Do you think the movie did this story justice?

We need to include more of these stories in our American History education. I'm 60 and have never heard of the Osage.

There is another story that is missing from the movie. My Great Grandfather William W Vaughan was helping the Osage gather evidence of the murders. He was working with a man named Big Heart. There is a cameo appearance of Big Heart in the movie. My Great Grandfather was murdered on a train he was taking from Oklahoma city with the evidence. he had gathered after he went to Big Hearts deathbed. (Poisoned) This left his wife with 10 children. His business partner stole the evidence and all the money he had left for her. The Osage raised my grandfather and his brothers and fed the family, after his murder.

The book starts off with the murder of Ana. Also the entire back history of Tom White and his significance to the story is missing. Not to mention the entire history of the FBI and every dealing with J. Edgar Hoover. But I see from a cinematic perspective, focusing more of the love story between Ernest and Mollie would make more sense. The book is full of detail and backstory that would be hard to fully translate for a film adaptation, even if the movie is over 3 hours LONG!!! But I found both to be good in their own way. Both however pay homage and respects to the Osage and the terrible horrors that were inflicted upon them.

In the scene were the assassin puts the gun the woman's hand, my first thought was that his fingerprints were still on the gun. But, the FBI just starting up, fingerprinting was not a thing yet.

Film was amazing. The 3.5 hours literally flew by. It was not boring at all. GO see it!

People really seem to forget that it’s not a documentary but an adaptation of a story…

Just watched the movie and it was eye opening. Truly monstrous acts that were done to them. I have to say DeNiron and Dicaprio earned Oscar noms. Now Lily Gladstone on the other hand, if she does not get an Oscar nomination it will be an absolute travesty. She was absolutely breathtaking. I don't think I've ever felt so bad for a person the way I felt bad for Mollie Kyle. The way I rooted for Hale and Ernest to get caught.

Holy s**t, that was insane. And at the same time of the Tulsa massacre. The bigger concern was: if the blacks and native Americans started working together, the status quo would flip.

The film really didn't leave much out at all. I was familiar with the story before seeing it and was impressed with how much of it they covered

I would say that the one complaint I had with the movie was it glossed over the part these major corporations played in swindling the Osage out of their mineral rights and fortunes. There is a documentary in the works that Leo and his father are producing that is supposed to explore this further and also look at what happened to the Osage after the time period of the murders.

It's so damn horrible wat they went thru, it's their land and they got prosecuted for them. It's absolutely disgusting n horrible wat they endured

Considering the popularity of this video alone, I think the film has brought respectable attention to the history.

That crap still goes on today.

Lily Gladstone should get an Oscar for her role.

The movie can t be a documentary. If it stays true along the big lines and has made you curious enough about the story, it has reached its purpose.

It was a great movie that shared this untold story for many to include me. A movie will never cover all aspects of what happened but we must appreciate the effort here to do so.

Thanks for this video. I knew that something was missing in the film n this video exposed it very well . Real history cannot be ignored because it's the heart of both the book n film !!!

Now an Indigenous Director needs to follow-up with an Origin movie... By taking the story back further and tell it from the Osage perspective, their voices,their story...this needs to be told..showing their strengths and courage during this time... The Legacy: Then there needs to be another movie that takes the story from the 1930s to present day,incorporating the challenges the families and the Osage faced to move into the future...The Legacy,their strength to survive and thrive...

The book contained a lot more information about the brutal murders that took place. Scorsese has never shied away from violence in his films but wow, some of the book is like wow… heartbreaking. Sometimes I wish maybe Apple had made this into a ten episode limited series instead of the film but still love the film - hope lots of people see this important work, and take it upon themselves to learn more about Indigenous peoples went through.

This wasn’t the first book…another one was written in the early 1990’s called “Deaths of Sybil Bolton”. That book was written by the subject’s son or grandson as I recall.

In my personal opinion the real flaw was focusing so much on the villains and not the Osage. I personally didn’t feel the weight of the tragedy as much as I should. I already knew the story going into the film but the film wasn’t emotional enough to me. Choosing not to Focus on the Osage and how they felt during that time misses a huge opportunity to convey real emotion. The film was missing that element. The fall out of Molly and her husband was also glossed over and short because she was sick and he went to prison and there was not much in between that and the trial. So while I did like the film for what it was it was lacking in that department.

Scorsese worked with the Osage to make this film he didn't just rely on the book.

According to the book, Killers Of The Flower Moon.

Scorsese has made documentarys such as "lighting in a bottle"...but this film is no documentary it's based on a time & place with some romance to boot and the brilliance & art of a Scorsese film

I grew up near Osage Co and sure dont remember this being mentioned in Oklahoma History class. Then again, I didn't pay a lot of attention in class so....

They should've mentioned the Tulsa Massacre (1921) happened around the same time to give some context to the mentality of the _people_ of Oklahoma.

Still happening to this day. On that note: Free Leonard Peltier!

None of us were there.

Movies are storytelling. Not news broadcasts. . Scorsese didn't make a documentary, he's telling a story, the primary goal of a feature filmmaker. This video harps on real life details that are not relevant to the story being told and were they to be included in the film, would simply muddy up the story the filmmakers are telling. This video doesn't seem to understand the difference.

Fantastic film.

Job well done. The actors did great worl

Movie is definitely worth a watch, but I wish it was told from Mollie’s eyes instead of Ernest’s.

Scorsese wanted to tell Mollie and Earnest's complicated story and not a story about the FBI coming to the rescue that has been done

The question I would like answered is why did the Osage women marry white men? Prior to discovery of oil on their land most white men wanted to either kill Natives, or stick them on the Rez, they sure were not marrying them. Once the oil was discovered though all these white guys start showing up and wanting to get with Osage women. Even the tribal elder pretty much points this out about 2/3 through the movie but the question is never answered.

"Ernest Burkhart is the anti-hero of the story" If you believe this even slightly you don't understand this story whatsoever EDIT: Because this seems to be a confusing comment, I'm saying he's the villain. Nothing "heroic" about him, even in an anti-sense

A story that needed to be told

Read the book and you will get the background to the movie, which is essential to understand that it was the entire society feeding off the Osage's wealth. It went to the very top.

What was the name of the book again?

In fact, William J. Burns was the first director of the Bureau of Investigation (later FBI) from 1921 to 1924. He was succeeded by J. Edgar Hoover.

It's a movie, not a documentary. It would have been difficult to include historical aspects of the book in a dramatic film without unnecessary exposition since all that info is stuff the characters already know, and have no need to ever voice to another character in the film.

Lily Gladstone is stupendous! She absolutely deserves the Oscar!

The idea of a whole town full of greedy murderers does not surprise me. The actual history of "Black Wall Street" being wiped out for similar reasons comes to my mind. Seems to be a trend in this country's history.

I will be the first to see this when it's released on digital. There is no way I can sit in a theatre for over 4 hours (with previews).

After watching dicaprio play so many different roles you can see a lot of the mannerisms of his older characters in ernest. You see a little bit of ernie grape. Theres other characters too. Too many to name.

Molly looked absolutely nothing like the real Molly. We can start with that.

Please read A Pipe for February by Charles Red Corn. This book captures the Pipe scene.

Perhaps we need film bio of Tom White. According to the book, he led a really interesting life. Perhaps a dramatization similar to what is being done for Bass Reeves.

Only difference between real story and the movie is that the actual story is only 30 mins longer.

good film

IT'S NOT A DOCUMENTARY, FOLKS. IT'S BASED ON HISTORICAL NARRATIVE. YOU WANT A DOCUMENTARY, RAISE THE FUNDS AND MAKE ONE.

Well done presentation in contrasting the book by David Grann and what was true in the movie and what was not. Too bad the movie did not give Tom White and his team more of a story line, and instead inserted some false narratives such as the Masonic scene. Also, too bad that younger actors were not used in the movie. What is admirable is that Martin Scorsese did involve the Osage to be involved in telling their story.

What is Lily Gladstone’s indigenous status in the Blackfeet tribe? Or in any federally recognized tribe?

The whole point of the movie is to not bring in the white savior trope and valorize FBI like you literally told in your video. Nobody cared about Osage murders until the white men started getting murdered as well. Portraying Leo as Tom White would've made him the hero and not let us sympathize with the injustice that has happened. You forgot to mention how many Osage murders(close to 30) were never solved. Also, most of the accused never fully served their life sentence and how originally these crimes are punishable by execution while Hale conveniently got released much earlier with his "life sentence".

in real live mollie was 6 years older than ernest. di carpio is 12 years older than gladstone. gladstone is mollie's age, di caprio is too old to play ernest. ernest was in his mid 20's when he married mollie , di caprio is almost 50 years old.

It would have made it a mini series

Where is my Blu-ray?

I fell asleep but I did not know how evil these men were to the natives there

The film is a masterpiece! Obviously, all details cannot be covered in a movie. The book inspired the movie, we can be thankful that the movie was produced, rather than bypassed by lesser film makers.

Never heard of it

this happend right before the tulsa riots i think like a year

Is this movie good like other Martin Scorcese movies?

Morrison.. hmmm.

The background music in this video really needs to chill, I actually can’t finish it it’s too distracting

That’s Mollie not Anna 8:15

We should also mention they let a 50yr old actor play the roll of a 19 yr old child. Wonder if theres ever been an example of a female actor getting that privilege. I hear most woman actors in their 40s have to start writing or producing their own projects to be allowed to still act as an older woman in Hollywood and get jobs even if its only ones made for themselves. Meanwhile Leo is getting 19yr olds roles. And some people still pretend to not understand the patriarchy because they one time saw a woman get a free drink at a bar.

I know Scorcese likes to work with DiCaprio abd DeNiro but they were too old to portray the real people. I read the book and I thought White was an interesting person and would like to see a story just about him.

This is full of inaccuracies as well.

There is a shorter documentary out there.

He said he reworked the script to be less about white characters and focus more on the Osage characters… by telling it from a white character’s point of view and casting Leonardo DiCaprio and Robert De Niro, 2 of the most famous white actors in history, in the lead roles and telling it from their perspective, effectively spoiling the twist. Okay 👌

Osage Nation not Osage Country.

These victims was prisoners forced to stay on this reservation? Not one letf alive

The book is better than the movie but they usually are.

Ok you dont have to say the tittle 1000 times We got it

Native women are so beautiful....I would have been proudly a "squaw man".....I am proud that many of the founding families of the state of Montana were white men married to native women. Of course there were atrocities here like everywhere against native A s, but they got in some victories here too

I rather a movie about Tom White, cracking the case. Not the Villains. But DiCaprio, gonna DiCaprio.

KOTFM was good. But it was definitely not what I was expecting kinda disappointed in that regard. But it was a grounded old west crime story. It’s nice that Hollywood is starting to acknowledge that the 1920s west still had some wild left in it. But they acknowledged it in a way that wasn’t as glamorized or dramatic like how most other western stories are.

I read the book first, then saw movie. Prefer book

It's not the Osage "concept of heaven". It's the Osage concept of an afterlife. "Heaven" is not a standard, nor an original. They did not base their idea of an afterlife on christianity.

Osage Osage Osage ❤

the music ruined this otherwise good video for me ...

I was excited to see this movie .I had read the book.the movie was not good..the book was much better. I feel they could have done a much better job and feel they did not want to put the effort or money into doing the book justice . sorry it was a flop

No. The Osage brought their land from the Cherokee.

Flower of the moon killers.

Go see this film! It is phenomenal!

If it differs why watch it?

Not at all

If u saw Fairfax now its a fucking shit hole 😂 I grow up in kaw city

Accurate according to who?

I’ve only seen a couple scenes and I’m very disappointed. Doesn’t resemble the time and troubles at the time. Also the relations are stale and weak.

As usual, Hollywood doesn’t let the facts get in the way of a good story. What is a bit dangerous is that all too many people take these “movies based on a true story”, as factual.

I saw the movie "Killers of the Flower Moon" and I don't understand why the Osage people never seen this coming from the time of the invaders of Colonial Europeans took the land away and broke over 400 peace treaty, you would think that they learn their lesson. While this horrendous crime was being committed upon the Osage nation and their families and close "white friends" who was willing to help them, in the 1920s so was Tulsa Okaloma "Black Wall Street" in 1921 where so call African Americans was bombed because they were thriving and had their own businessess and banks, stores, cinema, schools, doctors and nurses, pharmacy etc and they never married outside their own people nor let any whiteman in. But lies and jealously is what brought the bombing and riots of the whiteman in because they never had the success of what the black wall street or Osage nation had.

I can't stand Hollywood and especially DiCaprio and De Niro.

What's truly awful about this story is that all the oil in the USA actually belongs to the Traditional Owners of the land. There is an intelligent movie to be made in English about Killers Of The Flower Moon, and the Native culture, and this isn't it. Never let the British or white American society cover American history or western world history. The USA needs to stop moving movies about Greece and the Western World. The white Americans are awful in making history movies.

[**SPOILER ALERT**] I really didn't like the film. It's masterfully made, it's a Scorsese flick alright, but I don't think Di Caprio has the depth and range to pull off that character convincingly. I just didn't buy him at all; it looked like he was focused the entire time on remembering to hold that stupid (and very fake) frown as he delivered his lines. The character as written is also such a total cretin that his supposed love for his wife just seems like clumsy writing (he loves her as he's poisoning her and helping murder her relatives? What the actual fuck?). And some of those scenes between him and De Niro really play out like comedy sketches.

FOR SO MANY REAL LIFE STORIES I'D RATHER SEE A DOCUMENTARY NOT A SCREENWRITERS DISTORTION.

This is great info. I was thinking of seeing this movie, but now I won't. It's unfair, unclear and unfounded; as usual for the "typical American government". It's time we looked at what we did to them, I'm sorry.

In real life, Ernest was much better looking than Molly was. If you look at pictures of them you can tell right away that he must have not been attracted to her in reality. He may have felt some guilt about destroying a woman who was only good to him, but I highly doubt that he was in love with her at all. Likewise, the reason for why she was in denial about his involvement in the murders was probably because she felt like he was such a catch and she didnt want to lose having a white husband that was so out of her league.

first fukkazz

TERRIBLE MOVIE!!