Uhhh i bet Gellert knows that 😉 But i love your comment 🤌🏻😍😍

They both have style

@@francescobaratti8065 yes indeed

Oh he likes it 😏

@@lisawinter7842 four yellow outfit are tao protestors

yeah like his duel with voldemort in the department of mysteries that was mind boggling awesome when i 1st saw it

Both of them can cast a flashy big fire spell... better make use of them next time

@@jaymedavis1177 Not to be that guy but it was the Ministry of magic. The department of mysteries is where all the secrets and prophecies are kept.

Well they are both younger than the og time. Albus hasn’t mastered as much yet. And even if Gellert really wanted to go all out it wouldn’t be against his potential ex lover

I hate the “laser beams hit in the centre and move backwards and forwards” magic. It gives no information as audience and means nothing. It’s not really that much of a spectacle either

This wasn’t the big fight…

That duel was the best scene in all the movies. Only magical duel worthy of the name in the entire series.

@@MrBrachiatingApe yup. This duel was just as underwhelming as Harry v voldemort

The best duel is Dumbledore vs Voldemort book verson

@@MrBrachiatingApe Dumbledore vs ezra miller duel was also really good, if you wanna re-watch it

J.K. confirmed when she announced this series that the final movie will be in 1945. Considering that this movie ends with Grindelwald cleared of all charges except now trying to murder a 32 year old whos already dying, he still has the German Ministry in his pocket and we know that the magical government communicates with the muggle heads of their countries to keep themselves hidden from the main series. This leads me to believe that Grindelwald will use the ministry and possibly the imperius curse on Adolf Hitler to build his forces and manipulate all of Germany to begin world war 2. What the best way to burn down their world if your own kind wont back you up to do it? you make them kill themselves. TLDR: Movie 4 will take place 1939 and show that Grindelwald has manipulated all of Germany and it will end with World War 2 beginning and Movie 5 will take place in 1945 and the final Duel between Dumbledore and Grindelwald will happen on D-Day as a way to cover up the Magical World's involvment with the Nazi's

@@thesonicgaminggod6956 Cant really commit to what Im feeling about this. Is it dissapointment? Today im leaning towards apathy. It just that this whole series was predicated upon some concepts that we never heard of in the Lore. I get it, i get it, Rowling is trying to piece together a story in the backwards direction. Tolkien kinda did that, but he was very meticulous about his world building, and only a few concepts ever contradict the overall theme, from one end to the other. In Rowling's case, it seems she is just stretching a story built on one single premise, a "battle" everyone knows about, a battle nobody really see, and the cementing of a legacy that could not be shaken. However, so far we got 2 talented wizards, just about equal, and im bored. Come one bruh, give Gman the wand, the cape, anything you want. Make him strong, make him invincible, give him complicated spells, runes, incantations, out-of-left field thinking and maneuvering... Build him to be an unstoppable and undebatable god-wizard, and then have Dumble face that. As it is now, I have NEVER (ever ever?) never !!! had any doubt yet that good ole Dumble could lose. Boring.

You are right this is not the legendary duel their legendary duel was in 1945 where unlike this one in 1945 one of them do defeat the other

@@zettkusanagi6322 I agree that their execution has not been good. Honestly i feel the only action scene with a sense of urgency was the chase in the prison with the manticore like creatures. Dumbledore even performed way more interesting magic earlier in the film in his duel with Aurelius. im guessing the only lore reason as to why this duel wasnt better is because they are shocked that they can even fight at all and Dumbledore could be holding back because he still loves Grindelwald even though he does eventually have to stop him.

@@tyewallace6863 Yeah im hoping my theory about Grindelwald orchestrating World War 2 becomes true though.

Yessssss

Johnny depp better for me

Johnny the Goat Depp

At first, it was Johnny for me. But after seeing this..... it's DEFINITELY Mads now

You should see him as Hannibal Lecter, he's pretty scary in that role too

Relax. They just shoot generic magic beams. Not that hard

@@work90 ok harry potter you do realize we're all muggles

In the books, Dumbledore vs Voldemort had a TRUE superior level wizard fighting

@@joyboy_5613 voldemort was a different level though. I'd say on a power creep scale he was unironically more powerful. Dude transcended Death itself 😂

Dumbledore seemed more powerful im the harry potter films

There's 5 years between (1932) this movie and the second one (1927). There's only around 6 months (Grindelwald's incarceration) between the second one and the first one.

It's just 2 gay man showing love in a different way.

They ruin the fantastic beasts by not following a proper timeline. I think the planning was in the start to release one or two movies to test the popularity

Because it tried to tell the story of Dumbledore and Grindelwald from the point of view of Newt Scamander. It’s an odd choice. It’s like trying to tell the story of Harry Potter from the eyes of Hagrid or Luna.

It was meant to be odd. Grendelwald could see in the Chillin blood the future. Dumbledore knew that. So he made all his underlings do random confusing things and improvised throughout to plot ro counter Grendelwald future sight. The suitcases were the final improv that worked

But he couldn’t. The scene in 1:36 shows how Grindelwald really wanted, and due the Elderwand definitely could have, killed him but his feelings for Dumbledore were too strong

Lmao gay bs

@@lukash.8788 Incorrect. Even with the Elder Wand, Gellert is simply the lesser wizard. In the actual final dual between them, that is proven by Dumbledore's victory.

​@@ForsakenAngel11 so sad you can't feel shit😂

LOVERS??!!! Dumbledore is gay?

😊

What kinda of patronus does he have that’s so powerful

He is a Dumbledore

Do you think it was THE killing curse or some other killing curse? Since Avada Kedavra is known to be impossible to block by another spell.

​@@ZweimannImperiumEXPELLIARMUS!

@@charlielay537 Priori Incantatem: If two wands share the same core (like a feather of the same phoenix as is the case with Voldemort's and Harry's) their wielders can't fatally harm one another. However, Dumbledore and Grindelwald didn't shoot the spells at each other and as far as we know, their wands are no twins.

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Loopholes are just messy. Dont like it. Tell Rowling to come back with something better. Thanks. Next! Lol

or maybe Albus’s love for his family broke the pact as love is the most powerful magic

@@user-ro6gn1kp2r I can see that too!

@@tomasmccauley569 Jacob and Newt are the best characters of these movies. Too bad the focus was taken off them just to push this young Dumbledore storyline forward.

That only cause he’s fighting his only threat in the entire wizard world. if he was fighting Theseus he wouldn’t have to try half as much. Dumbeldore is his only equal and gellert knows that, that’s why he wanted credence to kill dumbeldore. I wish the Harry Potter directors made Harry and Voldemorts duels like this

@@Demonoicgamer666 yeah, Dumbledore and Grindelwald were like arch enemy like TFP Optimus Prime and Megatron. If Grindelwald fight against Theseus and his men, he wouldn’t even need to try at all he would’ve throw couple jixn and they’re done for

Hehehe….. erected….

​@@Demonoicgamer666 he wanted Credence to kill albus due to the blood pact, not because he wasn't equally skilled

Even though you might be right, you also forget how quickly Grindelwald overwhelmed Dumbledore. When their wands collided firstly he overwhelmed Dumbledore once, when they collided again he pushed Dumbledore back like in seconds but this time Dumbledore did the same, only much slower. Their fight may have ended in a stalemate but Grindelwald moved alot faster than Dumbledore and overwhelmed him much quicker which indicates that the Elder Wand amplified Grindelwald power. Either way Dumbledore told Harry he won the final by mere skill which might leave alot of room open for Grindelwald being a little stronger in terms of power. We will just have to see how the final battle will go down but I think Grindelwald with the Elder Wand is a little bit stronger than Dumbledore.

If this garbage movie made you feel any emotions you might wanna check with your psychiatrist and make sure your not a manic Tumblr pixie

Takes a lot of strength to stand up to someone you love that’s trying to kill you.

Albus Dumbledore once said, "It takes a great deal of bravery to stand up to our enemies, but just as much to stand up to our friends."

@@leoroemer6085 he was right

Not talking about Mom Strange But Endgame Strange would stomp these two After Endgame he was nerfed as hell because apparently you can't make a male character strong now

@@therealslimshady6763 Its because of Disney. Every Disney movie or movies managed by Disney are lowkey feminist now. If I can remember in MoM, during Wanda's attack on Kamar-Taj, Wong was incapacitated because his head hit the ground. Shitty writing if you ask me.

@@therealslimshady6763 He was never that strong. He was beaten by Thano's goons in Infinity War. He's always been a bit of a glass cannon

@@therealslimshady6763 lmao why y'all like to embarrass yourselves online?

@@HaydenLau. have you seen a dr strang vs thanos fight?

👍 And Mads Mikkelsen is brilliant at Playing villains

U are saying that because Mads got in with the exciting role in the F.B 3, while Johnny Depp is building the character of Grindelwald in F.B 1&2. If Johnny Depp was in, in this role he would rock it, trust me. If Madz got in with F.B 1&2 do you think he would cast it the way Johnny Depp casted it? So don’t say that you can’t imagine J.D and Law with the chemistry because after all J.D and Law in the Fantastic Beast 1&2 they never met (Only a flashback) or fight unlike with the F.B 3 where Law and Madz are fighting. Don't mind me, I didn't watch this movie. If you guys are really certain that Madz is great with the role of Grindelwald than J.D then please see the rate of a movie 1,2&3 of fantastic beast 1&2 have the higher ratings than this stupid shit recent movie.

@@distractdisturb9228 Johnny is a good actor, but Grindelwald isn't like Voldemort. He's a cult of personality, he was trying to convince people by words that muggleborn are their enemy and only relying on violence when it was necessary...even though he was arguably more powerful than Voldemort on sheer skill alone and actually, truly owned the Elder Wand. It didn't make sense that he looked so eccentric compared to everyone else, even his own followers, and then even to Dumbledore. Voldemort was fucked up and drunk on power, he didn't need to look pretty or make great speeches. He was a psychopathic serial killer cult leader. Grindelwald is not that, and Mads' interpretation of the character is far superior in that respect. The way he talked, how he acted out his plans, it was believable that others could fall into the trap of his oratory skills. This is a man who is trying to convince you that the wider population of the world does not deserve to be treated like human beings and that he should be in charge, he is *literally* wizard Adolf Hitler. Why the fuck would anyone believe someone with that haircut, that mustache, those mannerisms that Depp's character used? He looks like a tool, he acts like a tool, and anyone with a brainstorm will immediately pick this crackhead out as a bad guy. Mads' performance, particularly during the big election scene, was a lot more realistic. He looked controversial but at the same time persuasive. The fact that you didn't watch the movie, and the fact you're relying on ratings to prove your argument, just show you'd prefer to be asinine. The ratings of FB3 were shit because the story writing was shit. Anytime people talk about this movie, one of the strongest points is going to be Mads' performance. You're writing that as if his replacing Johnny Depp was the sole reason it flopped...and the funny part? You're bringing up the first movie, where Depp had what...two lines and one brief appearance, and Colin Farrell did all the actual heavy lifting? Johnny's a great actor but his interpretation of the character was beyond stupid, looks, dialogue, all of it. Not once did I believe that anyone could buy what Depp's Grindelwald was selling. That's not his fault, he was just miscasted into a role that should've been used by someone with a more classy posture. Depp's character was someone I would 100% have rather seen in the HP movies as one of Voldemort's followers.

@@distractdisturb9228 No, I genuinely think Mads fits the role of this villain very well, has nothing to do with the built up of the character in the previous movies. I think he and JD give a very different villain vibe. And yes you are right, they have never met, that's why I say I can't IMAGINE them having chemistry, not that they have less chemistry. I'm just pleased that they have found a good replacement that makes the former love affair Dumbledore and Grindelwald had believable, the opening scene was splendid. Good acting on both sides. Also, you think the good rating of the first two movies was all thanks to JD performance? Perhaps you should watch the movie before lashing out on other people's opinion?

@@Can_O_Crayola on point.

Yeah I was dying like wtf 🤣

Same thought! LMFAO lol 😂😄🤣😆😆

Gay moment

Caught me so off guard lmao

Same i died laughing 😭😭😭😭

Not to mention the whole martial arts thing like they're John Wick assassins but with wands instead of pistols.

it's pretty dull.

@@amaybury4672 that makes it more creative tho. Using magic like that instead of the generic way u would expect

@@shadowx8145 No... It actually isn't. Maybe as a quick "gotcha", but magic in Harry Potter is supposed to lean into the whimsical and fantastical. Wands aren't guns or weapons. They are tools. The killing curse, expeliarmus, etc. Are spells that could be used as such. But not every spell needs to be a gun but magic.

@@shadowx8145 I'll take practicality over creativity in a fight scene like this. Getting up close like this is obviously way more dangerous than shooting spells from 10ft away. Besides there are much better ways to be creative that do not include impractical and somewhat cringy chest touching scene.

couldn't have said it better 👏🏻

This fight is not even close to those you mentioned

What you've described is not what was seen nor felt in this movie for a lot of people

Heck then why make a movie about it. If you cant shoot a epic movie scene, just write a book for fuck sake

Ah yes, comparing the spectacular fight choreography of Anakin vs Obiwan to.... *Pewpew lasers go woooo* You are saying flowery things to sound pretty because you can't argue objectively. The fact your best argument is exactly what movies use to blind you of their bad writings, Manipulating your feelings with pretty visuals and music etc... Is the proof you bit the bait.

Grindelwald uses the killing curse on dumbledore far too many times in the duel

@@akulmahajan1485 Yeah every time Grindelwald use the killing curse, Dumbledore was like “ get your wand out of my face “ lol 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Not only "chests". The left side of each other's chests. Where the heart is. Their hearts. I found this really sweet. Between all the bitterness and anger and wrath and crazyness and violence. Their hearts.

Uhhhhh what? They very clearly shoved their gay relationship in our faces - my wife and I had to turn it off by the 45th minute mark because there was already 8 or more scenes where they wanted to show how gay they were and did absolutely nothing for the plot. It SUCKED.

I absolutely agree about Dumbledore not committing fully until the beam struggle (well fully in terms of not wanting to kill him but committing to stopping him) but I would argue that Grindelwald was going all out the whole time (or at the very least he thought he was). In my opinion Dumbledore seemed to have the upper hand the entire time despite not being the aggressor. For example, if you saw a professional boxer always rushing forward throwing everything at his opponent trying to destroy him but his opponent just dodges and weaves and occasionally jabs back... who looks better?

4 if you include him as a prisoner

I agree with the whole thing with most battles only being magic beams, the main thing I have a problem with is that most wizards act like teleporting is the only way to move, none of them rely on actually being able to dodge, run or even physically overpower their opponent. I’m glad they at least somewhat fixed this issue in this fight with them both actually fighting without their wands

Might as well make them use WandGuns huh? thats what every spell looks like. I think its Rowlin's fault also. She's got tons of things at her disposal to make epic battles...Transfiguration, Charms, Jinxs, Hexes, Curses. On top of that, we got a whole universe of magical beasts from which to derive other spells. Where are the body-taijutsu specialists, the summoners, the demonic forces, the angelic, the druids, the fairy or pixie folk magic, gnomes and goblins, the metamorphosis nuts, the speedsters, the teleporters, the void users, the foresight fools, ... Imagine a wizard fight where they use gravity amulets, binding arcana cards, growth elixirs, luck horseshoe, stardust, fortress trap runes... Dr. Strange's boring movies where he got a house full of crazy @#%@#$ and never uses any. Meh Stop using wands. Wands for nubs. Where the staffs, orbs, grimoires, puppets...

I completely agree with you.

Order of the phoenix literally has the best duel we've had so far between dumbledore and voldemort

@@yousofzaid872 still doesn't compare with the book version

Showing how powerful Dumbledore truly was during Harry's time

Yeees ahhh so heartbreaking

Feeds into the HP lore why putting your intention behind it is important, this is the reason also why when Harry was dead he completely resisted Voldemort's cruxio curse, because Voldemort already believed he was dead, Voldemort thought he was performing the curse on an already dead body, so it wouldnt have reacted to pain anyways

@@ashm4938 that wasn't case at all. Voldemort's curse was not working because Harry still had Lily's protection. Voldemort thought that by taking Harry's blood protection will be dismissed, instead Voldemort got incorporated into that protection. By taking Harry's blood Voldemort was able to touch harry but he would not be able to cause him any harm. In the similar way Harry would not be able to cause any Harm to Voldemort. They both were tethered to each other for life and prophecy was overturned into "both have to live" Instead of "only one can live". If Voldemort didn't have elder wand, he wouldn't be dead, and he would never been able to kill Harry anyways, unless he asked his death eaters to perform that task, which would have been huge blow to his image as so called dark Lord, who was unable to kill teenage boy.

This isn’t made cannon in the books but I do like your theory.

Dumbledore kept dodging the killing curse he's fast

I believe this is what contributed to Grindelwald’s defeat. He was more unwilling to kill Dumbledore. The same wasn’t true for Dumbledore who was set on taking Grindelwald down. As lethal and effective as Grindelwald is, Dumbledore was far more methodical. The elder wand most definitely reacted to and sensed this weakness.

actually he didn't the blood pact did so i would prefer to say blood pact dimension

I think it worked here because Dumbledore cast it while the blood oath was still in play and it was intercepted

@@L33tSkE3t another idea is that the wands share a core which in my opinion is a plausible theory.

Harry intercepted individual Killing Curses in Deathly Hallows (novel) with individual Stunning Spells.

@@kylevidad4427 thats because his wand and voldemorts wand shared cores.

Dumbledore did it in Order of the Phoenix (book) to protect Harry from Voldemorts's curse..

"still"!!!! FAR BETTER than Twilight.

Like that was difficult

@Seldom Forever It's a meme :)

JFC its 2022

Only because we didn't get Lizzie and Jacob romance 😔

Heck you could replace their wands with laser guns and it won't even make a difference. Two most powerful wizards. Laaaaaaaaaame

Sorry but this duel is dull despite of it supposedly being the two most powerful wizards. It’s not that creative, just average spells flying at each other and the typical “spells meeting each other” like a laser tug of war. All the CGI effects nowadays take away from realism. And it’s all happening in some weird dream like dimension. They did it earlier with credence too. It just makes it more like a fantasy. Spells seem more real when they react to a REAL environment. Then they get so close to each other that it seems like it’s going to evolve into a physical brawl. But I guess they needed them to get close enough so they can touch hearts so we can get a ‘emotional’ teary moment. The Producers here were lazy. Dumbledore vs Voldemort scene is day and night in comparison.

@@meghanachauhan9380 i dont understand this wasnt even a duel they werent evn trying to kill each other, the real duel is still left, u jst want every fight to be like dumbledore vs voldermort.

​@@unapologeticpatriot6504Are you talking about realism in movie about magic? Come on man, the scene is underwhelming but because of the writing not because of cgi. Many environments in movies are cgi but looks real.

It is meant to say 'who will love you now, Dumbledore', but since it is in another language, I do get what you mean

@@atadbitahistory9660 no, no, I mean music. The words sound like this. I know meaning of phrase Gellert said

I think so too, 'cause if we watch carefully, as Dumbledore is about to go away, Gellert comes foward, like he wants to stop Dumbledore from going away.

I love these movies tbh

Fourth installment cancel

They got rid of Johnny Depp after false accusations. They deserve every ounce of hate and every bit of it can be blamed on the witch

@@faizanAli-ku4hn no

My problem with them is that Newt Scamander is the main character. IMO it should be about Dumbledore and Grindelwald, and also return to the more mature energy that most of the HP movies had as opposed to being obviously targeted at a child audience.

I really like this headcanon. I have one of my own. It is repeatedly said that you need to truly "mean" a curse for it to work. When Dumbledore said "He sought to kill, I sought to protect," it very much made sense to me. Grindelwald fully intended to kill Credence, Dumbledore fully intended to protect him. He clearly blames himself for Ariana's death and loves Aberforth. He would not see his brother suffer again by having his son taken away from him. This could be a similar kind of love protection that led to Voldemort being unable to harm Harry after Lily's death. Two such opposing forces collided, creating magic powerful enough to break the bond.

Avada Kedavra roughly means "let it be destroyed", so it's not far off from your theory at all, good job

Avadakedavra doesn't break the spell. It's fully confirmed that the only way for the blood bond to break is for both of them to clash spells that have no intent to harm of each other. Which would be considered impossible because in the context of them being lovers, they could never harm each other if they were angry at one another, and they would never fire spells at the other on a whim. Meaning the spell could only be broken when they truly had different goals and objectives. Dumbledores spell was to protect credence, and Grindlewalds was to kill Credence.

It's called terrible writing to the point where not even the writer knows what is happening in their own fiction. Consume something else, please for the love of God. You wrote paragraphs and paragraphs of shit nobody cares about

Whit all respect to Mads MIkkelson is a great actor but Johnny would be so much better in this fight

You shouldn't take away the fact that Grindewald is Johnny Depp and always will be Johnny Depp

​​@@WxB2001 No. JD Grindewald as basically an HP Jack Sparrow. Grindewald is a serious character with serious motivation and goal and Mads is perfect for him.

@@WxB2001 No, i'd say Mads Mikkelsen is suited for the role better than Johnny Depp

​,Johnny depp is better, mad does this good but not so good as johnny .

Voldemort was even more powerful than Dumbledore. Just hasty. Fought him at the end of the order of phoenix while Dumbledore had the elder wand. Rowling and Dumbledore have themselves said, Voldemort was probably the most powerful wizard in history. Just a little too impulsive and power hungry. Also, you can’t perform Avada Kedavra without saying the spell. It’s not a non verbal spell, at least in the books.

In the books that may be true..not sure. Anyhow, I’m the movie he actually does perform Aveda kadabra without the words during the last duel at the castle multiple times.

@@sagrophobiaVoldemort is sort of implied to wordlessly kill all the goblins after the Potter gang escape Gringotts.

​@@sagrophobiaDumbledore was already on death row at that time, old and weak...

​@@sagrophobiaAlso Dumbledore was not using any killing spell against him ...he was just trying to protect Harry and hold Voldemort till ministry arrive to confirm revival of Voldemort...In book, Dumbledore was basically toying with him..Even Voldemort admitted that by saying " I see, you are not using killing spell against me"

they’re so much alike 😍😍😍

This wasn't the end of their relationship though. That final fight takes place years later and should be much more epic than this. Remember, dumbledore defeats Grindelwald and takes the elder wand. Also, in regards to the blood pact breaking, i hear that it breaks when your blood partner attacks someone you're trying to protect. Not sure if this is true tho.

The pact broke because Dumbledore didn't cast a spell against Grindelwald directly, he cast it to protect Credence. Because he didn't cast directly against Grindelwald, he didn't move against him but rather the spells met.

Their Blood Pact broke because they took irreconcilably and directly opposing actions: attempting to kill Credence and attempting to save him from the other's spell. There is a parting of the ways here, where the two acknowledge each other as enemies, and thus the Blood Pact binding them as allies is shattered by their mutual consent to fight, against its purpose. I believe that the important part is that they both agree to the enmity by clashing spells, instead of one of them attacking the other without the other wishing to attack back. The mutuality, not the indirectness, is critical here.

😍😍🥰

i agree, i prefer him as grindelwald. sucks what happened to Johnny Depp but still, i prefer Mads

@@jacemaxwell748 I don't .I think Johnny was much better.

You are right we didn't get chance to see that duel, huhhh idk why people didn't liked it as I think it was a amazing series and there was no hate point at all in whole series

it was canceled?@@redregg5333

I totally disagree. Both Dumbledore and Grindelwald have always been aware of the depth of the feelings they had for each other. The way Dumbledore speaks about their relationship in front of Newt and Theseus ("What posessed you to do such a thing? "Love"(smile+ tender, dramma look)/ "the summer Gellert and I fell in love"), the way he escapes not only from a direct confrontation with Grindelwald but even from his own feelings (see Mirror of Erised scene in CoG), the existence of the blood troth itself...as well as what we know from Rowling's, Law's and Mikkelsen's declarations, clearly prove the two were fully aware of the power of their mutual feelings and of the implications of the latter. Because, besides love, there are also a deep sense of guilt for Dumbledore (who loved a criminal and Muggle-hater, who had diserted him when his sister died) and a feeling of bitterness and disappointment for Grindelwald (who loved someone who had turned his back to the plans they had made together and, indirectly, to him). But these "by- feelings" would not be there without a deep consciousness of their bond. Such consciousness was already there in their youth (which is, by the way, why Dumbledore has been heart-broken since they parted as teenagers) and it was what pushed them to create the blood troth. And it is clear that, at least until the duel, Dumbledore have always been the more fragile of the two, the one who more openly admitted his feelings, the one who "wore his heart on his sleeve" (beautiful how they metaphorically expressed it by having him keep the blood troth on his wrist). I would say, for Dumbledore, the ultimate proof of his ever-going love for Grindelwald is the image he sees reflected in the Mirror of Erased, while for Grindelwald, before their confrontation in Buthan, there was never a "moment of truth", he always knew he loved Dumbledore, but probably until the duel he had never realized how much he needed him and feared to loose his love, which is why he was the one more shocked and upset by it.

The look of utter heartbreak on both their faces proves your point. No way were these two not in love, and are still. Brilliant performances.

No the movie and books make it very clear Dumbledore's love was genuine and not of convenience.

I feel u bro shit was lame the credence fight was better than this

This was I think meant to showcase their mutual reluctance to fight each other still

But every other fight in the movie is great

i disagree

I'm pretty sure this isn't the actual duel, back then they said it would be around on Fantastic beasts 4 or 5 but heavily depends if warner bros. Would continue the series

They actually honored the voting system and rejected a cheater who tried to rig the election. It is sad that this seems like fantasy to some.

Yeah

oh yea lol

Wands.... were also involved.

First you need a plane ticket for China, then you tell me.

The Avada Kedavra curse weakness was it could always be blocked by something even an inanimate object. People in the movies getting killed by it were not either expecting it, lack of experience or their mind was not quick and sharp enough to know it and defend against it. A sharp mind can do great things.

He has no bloody charisma. The only Grindelwald vibe emanating from him is that he and Law have good chemistry and they could really be lovers, and that's it. As for the rest, Johnny Depp was much far more convincing.

@@WestLegend03 .... like a clown bird covered in make up and stuff. Mads are a superior actor, showing the subtle pain and the darkness without histronisims.

@@WestLegend03 this is the d^mbest sh^t i read in a decade and trust me i read a tons of d^mb af sh^t online lmao

@@WestLegend03I found Depp too eccentric for Grindelwald

​​​@@WestLegend03 Grindewald is not supposed to have charisma and basically be an JS version of HP lmao

2.26 when Gellert moves closer just before Dumbledore turns away. I think he was going for a kiss/embrace. That was the second it ended hence him lashing out with words.

I mean it was pretty much implied that he beat Grindelwald and gained the Elder Wand when he beat him. So he beats him with his wand against Grindelwald who had the Elder Wand.

Dumbeldore is the strongest. After he gained his Elder Wand he was pretty much unbeatable.

Only because Grindelwald is holding back😂 at the start when both there wands connect, you can see Grindelwald massively overpowering him, if you then look at his facial expressions they change to a sadness/regretful, as soon as that expression changes the spell force bounces back towards Grindelwald. It makes sense that he's stronger, because when Voldermort went to visit Grindelwald he refused to tell him anything.

​@@AstroSully no not really. When dumbledore got the elder wand, yes... He was the strongest out of the two, but Grindelwald is way stronger with the wand.

@@reposter6434 Erh no. The Elder wand switched allegiance to Grindelwald for a reason. Dumbeldore was the superior wizard regardless of the wand.

Well of course it does Harry and Voldemort was literally a fight between a weakened Dark Wizard and a Teenage Boy who only had 7 years of magical training vs 2 incredibly powerful wizards who have decades of experience

I wouldn’t say Grindlwald lost in this battle, more like a stalemate

@@conn_man_249 No but in the timeline as a whole dumbledore did defeat Grindewald and win the elderwand from him

No, it’s actually the opposite… he saw that Grindelwald could beat him, but he stopped at the very last moment, which is when Dumbledore looked at him and realised now was his chance to try and disarm him. Also the spell was red not green so it wasn’t the killing curse

@@AlwaysRightAllNight I disagree, but, to each his own opinions.

that shit happens constantly in harry potter and fantastic beasts, wordless magic is a dime a dozen in this universe now, the "magic" from the first like 4 movies of harry potter are pretty much gone

@@OccupiedMuffins Yeah I know its really sad cause wordless magic is actually, in lore really hard to master. But they made it look like its easy. I guess its artistic direction that 'hollywood' took. Bah. Cause everyone and their mother can do wordless magic.

@@OccupiedMuffins thats only in the movies, pretty much none of the magic that the trio performs is non verbal (and they were all above average)

@@Ilposeidonll well we are talking about albus and geralt here 2 extremely powerful magicians in their prime and they are still learning so wordless magic should be easy for them.

@@Mcherri True that true that. But I deep dived into the lore a bit and into Hoggywarts Legacy and found out wordless magic is very hard to do. Then Hollywood allowed all wizards to do it which is a shame. But yeah they are extremely powerful and in their prime, its really scary to think how powerful those two were.

I know dude

True i hope they keep Mads 🥰

True, although he is American I think he looked and felt more interesting than how they designed Grindelwald in this One. Mads would have been really great if he didn't look as bland

@@trixicenby999 With all due respect to Mads I don't find his presence intimidating

@@MrAbhix7 I can definetely understand why, I think he's a interesting villain but I think he doesnt give much Grindelwald vibes nor the feeling that he and Dumbledore were in love at one point

Same, Mads was great, but I still prefer Depp and would have loved to seen him in this one.

Depp will surely be in the next one as he's won the Amber Heard case and all the drama has finished. If Depp gets asked I hope he chooses to come back.

@@WxB2001 yeah thats not gona happen, the series is already looking pretty dead at this point, if another movie gets greenlit they aren't going to take a chance with depp.

Depp was a great Grinderwald wish they would have kept him.