB603L/LA. This engine had a two stage supercharger with an intercooler and three or four entered service with the Luftwaffe on the Ta 152C. The C version had less wing span and was optimised for normal altitudes. With the DB603L engine of 2400hp the charts show a speed of 490mph was expected with the Do 335 with this engine. 4 DB603N this was a bench engine. It was expected to produce around 2700-2900hp in service. It had a two stage supercharger with a two speed mechanical drive on top of the infinitely variable drive normally seen on the DB engines. The mechanical gears could be changed to optimise the engine. The Ta 152H flew with the Jumo 213E engine. It had a lot of jet thrust which is why it was preferred for high altitude work. The Jumo 213F engine was the same basic engine but lacking the intercooler, hence 100/130 fuel was used to compensate. It was used on the Fw 190D12 (which can be told apart from its lack of cowling guns as it had a motor canon). The Fw 190D12 used the same radiator as the Fw 190D9 (jumo 213A) and this was insufficient. 30 seconds after reaching its top speed of 457mph the cooling cowls would need to be opened and the drag slowed the aircraft down. It still had better climb and acceleration. This was caused by lack of time to develop the radiator. The first 200 Jumo 213E/f engines produced had a to low a strength supercharger shaft which meant the 3rd gear was locked out. Both the Ta 152H and the Fw 190D12 EB were supposed to get the Jumo 213EB which had bigger valve area and running speed as well as a very capable heat exchanger and would have allowed the Ta 152H to do 472mph without Nitrous Oxide and the Fw 190D12 488mph. As you can see the Fw 190A was evolving simultaneously into the Ta 152 and the Fw 190D12 to Fw 190D15 The smaller wing area of the D12 made it faster at low altitude and it was going to be focused on ground attack, it was obviously easier to produce. The Ta 152H shared 60% parts commonality with the Fw 190D and you could see parts like the Ta 152H tail getting fitted to the Fw 190D Worth mentioning is the BMW801R radial. This engine had a two stage multi speed supercharger like the American Navy engines. It was being developed for a radial engine variant of the Ta 152B or C. The factory was bombed and the engines development was effected and it was judged not worth spending effort in getting the program back on track. The focus went to the jet engines, maybe a 3 speed supercharger on the BMW 801 and the BMW801TJ and TQ which had very capable turbo superchargers.
@albertbulanov3739
@albertbulanov3739 4 жыл бұрын
Really well made video, very detaled, loved it. As you talked about a "rare" plane with a ,"rare" engine i would like to suggest as next topic video the engine "Reggiane RE-103" angine (also your thogths as it goes in the "what-if range") and maybe the "Reggiane Re 2005", i think it would be pretty a unic topic, greetings from Italy
@MajorBorris
@MajorBorris Жыл бұрын
For a quick conversion of km/h to mph simply divided by half and add 10%. 600kmh👉300kmh + %10 = 360mph 372mph to be more precise. Learning how to quickly convert metric to imperial is much easier than cross-referencing or pulling out a calculator.
@russellnixon9981
@russellnixon9981 3 жыл бұрын
This is fascinating stuff. An excellent presentation of a little known subject.
@zdog90210
@zdog90210 4 жыл бұрын
Another great video! Thank you! Would love a video on bombers some time in the future!
@watchmanschannelofdespair
@watchmanschannelofdespair Жыл бұрын
Back in the day (late 90's) Microsoft's Sidewinder flight stick introduced me to Fighter Ace, which introduced me to the FW Dora, the D12, Ta 152 H-1, Yak 3, Tempest, BF 109 K-4 and others. I always loved the Ta's design and abilities (in game at high altitude & 30 mm cannons), getting up there however, with late war Allied planes flying about, was a mission in itself. lol
@jannesoderholm
@jannesoderholm 4 жыл бұрын
I just love your videos with all their technical details and using primary sources. Thank you!
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks.
@arjunarabindranath
@arjunarabindranath 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video. Best channel on KZfaq. Hands down. I would pay for these if I could.
@arjunarabindranath
@arjunarabindranath 4 жыл бұрын
I'm at the point of the video where you mentioned your patreon. Will get on that.
@tomseeberg6509
@tomseeberg6509 4 жыл бұрын
This plane was actually hitting the lower stratosphere
@jamesharmer9293
@jamesharmer9293 3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting video. I'm trying to imagine the state the pilots must have been in when they flew these. They would have to be a good pilot to be entrusted with one of these rare and very expensive planes to start with and they knew that it was as good if not better than anything else out there. But at the same time they must have known that the war was lost and that there was nothing that they could do about it. So sort of exhilarating and depressing at the same time. Bummer.
@petervollheim5703
@petervollheim5703 4 ай бұрын
Great video Greg - much thanks!
@WildBillCox13
@WildBillCox13 4 жыл бұрын
A fine episode. Thanks for posting, Greg! I will eagerly await your Fw-190 series.
@Gman-109
@Gman-109 4 жыл бұрын
Man I love your content Greg. Always been interested in WW2 fighters, and flew Aces High online since it came out in 1999, and when the TA152 came out in that game, it became one of my favorite. It's too bad so much of that game is fought at mid to low alt, but in scenarios and the odd time, having the TA152 over 25k was a huge advantage against almost every allied threat in the game. The 30mm gun with it's large ammo loadout (much more than the K4 or G10 109) along with the 2 MG151/20mm really hit hard too. Running into P47M in the game was always a very interesting fight at high altitude. Great video, these channel never disappoints, and I always learn something (usually many things) I didn't know, despite all the books/forums/etc I've read.
@Howie262
@Howie262 4 жыл бұрын
ACEs High was underrated as hell. Great MMO I usually messed with G10’s with wing cannons or 163’s for trolling.
@sergiocontreras9436
@sergiocontreras9436 4 жыл бұрын
Master piece love the fw 190 and ta's variants
@Sovjetski-
@Sovjetski- 3 жыл бұрын
I think this is the nicest plane ever made
@ronsindric4241
@ronsindric4241 3 жыл бұрын
This is indeed a lean, graceful fighting machine that deserves to be ranked with the SPITFIRE and MOSQUITO !
@lexthy286
@lexthy286 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting procedure. Composed of two parts (A andB): Part A clearly refers to the mandatory use of the oxygen mask above 4000m. Point 1 describes what to do: open the remote valve and monitor the oxygen guard. The O2-Wächter is a panel mounted gauge, e.g.: Anf-Z. Fl. 30489. It only has one connector at the housing, which I assume connects to the oxygen line from the tanks assembly, but somewhere downstream of a pilot side regulator. Possibly similar to the flow indicator found on today’s QD-Mask storage container (the white star). Point 2 describes the procedure, for the event, the pilot experiences difficulty breathing (Atemnot). Here, an ellbow activated switch will provide constant flow of oxygen, possibly under positive pressure. I am guessing, this button is a toggle. However, the procedure does indicate, how to stop using the Sauerstoffdusche. Part B seems so deal with the operation of the pressurised cockpit. Although, it is not clearly stated, that it is the cockpit and not another mode of operation for the mask-oxygen system. I am guessing, that pressurised compartments are so novel an idea at that time, that there is no chapter for pressurisation in the manual. I assume part B indeed describes operation of the pressurisation system, as it states “Atemluft” under point 1. So there is a distinct difference between A and B, as A deals with “Sauerstoffatmung”; so pressurised air as opposed to oxygen. Since there are no storage containers for compressed air in the aircraft, to my knowledge, this would hence be compressed ambient air. Anyway, if it is describing the pressurised cockpit, the manual here states, that pressurised operation should commence at 8000m of altitude. Point 1 instructs to switch the rotary slider for breathing air supply to position “Pressurized operation”. Followed by (point 2) the instruction to fill (a) pressurehose, by activating the corresponding valve for 15.20 seconds. I assume this pressure hose is an inflatable canopy seal. Point 3 then describes to monitoring part of the operation, which instructs, to periodically check (a) chamber inner pressure for nominal pressure, equal to 8km of pressure altitude. This is certainly the briefest pressurisation and oxygen system operation procedure I have ever come across in over 30 years of flying.
Focke-Wulf Fw 190 Pt. 1, design philosophy and features.
38:13
Greg's Airplanes and Automobiles
Рет қаралды 404 М.
World War Two JET POWER
24:30
Greg's Airplanes and Automobiles
Рет қаралды 147 М.
Кадр сыртындағы қызықтар | Келінжан
00:16
7 Days Stranded In A Cave
17:59
MrBeast
Рет қаралды 77 МЛН
Logo Matching Challenge with Alfredo Larin Family! 👍
00:36
BigSchool
Рет қаралды 20 МЛН
The Giant sleep in the town 👹🛏️🏡
00:24
Construction Site
Рет қаралды 19 МЛН
P-51 vs. 109 Drag, The Truth!
30:10
Greg's Airplanes and Automobiles
Рет қаралды 252 М.
WW2 Aircraft Weapons 50 cal. Vs The World
1:05:52
Greg's Airplanes and Automobiles
Рет қаралды 100 М.
Fw 190 Engine Control Kommandogerat
42:39
Greg's Airplanes and Automobiles
Рет қаралды 113 М.
De Havilland Mosquito vs. ?
26:13
Greg's Airplanes and Automobiles
Рет қаралды 525 М.
The Fokker Dr.1 was Good, But It's Not Why You Think.
16:37
Greg's Airplanes and Automobiles
Рет қаралды 183 М.
Ta-152 - The 'Ultimate' German Prop Fighter in Combat (Part 1)
14:07
P-47 Thunderbolt Pt. 7 Firepower, A Lot of Firepower.
1:00:11
Greg's Airplanes and Automobiles
Рет қаралды 406 М.
Advancements In Propellers 1909-1942
34:42
Greg's Airplanes and Automobiles
Рет қаралды 193 М.
Кадр сыртындағы қызықтар | Келінжан
00:16