Let's Talk About AIO Orientation... Again
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3 жыл бұрынSomeone had to say it. This issue is being blown way out of proportion. Here's why.
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@GregSalazar 3 жыл бұрын
For those who need a TL:DR - Front-mounted, barbs-up radiator placement is _FINE_ a vast majority of the time. Unless your loop isn't filled correctly, air shouldn't incessantly circulate through your pump after the closed system has primed. The worst you'll likely experience in this config is a bit of noise at the top of the rad. But if pump whine persists, its very likely your loop wasn't properly filled/topped-off.
@dashkataey1740 3 жыл бұрын
Question Greg, in the market for a 240 aio. Any suggestions on ones I should consider? Thanks for the great content.
@mtnentertainment3454 3 жыл бұрын
That is true, with the exception of front mounted tubes up, AND still sitting below the pump. I just had to do an emergency recovery on a friends machine that died due to the AIO failing after just a few months because the rad was front mounted and sat below the pump, which left air bubbles in the pump and burned it out.
@nidiot37 3 жыл бұрын
You're using a microphone, there's no need to yell the whole way through the video man.
@jblps 3 жыл бұрын
@@mtnentertainment3454 ahh must not have been filled correctly 🙄
@mtnentertainment3454 3 жыл бұрын
@@jblps probably the case. it was a cooler master after all...
3 жыл бұрын
I just pour water on my motherboard every now and then and my temps are so low
@Titansfan81 3 жыл бұрын
Funny af!
@jamiekelly6851 3 жыл бұрын
Do you get your money back for that.
@ryankl1984 3 жыл бұрын
ambient temps ✔
@superiorsam3997 3 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@MyXblackx 3 жыл бұрын
Legend😂😂😂
@GearSeekers 3 жыл бұрын
Yes! The amount of times I've had to correct people is ridiculous! People only hear what they want to hear. Great work mate!
@xlAnimosty 3 жыл бұрын
You can’t correct Steve. Steve corrected you.
@rayzimmermin 3 жыл бұрын
the reason barbs up is bad is because the air pocket at the top of the rad is competing for room in the intake tube thus limiting the amount of fluid that can flow to the cold plate thus making the fluid heat up more causing the while system to get warmer their for increasing the pump and fan speed to keep it cool also the warmer the fluid the warmer it make the tubes and when the tube are to warm permeation increases meaning the fluid will leach into the tubes more making the air pocket bigger and their for taking up more room in the intake tube further restricting flow and their for exacerbating the situation THE MORE YOU KNOW
@rayzimmermin 3 жыл бұрын
@Nick Diesal because automobiles are basically custom loops with reservoirs and are not what we are talking about hear we are talking AIOs with no reservoir they are similar but very different
@rayzimmermin 3 жыл бұрын
@Nick Diesal also the majoritie of autos i see have the barbs down and the fill port up
@rayzimmermin 3 жыл бұрын
@Nick Diesal you obviously did not read my first post yes orientation matters in an AIO because they fluid permutates the tubes making the air pocket inside gets bigger if you have barbs up that air pocket sits at the level of the barbs and gets sucked into the tubes now even if the air never makes it to the pump the air pocket being sucked into the intake tube restricts the amount of fluid that can get into the intake tube meaning you are not getting the full flow of fluid having less fluid making its way to the cold plait means the fluid will actually heat up more meaning you pump and fans will kick in more to compensate and the more your pump and fans run at higher speeds the sooner they weir out and fail and no its not that hard to understand at all its basic hadronic theory i learned way back in high school BTW im a trained hydraulic diagnostician so i do know a thing or two about hydraulics and fluid dynamics
@SlappytheNinja 3 жыл бұрын
People just love telling other people on the internet that they're wrong.
@calvin. 3 жыл бұрын
They want to force their opinions on others.. smh
@gu3z185 3 жыл бұрын
Rong
@SckharVawn 3 жыл бұрын
You're wrong. . . . . . . . . . Sorry I didn't want to miss the opportunity.
@plzitzjustmahcheezits909 3 жыл бұрын
@@calvin. It’s not an opinion it’s just pure fact, front mounted barbs up is harmful and you’re stupid if you think otherwise
@BC_Hunter 3 жыл бұрын
You’re totally wrong.
@NZXTglobal 3 жыл бұрын
✍PUT✍MORE✍WATER✍
@enseaay4215 3 жыл бұрын
Yup, Note that. Two more thing: Reasonable price and simple cable management
@xbyxenos3200 3 жыл бұрын
I using a h510
@god.mp4 3 жыл бұрын
Fix your cases lmao
@ejolnafaz2357 3 жыл бұрын
Fix your marketing for the aio
@SachinBalan_PB 3 жыл бұрын
Ya Mesh Front for more air flow will definitely fix it. Meshify 2 XL just nailed it.
@therealr0bert 3 жыл бұрын
This topic triggers me so much, thank you for setting the record straight. If a product is defective or ill designed I don’t want to baby it so it limps along anyway.
@cracklingice 3 жыл бұрын
They do actually intentionally leave some air in AIOs for thermal expansion to reduce leaks. Water doesn't compress as well as air.
@cshader2488 3 жыл бұрын
Water doesn’t compress at all.
@wholebrain8457 3 жыл бұрын
Water does compress, but a very tiny bit.
@cshader2488 3 жыл бұрын
@@wholebrain8457 not in this instance though.
@fatboi_6976 3 жыл бұрын
@@wholebrain8457 water doesn’t compress, unless you have an insane amount of power, this is a tiny little pump in a computer, so definitely no water compression here
@wholebrain8457 3 жыл бұрын
@@fatboi_6976 I agree. "Here" or "in this instance" are the keys to the point of contention.
@chadng84 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the content glad you came out and expressed how you felt about the subject matter - This helps me to feel more confident about how I’m going to mount my AIO here shortly.
@Uwenthol_J_Gibblesworth 3 жыл бұрын
My AIO is barb up, front mounted, no issues. Only hear a bit of water movement when my PC first turns on, but beyond that, no issues. No idea that this was a thing.
@Catalinddm 3 жыл бұрын
Lol. I have my AIO mounted radiator at the top of the case and I still hear some gurgling for the first 30 seconds.
@theicedragon100 3 жыл бұрын
some manufactures have a lot more air in the loop than others. Up to 10% by volume.
@brianfox771 3 жыл бұрын
Same: barb up, front mounted, no issues. just a bit of gurgling when it starts up or I start up a game. Only fan noise after that. I installed it that way because is was the easiest way to do so without twisting up the tubes or blocking space.
@Uwenthol_J_Gibblesworth 3 жыл бұрын
I had no choice, my case was a bit smaller than expected, so the AIO wasn't fitting top mounted. Had to move around fans, but the end result was much better than expected
@soulblad3X 3 жыл бұрын
I've had mine barb down ever since i installed due to me liking barb down aesthetically more. I don't hear gurgling but that could juat be my fans be loud. 😂
@RadioactiveLobster 3 жыл бұрын
Instructions Unclear: Installed Noctua NH-U12A
@alaeriia01 3 жыл бұрын
Ha ha, you should have gone for the D15
@SheikMMO 3 жыл бұрын
i have mine on the topside, been running for 6-7 years now, no issues with temps so far.
@xlAnimosty 3 жыл бұрын
It’s only a big deal now because Steve finally said something about it. He’s definitely one of the most respected opinions in the PC hardware community.
@Shyvorix 3 жыл бұрын
Yep. Problem is, people take his word and worship him as if it was spoken from God himself and even he has been getting supremely annoyed by it. (I vividly remember him mentioning in a video this crusading and how it's been greatly annoying him)
@Sup_D 3 жыл бұрын
I think another problem was that Steve didn't give a Simple Summary at the End of video, and gave a full-on in-depth analysis on the whole subject, which most viewers would have skipped half the time (because not everyone could understand in-depth analysis), and only took in a few tit-bits from it and went on commenting on it to others.
@Shyvorix 3 жыл бұрын
@@Sup_D Yea. We get that some form factors are better than others with regards to positioning, but it's not that huge a deal unless your aio wasn't made properly at all or you mounted pump at the tippy top. Other than that 99.9% of people will be just fine.
@kevindellatore 3 жыл бұрын
@@Sup_D they saw "tubes up might not be okay for you" and took it as "if you have your tubes up at all, then you're CPU will catch on fire and the AIO will explode water" or something. The main point in his video is to not have the pump be the highest point in the loop, the only downside to having tubes up, is that you MIGHT hear some sounds
@connorosullivan3500 3 жыл бұрын
Hordes of Loyal angry nerds pretty much
@71janas 3 жыл бұрын
I'm still waiting for The Verge to come with the best mounting solution 😂😂. Thanks Greg👍
@LunaRose1312 2 жыл бұрын
First you need the aio mounting applicator, *thats right we got one*
@gothik33 3 жыл бұрын
I'll be honest, I flipped my radiator around with barbs on the bottom because I do care about noise in my room and I like to keep it as quiet as possible. But I could do it because I had sufficient space in my system to do so, do not try to forcefully put your barbs down if you do not have enough clearance or cable length as you could create situations where your cables are subjected to intense stress from being very tightly squeezed and over time damage them. Bottom radiator is still bad though, if it is the only place in your case where it fits, perhaps a new better case is in order.
@jasong.902 3 жыл бұрын
The only thing not addressed in this video that Gamers Nexus has is permeation. As a clc ages and more air permeates the loop, barbs down becomes the more optimal orientation.. I would argue that someone on a budget who needs an aio to last as long as possible should consider this. However, if a case only allows a 280 or 360 to be mounted tubes up, I personally would choose more cooling capacity. Especially since there are affordable aio options out there.
@thewardan8431 3 жыл бұрын
This is exactly the video I needed to see. I bought a new 360mm AIO and the clearance up top wasn't enough to clear the exhaust fan or front fans without crushing the tubes so I opted for a front panel aio but the tubes wouldn't fit past the gpu and the psu shroud and could only be mounted with barbs up top. But after seeing GN video I was hesitant as I didnt wanna break my aio. Im glad this has put my mind at ease and have now got it set front panel with barbs up in a push-pull configuration. Thank you
@alxbkers 2 жыл бұрын
Such a non-issue - Steve is just a very informative guy with videos that really are in-depth - the only thing people should really worry about is to not mount the radiator at the bottom of the case.
@jdbeast 2 жыл бұрын
This. This is the answer. Rad at the bottom is the problem.
@dburress78 Жыл бұрын
wrong, the entire point of tSteves video was to show IDEAL mounting positions for the life of your pump. If you CAN you should avoid mounting with barbs up.
@DesignsByIFR 3 жыл бұрын
Well said. Very frustrating seeing this nonsense blown out of proportion.
@ScatterVolt 3 жыл бұрын
I support this video
@GregSalazar 3 жыл бұрын
luv u
@SwipsHimself 3 жыл бұрын
Yes sirrrr
@_wallnutz_ 3 жыл бұрын
You support bubbling air through pumps. Lol
@paladingeorge6098 3 жыл бұрын
I think Steve was pretty spot on about the AIO stuff, but people keep getting upset about nothing. I currently use my 120mm AIO barbs up with the top above the block - and I got the AIO about a month or two before Steve's video (it is my first one!). What I found when I was experimenting with orientation was that placing the radiator below the block does in fact cause lots of noise and severely reduce the AIO's performance. By placing it barbs up, as Steve would suggest, the pump will make some noise for a short while until the bubbles settle, and when they did it became whisper silent. Honestly, I don't get why people keep getting so confused about what Steve said - if your AIO is making lots of noise, change the orientation dangit!
@BPSCustoms 3 жыл бұрын
"Air is less dense than water" - citation needed
@HurricaneJahya 3 жыл бұрын
www.sanfransentinel.com/densityofwaterandair.html
@shaneeslick 3 жыл бұрын
Air & Water are both less dense than the people making the 'Barbs up, You are wrong' comments 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@andrewscasualmtb 3 жыл бұрын
NZXT: Write that down!!!
@rangersmith4652 3 жыл бұрын
Air at standard atmospheric pressure is less dense than water. Air under very high pressure is used to displace the water a submarine's ballast tanks to get it quickly to the surface in certain emergencies, so is it then more dense?
@isseichang269 3 жыл бұрын
@@rangersmith4652 so your aio is a submarine? if air is more dense than water, and you fill your submarine tanks with air than water, your submarine would then go down deeper than actually going up, no?
@strahd1969 3 жыл бұрын
the other point Steve made is that over time fluid loss occurs and that is where failures happen. so showing the lower fill is an important consideration. Long term that will cause more noise and then can cause failures. brand new AIOs are usually not going to be a problem until they have been used for a few years.
@PoshMurder 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly. Steve's point was for efficiency over time, not short-term. The longevity of the AIO is severely impacted through improper orientations. Not everyone can afford to upgrade their PC every year or two, some KZfaqrs (like this one) give me that impression that this is expected. I'd suggest this guy to actually listen to what Steve said, instead of skipping over the video which seems obvious is what may have happened here.
@rustykamai5450 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you greatly for this video and the clarity in its content. Very much appreciated as I am in the near future ready to build my first PC. 🙏
@Zero_Reaper13 3 жыл бұрын
had my corsair 240 aio since 2011 and its still going strong.
@aasimsiddiqui7563 3 жыл бұрын
hey greg i used to watch you when you were at like 20-50k or smthn i remeber ur white gtx 1070 build and your channel just disappeared from my feed somehow and I just started watching you again feels really good man :)
@GregSalazar 3 жыл бұрын
"...and your channel just disappeared..." sounds like typical KZfaq behavior, unfortunately :-( Nonetheless, I appreciate your support! Welcome back!
@loganhuwe9458 3 жыл бұрын
wow that pc brought back memories i forgot I had
@silver.airsoft 3 жыл бұрын
@@GregSalazar I built my PC based on that build, white pcb's, gpus and 0 rgb lol
@Phynellius 3 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately many AIO and case combinations don't allow for optimal positioning. The main concern is permeation of fluid out of the loop over time, but if your loop is filled properly this should be some considerable time down the road. In a suboptimal position permeation will cause issues earlier is all
@BigSiss 2 жыл бұрын
Among one of the best explanations and demonstrations out there; thank you for clarifying this for so many people! 🙏
@GregSalazar 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching this one!
@brainiac9579 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks... Just thank you! It really had to be done, and after your post, I was wondering how you were going to address it. That was just perfect.
@Mc.Nuggetz 2 жыл бұрын
I love when people say your loop will die quickly lol. I’ve had a Corsair h50 for 11 years and the tubes have always came from the top and it still runs just fine.
@littlecesarv2500 2 жыл бұрын
Really
@zach2011w 3 жыл бұрын
Good to hear, now I just have to figure out how to fit in my 280 AIO.
@TMG.608 3 жыл бұрын
We missed this kind of videos... keep it up !
@rtxrt73 3 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate videos like this one that helps people understand the how behind they why.. keep doing this,👍👍
@RodovalPTY 3 жыл бұрын
"Apologies for the audio" The audio is perfect
@GregSalazar 3 жыл бұрын
I was a bit surprised in playback that the shotgun mic did as well as it did!
@fred_derf 3 жыл бұрын
Actually the audio was rather thin, but still very listenable.
@DanielNavas1 3 жыл бұрын
Was waiting for you to pop off on this one
@jayindutissera4459 2 жыл бұрын
Bruh, Thanks a lot for this video. It was very helpful for my doubt and your explanation is super awesome. Keep up the good work!
@Volker_A4 3 жыл бұрын
I just switched to a Corsair pump and I had to mount it tubes on top for it to fit in an h500. I occasionally here the water moving for a split second, but that's it. And I think that's usually right when it first turns on. So thanks for letting me know not to worry too much about it. Side Note the RGB on it is amazing totally blew my mind.
@craigrobertson8476 3 жыл бұрын
8:10 I don't think the manufacture put insufficient amounts of water in it, I think it's because they sawed it open.
@exmortis4404 3 жыл бұрын
Funny I had a Corsair AIO actually gurgle with a barb up mounting. It was after a year or so, but it did slowly get worse over its second year, but new build and new AIO solved the issue :). But that's only once in at least 5 or 6 AIOs I have used. I find they fail so often that you rarely get to that point due to permeation loss, in fact I went custom hard tube with my latest build. BTW thanks between your videos on hard tubing along with Jays, it was way easier then I expected. Serious awesome work!
@GregSalazar 3 жыл бұрын
I appreciate the support! Send a pic of your custom loop via Twitter/FB if you get a chance! Would love to see it.
@exmortis4404 3 жыл бұрын
@@GregSalazar Hey Greg thanks for the reply. Sent you three photos. 3900x, X570 Aorus Master, Vega64 Strix, 4x8GB Corsair Dominator, 10xML120 RGB fans, 3x360mm EK rads, Corsair HX1000 PSU along with corsair pump/res combo all run by commander pro. OH via FB message.
@Enders 3 жыл бұрын
Love seeing you use the exact radiator I installed in my rig last month for this demonstration. My tubes are the highest point in my loop and yeah, I have the fittings at the top of my front mounted rad.
@thecasualdad84 3 жыл бұрын
My AIO is front mounted, and tubes on top with my pump a lot lower than the tubes/top of radiator. I don’t hear anything and my temps are really low!
@TheReaI0ne 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this video! The whole thing has gotten blown so out of proportion
@InvinsableNoob 3 жыл бұрын
Guys sorry i can't come out and play today I.... am having too much pump discomfort
@beefxcastle 3 жыл бұрын
The amount of people telling me to flip my rad so that tubes are down since building my first PC a month ago has been astounding. I tried to mount them down, as I watched that GN video before building my PC, but my case wouldn't allow it to fit that way. So now any time I post a picture of my build, I feel the need to preemptively explain that I understand tubes up isn't optimal, but it was the only way my rad would fit as a means to deter people from continuing to bark at me about it. Thanks for making this video hahaha.
@KawaiiM4A1S 3 жыл бұрын
I saw someone yesterday or the day before with this exact problem. His first build got recommended to people, and then people started flaming them because they thought they were magically experts because they watched one video. Edit: he had an NZXT case and couldn't mount his rad upside down either.
@WatchMysh 3 жыл бұрын
This is what happens if you just watch videos without using this weird thing inside your head.
@chickfilagaming1422 3 жыл бұрын
You should flip them
@conscious2270 2 жыл бұрын
is ur aio doing fine still? and was it doing bad or is it peforming good
@beefxcastle 2 жыл бұрын
@@conscious2270 My AIO is fine a year later, never had any issues that I'm aware of. Never seen my CPU go above 70 or 80 degrees, even using Intel's CPU burn test software for like 20 minutes straight.
@alexdalziel4073 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for making this video! I was putting together a PC this past weekend and was debating taking it to a professional because of Steve’s video making me think that my radiator would explode or something if I went tubes top.
@ipodfan321 3 жыл бұрын
Super helpful for my build first time AIO, thank you!
@Ccody47 3 жыл бұрын
Ridiculous multiple tech KZfaqrs have to keep reiterating this. Steve made it very clear tubes up top was more about noise than anything. It was great for me to see as I would occasionally hear like a squirt sound coming from my AIO, thinking it was about ready to die. Just flipping it over fixed that immediately. Made no difference to performance, just an occasional, brief, noise.
@dallatorretdu 3 жыл бұрын
we need to dig deeper on how much a closed loop is really filled... Because it gets emptier with time, but how much? some units die at 1-2 year some 5 years and still working?!
@shaneeslick 3 жыл бұрын
You will have to buy one of every AIO (even every Asetek) & run them all for years to do this test, except for Enermax AIOs as it only takes about a year for them to grow gunk that will kill them 🤢🤮
@satsunada 3 жыл бұрын
My current AIO on the rig I'm typing this comment on is 6 years and no issues. When I say 6 years, this thing may have been turned off for like 4 weeks in 6 years. I don't stress the system too terribly much but temperatures have been relatively stable and no noise. I do watch it a bit more carefully nowadays though. I also know the last revision the manufacturer did with this particular model fails horribly on a regular basis. That's why I'm not recommending it by name. So not all AIO's are made the same and some are just better. Except Enermax, they are just hot garbage.
@blubbi4ever 3 жыл бұрын
Sorry for the noob question, but how should the radiator be mounted on the front if the motherboard layout is inverted (e.g. Corsair Carbide C600 or be quiet silent base 801)? barbs up or barbs down?
@jordanbaublitz390 3 жыл бұрын
keep up the awesome content Greg!
@TaimatCR 3 жыл бұрын
Laughs in custom loop, cries in maintenance
@blurryface9910 2 жыл бұрын
Would love to start seeing transparent tanks on AIO's, even if it's just a sliver on top and bottom. This should improve customers' ease of mind and decrease returns/warranty claims, all while not even being able to see the transparent side in just about every case.
@makemoneynow5061 3 жыл бұрын
This video is worth watching! More of this, please!
@Koz.for.Concern 3 жыл бұрын
Every few days or so, I'll hear the smallest gurgle for about 5 seconds on my top-mount. Is that normal?
@wedgoku 3 жыл бұрын
I use a "Lian Li PC-T60B" open air test bench as my daily case, I modified it & added a 120mm XSPC radiator bracket in the front of the case in order to mount my 120mm AIO for my EVGA RTX 2080ti XC Gaming Hybrid. I tested tubes up,down,sideways ect. I found out in the end it does NOT matter which direction the tubes on your AIO are facing & I ended up putting the tubes sideways for a cleaner look & better tube routing.
@mateomarangelli9191 3 жыл бұрын
Yoooo AIO top mounted-exhaust-gang rise up
@mateomarangelli9191 3 жыл бұрын
@Clark Majewski Yeah but i have my thing undervolted anyway. Also i have a 30 series FE card, so it cools it down as well.
@thedarkflameknight7942 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video. I got learn a lot and I too thought it was a less than ideal position. Really appreciate this. Thanks Greg.
@jujuboohoo 3 жыл бұрын
I've been out of the loop for years and have never messed around w water cool and AIO. Now, is it not possible to have a bleeding screw to bleed air like you could on engines?
@CrazyRC 3 жыл бұрын
Love that you addressed this. Keyboard warriors have been at me since that video came. 😵
@TheWretchedWorld 3 жыл бұрын
this aio debate is what made me change to a large tower cooler
@Fastball115 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for clarifying the lack of severity of the issue. I also took away from the Gamer's Nexus video that you should only top mount or front mount barbs down.
@yourhandlehere1 3 жыл бұрын
The picture of the computer I'm getting shows a 120 on the exhaust with the tubes at top. It seems I should turn the radiator so the tubes are on bottom if possible. Yes?
@HaseoSpeedruns 3 жыл бұрын
very well said, greg! the mounting orientation "problem" has been overstated, when really, it wasn't as big of an issue as one might think.
@jacobdaniels3246 3 жыл бұрын
Whatever orientation you are, we love you ✌😔
@HurricaneJahya 3 жыл бұрын
LOL good one m8
@asimo8146 3 жыл бұрын
Nice one ahahahahaha
@debatebore1057 3 жыл бұрын
Greg, I have an Arctic Liquid Freezer II 360 mounted tubes up with the tubes running along the top of the case and bending down the cpu (tubes never relaxed so that they would bend down and them come back up to the cpu, anyway). After a month of use I experience some gurgling. It lasts only a second or two and mostly happens after shifting the case a bit. Anything to worry about here? I don't think so, but wanted to ask. Thanks.
@tradcatpat2385 3 жыл бұрын
Very helpful, thanks Greg!
@soupwizard 3 жыл бұрын
4:36 So really Greg is holding a Corsair 360mm Convectionator
@matthewmcewen1 3 жыл бұрын
That was painful to listen to
@soupwizard 3 жыл бұрын
@@matthewmcewen1 I'm going to call them convectionators from now on, it sounds like a term from an alternate reality. And fans are now called blowers. "The Buccaneer D150i Elite, with a 360mm convectionator and three 120mm high static pressure blowers"
@anirudhprabhu8521 3 жыл бұрын
soupwizard 😂😂
@alaeriia01 3 жыл бұрын
"Behold, Perry the Platypus! My Convectionator! I, um, don't really know what it does."
@brandankankel5209 3 жыл бұрын
@@soupwizard with words like that you could easily charge $750
@chuck_norris 3 жыл бұрын
the "gurguling" sound is actualy kinda satisfying ngl.. you hear it only once in a while anyways😂🤷🏻♂️
@Koz.for.Concern 3 жыл бұрын
Is it normal to have a short gurgle every few days? My rad is top-mounted and I almost never even notice the sound
@mr.soyhair8888 3 жыл бұрын
Lol yea it’s kinda good cause it always at the beginning so you know your pump is working lol
@chuck_norris 3 жыл бұрын
@@lovesrc4296 How is bad? The top of the aio is still higher than the pump. Air will still stay at the highest posiiton LOL. Its probably just water shooting from the Tube. Btw by "once in a while" i mean like twice a day :)
@OortCloud 3 жыл бұрын
I literally NEVER heard a noise from my AIO and it’s front mount tubes up.
@tatt2jon 3 жыл бұрын
I'm looking to get my first aio liquid cooler and your video cleared up a lot of questions for me. I was wondering which ones you would recommend because there are so many
@Exnihilo37 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this video. I’m a new pc building and I was mounting my first aio
@stephena2720 3 жыл бұрын
Rad, top mounted and with a small spacer on the side that your pipes are mounted is the easiest way to mount an AIO. Would be great if manufacturers began to create a mount that gives the small incline that spacers do in order to solve the issue for everyone.
@rangersmith4652 3 жыл бұрын
Most people would prefer the radiator level, purely for aesthetics.
@stephena2720 3 жыл бұрын
@@rangersmith4652 Absolutely. But with the rad top mounted and if the spacer is thin enough, you won't have a visible line to see through your glass. Agree it could look bad if done poorly though. Manufacturers could easily create a mount that would work aesthetically or (much more work) redesign the rad internally to have the small incline required.
@GroudFrank 3 жыл бұрын
Turns out tech Jesus has more in common with the real Jesus than we thought - an all-round good guy but some of his followers are nuts.
@masterdftw4983 3 жыл бұрын
Dude no other tech tubers does the extensive work around pc parts more than tech jesus. You would be a fool to think otherwise.
@GroudFrank 3 жыл бұрын
@@masterdftw4983 I am a subscriber to GN and love Steve's content. I think he does great work and I think he did great work with his AIO placement video. That doesn't change a thing about my comments and Greg's video because we aren't talking about Steve. We're talking about the elements of GN's fan base that act like zealots and are misinformed about Steve's conclusions in his video.
@Esteb86 3 жыл бұрын
@@masterdftw4983 you obviously didn't read his comment. He said Steve's followers. Not Steve.
@rigjockey67 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent vid Greg
@2kdesignstudios72 3 жыл бұрын
Thx Greg. Is it safe to say we should just avoid Phanteks Evolv non air (1&2)?
@romeosmith07 3 жыл бұрын
Getting a prebuilt from Best Buy today 😁😁
@GregSalazar 3 жыл бұрын
I'll say a prayer.
@snapshot2356 3 жыл бұрын
@@GregSalazar walmart pc flash backs
@bjammin7d 3 жыл бұрын
@@GregSalazar Savage
@connor040606 3 жыл бұрын
@@GregSalazar LMAO
@StefanEtienneTheVerrgeRep 3 жыл бұрын
Did you screw holes into your radiator like real pros do? Cause I do!
@merwinpique 3 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👌
@brandonyoung181 3 жыл бұрын
Just remember to screw with confidence.
@brandonyoung181 3 жыл бұрын
@@avila.juan927 he not fighting static, he fighting cancer! haha
@praetorxyn 3 жыл бұрын
I like to put mine on the top because 1. I think it gets the tubes "the most out of the way" and thus looks better. 2. When you only have one radiator, its purpose is to exhaust heat, and I prefer to exhaust out of the top and intake in the front.
@petespc5216 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I'm so tired of reading all the "you mounted it wrong hurrdurr" on so many build videos. I'll forward people to this video from now on
@mroestarr 3 жыл бұрын
Wish I watched this before I cut into my psu shroud to go barbs down.
@ChadeGB Жыл бұрын
I think the confusion comes from over-complication, too much detail for most average builders. The most important take away is this: 1) Don't have the pump higher than the highest point of the radiator. 2) Ideal orientation is tubes at the bottom with the pump sitting midway in the radiator. 3) Top mount is the second most desirable if front mount, tubes down not possible. 4) Front mount tubes at the top is ok, just not ideal, as long as the pump is not higher than the radiator. 5) Always avoid mounting the radiator at the bottom.
@PCG2022 2 жыл бұрын
I have installed my rad on the top of the case but I've installed the inlet/outlet of the AIO cooler on the top at 12 O clock position? Instead of 3 or 9? Do I need to take it back off and re seal my cpu & AIO? I've seen some at top & some on the side? Really confused and this is my first build.
@ericimi 3 жыл бұрын
Greg I just ordered all my stuff for an open loop system should I be extra worried about leaks compared to my aio ? Anything I can check and double check to insure I will be safe ?
@BjornsTIR 3 жыл бұрын
I think you underestimate how much air is in a clc. Out of the 3 I had, all of them experienced at least a noise issue when mounted tubes up. (yes, with the pump lower than the tank) This isn't that big of a problem, but after a year there can be a lot more air in a loop. The 120mm cooler master radiator I used in a friends pc had up to 10°C lower temperature with the tubes on the bottom and immediately stopped making noise. I don't judge normal people for putting their radiators this way, but when tech-influencers and system integrators do it I consider them to be a bad example. I know many people that didn't even consider mounting their radiator tubes down instead and I suspect that to be because they have seen them mounted that way on pictures by system integrators and videos on youtube.
@lucariolps277 2 жыл бұрын
Sometimes a different mount isn't possible. My case for example dosent really fit my Radiator in any other way. Or sometimes the tubes are too short.
@merwinpique 3 жыл бұрын
Thnx for addressing this. People are getting crazy about GNs video.
@xiMiDNiTE 3 жыл бұрын
have a corsair H100x, front mounted, tried barbs down and barbs up, still have noise any suggestions?
@Fast85FoxGT 3 жыл бұрын
On something like the MSI Mag 240r/360r series AIOs with the pump integrated into the radiator, how should one go about mounting that? I want to go with a top mount, but really am out of my element here.
@ecobasetech4558 3 жыл бұрын
I thought this horse was beaten to death weeks ago already.....
@BattleVulture 3 жыл бұрын
The only cooling I'll ever need is the Hyper Evo 212.
@JohnSmith-hv6ks 3 жыл бұрын
I switched back to my 212 after using a 280mm aio for nearly 5 years. I forgot how quiet it is and doesn't lose out in cooling.
@haloo3951 3 жыл бұрын
@@JohnSmith-hv6ks yea mate,buy a good aio...if u want silent....
@haloo3951 3 жыл бұрын
@@JohnSmith-hv6ks ago 5 years aios were not too good
@GimMeST62 3 жыл бұрын
What about the AIO mounting position that has a pump built in the radiator like the newest MSI AIOs?
@native_built9663 2 жыл бұрын
Only question i have is if coolant eventually evaporates if possible though its sealed, with barbs up would it 1 day stop pulling liquid to pump?
@jugostran 3 жыл бұрын
2020, the year when humans have collectively decided to argue about all in one liquid coolers in their gaming machines.
@lulluf6392 3 жыл бұрын
What I understood right away after watching one or two videos of Gamers Nexus is that they are overly critical about almost anything, which isn't a bad thing per se, but should be kept in mind when taking their word as gospel
@mattvmani 3 жыл бұрын
Does the orientation of the tubes on pump matter? For instance I have the radiator in the front with the tubes down but, to gain some slack I mounted the pump with the tubes down too. Is there any issue with that?
@ElTeeger 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I needed this. After watching others explain it. I didnt get it. Now i can buy an AIO with CONFIDENCE!
@gscurd75 3 жыл бұрын
This is why I love my MSI Magcore. The pump is in the radiator so there is no wrong way to place the thing.
@RyChu05_Pleasing05 3 жыл бұрын
no gurgling noise!
@Velduanga 3 жыл бұрын
I've dealt with MSI, NZXT, Corsair, AND Cooler Master AIOs, and MSI has really dug into 1st place for me because of that pump/rad unification.
@nomeeoh4351 3 жыл бұрын
I think it’s funny that the guy calling him an idiot couldn’t spell wrong correctly 😂
@yourhandlehere1 3 жыл бұрын
He also couldn't spell "idiot"
@DamriB 3 жыл бұрын
You got my subscription! Great explanation! What do you think of the Asus Ryujin AIO?
@ranjnijan3446 2 жыл бұрын
Hello there very helpful video but I have a question. I have a case with no room for a top fan since it’s fully covered up. My question is should I do front 280 Radiator x2 fans 1 side and x3 other side of rad as Exhaust out of the case and have 1 rear fan as intake or the opposite? My main primary goal is to cool the cpu if that helps. Thanks in advance.
@allyson8880 3 жыл бұрын
while watching some how it's made videos on aio's it showed them using a vacuum pump to remove the air, and then suck the water into the loop, to remove as much air from the loop as they can while still remaining cost effective. glad you did this though, it really felt like the gamernexus video was too much scare tactic than anything else. still prefer my cooler up top, (not because it's best) I like having my front as intake to help the gpu more.
@woodypaul_ 3 жыл бұрын
lol I was quite literally researching this all weekend because I posted a picture in a forum of what I wanted my future rig to look like and got RIPPED by some keyboard warriors telling me I'm going to ruin my machine. I've always been under the impression front mounted AIOs can have tubes to the top. Thanks for the clarification, glad I'm not an crazy.
@craigjamroz7585 Жыл бұрын
yes, BUT WHY! WOULD YOU WANT THAT! wouldn't you just want piece of mind!? and NO! you shouldn't have your tubes up that is THE WHOLE POINT OF STEVES VIDEO!!! 🙄it will most likely cause pump whine and or premature pump death. ... or you could flip it to tubes down where there is NO CHANCE OF A BAD FLOW SITUATION! WHY WOULDN'T YOU WANT THE PIECE OF MIND!?😑😑😑that everything is in the optimal orientation! 🤦🤦♂🤦♀...fml
@woodypaul_ Жыл бұрын
I'm glad this comment from 2 years ago got you so riled up. Hope your blood pressure is okay.
@TommyM2 3 жыл бұрын
my gpu blows very hot air up, im using a corsair 4000d case with high airflow at the front. im thinking of putting a 360mm at the front becuase i saw bitwits video where gpu heat rises to the 240mm ontop. so should i get a 360mm and put it on the front or would that restrict airflow for my gpu?
@cosmic_drew 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for making this video. I understand what GN was doing in their video, it was well made content and very thorough but most people on KZfaq just read the title, watch 5 minutes and believe they understand the issue.
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