So, like real life?

@Ifyoucanreadthisgoog­lebroke the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Thank you for taking the time to watch!

Great comment lol…although I’m still holding out hope for some of the characters in asiof. I’m betting the books will diverge a bit from the show’s shallow portrayal of this trope.

Marika reminds me of Tywin and Tyrion with how she shunned Morgott/Mohg due to them being deformed hornsent-looking mofos

@@behurastudio that's a great connection! Although I didn't mention it in the video Tyrion's upbringing reminded me of Miquella's (albeit Bran Stark makes for a better Miquella connection). For instance both Tyrion & Miquella are born into Great Houses (Lannister & Erdtree), both Great Houses are associated with gold & lions, both individuals studied holy doctrine in their youth (Triple Rings of Light), both are born with a genetic medical conditions that affects their stature & both make up for their lack of strength with an abundance of knowledge. Tyrion also has a thought in ASOIAF that I think matches well with the narrative of Elden Ring: "It all goes back and back. To our mothers and fathers and theirs before them. We are puppets dancing on the strings of those who came before us, and one day our own children will take up our strings and dance on in our steads." In part 2 I discuss Targaryen stillbirths & how they are related to the sins of Valyria's past (ie Gogossos) in a similar way to how the Omen Curse continues to plague the Golden Order as the curse is possibly related to the atrocities carried out by Messmer, under the orders of Marika, against the Hornsent.

You mean Godfrey and Marika?

@@KitsuneShapeShifter same same, but different.

@@positivecontacts Oh yeah, that's true! For some reason I never saw the direct parallel lol

Mi-que-lla Mi-che-lob Miquella is Canadian confirmed

Bruuuuuuhhh i need that elden ring full book series NOW!!!

@@deadeye9439somewhere exists the elden ring lore compendium. Hidden under some fromsoft devs pillow and we will never find it.

Yup. But I also think he was being kiddy with the “5000 years” thing. While I do think he wrote the ancient history predating our Tarnished’s return. I think the “5000” years thing is less literal and mainly figurative. Kinda like how we say “oh, I went to the shop last week to collect the milk” instead of explicitly stating something like “oh, I went to the shop at 11:54am on the Wednesday of the previous week to collect semi-skinned milk” With that said, yes. I believe he wrote a lot. In fact, playing through the game and its DLC, I couldn’t only help but feel Martins influence everywhere, as an ASOIAF fan. Literally everywhere. Even in the smallest instances such as how the Hornsent of the Tower view/treat the Formless Mother compared to how Omens of the basegame view/treat the Formless Mother. Little differences/nuances like that remind me of how in ASOIAF, the Lord of Light is one of the primary Outer Forces in the Lands that is viewed completely differently depending on different cultures of Westeros’ interpretation of it. It’s beyond typical “LovecraftHorror/Aliens”. At that point, the Cosmic force itself becomes a part of and ingrained in the history and tangibility of the Lands itself, and religions based on differing beliefs are built soon a singular concept. Another example would be the Greater Will, with the new revelations we got in the DLC. That’s something that Martin does incredibly well and that is present in even the tiniest instances in Elden Ring. Of course, the biggest and most obvious example of his fingerprints would be the convoluted and intricate family tree, their interwoven relationships, and their individual and relative political significance. But I’m mainly talking about the smaller details here ! lol

@Odin_Oracle Watch some of House of the Dragon, especially something from season 2. The dialogue and obscure, layered motivations from the characters. It's like watching the Elden Ring TV show. Still, they did an amazing job of thoroughly blending elements from both Martin and Miyazaki's creativity.

@Odin_Oracle The spirit jellyfish you bring to stargazer ruins, the one calling out for her sister says "when we were 14, you promised we'd look at the stars." So normal human lifespans are a thing in Elden ring, and fromsoftware has a history of a thousand year gap between a cataclysm and the start of the game, so that's all I'm really going off.

Also Miyazaki has a song of ice and fire on his “bookshelf of influences” he talked about well before Elden Ring. If we include the entire series it probably takes up the most space in this metaphorical library.

Exactly, when you have read ASOIAF the parallels between the characters are very clear

@@coleslau2372 agreed, I am loving House of the Dragon at the moment. It’s hard to watch Rhaenyra and not be thinking of Marika.

I completely agree, a lot of the story many of the lore community have crafted is full of holes the could easily be patched if it was told as ASOIAF. Ranni killing godwyn is easily explained by the fact that he was likely to become next elden lord to whoever was picked to be the empyrian to succeed Marika. It also explains why Malenia could not be miquella's consort even if she really wanted and someone like radhan had to be picked after godwyn death.

Maybe because Miyazaki said that they changed and twisted the concepts GRRM originally wrote? Do you really think that George wrote every single detail in the game?

​@@ramoraidWhat a way to ignore the game's lore. First of all, an Elden Lord isn't determined by bloodline or anything like that. Second, Malenia can't be a Consort because she's an Empyrean. Honestly I have a feeling you haven't even played the game or if you did your knowledge of the lore is surface level

@Iowan3-0 your positivity fuels this channel, thank you for taking the time to watch! Although my knowledge of ASOIAF is rather limited I would say that the connections between the series of epic fantasy novels & the narrative of Elden Ring are seemingly vast.

@@dunbass7149 Godfrey is a Baratheon and Stormveil is Storms End.

@@positivecontacts nah Stormveil is Harrenhall for sure

@@christopherlyndsay8611 perhaps it’s a fusion of both- if you believe Godwyn is a dragon, then sure, tha castle is destroyed by a dragon. If you think death root is weirwoods, then sure, the castle is infested with weirwood roots, like Harrenhal. But/and Stormveil is the seat of the storm lord like Storms End and both castles semantically share a name end/veil both suggest a place that acts as protection and shelter from the storm, which comes on from the sea. Harrenhal is in the river lands and is named after the king who commissioned it. Storms End and Stormveil represent man’s overcoming of natural phenomena. Stormveil is the current seat of the golden lineage, Godfrey, Godwyn and Godrick. Their lineage derives from the power of the crucible, married to gold (royal family) and the singular golden tree. In aGoT the house Baratheon are ruled by three patriarchs, the golden stag king, Robert, the dark fire king Stannis and the green king Renly. They are all different expressions of two legendary figures, Durran Durrandon (Godsgrief) the founder of their line and of Storms End and also of the historical archetype of the green man in Robert and Renly from Garth the Green of the reach. The combination of green man figure and crown wearing stag combine in the imagination to form the image of a godly tree between the two. A human that is horned a wreathed in gold is a golden tree man, much the same as we see from the scions of the Golden Bough. As for Stannis he represents the threat of winter and the Holly King vs Renly’s summer and Oak King archetype. Between them we should think of the natural cycle of the changing of the seasons across the three brothers lives; but like Westeros and the Lands between, death, or life has been disrupted and we are stuck in a perpetual Autumn with Winter (death) always coming but unable to arrive and pass and lead to new life. More to this point Godfrey represents the strength of Oaks and the fertility of nature, he is the progenitor of the Golden Order. Godwyn being a dragon represents time, death and the gnawing at the roots of Yggdrasil, Nidhogger the dragon. He also represent the sacrificial sun symbol as part of the turning of the season but the cycle was halted mid progres, in that way he also represents the broken seasons. Godrick represent history, genealogy and family through interbreeding. He is called the runt of the litter by an elitist noble but Godrick best represent the benefit of cross pollination of cultural values and strengths being part numen, part tarnished, part dragon and part crucible/tree. Grafting in wine cultivation is the act of using more hardy and adaptable root stock to support and be adjoined to a better flowering grape vine. In this way both halves make a better whole. That’s one of the core message of the game.

@@dunbass7149 Morgott has a lot of Stannis and Tyrion in him, Mohg is pretty much Euron Greyjoy I would say, in fact he is 90% Euron Greyjoy- starry wisdom, the sacrifice of a brother and blood to awaken a slumbering god, sounds familiar!

Godfrey 1000%

It’s also just on every flag irl

ASOIAF fans when they see a lion on heraldry

The lion here is actually depicting serosh specifically

This is a silly comment, but it is stylistically very similar in direct comparison

@TheStreamThatJakeBui­lt great addition! In pt. 2 I'll discuss some interesting connections between Stormveil (ER) & Storm's End (ASOIAF). Is your name (TheStreamThatJakeBui­lt) in reference to The House that Jack Built by any chance? If so, I just watched a disturbing film called Good Boy that you might enjoy. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/sLd7o9t-kt3Vg58.htmlsi=83bM9AU6M8ejDmvr

Yeah but here it's more selfcest. Miquella and Radahn can't breed so.

@Zepimo123 Cersei/Jamie Lannister do seem to share connections with Marika/Radagon: especially when Cersei states "Jaime and I are more than brother and sister. We are one person in two bodies. We shared a womb together. He came into this world holding my foot, our old maester said. When he is in me, I feel ... whole." While the Radagon Icon talisman states: as the husband of Rennala of Caria, the red-haired Radagon studied sorcery, and as the husband of Queen Marika, he studied incantations. Thus did the hero aspire to be complete.

@annekkipu thank you for taking the time to watch & I'm thrilled you gained new knowledge from the video! The novella, A Song For Lya, contains a beautifully tragic narrative of love & loneliness. Interestingly in GRRM's essay "The Light of Distant Stars", he said A Song for Lya was inspired by the first serious romance he was involved in. I believe the story could be an analogy of a romantic relationship between a theist & an atheist.

@K8theKind thank you for taking the time to watch! Your Two Maidens Talking of Elden Ring video provided me with the connection of the pink coloration on Miquella’s Branch & the Finger Creeper's paralyzing ability. Your insight was extremely valuable!

The depths of his FOOLISHNESS!

@@KNIGHTMAREMANIAC Ratatoskr’s coming round to it- give him time, his audience are telling him.

I think thats due to a lot of the gaming audience not being into books. I have only read GRRM's GoT series and some of his sci-fi stuff like the Antlions, and even then, his influences were obvious. The naming conventions, the sci-fi elements (carian magic/outer gods), how the central drama is all about family struggles, and now with the DLC, the cycle of violence turning well intentioned saints into villains. It has always been obvious, but due to the low exposure to literature, it just flew over most peoples heads.

As far as I know, Rata says that Martin didn't have anything to do with the plot of the game. Which is true. Martin wrote the backstory that Miyazaki used as a lore book. Of course the games plot is inspired by GRRM's work when the mythos is written by him and the creator is a huge fan of his work.

@@MrFRNTIK Rata also says that the lore is incomprehensible, denying its roots is a part of the problem.

@Ontos99 Hey Ontos! I thoroughly enjoyed SotE, I thought it was definitely challenging, but overall a great experience! The lore of Marika's origin added more depth to her actions & Messmer was an excellent addition to the family; in the future I hope to devote a video to him. My favorite new addition was Metyr, as well as Count Ymir. Ymir states "I, too, am a glintstone sorcerer. We study the stars, and examine the life therein. Long ago, we began as stardust, born of a great rupture far across the skies. We, too, are children of the Greater Will. Is that not divine? Is that not sublime? ...and yet, none can fathom its implications, its utter brilliance!" While Hyetta, from the perspective of the Three Fingers, shares "All that there is came from the One Great. Then came fractures, and births, and souls. But the Greater Will made a mistake. Torment, despair, affliction...every sin, every curse. Every one, born of the mistake." The rupture (break/breach) mentioned by Ymir could be the same fracture (break/fragment) mentioned by Hyetta. I found this all to be very interesting. The most challenging boss for me was Commander Gaius, outside of Miquella's consort of course. I liked many of the new incantations & thought the new areas were beautiful (Cerulean Coast, Jagged Peak, even Midra's Manse). I still have much to look into though, as I still am left with many questions. For instance the snake skin shed at Bonny Village. The word bonny, possibly originates from the Old French bon (good), can be defined as: beautiful, healthy, & placid. The term bonny can also refer to a healthy baby, especially within Scottish culture. Could snake skin be in reference to Messmer's origin (abbyssal serpent), or is it linked to Eiglay (possibly related to Rykard's expedition to the Land of Shadows where he met Tanith)? While on the subject of snakes I am also still puzzled about the veiled painting of Rykard in Volcano Manor. Again I have many mysteries still to unravel, but overall I enjoyed the Land of Shadow. I would love to hear your thoughts & experiences with SotE as well, especially in regards to lore.

@@EldenTales About 11 hours ago, I have published an extended lore analysis on Enir Ilim, Hornsent and Marika's complicated yet heart breaking relationship with Radagon around the time Messmer and Gaius were born. Comment below that video and let me know your thoughts on the insights I tried to bring to the table. Overt discussions of the sulfur and mercury, the alchemical god of the rebis is explored. I hope that at the very least you'll find the narrative I have attempted to weave interesting at the very least. Much love

@@formatomi Good point- you could argue for this distinction though- did George intend for the Weirwoods to be just trees, or magic trees that behaved in a similar way to fungus? It’s true that trees can grow in networks, but the networks of tree communicate and share nutrient resources through a web of fungi roots that grow between the roots of trees and soil called the mycorrhizae. In this way the tree and the funghi work in symbiosis to create a hybrid life form that is the whole network joined. GRRM extrapolates on this idea saying what if the trees are vampiric and accept blood sacrifice, what if the funghi can take over living organisms, what if the network could store human memories and thoughts like a net, an interweb? What if a human could tap into this power, what histories and knowledge could be gained by seeing the world through the eyes of a tree and each other tree in the network. What if the trees (which is what we make books from) are a metaphor for the repository of all human knowledge etc… As you correctly said; catacombs were built around greatree roots to feed the ash of cremation and whole bodies back into the Erdtree, so that there corporeal and spiritual selves would blend and be added to the whole. Minor erdtrees are thought to be grown from seeds of the Erdtree which only appeared after the Erdtree faced a threat to its existence that is never specified in game. Living jars are used to collect the dead above ground and fertilise the soil at the bases of minor erdtrees. Golden seeds are the latest wave of seeds shed by the golden Erdtree during what we can assume was the shattering, long after the original Erdtree was gone. The golden seeds remind us that only what can grow from an illusory tree are illusory seed that grow illusory trees. All the minor erdtrees are corporeal and of a diffent generation, hinting as to the original appearance of the Erdtree before it was destroyed, by what I suspect was either Gransax’ Bolt or the Gloam-Eyed Queens vision of flame.

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@darkriversaben9163 fantastic addition! I think you're absolutely right about the Red King & White Queen, especially in regards to their union forming the filius philosophorum (philosophers' child). I believe that this coloration could have influenced Martin's choice to make the weirwoods red & white, albeit purely speculation. Thank you for taking the time to watch!

For there to be no debates about the author, GRRM is written all over this 😂

@@samf.s.7731 his initials are all over the gods and empyreans, i find it super creative

Except the ancient dragons are all four legged.

Was it ASOIAF or ER related?

@Cyynapse interesting addition! I also read that post for my research into dragons found within ASOIAF. To my knowledge within Elden Ring the ancient dragons possess four legs, while their lesser descendants only have two. I wonder if the fact that ancient dragons have four arms connects to their ability to shift their form into human form (ie Lansseax & the Dragon Communion priestess) as the additional limbs would better blend in with typical human appendages (2 arms/2 legs).

@@tkong6465 your so right about the mountaintops of the giants, how do you get to the mountaintops? By crossing a really, really big wall!

@tkong6465 fantastic addition!

@@sclafantasy Ranni and Melina, the song of fire and ice best represent Danaerys and Jon as opposites uniting. Melina is the one who envisions flame and seeks her purpose which becomes to break the wheel (burn the Erdtree, the representation of hereditary rulership and divine sovereignty) and Ranni, the nights-queen figure of ice representing the north, backed by a direwolf protector and already having experienced death and spirit transfer like Jon Snow, and like Jon, wants to secede from the throne and inheritance by retiring into the wild.

Miquella is like Bran Stark, the cripple genius who is the last and youngest seed of the family connected to the old gods, the Erdtree faithful (weirwoods). Miquella travels beyond the wall to a cave of roots built on an ancient empire and travels back through history (a land veiled by time or shadow) to awaken a knowledge of the past that only he can acquire as the tool to help build a new future in the wake of Ragnarok. Will he use this omniscience and omnipotence justly and wisely? Bran/Miquella also have the ability to compel/warg animals and humans. What are the ethical quandaries implied by taking over another. Does it depend on whether the ends justify the means or is taking away another living beings autonomy always an abomination. What if that power was magnified to reach all sentient life, would that be a threat worth fighting against?

@@positivecontacts damn dude you seem to hit miquella story right on the head, i never read ASOIAF and this is exactly how I view miquella. I wonder how you view St.trina .

@sclafantasy I sincerely appreciate you taking the time to watch! I completely understand your thought process; both characters seek a new age that greatly differs from those that have preceded it. Now that we have a conclusion to Miquella’s arc I am excited to see Daenys conclusion in ASOIAF, outside of HBO's adaptation of course. Another interesting connection that you could make between Ranni’s family & the Starks of Winterfell is how they both utilize direwolves. Albeit the amount doesn't match up perfectly (6 red wolves, 5 members of Radagon's Carian family) I felt like Radagon gifting the red wolves to his children mirrored how Ned Stark gives each of his children a direwolf.

@@positivecontacts Love it! Although might be getting ahead of ourselves in the books re: Jon lol (although I agree with your prediction of his arc)

I feel he just made a mistake when he said that.

It's certainly an entry into From Soft's soupsborne franchise. Not a direct sequel though, it's wholly original

Thank you Jack!

@philippei2309 believe me it easily could have been, the connections are seemingly endless the further I delve into the lore of ASOIAF. Thank you for taking the time to watch!

He publicly denied that though.

He could say it wasn't intentional on his part, sure, but saying that the characters don't have his initials is just plain wrong, Godrick, Godfrey, Ranni, Renalla, Radahn, Radagon, Rykard, Marika, Melina, Messmer, etc.

​@@richardrussel4567Facts can't be denied. Godrick, Godwyn, Godfrey, Gaius, etc Ranni, Rennala, Rellana, Rykard, Radahn, Radagon, Romina, etc. Morgott, Mohg, Messmer, Malenia, Maliketh, Marika, Metyr, Mydra, etc.

@samsalah5611 the DLC has altered many of my older theories, especially my thoughts on Radagon & the Carians. Eventually I will condense all of my thoughts into a video, but I am still piecing everything together. An interesting incantation added lore-wise was the Multilayered Ring of Light, an incantation of those who served Miquella; this light-ring incantation was cultivated by a tradition separate from Golden Order fundamentalism. The two related incantations we gain prior are Radagon's Rings of Light & Triple Rings of Light, which tell a story of Miquella & Radagons relationship (the only real connection we see between Radagon & his children). Multilayered Ring of Light is rewarded upon defeating the Spirit Misbegotten Crusader in the Stone Coffin Fissure. Specifically it is the crusader variant, this variant of the Misbegotten is the same as the one that wields the Golden Order Greatsword, which was forged by Radagon. Radagon led the Golden Order crusades into Liurnia. Plus, the Stone Coffin Fissure is located on a peninsula in the southernmost tip of the Cerulean Coast region; while the area most associated with Misbegotten in the Lands Between is the Weeping Peninsula (both peninsulas being associated with the Misbegotten, as well as a scaly variant using the Rusted Anchor for a weapon). The Spirit Misbegotten Crusader is found near a small cave with putrescence. Congealed Putrescence oozes from stone coffins & is what remains of the impure lives kept within the stone coffins. Interestingly the Albinauric Bloodclot states that Albinaurics are lifeforms made by human hands. Thus, many believe them to live impure lives, untouched by the Erdtree's grace. Congealed Putrescence resembles the Silver Tear Husk; the Silver Tear makes mockery of life, reborn again and again into imitation, perhaps, one day, it will be reborn a lord. At the core of a silver tear is a larval tear & the larval tears in the DLC appear differently than those found in the base game. The new form of larval tear we find in the DLC states they're exceptionally rare creatures that burgeons from spiritgraves and lives only a fleeting existence; neither flesh nor spirit, but something in between. The DLC variant is more incorporeal in appearance, just like the shadow men. Radagon also has a shared appearance as his left arm is also a shadow. Radagon is Marika, that we know for sure. Either Marika used a mimic tear to create Radagon, or Radagon existed prior using the power of mimicry himself to become Marika; these are questions I still struggle with, especially with the introduction to St. Trina. Needle Knight Leda states that St. Trina is Miquella's other half, that her love for him is boundless..."or perhaps her feelings go beyond even that." To me this reflects Radagon & Marika's relationship as he became her second lord consort & they even procreate by copulation. The Spirit Misbegotten Crusader is located in the Stone Coffin Fissure which is also where Miquella discarded St. Trina. Radagon & St. Trina share many connections as they are both the other halves of Marika & Miquella respectively. Not to mention the association with flowers, Miquella & St. Trina have lilies, while Radagon has the bloodrose (Radagon's Icon). Speaking of flowers the Shadow Sunflower are veiled in shadow and covered in impenetrable thorns, being suffused with profound holiness-much akin to Radagon. Radagon's Icon features mimicked bloodrose that are white displaying their artificial nature (personal speculation) & the roses lack thorns. Plus their is also the fact that Radagon is deeply associated with the crucible, as you mentioned both Messmer & Melina being seemingly the children of Radagon. Messmer & Melina both are associated with fire, just as many of Radagon's children are (Rykard & Radahn). Radagon has ties to Fire Giants (Giant's Red Braid). Miriel uses terms like "skeleton" & "giant stature" when speaking about Radagon's statue. Fire Giants & Astrologers were once neighbors on the Northern Mountaintops. Rennala is possibly a descendant of the Astrologers & joins Radagon in union at the Church of Vows. With all of my current research into GRRM it all reminds me of the title A Song of Ice (Astrologers) and Fire (Giant). I am still in the discovery process though, still many unsolved questions.

@@EldenTales excellent thoughts/theory as always what puzzles me is the timeframe on the birth of Messmer/Melina if they are the oldest which I believe them to be I wonder if they were born when the current now known land of shadow was once part of the lands between and they grew up during the start of marikas godhood and the start of the golden order then later on in his life marika sent Messmer to purge the land and locked away/sealed the shadow land from the lands between causing the giant land mass to be empty in the middle of the map do u think this was way later during the golden order reign post or pre Godfrey era, it says in a item or remembrance I think it was commander gaus that messmer and gaus were like older brothers to the lion and the lion obviously symbolising radahn even though radahn and messmer r biological half siblings

@grantbarnes3678 almost finished with part two; thank you for taking the time to watch!

@armandaneshjoo I sincerely appreciate you taking the time to watch! In part 3, the final part of the GRRM's influence series, I speak on Malenia's connections to Arya Stark & the water dance.

I don’t see the Joffrey parallel apart from him having blonde hair. I think he’s far more like Rhaegar narratively.

Might be another iteration of the Golden Boy. He has a character that goes by this name in Starlady

@@allthe1 I agree to an extent, but we see historical note of Godwyn being more active in a variety of roles and events that suggest he was more of a warrior figure with the allure of a god- golden boy is so passive and the object of compulsive attraction, Miquella rings more true for Golden Boy as he is a minor, effete and literally compels people. But Miquella is also a bit of a Bran Stark to Radahn’s Hodor situation, yeah I said it- Miquella reanimating Radahn at the gate of divinity is a Hodor “hold the door” moment at the cave of weirwoods, where Bran was close to ascending to “godhood”. Maybe the tarnished are the white walkers back from the dead….? Too much tinfoil? Godwyn as Joffrey just doesn’t ring true. Godwyn as the prince who was promised and friend to dragons shares the most in common with Rhaegar. If an eclipse is the sun and moon mating, Targaryens are often considered as black-suns, then Rhaegar and Lyanna could be symbolically seen as an eclipse of the sun by the moon- similarly, Godwyn the Golden (sun) and Ranni, the lunar (moon) Princess, were in eclipse metaphorically when Ranni performed the night of the Black Knives, but instead of making new life, they made new death.

@@positivecontacts I agree, Rhaegar fits Godwyn way more, and Miquella is a better Golden Boy, seducing his ennemies telepathically.

Yeah he has no feet anymore you idiot, of course he can't walk. Also Godwyn is quite clearly a The Prince That Was Promised archetype.

I prefer listening to someone with the things you're describing as bothersome because he actually knows what he's talking about as opposed to listening to someone else who may fit your standard of what a lore tuber shoulk sound like, but has no clue as to what's what and is throwing stuff at the wall, hoping some would stick. Because that's unfortunately a lot of people.

@Brokentwobutton my apologies for the audio; in my next video I will try recording without the music in the background so it is less distracting. I do sincerely appreciate your advice & will try to use it to improve the quality for part two.

I’m very curious what you think that means

No. It's really no coincidence. There's no such thing as *that many* coincidences

Almost as though he had a hand in it! Almost ... 😂 Seriously though, I love his contribution to this, it shines more than any other game ever because it's the Martin-Miyazaki love child.