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@@grimreapers thanks will watch now .

You learn something every day! I wouldn't have guessed that at all - I suppose I thought of the Tucano in terms of its ground attack capability and wouldn't have expected it to perform well in A2A, even in the context of other prop aircraft.

But have any of them flown a Hurricane? Because I don't see a Tucano winning the Battle of Britain

It would be interesting IMO to see the two square off. The Sea Fury would be an even more interesting opponent. To my knowledge, the Sea Fury was the pinnacle of piston driven fighter aircraft. I saw the one that flew in Britain a number of years ago, one time, at an airshow when I was there in 'ol blighty. That thing was impressive as all hell. Not a few months later, the chap had an engine problem and had to bail out. Bad luck indeed, those aircraft are rare and flying examples even more so. Who do you think would win? Tucano, or the Sea Fury?

@@karlchilders5420 Well, you could also ask the question, 'how would a Hurricane do against a Sea Fury?'... to which the answer would be: 'with a skilled/experienced pilot, the Sea Fury would win every time... however a skilled Hurricane pilot would beat a novice in a Sea Fury a great deal of the time.' This is down to the fact that the Sea Fury was vastly more powerful than any Hurricane variant and would be able to engage and disengage at will. An experienced pilot would know that there's no reason to ever be in danger. Just run away and line up another approach. Novice pilots don't like to disengage... it doesn't look or feel like they imagine dogfighting ought to... People mistakenly think that dogfights are won with the stick but it is the throttle that matters most. Maneuvering looks cool but it is ultimately a defensive action that comes into play when there's no power advantage. A dogfight between 2 Hurricanes would be more entertaining than a dogfight between 2 Sea Furies because the Hurricane was naturally very nimble, better suited to low power, high speed maneuvers... making it an awkward target. The golden age of dogfights was pretty much over as WW2 developed. So... Tucano, or the Sea Fury? Can the Tucano out accelerate a Sea Fury in a straight line? The greater the shortfall, the closer it gets to the Hurricane.

@@GrahamMilkdrop There's an easy answer to how a Hurricane or Sea Fury would fare against a Super Tucano and it's "very badly indeed". The latter can carry all-aspect IR missiles which negate any advantages the warbirds might have. Modern aircraft are after all systems, not just airframes and engines and its things like avionics, sensors, and weapons that have advanced the most and made the biggest difference to combat effectiveness.

Mostang P51D is a very nice WWII plane I have the privilege to jump in the cockpit and have a ride next to the pilot estanding in the wing next to me and making sure that I don't touch anything that I don't have to while we were touing it to the hangar for some fuel and a small part repear when I work in the airport

Uhm ok, sounds like fighting a sword with a bow and arrow from 60 meteres away🤔

Doubt they would lock on.

@@EvoraGT430 tried, you will get a lock.

@@schweizerluchs7146 modern weapons and sensors are as much a part of modern aircraft as their engines and airframes. A guy with a sword up against a bowman is also a legitimate comparison and while it may seem like a mismatch, both have their strengths and weaknesses which could decide the fight. In an old vs new air combat scenario you could mix things up by saying that while modern planes can use modern missiles, they'll be up against a very much larger number of WW2 aircraft to reflect how many of those were built. Could be fun to see how numerically unbalanced things needed to be to give each side similar odds of winning and find out which modern aircraft would be most dominant (my money is on the Hornet with a full load of 10 AMRAAMs and 2 AIM-9s plus the gun).

@@EvoraGT430 Why? Cuban MiGs shot down Cessna 337s with missiles I think. Or they did it with cannons? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_shootdown_of_Brothers_to_the_Rescue_aircraft

Yes my friend Tucano is a graund support aircraft and not a A2A combat aircraft it will do the job but not whit a full arm jet the Mustang P51D have more of a chance...well it had it history with jet's ( Me-262 ) and the rocket German Comet's over Germany in 1945

Yeah I'd say 60 years to tech advancement would give the Tucano a "slight advantage" over the Mustang

@@ivanthemadvandal8435 I would love to see the weapons & avionics suit added to some of the different warbirds.

you also had, the F7F Tigercat (one of the fastest prop planes ever put in production) shooting down two bi-planes at night over Korea. One extreme to the other.

Nice.

exactly

Now 1.8 with srs

thx

I think you might be right, but I should add here the fact that turboprop engines don't loose much power in altitude.

@@vasopel True but the the prop is the big difference here. The Tucano's is designed for low altitude CAS not high altitude combat. Both the Mustang H and Thunderbolt M&N models top speed exceed 460 mph at 25k Feet ASL and higher.

@@crgintx hm...their speed at high altitude wouldn't make them instantly superior, also the tucano helps the pilot by digitally and automatically compensate for various flying conditions (prop angles and stuff), meaning that equally skilled pilots have a better chance in the tucano,at least that's what I believe,any experts opinion would be welcomed :-)

@@vasopel My money would be on LtCol Francis Gabreski in his P-47D Razorback against any modern pilot in a Tucano above 20k feet ASL.

@@crgintx even if he was against a clone-time traveling Francis Gabreski with the same hours of training in the Tucano? :-)

Roger, anything else changed?

@@grimreapers From the changelog: - A/G CCRP mode. - A/G Ripple Pulses (RP) and Impact Separation (IS)UFCP, -Throttle handle and stick textures. -UFCP VV/VAH format. -UFCP VV/VAH now syncs with CMFD ADHSI. -Livery template (by Cubeboy) -Argentina liveries (by GOA -Max) -Several UFCP format placeholders -Livery pack (by Urbi, gheoss) -Coldstart training mission (by Rudel_chw) -Pylons are now removable -New external 3d model with new animations -New propeller animation -New suspension parameters -New external lights (working with AI) -Speedbreak now working -Livery pack download link included

What about wwii max ceiling and speed? Bye tucano

@@RiXFortuna What about radar?

@@RiXFortuna only 1000-3000 feet difference, speed is the same, Super tocano doesn't transform into a vibrating toy(pun intended) when pushing the red line, and he doesn't loose control in a dive unlike the p51.

OP is wrong. The Tucano's guns have a 50% higher rate over the A/N M2 (800rpm vs 1200rpm) not 200%. The A/N M3 introduced late in WW2 had an equal rate of fire 1200rpm.

@@ivanthemadvandal8435 Thank you. 600-800 RPM.

Yes there are, it can have a 20mm gunpod in the central hardpoint

Guns: [5] Internal: (2×) 12.7 mm (0.50 in) 1,100 rounds per minute FN Herstal M3P machine guns, one in each wing. pod: 1 20 mm (0.79 in) 650 rounds per minute GIAT M20A1 cannon below the fuselage. pod: 1 12.7 mm (0.50 in) FN Herstal HMP for M3P machine gun under each wing pod: up to 4 7.62 mm (0.30 in) 3,000 rounds per minute Dillon Aero M134 Minigun (under development) under wings.

I did something like this, I have a video called "Hunt the spy" lol

No, it's because of it being a SFM

@Curupira Kkkkkkk

Warbirds probably have a speed advantage and would boom and zoom it. The Red Bull race planes are designed to be nimble and despite being race planes, aren't meant to hit the same speeds. Putting heavy armament on it would detract from that agility, so in the end, I would think an armed Red Bull race plane would lose out, being only slightly more agile but way slower.

@@aznmarty256 not a red bull fury

Não é caça. É avião de ataque.

Projetado pelo Lula ❤

The Tucano wouldn't stand a chance. If it's turboshaft engine is 1600hp it's not more powerful that most of those WWII aircraft. A MkIX Spit with R-R Merlin 66 was rated at just over 2000hp when pushed to the maximum. Also with less all up weight and much lighter wing loading, the Spit (and almost all other aircraft in this video) would engage and disengage at will with ease...

@@julianneale6128 Get real. There's a reason we stopped going for faster and faster planes. It's called radars and missiles. The tucano happens to equip both (sorta, it has a datalink). wwII fighters may look cool, but they are a relic of a distant past. It completely shits on wwII fighters while not even being a fighter itself.

@@kabzebrowski the question was wether the the Super Tucano could out dogfight a Spitfire, and the simple answer is that it can't and not by a long way. The Spitfire MkIX would walk all over it with ease.

@@julianneale6128 The video was comparing the a29 in a dogfight vs warbirds, but many comments - including OP's - implied the systems as their wholes ("and what have you"). What do they have? All aspect a2a missiles; thermal imagers & night vision goggles; datalinks to receive radar information. The airframe may be slightly slower in max speed and ceiling, it wasn't designed as a fighter in the first place, but the system as a whole is much superior. No pilot will take a mustang or spitfire over a super tucano.

@@kabzebrowski in that case I'll agree. But purely in a gun scenario even a MkI Spitfire would a large advantage in performance in almost all aspects.

It's animation sucks and I hate it.

@@Phoneix00 there is a new version

@@lucaallemann5941 oh thank God

Obviously not, old wwII junk will always be better than the latest avionics, datalinks, and air-to-air missiles. That's why, after reading this comment section, the USA decided to sell all their tucanos and replace them with wwII fighters.

@@kabzebrowski You got it man!

But he can't turn all the way like this can, if you go in a dive with a p51, you rest in pieces in the ground. Go in a dive in a Super tocano, the pilot blacks out while you go at 450kts ich

Yes whit all the new stuff...but I like the original P51D

But with reversed landing gear layout

@@nauuwgtx hey Nathan check the video Mustang P51 vs Tucano and you'll see how good they are one was made for A2A combat & escort B-17 & the other one was made for graund support with new electronics and No radar not a mach for A2A jet's, and some WWII planes, ect

The math is the tucano carries a datalink (gets radar info from other sources) and all aspect air-to-air missiles. Stop living in the past, Mustangs are wwII fighters, against that sort of equipement they wouldn't do shit except make the airforce have to recruit another pilot.

I think you might be right, but I should add here the fact that turboprop engines don't loose much power in altitude.

The supertucano performs even better because it is a turboprop. P51 do not get better higher.. they lose less perforamcne than other birds of the same period, but modern turboprop engines lose even less.

I'd say it's nothing. Even warbirds have a bit or non armor

Interesting idea. I suspect the difficulty would be that effective CAS is nearly always done with guided weapons these days which wouldn't work without the sensors and targeting equipment in the aircraft. In a sense the Super Tucano is a bit like a warbird that's been updated with modern avionics and systems to use the latest weapons. Warbirds could definitely use their guns, rockets and unguided bombs for CAS. Would be interesting to see how accurate they were and what kind of air defence environment they could operate in without losing too many aircraft.

The idea with the tucano is a modern close air suport. Even with rockets and machine guns, it can follow datalink and laser targets. The problem with WWII aircrafts in modern scenario is that nowadays it isn't allowed to simple lit a city on fire with bombs and dumb rockets. You need to be precise. And you can't hit your own troops in the process.

Love the idea, will have a think.

@@grimreapers This was kinda a close fight! It ended with one survivor lol funny however true and it took you both a lil while to get The Last Mustang! My point being I think your Underestimating The Warbirds, I'm certain The D-9 Dora, P-47 Thunderbolt, and as you said The Spitfire All would have provided a Close and Entertaining Fight! Especially in a One on One dogfight!👍

I know!

not that easy TBH

You have said it before but it's not how the US Navy define ACM. From BASIC FIGHTER MANEUVERING (BFM) ADVANCED NFO T-45C/VMTS - the Flight Training Instruction document used by Naval Air Training Command, Corpus Christi: "Even in the largest multi-plane engagements, for that brief moment when the decision is made to engage an opponent, aircrew are involved in a 1v1 engagement. Strike Fighter aircrew must be proficient at 1v1 Air Combat Maneuvering (ACM) to minimize time-to-kill and ensure they leave engagements unscathed." Oh look, ACM includes 1v1 engagements! You can look at USAF training manuals and they'll say the same thing - 1v1 is a critically important part of ACM. BFM is about utilising manoeuvring techniques to achieve or deny a positional advantage from which to then deploy a weapon or deny your opponent the opportunity to shoot. ACM is about incorporating BFM into wider situational awareness and understanding of factors like the presence of friendly or enemy wingmen, aircraft performance, capabilities of sensors and weapons systems, ECM, the impact of weather, the presence of ground-based anti-air assets (friendly or otherwise), use of terrain, etc to formulate an effective tactical approach to a fight. If BFM is knowing how the pieces on a chessboard move then ACM is understanding the game and knowing the moves the other player will make well before he does.

@@trolleriffic Yep, and there are also other pubs, used in the training command, that also square it away and say it *just* as defined. You practice BFM *first* then using those skills, you learn ACM. Don't take my word for it. Ask any other pilot you like, ask Mover. Ask Gonky. Robin Fucking Olds said the same thing. This transcends Navy/Chair Force. This is basic tactics we use across the US military. The Navy absolutely defined it the way I did, because it is how I was trained. They trained me, so there you have it. Having said *that* if something changed at flight school, and I doubt this would've changed, they'd update stuff and newer folks would have a different understanding. However, as I said, this isn't the sort of thing that is changed. Stuff that has changed, TOPGUN isn't on its own anymore, it's part of NSAWC, and they have made other refinements to it and the strike school that was its counterpart. So let's recap, as I said, BFM is the BASIC SKILLS you learn BEFORE ACM. You learn BFM, then you learn ACM. The one, supports the other. Period, dot, the end, full stop.

@@trolleriffic by the way, I have to point out the document you mention is ABOUT ACM. So, it's entire point is slanted to that purpose of instruction during it's period of instruction. BFM is covered separately, and PRIOR to this in the syllabus. You can go look it up. When I was there we didn't have the T-45. We had the TA-4. The 45 looks like a nice training jet, I'm sure they get good use out of it. I participated in the USAF UPT training program as an instructor. I was one of the first Marines to do this. I am the only one, as far as I am aware, that did so at Laughlin AFB. 47th FTW there. They too cover BFM, then ACM later. Most of the ACM work however is done at their B course when they get to their MWS pipeline (F-15, F-16, etc..).

Pretty sure it's Syria

yeh Syria

The main part of an Lf Spit is the engine being optimised for low altitudes.

lol

@@grimreapers During the Korean War there were incredible, unconventional air conflicts on two different occasions-- The Hawker Sea Fury shot down a MIG-15 and The AU4 Corsair also shot down a MIG-15! It doesn't stop there, Vietnam-- A-1 Skyraider shoots down MIG-17 I believe on two separate occasions!! Request-- Creat a similar scenario! Possibly use either the P-51, Spitfire, or Super Tucano to represent the American Prop Plane, unless you have something better in mind. MIG-15 would be ideal however I think the MIG-21 could be cool as well! Please tell me what you think of these unconventional historical conflicts and recreating them??✌

It's everything on modern warfare. WWII fans are completely out of their mind in this comment section. The truth is the super tucano would get them on their radar (datalink actually, but still) and send a missile on their face. End of story. It doesn't matter that X fighter was 100km/h faster or had an extra 400hp. It's a small diference on max speed, but on all the rest, it's a 1000% advantage for the modern aircraft. Remember why we stopped going for faster and faster planes in the first place? Modern avionics, radar, missiles. Those people are arguing an SR71 with .50 cals would win over the F-22. Boomer non-sense.

Are you sure about that? Read the specs of each; they'd each perform better in different envelopes, so there's situations where the P-51 would be better but others where the Tucano would almost certainly have an edge. The Tucano has a more advanced wing profile, giving it a similar advantage over Mustang that the Mustang had over lots of earlier WWII fighters. It's quite a bit lighter with similar power so it climbs faster and loses less power as it climbs because it's a gas turbine instead of a piston engine. It's got a slimmer nose/better lines of sight and a far more advanced gun sight. It's as much a fighter as the British Hawk is in some variants. No, it's not it's primary role but it's intended to train fighter pilots and to perform aerobatics and to engage aerial targets, it'll do it just fine. The P-51 has a higher service ceiling and a higher top speed and both of those can be decisive when pilots are able to use them to their advantage, but not when they're not. If the P-51s were forced to dive and engage the Tucanos they'd have an initial advantage but if they got caught up dogfighting them it they'd give the advantage back to the Tucanos. The Mustangs could control the tempo of combat so long as they didn't get too caught up on engaging. That said they can't climb to disengage unless they're at the top of the Tucano's ceiling and diving to escape would leave them vulnerable as they climb through the area they can't match the Tucano.

wow

2800hp for the final models to see combat in ww2

all aspect a2a missiles

The A29 is quite literally just that

@sneaop sneatorter the super tucano was designed from the outset as an air interceptor for low performance aircraft. They're routinely used by the Brazilian Air Force to intercept low flying drug running airplanes. In the last 4-5 years they shot down 4 planes over Brazilian airspace.

P-47 would be cool to see modernized with a turboprop and an improved airframe and technology

The A-29 can follow radar indications using datalink from a surveillance aircraft, and intercept another aircrats using it. It's how they use it at the Brazilian border. There is plans to it receive the thermo sensor that will equip the Gripen NG from Brazilian air force.

hmmm.... exactly like the f22/35?

wrong. Super tucano has better avionics, better gyro aim, being turboprop it handles negative g better. It demands far less workload of the pilot to keep it flying at max performance. Its aerodynamics is superior and it suffer far less from high AOA. It is only disadvantage is max speed.