Grouping DNA Cousin Matches on Ancestry
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Күн бұрынLearn how to group your DNA Cousin Matches on Ancestry, strategically, so that you can find your ancestors and take your family tree back another generation, over and over again.
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0:00 Into
0:57 About Grouping DNA Cousin Matches on Ancestry
1:42 Finding DNA Matches and Grouping Strategy
3:50 Separating out father from mothers side of family tree
4:19 Group by Grandparents and Great Grandparents
4:39 Focusing on Branch of Family
5:00 Color Coding the Tree First
5:32 Assigning Colors to Cousin Matches
6:37 Steps for Grouping DNA Matches
6:50 Shared Matches for Best Known DNA Cousin Match
8:13 Color Coded Tree Labeled
9:08 Example of Grouping and Color Coding a Cousin Match
10:22 Shared Matches with DNA Cousin
10:50 How to find which cousins to solve for a 2x Great Grandparent
11:28 Unlinked Trees
11:46 Common Ancestors
11:53 Drilling into Shared Cousins & Compare to Tree
12:38 Adding a New Group
14:00 Filtering to Groups from DNA Cousin List
14:47 Coloring the Tree by Couple
15:09 Edit Custom Groups
16:13 Delete a Custom Group
16:20 Create new Custom Group
16:37 ThruLines Descendancy Research
18:05 Recap Steps for Grouping DNA Matches
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@mr.gfromtheoc3926 3 жыл бұрын
I started using this method last year and it has been SO HELPFUL! I am fortunate enough to have both of my parents tested, so I use all 24 colors for my tree, but each one of my parents only has 12. Each of my great-grandparents has their own color, with my dad's being the 4 warm colors (yellow, orange, red, pink) and my mom's being the 4 cool colors (purple, blue, teal, green). The 16 remaining colors are used for my 2x-great grandparents. The men get the dark color variant, the women get the light color variant. It may sound a little complex, but it helps me immediately narrow down which part of my tree I'm working with. I also put the ancestral couple's surnames in the notes field, like "Smith-Johnson". That can help you narrow it down even further from the 24 color groups Ancestry gives you.
@GenealogyTV 3 жыл бұрын
Very smart. Got to love it!
@LyndaHeines 3 жыл бұрын
I have been doing this all wrong!! I was only using the last name as a group and not the couples!! This will make a big difference in my research. Thank you so much!
@GenealogyTV 3 жыл бұрын
You are so welcome.
@TrevorGrismore 2 жыл бұрын
I first watched this video before I got my DNA results back, and I'm back to say how effective this strategy is. To say it's a gamechanger is an understatement! I took the color coding scheme from this video and made it my own. I assigned a unique color to each one of my 16 great-great grandparents, and I was left with a very organized and clean final result. It has allowed me to make connections and figure out relationships that would have been impossible otherwise. I'm also fortunate to have had my grandparents DNA tested as well, and I've applied the same coloring scheme to their results. Using their results in combination with mine, I've gained two extra generations of connections that I can color code. I'm able to identify all 64 unique lines of my 4x great grandparents. I never expected such an extremely high level of precision, and I'm able to organize it and make sense of it all thanks to this very helpful video.
@Ellandriel Жыл бұрын
I had started grouping last year but kind of stopped for a bit. When I revisited this video I decided to go back as far as 30cm cousins and discovered on my husband's side that his great-grandparents were related. The colored dots gave it away!
@afromystik4365 10 ай бұрын
I just started doing this I’m a novice. Just started to group maternal GM and Maternal GF for my mom. I know that there was a rumor that my greatgrandparents were related on “both sides. Im starting to run into matches that are on my ggmother’s line and GGfathers line. They both were from Mississippi.
@loripeterson5403 3 жыл бұрын
Can't wait to put this to practice. I'll probably need to watch a couple of times, I'm old school so I'm happy for handouts
@GenealogyTV 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Lori. And thanks for being a channel member.
@michaelrife 3 жыл бұрын
Great explanation. Last year I started using family names/surnames instead of couples, but ran out of colors/groups. Ancestry allows for only 24 colors/groups. That limits the couples you can group by.
@charlsacisneros Жыл бұрын
THANKS FOR SHARING ITS NEEDED
@aprilrowland444 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this. I, like everyone else, have a long list of DNA matches. However, I will admit that I have done nothing with them, other than scroll through quickly now and then. It seemed so overwhelming, so daunting. This system gives me hope that I will one day make sense of them all. Thanks!
@GenealogyTV 3 жыл бұрын
April, Thanks for supporting GTV. Grouping DNA matches is really easy... and faster these days. Give it a try on the family lines where you are stuck. Group DNA matches to that line, like I did in the video. That narrows the number of cousin matches a lot! Then mark them with a color that represents that family line and go noodle around in their trees for clues.
@mariacapaldi5062 3 жыл бұрын
Great explanation thank you, Connie, I understand much more!
@GenealogyTV 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome. Then it was worth the effort.
@LeAllysonMeyer 3 жыл бұрын
Such a helpful video. Thank you.
@GenealogyTV 3 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful! Thanks LeAllyson... and thanks again for supporting the channel.
@goatmealcookies7421 2 жыл бұрын
Great help!
@tossyv 3 жыл бұрын
A fantastic, clear explanation. Thank you.
@GenealogyTV 3 жыл бұрын
You are welcome! Glad it was helpful.
@cynthiamcdonagh4458 2 жыл бұрын
ConsTance - thank you. Best video I've seen on matches, colouring,ever....
@GenealogyTV 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, thank you! Feel free to share! Using the Shared Matches tool on Ancestry will help group your cousins along family lines. Here is an episode AncestryDNA Grouping Cousin Matches: Clarified that follows that video. Make sure to see that, because I corrected one thing I said. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/j7V3lNWHyN6wgoU.html
@drofnas6 3 жыл бұрын
Great presentation .... right now, I'm just using two similar groups. I use one color for my maternal grandparents and another for my paternal grandparents. - very big groups ... it wouldn't take much to break it up further... Thank you!
@GenealogyTV 3 жыл бұрын
Sounds great! It's always best to start with less groups and add more as you learn more.
@bettebrownlow2101 Жыл бұрын
I have been color coding ethnicities as well as maternal and paternal sides of my tree. I am in a deep quest to sort out my consistent percentage of Sub-Saharan ancestry and Native American. We are talking colonial period for both. But the trail is narrowing as I see the common ancestors that thread through the different lines.
@LanceHall 3 жыл бұрын
I've already ran out of groups. They need to add more groups with unique characters. I'd like to see some colored dots but with a question mark inside to use for grouping speculative lines or clusters.
@GenealogyTV 3 жыл бұрын
Good idea.
@junepeasgood1907 3 жыл бұрын
You can use icons within the naming field (right click "emoji and symbols") - that way you can keep colours from say the 8 2Gt Gp sets and then add an emoji or icon at the start of your naming the subset (so you have a blue shade 🔵 for your 2Gt Gp on your fathers side, then you can put a ❤️ or ⭕️ or 🐸 etc. before the Simmons - Coss (or whatever your name set is). Hope that makes sense
@dianavodjansky1736 3 жыл бұрын
@@junepeasgood1907 I have found that the emoji's I add, are not staying in my tree. They disappear each time I open someone up for edit, could I be doing something wrong? I am adding the emoji's to the surname field
@patricianazareth7351 3 жыл бұрын
@@dianavodjansky1736 Emoji's should be in the suffix field...
@lindavies9948 3 жыл бұрын
@@patricianazareth7351 I put the emojis for small clusters in the note field. I use the suffix field for DNA symbol or baby angel for infant deaths.
@beckilukitsh7046 10 ай бұрын
Connie, it is very hard finding hand-outs from older videos !!
@user-jy8dn8td6g 3 жыл бұрын
I was just asking about this on facebook a few weeks ago.
@GenealogyTV 3 жыл бұрын
Yay. Glad it was timely.
@LindaSchreiber 3 жыл бұрын
This approach works amazingly well for my biomother's side. My biofather's line, well HAHAHA! Western WV endogamy/extreme-pedigree-collapse. I do find it a little amusing that Osburns, Booths, and Plymales are a few of the names all over in my tree, We're probably related somewhere, distantly :)
@GenealogyTV 3 жыл бұрын
Most likely Linda, since those names are from WV... I would not be surprised at all.
@douglasvilledarling2935 3 жыл бұрын
I really, really, really wish they would add more colors. Or at least have the same colors some with pokadots, some with stripes. I have already used my colors with certain family group DNA matches I want to do further research on. I also wish they would maybe give us more shapes. We can use them to group cousins into locations so when we go to do research in that area we know who to meet up with. One of my cousins was a president of the Historical Society in the town some of our ancestors were in. Another was an editor of the local news paper. Having a group for this would be great
@GenealogyTV 3 жыл бұрын
I'll pass it along.... I think they are working on something... but I don't know for sure. They kind of hinted at it.
@hemichallenger3643 2 жыл бұрын
Oh my, that just made my brain hurt exponentially. I wish I could just fit you in my pocket. I could pull you out and say, what about this? And that? So much information and way different and more exciting to what I know about. Shared matches was a biggie. Didn't understand that completely. Still fuzzy. The grouping is still too foreign to attempt. I'm going to have to watch this a few times. I'm kinda wondering now if there are local groups and such in my area. Where there may be more of a hands on approach.
@GenealogyTV 2 жыл бұрын
How many just imagine a mini-me sitting on your shoulder whispering in your ear “how do you know that?” 😀
@fyreflye100 3 жыл бұрын
I'm a little confused by something you said. You stated that any shared matches between you and Carol would also have to descend from "the same Madsen-Jensen couple." But that's not true. Many of the shared matches between you and Carol will be from common ancestors who are farther back. For example, Herman's grandparents, or Frances' parents, could be the common ancestor of your shared match. Since you and Carol are both related to Herman, then anybody who is descended from one of Herman's ancestors would be related to both of you. Likewise for Frances. If every single one of your shared matches descended from the same Madsen-Jensen couple, then every single one of your shared matches would be a second cousin (perhaps once or twice removed) or closer. But some of the shared matches will be third or fourth cousins. Even with the threshold of 20 centimorgans, some of them could be fifth or sixth cousins. Maybe you were trying to simplify things for your viewers, but I think it's very important to be precise about these things.
@GenealogyTV 3 жыл бұрын
You are so right.... I need to do another video to clarify that. What I meant to say is that everyone in that group descend "through" that line not from that line.... kind of like Thrulines shows. I will update that episode soon. Thanks for pointing that out.
@7tracey7 Жыл бұрын
Glad you said that as I was thinking g the same! I still don’t get it but I get that but 😂
@suzannemcclendon 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for all of your helpful videos, Connie. I use the dots on Ancestry (and now MyHeritage), and I also have created a Leeds chart in Google Sheets for Ancestry. I like your color coded tree image. I wish that we could color it like that in Ancestry! What I can't figure out is the proper way to do a Leeds chart for 23andMe matches since they have changed what the Yes/No column means. Does that change anything about how to do it? Do you have a video about creating a Leeds for 23andMe? Have a blessed day.
@GenealogyTV 2 жыл бұрын
You can do Auto Clustering on MyHeritage rather quickly (same as Leeds method)... or on Genetic Affairs (same developer). Here is a video on how it works from the developer. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/r9p-fs-QvLTbh6M.html
@suzannemcclendon 2 жыл бұрын
@@GenealogyTV Thank you, Connie. I will watch that video shortly.
@pamelahoward6220 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your great videos. This particular one verified for me I was on the right track color coding couples, but how do you color code when the relationship is say from a second marriage - related only by one of the couple? Thanks again. Pam
@GenealogyTV 2 жыл бұрын
I would color code only those who have a genetic relationship.
@alicemusiclive3406 7 ай бұрын
Very interesting ! Thank you for all that good informations of research method. But.. How to organize DNA match with a unknown Grandfather ? I got cluster with couple commun ancestors found, but I had no idea how to regroup them.. Any help? Thank you
@GenealogyTV 7 ай бұрын
Color code the "known" grandparent matches. The ones left over (not colored when unfiltered) are likely from the unknown grandfathers line. Then search those matches trees and start putting together the puzzle pieces.
@heathermcfarlane4238 2 жыл бұрын
I love this visual tool. I'm struggling, though, because my ancestors' families intermarried so much that the shared matches are confusing.
@GenealogyTV 2 жыл бұрын
I hear you.
@knockshinnoch1950 2 жыл бұрын
I've started to review the connections with several DNA relatives and I'm appalled at the levels of inaccuracies in the majority of their family trees. It would appear that they've simply copied in data without any fact check whatsoever. Even a cursory glance would reveal the glaring errors in almost every case. It has made me hesitant to make any contact as a result, I find it demoralising and it doesn't bode well for future generations who stumble across this complete fiction when they undertake their own research into their roots. Of course it's all too easy to confuse and conflate folks in your line who share the same name but a few checks and balances usually hi lights the error fairly quickly. I just fear irreparable harm may being done
@sheilachapman3903 2 жыл бұрын
I have never contacted any DNA match tree owner with any success. The trees are so inaccurate and the owners either ignore me or fail to give any answer as to who they are descended from in their tree .
@deaneccleston7450 Жыл бұрын
@@sheilachapman3903 I really don't understand why people are like that. My matches either don't have trees or ignore me.
@melaniecarver5719 Жыл бұрын
Totally agree. I mean, the DNA matches but the name there could be anything. Donald Duck or Mickey Mouse. The connection still has to be backed up. I just found one and the trees were so wildly inaccurate I couldn't believe it. Let's just say I knew nothing about the family. I would still know that the man didn't have FOUR sons named William by two different wives. I know the line has been researched the "old-fashioned" way and the suggested match doesn't match the research. It makes me feel like you, just wanting to give up with contacting any of them.
@bethperkins8228 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the informative video. I have been slowly working my way thru the myriad of cousins to figure out how they relate within my tree. How is it that when I look at matches in common with some of these people, I am told there are none. They can be in a short list I am looking at but then when I look at them individually, nothing. I am finding this dna stuff pretty confusing. Thanks.
@GenealogyTV 3 жыл бұрын
It’s because they haven’t built out their tree enough. In order to have a common ancestor, both trees have to have been built out to the same set of ancestors.
@stevemartin5582 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this helpful approach. I've been working on this categorization for a few months and it's been illuminating. One strange thing I've encountered: my paternal Grandmother has no matches going through that line. All other grandparents & GGPs have hundreds. I also have hundreds of cousin DNA matches which don't have any association with my tree or any other cousin matches. Are these two things related? Could this mean my paternal grandmother's parentage could be not correct?
@GenealogyTV 3 жыл бұрын
Steve... based on only what you told me... that is my first thought. That this grandmother might not be your bio grandmother. You should inherit about 25% of her DNA. Once you group the cousins into known groups... then look at the best unknown match and click on shared matches. Group them as something like "unknown line" and study the closest cousin matches in that group. Look at their trees for clues. Keep an open mind. I hope that helps... and thanks for supporting the channel.
@talentonboard2456 3 жыл бұрын
This is extremely helpful. When I first went on ancestry I copied others trees and then learned just because a bunch of people say the same thing doesn’t mean it is true unless the first person was right with sources. My question is if we have a bunch of DNA matches that have possibly copied each other’s trees do we trust that the DNA is right and the tree is right ? Or have we tied ourselves to a fictitious tree? I have been cleaning up my tree with sources so it looks pretty good. But sometimes I get the green potential ancestor and someone with DNA says it is so but you look and they have no real sources. Or they do have a source to a Mary Smith but when I look that can’t be my Mary smith unless she had my great grandfather when she was 7 because I have multiple sources with his birth. Sorting these cousins with this feature in this video may help with this though because I may find someone with sources to be checked. Thank you for this channel!
@GenealogyTV 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you. You always want to use records to verify links between people. You don’t want to just wholesale copy other trees. When there are no records, you need to do the research yourself. You may be the first to add records. You may also discover that those links are wrong in other peoples trees and you can support that with quality research that you’ve done. As far as the potential ancestor, again you need to verify that ancestor with some sort of records. Stay tuned I have another episode coming up soon about this.
@melaniecarver5719 Жыл бұрын
I don't understand why some people are even researching yet not, you know, researching.
@beckymillinger1774 11 ай бұрын
Thank you, for the first time I "get it" after trying to understand this system. I never see these matches and shared matches as you show but likely because my tree is private? Is there a way to do this system without making my tree public?
@GenealogyTV 11 ай бұрын
Make sure your DNA test is linked to your tree. support.ancestry.com/s/article/Linking-an-AncestryDNA-Test-to-a-Tree?language=en_US Also, look in your DNA settings (DNA page, settings in the upper right) and look at the visibility and sharing section. Is DNA matches turned on?
@beckymillinger1774 11 ай бұрын
@@GenealogyTV Thank you. I had to make my tree public to get the common ancestor and shared matches. Your video is really helpful!
@SylviaFriesland Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video. I am a genealogy beginner. Do I get that right that I need a basic family tree in the first place (at least parents and grandparents) in order to gain any information out of a Leeds chart? I am helping a friend who only knows the names of her parents, but has no contact at all to the grandparents….
@GenealogyTV Жыл бұрын
If you are a beginner... don't bother with the Leeds chart. It is an advanced method. Follow the instructions outlined in this video and the few that follow it.
@JustAGuitarPlayer 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve been using this method which is great but unfortunately Ancestry only allows for 24 groups. I sent in a suggestion to Ancestry that they give us the ability to create more groups, I thought colored circles but with numbers 2,3,4, 5, 6 etc inside the circles denoting how far back the great grandparent couple is 2nd great grandparents get a circle with a 2 inside and the color of our choice in addition to the great grandparents last names but more than 24 groups. I’ve used up all the groups already with the last names of my 8 2nd great grandparent couples and 16 3rd great grandparent couples so to be able to group more accurately going further back would be a game changer. If you like the idea and have any influence with the folks at Ancestry, please pass my suggestion on. Thanks
@GenealogyTV 3 жыл бұрын
Good idea. If I get a chance, I'll pass it along.
@JustAGuitarPlayer 3 жыл бұрын
@@GenealogyTV Thanks, I wanted to elaborate on my suggestion for Ancestry above. If we had the ability to have 126 groups, then we could create groups for our 2 grandparents, 4 great grandparent couples, 8 2nd great grandparent couples, 16 3rd great grandparent couples, 32 4th great grandparents couples and 64 5th great grandparent couples. So 126 would be a nice amount of groups to increase it up to and I do think having numbers inside the colored circles would be helpful to denote which grandparent level they are. The problem in my opinion with the emoji's that everyone including Crista Cowan recommends, is that you can't filter your searches by emoji's (at least not that I'm aware of) but you can do a "filtered" search for which group of DNA matches you want to see and it works great. There just aren't enough groups for those of us that like to go back further in our trees. I also would bring back showing us all our DNA matches, not just those that exceed 8cm's or whatever the limit is. Those small cm matches still help when you are going back further. Anyway, I hope Ancestry is listening, thanks for passing my suggestion if you get a chance. I LOVE your videos by the way! Always extremely helpful, so thank you for all your work!
@davidk4869 Жыл бұрын
Agree!
@sarahademenos1161 Жыл бұрын
I submitted an enhancement request for a way to have more groups through their support phone number. Perhaps if they receive multiple requests they will raise the priority.
@juliannabrewer39 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, love this but would like to know more about handling half cousins. My ggrandfather had two families and there are tons of decedents! If I look at a known cousin from his marriage to my ggrandmother, I still see all the decedents from his other wife in the DNA shared matches. Thoughts? Happy Thanksgiving!
@juliannabrewer39 2 жыл бұрын
Actually after thinking about it more, I need to go back another generation on my ggrandmother's side and see if I have any matches there, then I can group them from her side.
@GenealogyTV 2 жыл бұрын
Yes... so you would still have DNA with half relationships... but the range would be less than a full relationship. Use the DNA Painter tool as a guide for all relationship possibilities. If you look closely you'll see the range of cM overlaps with others. For example, look at the Half 1C (meaning half first cousin), in the green column on the left. The range is 156 - 979 cM with an average of 449. Then on the other side look for the box that shows a Full 1C (full 1st cousins), the range is 396-1397 with an average of 866 cM's. They overlap from 396-979. It's just the nature of the beast. So I can see how you would have some of the half and full cousins mixed up. This is a good question that I might do a video for. Yes... if you can go up higher in the tree (back a generation) you might be able to separate out those half DNA cousins. here is the link to the DNA Painter Tool. dnapainter.com/tools/sharedcmv4
@staynavytom2963 2 жыл бұрын
Do you have a way to extract the cousin matches into an excel spreadsheet like you do with census records?
@GenealogyTV 2 жыл бұрын
Not so easy. Sorry.
@teresasweightloss1916 9 ай бұрын
I have a what genealogist refers to as a collapsible family tree. I have a few lines where 1st cousins, even 2nd cousins married and show up on both of my parents sides. I even have one line where brother and sister married. How do I deal with color coding that mess of a family tree? I've tried to color code them, but I get stuck when I come to the 2nd pair.
@GenealogyTV 9 ай бұрын
Yeah, I don't know that it is going to help you in your situation.
@afromystik4365 10 ай бұрын
Hey Connie Knox👋🏾👋🏾! So I have been attempting to color code, however my moms dad I discovered was not whom we knew. So I have this whole side of her tree that is unknown her highest paternal match is 943cms- this man is a nephew of her potential father. Is that even possible?
@GenealogyTV 10 ай бұрын
Go to the shared centimorgan tool on dnapainter.com and plug in the number centimorgans to see all of the possible relationships.
@barblee5294 3 жыл бұрын
How distant can the "known cousin match" be in regards to marking the shared matches with that cousin? For instance, do you think it would be effective to use a 3C as the known cousin? What about a 1/2 3C1R to my 3GGrandfather? I share almost 90 cM with him and he is verified. Could I expect that shared matches I have with him would be through the same 3GGrandfather?
@GenealogyTV 3 жыл бұрын
Yes you could use 3rd cousin as a known cousin. Just keep in mind where that person is in your tree, and think logically about who would share DNA with you and that third cousin.
@GenealogyTV 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for supporting the channel Barb.
@raymondschneider1414 3 жыл бұрын
Are the common ancestors showing up in your tree, the match’s tree or both trees? How are the common ancestors determined? Can a match to a tree with only a few people find common ancestors? So many questions!!
@GenealogyTV 3 жыл бұрын
The common ancestor is found in both trees. So ancestry is just matching up those two trees saying that you both have the same common ancestor. You can have a DNA match to someone who only has a few people in the tree. It just won’t show you the common ancestor if they haven’t trace their ancestry back that far. If you have a close match, then you might want to help do their research for them, to figure out the common ancestor and ultimately your relationship to that DNA cousin.
@charleshill6364 3 жыл бұрын
ok, I get the cousin color matching but how do you do the grandparent's colors? I saw it on one of your past videos. thanks!
@GenealogyTV 3 жыл бұрын
You can create a custom group for your grandparents or any person or couple you want. Just be sure to name it so you know what the color means.
@charleshill6364 3 жыл бұрын
@@GenealogyTV thank you!
@pinwheelgrl9304 3 жыл бұрын
The first cousins you know really are your 1st cousins, identify grandparents. 2nd cousins identify great grandparents. So you pick one first cousin you are confident about and know which side; then everyone that matches them should be under the same grandparents. It should still work even if grandparent had a 2nd marriage because the match will still be related to one or the other of them (grparent). Better to use more than one 1st cousin on the same side to catch people having a couple different segments than the other cousin (50% dna is lost each generation, and not everyone inherits the same pieces).
@marylumetz2782 3 жыл бұрын
No sign of Handouts in my community tab and I have the proper membership. What do I do now?
@GenealogyTV 3 жыл бұрын
It is there. I just checked. It was posted about a week ago. And yes you do have access. All handouts for Channel Members are in the blog posts on the COMMUNITY TAB on the KZfaq Channel. Once there, scroll down and look for HANDOUT. CLICK READ MORE (just above the image of the video), then click the HANDOUT LINK. Don’t forget to download it with the down arrow in the upper right corner. Info Access level channel members have access to all handouts. To go to the Community Tab directly... kzfaq.infoCommunity. Thanks for supporting Genealogy TV!
@shannonberry7968 5 ай бұрын
My great-grandparents on my mother's side divorced and remarried other people and had lots of children, so my grandma has a ton of half-siblings making for even more half-cousins (for my mom). My great-grandfather on my dad's side had 7 children with his first wife, then after her death, had 7 more with his second wife. How do I handle grouping with these sides? Up to this point I have been grouping by individual (i.e. a color for each grandparent and great-grandparent, but it has become cumbersome.
@GenealogyTV 5 ай бұрын
I use the surnames of a married couple... i.e. Smith-Jones as a group. So descendants of that couple get that color code. Then say Smith remarried to a Davis... new group Smith-Davis and all descendants from that couple get that color code.
@donnam.holland2473 3 жыл бұрын
My question is a little off the track of this video, but it does relate to cousins. I have a match on Ancestry.com in a member's tree, that reflects 45 cM / 3 segments. In studying this tree to see where we could match, I discovered this person actually has two distantly related people (about 5 generations or so back); of the two people in her tree, one is on her paternal size and one is on her maternal side. Comparing to my tree, both of these matches are on the maternal side of my tree. Are the two "values" of the different matches combined into the one reading of 45 cM / 3 seg's? Does this reflect on the value of the reading? (I believe I've heard the word "endogamy" used in this kind of a situation.....and whatever it is called I sure see it often in my one family line that immigrated to New England, came down the East Coast, then migrated across the South.) Appreciate your videos so much and keep my eye open for new ones. Donna
@GenealogyTV 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Donna. So endogamy is when there is a lot of cousins marrying cousins to the point that it is really hard to figure out. This happens in close communities where they like to marry within their culture/clan. This could also be where there is a geographic limitation, like an island. You'll see endogamy in Jewish populations, islanders and many others. I think what you are describing might be pedigree collapse. This is where only one or two ancestral lines have the same ancestral couple. The result of either situation is that the cM count will be higher than expected in descendants from those shared ancestral couples. Said another way... (I have a pedigree collapse case of this in my family), I have my 4X Great Grandparents who had great grandchildren who marry each other. So technically they were 2nd cousins. Thus, the ancestral 4X great grandparent (to me) are showing up twice in my grandfathers line (once on his mothers side and once on his fathers side). I'm sure that was clear as mud. In your case, yes, the cM's are a collective total. The trick to figuring this out is to figure out what the "expected" DNA cM range should be for the genealogical relationships. Then compare to what you have. Also, you're just going to need to do the old fashioned genealogy of your matches tree to learn the real genealogical connection. Most likely, after you do that, you might learn if the cM count makes sense or not. Keep in mind that there is an overlap of cM's in various relationships... so you might not have a clear answer. Go to dnapainter.com/tools/sharedcmv4 and see the overlap...and various possible relationships. I hope that helps.
@TRoth858 Жыл бұрын
This is a great informative video. I have one question though. How do I color code relatives that are halfs? My dad was adopted. My dad has 2 half siblings. So the color dot for my grandparents would be different from my half cousins as we have different grandmothets. Of course when I get to my great grandparents, we'd have the same ones, so they'd get the same color. I love doing family history, and love learning abt DNA matches, but there being divorces & affairs & adoptions sure can complicate things., and confuse people like me.
@GenealogyTV Жыл бұрын
Using a preplanned color code system (like in the video ) can help. Go up a generation or two on the bio side of the half sibling and use that color, but not the color of the other non-bio side.
@TRoth858 Жыл бұрын
@@GenealogyTV thank you!
@KYCyn1066 Жыл бұрын
I'm so confused. I've done the Leeds method and I have too many lines that are comingled, meaning that numerous cousins hit multiple "lines" of relatives. I am working with an adopted friend, who doesn't know any people in her lines and only has two close matches 350 and 275 ish) but over 3000 second cousins. Is this normal to have cousins that cross color groups?
@GenealogyTV Жыл бұрын
There might be cousins who married causing the comingled lines. Those second cousins are key. They need to be grouped. Using my G Rule... the 2nd cousins will have Great Grandparents in common (two G's). Which set is for your to figure out. Pick the best 2nd cousin, hit the "shared matches" tool and figure out which of their ancestors are common among the group. Then create a group with that name like Smith-Jones (married ancestors surnames). Then color code all those shared cousins who have the same ancestors in that group. Then do the same on ungrouped 2nd cousins until you have four sets of great grandparent couples grouped. These are likely the great grandparent of your adopted friend. Then do genealogy research to discover ALL the descendants you can find. Eventually, you will start getting closer to figuring out who those closer matches are. The 350 cM match (or any match for that matter)... go to DNA painter to see all possibilities. dnapainter.com/tools/sharedcmv4
@debehmann8791 2 жыл бұрын
My parents weren't tested but I do have "father's side" and "mother's side" in my DNA list.
@GenealogyTV 2 жыл бұрын
Great start.
@caburchfield1212 2 жыл бұрын
Do I only assign group to DNA matches that have their tree available showing a connection to intended group?
@GenealogyTV 2 жыл бұрын
Find your best "known" match for whatever branch you are working on and then hit the shared matches tool. Then color code everyone in that list with the color that represents that branch of the family. They either descend from or descend through that branch somehow.
@caburchfield1212 2 жыл бұрын
@@GenealogyTV Thank you for your response. My understanding was clearer when you said 'descend from or descend through'. The majority of my matches fit the 'descend through' statement and now I understand the power of grouping.
@saraschneider6781 Жыл бұрын
When I tested my grandmother's DNA, i wasshocked to find that she had 30% Swedish and Danish on herp eternal side when I expected both of her lines to be nearly 100% German/Polish/Russian both due to border changes and conflicting information on historical docs. Beyond paternal, I am not certain if it comes from her father's paternal or maternal side... or both. Her closest match is a double 1st cousin and there are 22 close matches that are paternal. How do I use this information to find out where this ethnicity originated?
@GenealogyTV Жыл бұрын
Research their family trees. I do this by creating a Floating Tree so I can research it my way in my own tree. If you don't know what I'm talking about here is a video. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/b7aAlKt0v9DVeYU.html
@randomuploadsfromgrandmaja4046 3 жыл бұрын
I'd like to delete some groups but I don't see the "delete" option in the dialog box. I've followed your advice about how to group matches and I've created new groups that are more organized and logical. I then moved folks around into their new groups and have emptied out the old groups, but they're still showing up in the list of possible groups. Why am I not seeing the delete option in the "Create custom group" box?
@GenealogyTV 3 жыл бұрын
Go to about 16:15 minutes into the video where I show you how to delete the group. You have to be in edit mode to see the delete group button. Click on any cousin, then + to add a group (you don't actually need to add anything here, it just gets into the right window), then click the pencil icon to the right of the group you want to delete. You should now see the font that says "delete this group"... like in the video.
@randomuploadsfromgrandmaja4046 3 жыл бұрын
@@GenealogyTV Thanks I will try again. Love your videos!
@randomuploadsfromgrandmaja4046 3 жыл бұрын
@@GenealogyTV It worked THANKS!
@LriceVT 3 жыл бұрын
How about adding the LAST SIGNED IN DATE below the Matches photo along with the "managed by..."? Seems a simple enough addition as everyone's LAST SIGNED IN DATE is listed on their Profile page! It is frustrating to find a new match that has not been active for over a year!
@GenealogyTV 3 жыл бұрын
Not a bad idea, but it will change when they sign in again.
@LriceVT 3 жыл бұрын
@@GenealogyTV I hope it does change! The match page would show the Last Signed in Date, just as it does in your Profile. Doesn't that change whenever you log in, or are you saying the last signed in date doesn't change?
@GenealogyTV 3 жыл бұрын
The last signed in date could be a range of time. If a person never logs out and leaves it open all the time, then the date range would be shown.
@LriceVT 3 жыл бұрын
@@GenealogyTV I believe you may be incorrect on this as I have looked at over a 1000 matches profiles and I have never found anyone who has never signed out or at least I have never seen a Last Signed Date other than these options: 1. Over a year since last sign in date 2. 3-11 Months since last sign in date 3. Month 4. Last Week 5 Today I have asked Ancestry help to explain how I could get a New Common Ancestor Match who had not Signed in for over a year and they never got back to me.
@sabineflanders5070 Жыл бұрын
Hello
@debbieroot4618 3 жыл бұрын
are the colors just the dots, or the background color in the tree?
@GenealogyTV 3 жыл бұрын
Just dots. I created that colored tree to demonstrate the strategy.
@debbieroot4618 3 жыл бұрын
@@GenealogyTV thank you.
@joannfortune1482 3 жыл бұрын
Hello Connie I would like to know how to find the slave owner's will. I have not idea on how to find the slave owner either. Please help
@GenealogyTV 3 жыл бұрын
Most wills are held at the state or county level. So you need to know where they were located. Most are online either at Ancestry or state archives. If you know the enslaved person's last name, then the slave owner "might" have the same last name. You can then look for all persons with that surname in the county where they lived in the U.S. or State Census. Watch this episode, Researching Persons of Color: African American Genealogy, it might help. It is here kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qLpyntN2scWmmp8.html
@sabineflanders5070 Жыл бұрын
May I have contact Info for you please?
@rebeccaham4008 3 жыл бұрын
what do you do if you don't have DNA for all these grandparents? I have 1 parent living, and no aunts uncles willing to test?
@GenealogyTV 3 жыл бұрын
Group what you know. Then group what is left. Then search those unknown trees to start discover which line the unknown DNA matches belong to... and add them to a group as you discover them. Then with your best newly discovered matches, use the Shared Matches tool to filter the list to that line of the family... then add all those in the filtered list to the group that represents them. Be sure to watch this episode too... it comes after the one you just watched. AncestryDNA Grouping Cousin Matches: Clarified kzfaq.info/get/bejne/j7V3lNWHyN6wgoU.html
@brendakrans1937 3 жыл бұрын
How do I get the handouts
@GenealogyTV 3 жыл бұрын
All handouts for Channel Members are in the blog posts on the COMMUNITY TAB on the KZfaq Channel. Once there, scroll down and look for HANDOUT. CLICK READ MORE (just above the image of the video), then click the HANDOUT LINK. Don’t forget to download it with the down arrow in the upper right corner. Info Access level channel members have access to all handouts. To go to the Community Tab directly... kzfaq.infoCommunity. Thanks for supporting Genealogy TV!
@sherrysmith-stanford1394 4 ай бұрын
Confused. Did she start with making just 4 groups, each made up of her 4 pair of great grandparents? So really 8 people involved making 4 groups and 4 color? Then each group was named after the surnames of those 8 individuals? I couldn't see her tree to really catch that part. I've been trying to figure this out for 4 days now. Thanks for any help. I've been in tears trying to figure this out.
@GenealogyTV 4 ай бұрын
Yes... exactly... but one step further. My grandparents are Henley married Madsen. So one group is Henley-Madsen. My other grandparents are Booth married to Simmons. So that grouping was Booth-Simmons. Now I took it one more generation... my Henley grandfather's parents were Henley-Winslow (Winslow being the surname of my great grandmother on the paternal side.) So ultimately I had four groups of great grandparent couples, Henley-Winslow, Madsen-Jensen, Booth-Smith, and Simmons-Coss. It's complicated to explain in a message here.
@sherrysmith-stanford8582 4 ай бұрын
Thanks for trying. I'll draw out a map. I'm about to give up.
@BrandyTexas214 2 жыл бұрын
If someone is listed as my 1-2nd cousin, would it also possibly be my moms 2nd cousin or would it have to be her 1st cousin? I know which branch it’s coming from.. we just can’t figure out who it is.. we’ve had an adoption in our family…if it’s her 1st cousin then we have an answer
@GenealogyTV 2 жыл бұрын
Go to DNA Painter to see all possible relationship. dnapainter.com/tools/sharedcmv4
@candacebailey7357 3 жыл бұрын
Most of my matches have no trees on line so I have no idea who they are related to.
@GenealogyTV 3 жыл бұрын
Message them to learn more. Then start creating floating trees with those matches until they start to connect.
@susanhamby-cooper6000 2 жыл бұрын
My brick wall is being adopted at birth, in the state of Florida USA & Florida has a closed adoption policy, what in the heck do I do? Go? Start? Thanks
@GenealogyTV 2 жыл бұрын
If you have not taken a DNA test, do so at Ancestry. Then, learn how to group your DNA matches. I have several videos on how to do this. Eventually, you'll figure out your bio family. Also see the DNA Basics video that is coming out in a couple of weeks.
@susanhamby-cooper6000 2 жыл бұрын
@@GenealogyTV i already have 23&me & Ancestry results back & waiting for My Heritage results. Trying to figure out how to do the GEDcom, plus I'm also on Wikitree, FTDNA & GEDmatch. I got my daughter, son & g-daughter 23&me results. If that helps. I just can't go by my surnames
@karlayork877 Жыл бұрын
~ 07:08 No, you do NOT "know that all of those shared matches descend from the same Madsen-Jensen couple"! Sometimes most of the shared matches are related to both of you in the same way, sometimes few of those shared matches are related to both of you in the same way, but very rarely are all of those shared matches are related to both of you in the same way. Any given match which you share with Carol may be related to her through her "Smith" line and to you through your "Jones" line, for example. Each match must be analysed individually; doing otherwise is lazy and will lead to all sorts of errors. Advising others to do so borders on criminal.
@GenealogyTV Жыл бұрын
I clarified this in the next video called grouping your DNA Matches Clarified
@VanessaKittredge 2 жыл бұрын
So you have to have everyones dna to work this out? I’ve done my dna but my family is small and disjointed. I won’t have much luck asking people to test. I don’t even know them. I’m trying to solve for my third great grandmother who was adopted. She had no idea who her birth parents were. Bummer!
@GenealogyTV 2 жыл бұрын
Not necessarily. You can group the DNA cousins you have and work that list. I have a playlist of videos that might help. This one you watched was the first in the series. kzfaq.info/sun/PLiMXWjHlj5RSR-KaPX0jLYC-zFxpqU6OJ
@saimuanwosa 22 күн бұрын
Hi, I have someone who thinks I am brothers daughter. My match with her is 19.40 percent. My I have a father, so I am confused
@GenealogyTV 22 күн бұрын
What are the cM’s?
@Lovinglea61 3 жыл бұрын
I got totally confused once they started getting coloured. The funny thing is that my family are Henley but we are from England.
@GenealogyTV 3 жыл бұрын
Yep. We're probably related. Our Henley's originated in England.
@Lovinglea61 3 жыл бұрын
@@GenealogyTV Isn't it somewhat amusing how the world is such a huge place yet it seems as though we all come from a goldfish bowl? LOL
@Lovinglea61 3 жыл бұрын
@@GenealogyTV I'm curious, which bit of England are your Henley's from? Mine seem to have all come from some place called Aspley Guise.
@maggie2011100 2 жыл бұрын
I just received my dna ,but i do not no who my father is.On the trees is the top father and bottom mother.
@28raileysmom28 3 жыл бұрын
So I'm having a big issue... My family tree is more like a bush lol. The families between my parents all came from the same area and had big families where multiple children married into the same family so I'm having a hard time figuring out where connections are coming from. Then on top of that is the issue of a grandfather not knowing his bio dad which I'm pretty sure I have solved but there's no way to be sure because all are deceased that would know or could be tested. I feel like I have a huge tangled knot of over 10,000 cousin matches 😩
@GenealogyTV 3 жыл бұрын
Okay... couple of ideas come to mind. If there are any living males that descend from the grandfather that is missing his bio dad, then see if you can do a Y-DNA test at FamilyTreeDNA. Males inherit 100% of the Y-DNA from their fathers (up and down the male line)... so that living descendant would have the same Y-DNA as the missing great grandfather. Since you have an endogamous family, this may not totally solve the issue, but it might help. Endogamous families are really challenging to tease out the relationships using DNA alone. You are going to need to really focus on the paper trail more so than DNA. It might be that once you have a good tree based on good traditional genealogy, then the DNA might start to make sense.
@pinwheelgrl9304 3 жыл бұрын
I heard that for areas that have intermarried a lot, if regular relationship have smaller segments than normal instead of the larger ones, then you know. So the idea is to pay attention to who has the larger segments, which would mean they would be closer related. That's one huge clue I found. Everything else is still confusing.
@deborahleroy5323 5 ай бұрын
I dislike people who do not use their real names. It makes it that much harder to figure out who they are. I wish it was possible to call Ancestry and have them give you their full name.
@terrybrown7601 2 жыл бұрын
When are they going to add chromosome tools like Ftdna and MyHeritage have ?
@GenealogyTV 2 жыл бұрын
Don't hold your breath. I would be shocked if they do.
@TrevorEMayo 5 ай бұрын
At 7:39 this statement is simply wrong. All the matches you share with a cousin don't necessarily descend from the same couple. You and your cousin will definitely share matches with more distant ancestors further up the tree. Those particular matches will only share DNA with one of the partners in the couple.
@GenealogyTV 5 ай бұрын
Agreed. I misspoke... and corrected it in the next video called AncestryDNA Grouping Cousin Matches: Clarified kzfaq.info/get/bejne/j7V3lNWHyN6wgoU.html
@Rubbe87 3 жыл бұрын
I'm my own grandpa.
@GenealogyTV 3 жыл бұрын
Humm...
@josephbohme7917 Жыл бұрын
The coding colors are the Key. If you could get Anscestry to let you lay out a fan pattern diagram and they gave a few systems to choose that would be EXCELLENT. But lamely, they do not. Secondly the stupid cursor covers the tiny Spec of s Surmame on Myheritage color dot and the order is also important if closer cousins have enrollment in 10 colors/generations. Sadly the color limits of 24 is LOW. Four gens gets to simply 2 grt grandparent level is 32 surnames. then what. Msot of us can get back to before 1700 with all the record sharing. That level of 1700 is roughly 128/256 Surnames. For me is 9 generations maybe 10. So with an alpha Numeric you could reuse the colors and assign a bigger system at least to the 1600 period where dna can't really be a case because of intermix. We can go throughthe Mayflower survivors and think we all had a part of that. becasue this names are likely among th trees of are matches. Biut that is a bad assumption. One that many people make. I have almost every one: Alden Bradford Brewster Cook Doty Fuller Hopkins(Snow) ... Soule Standish Tilley/Howland ... thru to Winslow. SO we must be kissin cousins. The General Society of Mayflower Descendants notes 10 miilon =12%, live in USA alone of 30 million more worldwide. Darn. Alphanumeric in a color ball would be Wooweee, You just run out of colors too quick and with a RED A4. you could say the generation and the branch coinciding with the tree. Since som branches are biot worked or known for years. (50 serious annual years of looking) All could be done. Even ability to keep a Surname list and search response count on it would best big interactive. Ancestry lests you search for a town, But once in a persons tree; there is no search for the town???. DUMB. But MyHeritage lests you not do an overall search for a town/place. But once on any tree they have a town/place search and a few other filters dates /relist orders. I admin for over 25 testers most related so know the difficulty and braurty of ciolor coding, Onl,y a data genius can pit the software to work and bunch the 10,000 cohesively. Still. can't get much value of the Matrix system MH & FTDNA Offfer And why cant we do a Chromosome search of a certain segment? So many needs and so few controls we have. I have so many refrence trees made on Ancestral Quest (the best!! and cheap too) and Copied Familysearch fan charts of so many perhaps ancestors. Its overwhelming. Can't do one huge unrealated of unconnected groups or it would be a EnigmaTREE of people. Or would it? Suppose you ALSO HAVE listed every man/family for a whole small town in x census too. We will all die having made too many lists. It would never be able to make duplicates a prime directive. But people do duplicate themselves and never tall the spouse or family. I made a surname Matrix of sorts. Alpha on Left Y axis and keep putting in the conjoined surnames horizontally eventually they may coincide. These surmnames along the trail branching back to 1600-1500 period 10-15 names. Pretty soon you are adding those new names found to the original Y axis and you get to build a more accurate understanding of familial acesndancy. A fact not a randomness. From Your samples. You are factually unique in this factual fractal called humanity 101. There have always been genetic facts. Only humans never did not often really know the truth, save for present with DNA tests. We have been writing assumptive history and records for 1000 years. We are all subject to being illegitimate. And doing the same hereafter. No control of others is the rule.
@Borntobeawhovian Жыл бұрын
this method is cool and all but it doesnt help when you dont have many 1st cousins who have not taken a test and probably never will and the fact that your 2 times great grandparents children had children who didn't have children and arent alive today I've recently noticed on my mothers side that about 8 descendants of all 2 times great grandparents have descendants alive today and i know most of them besides 2
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