Fast Fighter Jet Drag Race: F-4E Phantom vs The World!

Fast Fighter Jet Drag Race: F-4E Phantom vs The World! | DCS

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With the F-4E arriving in DCS, what's the first thing we need to do? A giant drag race of course!
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@mytimetunnel 23 күн бұрын

Not a legit drag race without the f104 starfighters :)

@cap.meruwkateklimana8321 23 күн бұрын

Something missing in ac7 multiplayer: drag race and racing mode

@bobwaldren462 23 күн бұрын

Or the bac lightning, that's what it was built for, and 1 in particular overtook concorde in a top speed tail chase not long after it outzoomed the Lockheed blackbird

@scottl.1568 23 күн бұрын

Very true

@AdmiralQuality 22 күн бұрын

I want one so bad. I know they're next to useless but that's half of why I want one. LOL!

@jimmyjohnjames6397 22 күн бұрын

@@bobwaldren462Not hard to out climb and out accelerate a Blackbird. The thing accelerated like a cow.

@ETRTriad 23 күн бұрын

We don't need war, we need military based Olympics!!!

@sandpiper9288 7 күн бұрын

There was a Star Trek episode about a planet that really existed kind of like that. They were at constant war but it was all a simulation.

@andreabindolini7452 4 күн бұрын

@@sandpiper9288 It was a Star Trek episode.

@sandpiper9288 4 күн бұрын

@@andreabindolini7452 ehh yeah trek

@VineGrove123 2 күн бұрын

@@sandpiper9288Except they would allow themselves to be disintegrated in a machine.

@Torashin1 23 күн бұрын

Imagine a WW2 pilot seeing this. What modern planes can do now would blow their mind!

@HyperactiveMelon 23 күн бұрын

They'd REALLY hope the plane they're seeing is on their side.

@frisk151 10 күн бұрын

I think air combat today would depressed all of them.. Air to Air + man to man aerial combat is truly a lost art.. You wanna talk about PURE combat flying.. P-51 Mustang against German and Jap's best.. AND, if lucky.. P-38 Lightning.. We likely won't have pilots in planes beyond the current generation.. Humans are just too slow and fragile.. The airframes are wickedly better than what we can handle within them..

@avigares 10 күн бұрын

You can see the reaction of usaf pilots when he sees the german jet for the first time 😂 “what the fuck was that?!?!? “

@magnashield8604 8 күн бұрын

When I was a kid my dad brought home a 386 PC and a color monitor. I thought I was in computer game heaven with 256 colors and a brand new game called Falcon and then Falcon AT. The artwork on the box didn't look as good as the graphics on this game. A person from the 1940's would be shocked not only by the real thing but just this sim would shock the crap out of them. (It would have shocked a kid in the 80's)

@douglasdixon524 8 күн бұрын

My father was a United States Army Air Corps pilot during WWII. He flew commercial airliners until 1978, he lived until 1996. Believe me, plenty of WWII veterans saw alot of or even flew modern jet aircraft. You had the SR-71 come out in the 1960s, more stealthy aircraft in the 1980s etc....

@clangerbasher 23 күн бұрын

Nice that F4 allowed lesser airyplanes to win.

@CRAZYHORSE19682003 20 күн бұрын

In real life I am skeptical of the F-16 beating the F-15 in a drag race.

@Markbell73 7 күн бұрын

I don't know. The F-15C has a .02 advantage in thrust/weight ratio. But is also slight umder 10,000 pounds heavier (empty weight). The Eagle is supremely faster at top speed. Mach 2.5 verses mach 1.7 for the Falcon However at acceleration from 0. I wouldn't be surprised if the Falvon beats the Eagle more times than not down in the dense air. The key would be tje specific drag coefficient of each airframe, and the actual length of the race, say 10 milles at 500 feet max altitude. Than how the variables of the local weather favor one frame over the other that day. It's never as simple as the numbers. And I can't find drag coefficient in a quick Google search.

@lucaswoods1155 5 күн бұрын

@@Markbell73the Falcon can actually do slightly over Mach 2.

@Markbell73 5 күн бұрын

@@lucaswoods1155 well, not according to the information I read in my search. Regardless, The Eagle is faster. But from a standing start. I'd say the Falcon has a really good chance of winning the drag race.

@lucaswoods1155 5 күн бұрын

@@Markbell73there are actual F-16 pilots who have said they have gone that fast but obviously under specific conditions like no outer pylons low fuel and I believe up at altitude.

@Markbell73 5 күн бұрын

@@lucaswoods1155 why are you debating me? I stated earlier that the information I stated was what I found in my search. I conveyed what I found. I made no absolution about what a Falcon can or can't do. The only thing I know with any certainty is that the Eagle is faster. To the tune lf mach 2.5. And that's public info. It could go faster perhaps.

@DrenoshGaming 23 күн бұрын

Would be funny to see a highest vertical push before stall in one of these, rules would be get up, wheels up, straight push to vertical, last to stall / highest altitude wins XD.

@HowlingPhantom 22 күн бұрын

Eagle wins

@DrenoshGaming 22 күн бұрын

@@HowlingPhantom it should, but be interesting to see how the rest fair.

@HowlingPhantom 22 күн бұрын

@@DrenoshGaming that’s true

@danielsnook5029 6 күн бұрын

Yeah, and I'd like to see how long they can go on full AB before running out of fuel (internal only).

@saintuk70 23 күн бұрын

Needed the Typhoon in there too..... and nice to have a Quick Climb Friday after the sprint.

@ivorharden 23 күн бұрын

Yeah more RAF aircraft

@danhodson7187 23 күн бұрын

Yeah one of its main purposes is as an interceptor so it should do well here. With how quickly it can go vertical from start I think it might even win that one. kzfaq.info94hFOuy9paQ?si=SVJ-NjzCkvNUOSu3

@cassius_eu5970 22 күн бұрын

Yeah more Luftwaffe aircraft

@eatthisvr6 23 күн бұрын

taking off with the wings back causes MORE drag not less, because you need alot more alpha for the same lift, thats why it has a cadc

@kaesees 23 күн бұрын

Yep, and you want full flaps too - just be careful not to overspeed them, or the gear!

@eatthisvr6 23 күн бұрын

@@kaesees you do t need flaps when doing this. You're through that speed range so quickly you're just asking to jam them

@nigeldepledge3790 19 күн бұрын

The main take-home from this is how desperately DCS needs the English Electric Lightning . . .

@josephhaack5711 23 күн бұрын

But the F-4 was in a great shooting position!!!

@wilson2455 22 күн бұрын

still love the F/A-18. Magnificent, reliable multi-role aircraft..

@RedBeardTheFirst 23 күн бұрын

OMG a VFA-22 Fighting Redcocks Legacy Hornet, whoever picked that skin i thank you good sir. The first squadron i remember my dad being in and my favorite squadron. YCBAR, You Can't Beat A Redcock

@theswiller85 23 күн бұрын

I can beat a white one pretty good, if you know what i mean

@CVSiN 12 күн бұрын

Sure you can... VFA-105 TRIPLE CONSECUTIVE BATTLE E winners.. Gunslingers for life. best squadron in the Navy as far as I know our triple battle E has not been achieved again.

@RAFASOP 23 күн бұрын

Needs a BAE Lighting.

@SilkyBadger 23 күн бұрын

I'll see your Lightning and raise you a TSR2 (In my dreams)

@phuzz00 23 күн бұрын

@@SilkyBadger If we're allowed prototypes, I'll take the SR.53. Jet AND rocket engines ;)

@EEEEEEE354 22 күн бұрын

It will lose horribly

@ThePaulv12 21 күн бұрын

EE *uck the BAE part of it LOL/

@ThePaulv12 21 күн бұрын

@@EEEEEEE354 @50k FPM maybe not.

@chrisknepper5153 21 сағат бұрын

The Harrier: Now let’s do it starting in the bush.

@durangodoug45 23 күн бұрын

Gotta say I’m loving the Phantom.

@valuedhumanoid6574 22 күн бұрын

Same here. I was really hard on Heatblur/Eagle Dynamics for all the delays and whatnot...but once I got it, I am VERY impressed. Not only the myriad of loadouts available, but the little attention to details like being able to click on a control and it takes you straight to the manual to explain what it is...that is just amazing. I can't wait to learn all there is about it. Some of the historical scenarios possible with the maps available are endless. Now we need that Vietnam map...

@AdmiralQuality 22 күн бұрын

Pretty good for initial launch. I just wish they hadn't spent so much effort on goofy features no one will ever use.

@Majima_Nowhere 22 күн бұрын

I've only had a couple hours in it, but a lot of A-4 knowledge transfers over. Can't wait to spend a whole weekend in this thing!

@valuedhumanoid6574 22 күн бұрын

@@Majima_Nowhere It's what I am doing right now! I took a break to watch a tutorial on air combat. Headed right back in shortly. See you in the air!

@stevetodd7383 20 күн бұрын

It would be interesting to compare against the old English Electric Lightning, an aircraft designed for the sole purpose of intercepting high altitude Russian bombers. It could climb out at 20,000 ft/min and hit 88,000 ft altitude. It was proven to be able to intercept the U2.

@FlyingWithSpurts 23 күн бұрын

Was wondering how long I had to wait for this, Phantom v Hornet was a big question I had

@chrmez 23 күн бұрын

You conveniently left out the A-10? Don't dare to dethrone the F-16?

@zcole774 Күн бұрын

The A-10 is NOT a fighter aircraft. Not only that, compared to these, it's Slooooow af lol.

@WaterComputer 23 күн бұрын

I’d be interested to see how all these fighters hold up on a longer corse.

@adamtruong1759 21 күн бұрын

With the F-15C's thrust to weight ratio, it's no surprise it did so well.

@jonah2047 12 күн бұрын

Does it pretty much stack up by thrust to weight?

@adamtruong1759 12 күн бұрын

@@jonah2047 I mean, it's natural that I'm going to bet on the aircraft that was famous for shooting down a satellite in space... in a drag race to space.

@JimBiddle. 23 күн бұрын

At least the good old Harrier, beat the parachutists!

@rmp5s 5 күн бұрын

And think about it...the Phantom held speed records for YEARS...

@lenn55 23 күн бұрын

It's strange because everyone IRL complains how weak the Hornet is in acceleration.

@wilecoyote3447 4 күн бұрын

My Thoughts exactly, I think The Flight Model is seriously broken even Gonky said as much

@RayBecker 2 күн бұрын

Pretty cool. Of course I've seen real flight ops on my carrier Independence CV-62. I was an OS (Operations Specialist) Radar Tracking, Navigation working with the Air Controllers in CIC. I was there in the mid 1980's. We had the A-7, A-6, F-14, we had a few Vigilantes, Cod, S-3 and E2C and I think on a later deployment, we had the first Hornets. My favorite was the Intruder

@zykilo674 23 күн бұрын

everyone sleeps on the hornet

@wilson2455 22 күн бұрын

still love the F/A-18. Beautiful multi-role aircraft..

@TheFoxYTB 23 күн бұрын

For me this feels like a historic and nostalgic ceremony on your channel... I love your guys work, keep it up❤💙💛 Greetings from Germany

@Mobius118 23 күн бұрын

I always look forward to the GR drag races, and this one is no exception

@whistlingbadger 22 күн бұрын

Harrier: Man, this is taking forever! A-10: Hold my beer.

@F22raptor46 23 күн бұрын

You forgot the JF-17, you could have replaced one of the Flankers with that

@JohnDoesItAll 6 күн бұрын

What a trip! I new that this was CGI but I'm a sucker for the F4 Phantom. I was not disappointed! Looks fun!

@invader2727 23 күн бұрын

That "cápeti" livery on the mig-21

@jinenjuce 23 күн бұрын

Good effort, Harrier. You tried.

@thebrain7441 22 күн бұрын

I love how the Jf-17 doesn’t even show up.

@m1t2a1 23 күн бұрын

The F-4 holds a lot of records. Including the top supplier of damaged MiG parts.

@tombeers3489 23 күн бұрын

Excellent.

@user-qn3xu5ee3t 20 күн бұрын

Just remember that MiG-21 is the top supplier of damaged f-4 parts

@markcorrigan3930 15 күн бұрын

💤💤💤💤😴😴😴

@ronaldkonkoma4356 7 күн бұрын

Distributor It's a little catchier to think of them scattering to the ground

@spartan_pilot 22 күн бұрын

That was really fun to watch haha, nice! Excessive sonic booms xD

@m1t2a1 23 күн бұрын

Do the climb to 98 000 feet. That's Operation Top Flight. Dec. 6 1959 in an F-4.

@Lord-Snowflake 20 күн бұрын

That need a redo. Put the carriers farther out. 75% of the jets havn't come close to getting up to speed

@bartbroekhuizen5617 23 күн бұрын

I think you missed the JF17 if i'm not mistaken. But nice comparison. Still i thought the F4-E would perform better, it just looks it would go faster. Actually a surprise it only beats the F-5E and F1.

@allovett6246 6 күн бұрын

Seeing the different aircraft in the air at the same time reminds me of the 80s Japanese OVA Area 88

@paulh5027 23 күн бұрын

J79-GE-17 turbojet engines with 11,870 lb s.t. (17,900 lb s.t. w/ab)

@ItsThatRickAgain 23 күн бұрын

Have you folks tried flying line abreast at 0.9M and then starting the race? My coworker flew with VX-9 for a while and that's how they did their drag races. I wonder if that would change your results.

@MBrown201175 23 күн бұрын

The f15-16s should be able to AB straight up to altitude. I've seen them do it in real life at PDX.

@gordonendicott5114 7 күн бұрын

Pang base

@goingtoscotland 8 күн бұрын

Watching these guys fly so uncoordinatedly makes me feel good about my flying

@ehta2413 23 күн бұрын

That starting pan-out makes them looks hilariously slow. Like every fighter yet takes 3 minutes to get barely moving after putting burners on the ground :D

@K3rbalSpace 23 күн бұрын

I wonder what this'd be like with a BAC Lightning in :)

@alexvolute7454 23 күн бұрын

The lightning was very fast for its time, but really any more modern fighter would mop the floor with it

@GrahamMilkdrop 23 күн бұрын

When it came along, the F4 took both the time to climb and max speed records from the Lightning.

@Pootj78 22 күн бұрын

Hungarian livery on the MiG-21Bisz :-) Nice! (It's a famous livery, it was part of a demo team at the beginning of the '90s, it's nickname was "Cápeti", a popular cartoon character)

@maximilliancunningham6091 3 күн бұрын

Not sure how accurate, but well done. TY

@miked2543 17 сағат бұрын

So glad i found this.

@SklllsS 20 күн бұрын

Waiting for the Eurofighter and we dont talk longer about the F16 :) Time for climbing vertical in the Eurofighter to 20.000 feet "YES!" :D

@ndenise3460 23 күн бұрын

Though the F-4M/I spey powered phantom had a lower top speed of had a much better acceleration. I'd like to see that dared

@rollsagressor 23 күн бұрын

to see you with TuAF Camo is awesome

@unalnamdar7076 23 күн бұрын

TurAF *

@KI5IJB 22 күн бұрын

Now we need to see this F-4E with raptor engines!

@ParkysPlace 10 күн бұрын

More of that please, more of that. Love the tarmac roar. Fawesome.

@208SledHead 8 күн бұрын

That poor Harrier....I could push a wheel barrow faster than that thing hahaha. Wildly entertaining video gents!!

@terencyowens9491 22 күн бұрын

This... but with bombers.

@SuperAd1980 23 күн бұрын

That... Was FUN...

@kozak1789 23 күн бұрын

Hi Cap, probably somebody else beat me to the punch or you were planning on doing it anyway, but could you do a 300-600 acceleration test and a max sustained turn speed for the F-4E as well as the Mirage F1? Thank you in advance and love your work!

@grimreapers 23 күн бұрын

@Lorendrawn 23 күн бұрын

It's lights out and away we go! Wait..

@SolNacht 23 күн бұрын

That looked fun, now run it again but activate the phalanx on the carriers!

@charlietheunicorn5383 23 күн бұрын

The F4E didn't have enough smoke.... when in afterburner... because the F4B/C/D were definitely smokies when in full AB.

@ronaldkonkoma4356 7 күн бұрын

I'll have to check that out because an old training video had instructors telling them to engage burner when sneaking Then berating them because nobody listened and the instructors could find them from the smoke.

@RSpracticalshooting 2 күн бұрын

what's kinda crazy is how variable the sizes are for theses jets. Some are massive and some seem downright tiny.

@Name-ps9fx 22 күн бұрын

That initial _painfully slow_ crossing of the Start line caused a giggle from me! 😅

@boswellwhanau 7 күн бұрын

Nice touch with the sonic booms for everything BUT the harrier 😂😂🙂

@kolbysample4387 23 күн бұрын

Should allow guns and give a bit of risk to the leaders

@HaZe_Da_PuPPy 9 күн бұрын

2:27 that Hornet is off 😂😂😂😂

@Slikx666 23 күн бұрын

Now I wondering what would be the fastest around the Top Gear track? Can't leave the airfield and must go over the circuit. 🤔👍

@dosdont 7 күн бұрын

It would be something to see for real

@Doodelz02 23 күн бұрын

I support Ricky Bobby, 'cause Ricky Bobby!! Would like to see more of a Nascar track with ... you know ... turns!! 😅 I'm 100% sure all crashes would be avoided! (99%?) (65%?) Nah, 100% as long as rounded to the nearest 100% 😊

@ronaldkonkoma4356 7 күн бұрын

As speed doubles, turning radius goes up 4X Strategy would certainly come into play

@Colt44444 21 күн бұрын

This is what the viewers want

@marcosavila8215 23 күн бұрын

I find very offensive not using the A-10C. 🤣🤣

@rnash999 23 күн бұрын

What I get from these results is that JATO assist is still needed. Maybe a sled would work fine.

@iridium58 13 күн бұрын

You got the sr71 in the candidate pool... not a fighter but an experiment can be done. 😂

@Turboy65 14 күн бұрын

In the real world an F-16C can do an unrestricted vertical climb to 15,000 feet in about 20 seconds and can make 20,000 in a few more seconds. It'd be fun to redo the time to climb challenge, flying ONLY those models that have a thrust to weight ratio of 1.0 or greater, flying pure vertical climb profiles.

@Terpenesteve 12 күн бұрын

Awesome video as always. Should have left guns on them,and when everyone finished the climb you should have said "Alright Chaps,fight's on!" LOL that would have been a pretty chaotic and awesome Gun fight between everyone..Possible video idea??

@voradfils 23 күн бұрын

If you need to climb fast, go M0.85 if don't know any better. Going slower means less thrust -> less climb rate. Some can get away with more, like Mirage F1 which is happy around .9. It's better to be M0.05 slow than M0.03 too fast, though (wave drag kills climb rate). Holding 450-500 KIAS until you intercept the mach number tends to be universally acceptable, but not always ideal.

@Ludowyc 23 күн бұрын

Nagyon tetszik a mig-21 festése "Cápeti"

@Kevin-hb7yq 23 күн бұрын

We're probably gonna need to see everyone race wearing an F4 Phantom at some point... just to see the correct climb profile.

@Wilko601st 23 күн бұрын

They did try but the resources to spawn multiple f4s killed the server 🙈

@Kevin-hb7yq 23 күн бұрын

@@Wilko601st I can understand it, that many Phantoms will kill everything.

@Gunslinger218 23 күн бұрын

Very cool !!!

@billysilva2859 23 күн бұрын

Always a good morning with GR uploads. o7 pilots.

@benokanruzgar8863 23 күн бұрын

👻 Phantom phor life 🤘

@rickb3645 23 күн бұрын

Although it's very unlikely to ever happen... I would love to see here... The hot chipped ("Big Mother") English Electric Lightning... And have it line up alongside these other aircraft... Just to see how it compares with some of the more modern day fighter jets competing. 👍

@lukearmitage1533 21 күн бұрын

Typhoons smoking everyone when it comes out😂

@mickemike2148 23 күн бұрын

To be relevant this dragrace needs to be at least 50 miles.

@ronaldkonkoma4356 7 күн бұрын

Changing altitude would be fun as well

@DrDezaro 22 күн бұрын

You know that in drag races there is a nominal load. I comes from tractor pulls, hence the word “drag” race. So I’d propose that all planes should have the same fuel load and as close to the same missile payload as possible. Even if it were just two short range and two medium range AAM and a minimum 500kg of fuel.

@Purpose_Bilt 22 күн бұрын

After years of working in the hornet, didnt think it would fet the jump or be competitive. -Havik

@Purpose_Bilt 22 күн бұрын

I really thought the Phantom would be faster.

@swe-timberwolf3642 23 күн бұрын

Do a zoom climb instead and see who can reach the highest altitude

@ronaldkonkoma4356 7 күн бұрын

Heaviest planes would have an advantage

@Penguinracer 12 күн бұрын

For a low level drag race like this i'd include the Tornado GR4 or F3 & for acceleration the EE Lightning F.6 in addition to the F104 Starfighter.

@donnjb83 7 күн бұрын

Kind of a race to see who could get off the ground first, passing a start line while already gear up could be more telling imo

@CrashingKiwi 22 күн бұрын

@Cap, idea for a fun video series and GR competition.... Royal Rumble in various air frames. Everyone in the same air frame, person with the most kills after 15 minutes wins the round, 4 different aircraft. Unlimited respawns, unlimited ammo? 1 video for warbirds, 1 video for COIN, 1 for 80's.1 for 90's etc.... 10 beautiful pilots enter, only 1 reigns supreme! Its about the pilot skill, not who has the better aircraft....

@spencerthu2956 7 күн бұрын

It's hard to believe the hornet came in 3rd!

@abelabner Күн бұрын

I do believe the F-15 does in fact hold the climb record to 20,000ft from brake. Feel free to fact me on that one.

@colt10mmsecurity68 6 күн бұрын

In “Real life,” the F-4 Phantom II still holds the world speed record over any other fighter.

@andreabindolini7452 5 күн бұрын

I don't think so.

@geoffharper8650 9 күн бұрын

You should add the English Electric Lightning . Some of the pilots that flew it called it the frightning .

@jamesnz1636 13 күн бұрын

that was great

@paulsparta5156 10 күн бұрын

True story: In 1983 I participated in an impromptu "drag race" with two Air National Guard F-4's taking off in formation. We were on a parallel runway in central Florida (can't remember base name) in a Navy P-3C Orion (VP-30). Pilots and ATC coordinated, we went at exactly same time. The P-3 leapt off the line with instant power from the turbo-props. We were midway down the runway 100 ft. off the deck already with gear up, and were still ahead of the F-4's. Within about 300 ft., they had passed us on the ground still not having rotated yet. By the end of the runway, they were already climbing at about 30 degrees, maybe 2000 ft. altitude and 8000 ft. ahead of us, and had already gone back to full military. We were all laughing on the P-3 and were quite proud our ourselves that we were winning for a very short while. Made for a funny story when we got back to NAS Jax.

@slickstrings 11 күн бұрын

High altitude drag should be done. Say, must maintain 40k feet, start at 200 knots, max acceleration. End of the race either pass a distance or time. Jets like the tomcat, f15 and phantom are much better suited to high altitude