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I’ve got a 981 GT4 with DeMan 4.5. It was a step up from a 991.1 911S with some mods. The difference in handling from the rear engine to the mid engine chassis was mind blowing. As you noticed, it is so user friendly, not as tricky as needed to manage the 911 rear end. The 911 has a lot of understeer on corner exit compared to the GT4, a point I didn’t hear. Maybe the GT3 isn’t similar to the 911S in that measure. I have also upgraded the dampers (Bilstein Clubsport), gearing, LSD, exhaust, tires (slicks), brake pads, and more. I am not the fastest on the straights in my advanced HPDE group, but can carry more speed deeper into the corners and close the gaps. My dreams are whether a GT3RS would be worth doubling the investment. So far, sanity has held me in check on that. One guy in my group with a highly modded Cayman 4.0 has added a bigger wing and a big front splitter, and now corners quicker, leading to faster lap times. That’s been interesting to see.

Fantastic job guys, thank you! I watched every second of it, and will re-watch!

The episode we've been waiting for. Good work!

Solid video guys! Appreciate you putting this together.

Was waiting for this one! Great video.

Great content! Great video, guys!

Fantastic reviews. You deserve 100x the views and subs.

Excellent video and comparison! 👌🏻

Very good analysis each delivers something unique and specific to what your asking for. In my case of less track more canyon my GTS 4.0 is perfectly suited where I can overwhelm the chassis and grip limits compared to those cars with so much aero and rubber.

Just astonishing comparison. Great job guys. On 🔥 KZfaq Channel. 👍

great video! glad it's getting a lot of views

Awesome vid, fellas. You guys made some very insightful points that make alot of sense. Its a win-win-win situation whichever of the 3 you choose! If someone put a gun to my head, I'd take the 4RS.

Great video Amazing cars 👀

Great video guys! Adding the GT3RS to the comparison would be awesome.

Completely disagree about your comments concerning the 992 GT3. It is without a doubt the absolute easiest car I have ever driven at the track to lay down quick times, almost too easy. So easy that it has taken some of the fun out it. Compared to my prior GT3s and RSs it’s so amazingly stable in the turns thanks to the grip provided by the front suspension. The front grip is improved for sure but it’s the stability provided in the turns which is the biggest improvement in my opinion. My GT4 RS arrives this summer, eager to compare them at track. I wonder if tires were an issue on the GT3 you were driving? Good video

Nice overview! Glad you found a somewhat dry day at Thill to compare the cars.

I would be more than happy to own a Gt4. The rest would be a great bonus. Nice episode guys. Looks like a fun circuit. Greetings from Belgium.

Great video!!!

Awesome vid. My parents lives very near Thunderhill, so I’ve watch this track evolve from its inception to what it is today. I’ve actual had the opportunity to sport drive this track a few times with Hooked On Driving club in my 06 Mini JCW. So fun, but of course nothing like hitting that tarmac in one of these fine machines featured here. 👍

Great video guys!!! The answer i knew i wanted from the right level of skilled drivers … GT4 still my dream car (w/ shorter gears)

Wow epic commentary thank you

good stuff guys!!

you guys are killing it. 4 months and already 1.3k subscribers. with the planning and quality of videos, it makes sense. kudos. ....but i think i need to add a porsche to my lineup to give my amateur videos at least a bit of auto-appeal 😅. keep killing it! subscribed.

Great work with this video. Your honest no hype presentation is really appreciated. The one thing that I'd like to see the most is to use the same tires on all the compared cars. It's a hard ask but I think pretty much anyone that's gone to the track and does quick lap times knows you really can't objectively compare cars with different tires especially as different as the tires on these 3 cars. You can have an entertaining video with subjective opinions but not a useful, objective comparison.

that track looks AMAZING !

Great content guys. Got a sub from me. Keep it up.

nice work

This channel has the potential to be at top now! Next thing is bringing supercars to the mix’s

Such a great analysis. Got my GT4 RS on Friday and I’m always wondering of the GT3 would have been the better choice - but: I have always been a fan of mid engined layouts and the additional drama the car creates through the direct integration of the engine into the cabin. Let’s see - close race 😀

The GT4 RS is just so fucking cool lol GT3 is faster but damn the air intakes and all that is just awesome

Great job! Now y'all need to get a ZL1/1LE (Manual at that) in your hands!

Yessss! Been waiting on this one! What trailer are you using for your GT4rs?

GT4 is such a fun car, as a novice tracky I loved my 2016 Manual GT4, had enough get up and GO and the cornering was superb. Catch Turbos on the corners then lose them on straight was still fun. I have a GT4 RS arriving this week (which I ordered in Nov 2021) so really look forward to hearing the symphony... Its like waiting for deliver of you music CD by mail order in the years gone by :-)

How do u not have more subs??? I just hit that button!!

I have the OMP Tow Straps but mine don't sit flush/level like the 2 in this video! I must have gotten duds? Or there's a trick to it?

Thats it...the "moment" comment is so SPOT-ON.

I think you need a PDK GT3 to compare to the GT4RS. I have one if you want to let me spin some laps in the GT4 RS. :)

Excellent video! A very special comparison would be the new 718 GT4 RS vs the DeMan 718 GT4, with it’s 565hp, 4.5L engine! That’s the best GT4 Porsche can release on the streets against the best modified 718 GT4. 🤩

The one thing you run into with a normal 718 GT4 would be straight line speed. You really start to miss it especially when you're chasing a GT3. Great video!

Enjoyed your video. Great job. What is the story on the 300 thread wear tires on the GT4RS, also what is the color of this car?

Well done lads! Really enjoyed that and the way that you put it together. You have now convinced me not to buy a 4RS, thanks. Basically as you stated "anyone can drive this to it's potential". It sounds easy and digital. Car are so vanilla these days being digital, the analog 911s were a challenge at all the times, and so much fun! I had a 4, and found the limits all the time, had a blast but it lacked something..... Had 3 GT3's and now a 992GT3 manual. I have not found the limit yet, it is a challenge, maybe that is what makes it so Fn good!

"The car [GT4RS] is so balanced, that when you slide it doesn't matter..." Bingo. Exactly what I was describing after this afternoons GT4 RS run on some slightly sandy mountain twisties....

Very cool video. I am running the MCS 2-ways on my 718 GT4 and it really transforms the car (especially away from the track where the surfaces are not smooth) That is where you will find the most benefits of an MCS equipped car over stock. Tracks are mostly too smooth to exploit the weaknesses of the stock PASM and strut rear. I run 175 canister pressures and 9/9 for compression / rebound and that is a sweet combo for the street. Another benefit on the GT4 is going to a stiffer sidewall tire, as it gets rid of the lateral movements in the corners from the soft sidewall Cup 2's

Ex 911 owner, now mid engined Ferrari owner. You have to drive a 911 neatly to get the most out of it. The weight is at the back and over the driven wheels, which means you want to maximise that for lap times. Messing with the balance (as one might try with a mid-engined car) is not ideal in a 911. Drive a 911 neatly and fairly conventionally (that is, breaking early and the managing the throttle through the apex) will give you the most satisfying result - just as satisfying as trail braking in a Cayman.

Awesome been waiting for the video also. I cant believe you guys rented the track!! If your going to rent Big Willow or Streets let me know please! My favorite part was when your comparing the GT4 and call it special because of the mod noises like the aftermarket racing suspension,. I call mine race car noises in my modded Cayman. What was the long story about the Bridgestone's? I am most likely going to switch to the Bridgestone Potenza RE 71RS but I believe 200 tread wear in the 18's . My shop is telling me those are the best for the Cayman since the Goodyear supercar 3r's are not available anywhere in the country. I think those Goodyear's were on the GT3 but 20's? Do you know where he gets his Goodyear 3r's love mine!

Dang. Would love to see with dry weather. All same tires, same transmission, and invite a GT3RS and 911 GTS to the party.

Hey, it's Thunderhill, my home track!

I think I just recently purchased that exact gt3. 😂 I noticed the small decal on the driver 1/4 glass which it still has.

Sounds like the mid engine configuration and balance was really noticable to them.

How much does Thunderhill cost for A DAY. Access to slip pad too?

Curious if you would have found the GT3 more manageable with the PDK?

Great production quality; but it's a shame that there were no lap times that I could find in the video. I'm not sure how we can describe these cars as competitive or not competitive with one another without any lap times to compare. Unless I missed that info somewhere?

The gt4 running mcs and the Club sport brake kit is not a fair comparison. That is a massive improvement over the factory setup. Suspension alone is a $10k upgrade. Brakes are another $16k.

Good cars

Adjust the gt3s bars and play with tire pressures and it would be extremely easy to drive. Cars are just a few simple setup changes away from behaving completely differently.

As a novice I was looking for a gt4 for a track car before the covid price craziness. I still want one, but the gt4 rs I love. When I got quotes when I found out they were coming out the quotes for a slot were 50k more than a 992 gt3 order slot, which was already crazy. If I could get one at msrp I would find a way to order one. Even now a used one is 50-75k more than a gt3. Is the gt4rs justifiably worth that much more in cost? I don't know. Maybe I need to go to PECLA and do a comparison day

Thunderhill 5mi is my favorite track here in NorCal. Unfortunate that track day groups tend to stick to the 3mi config

What alignment is the track gt4 setup with?

what did you say at 5m 57s?

800 subs with this kind of content...?

Would be fun to compare to my Spyder at some point

What's up w the potenzas? Why are they on it?

I love how automotive media is raving about Porsche finally utilizing double wishbone suspensions. Meanwhile, Ferraris and Corvettes have been using TCA's for over 25 years.

Hilarious calling the modified GT4 a kit car. True, though. I had to immediately put a bunch of money into the suspension, aero and exhaust upgrades on my 2023 GT4. Handling is excellent now, but I still don't have the power of an RS. No way to fix that without an engine swap, which isn't happening anytime soon, if ever. I really wanted an RS, but allocations were way too expensive when I was looking for one back in 2022 ($150K ADM on top of the $183K MSRP I had spec'd on the factory website). Not buying the RS meant that I had enough money left over after buying the GT4 spec'd with everything I wanted to modify the GT4, buy and modify a 2009 BMW M3 E92, buy and upgrade a 1970 Lotus Europa S2, keep my 2014 981 S as a spare car for my kids to drive when they are home, and book two 3-week Mediterranean/European cruises on Viking for my wife and me. Could have bought the RS if I hadn't booked two extended cruises on Viking and bought and modified all these cars, but then again, I have a nice selection of cars to drive and a happy wife. And as we know, a happy wife = a happy life. Besides, I need to keep some money in reserve to buy a Morgan Plus 8 in a couple of years....

Stay hydraded, dudes.

Guy with the glasses is STONED

I feel bad for gt3 it could do so much more with just better tires. I think if you could get your hand on a gt3 with proper Cup tires you could match or probably outmatch the gt4rs

I’m a bit disappointed by the fact you didn’t race them on the track, even alone on the track to compare the times. But it must be hard to regroup the three of them, I imagine. Hope you will do a next time. I wish you fun

I guess if the GT3 was pdk it might have made a difference too. Honestly I have a 991.1 GT3 (see my vids) which I've owned for 5 years in September. It's utterly astounding! But a GT4RS pending (available in June). I need to get rid of the GT3 to get the RS (wife , money, room) which is making me the most conflicted person ever. IMO the GT3 in 997, 991 & 992 iteration looks better but that sound of the RS is preposterous! Anyway back to be being conflicted. 🙄

Missing Porsche 992 GT3 Rs 😂

I love that both cars that could be manual ARE manual.

Why not share the lap times as anecdotal feedback is great but its merely subjective

What, no lap times?!

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there was no race

does 4rs understeer?

So which one do I buy ? Lol

The GT3 is the better car through corners, more stabile and traction. Owned a GT4 and GT3.

Something feels disjointed about the in car video and the outside. It looks so slow on the out of car shots. Is that just b roll?

i dont care who wins, if money was not an issue it would be the GT3 for me, no brainer.

Starting to burn the tires looks nice but it is stupid.

In 10 years the GT4 RS will command 4 times the price of the others. If you can get one today, you are lucky.

Which one is more overpriced?

GT2 ???

Porsche really hamstrings their superior mid-mounted platform because Porsche law. Imagine if a GT4RS got the rear-steer/double wishbone treatment like the GT3. GT3s are over-engineered to perform better than the under-engineered GT4RS.

Where’s the GT3 RS

Love both, but I have dogs, so I'm restricted to a non Gt 911. The struggle is real. That being said, I'm over the moon in love with my Macan. Just a warning, if you buy a Porsche, people will be jealous...fuk em tho, they're great cars.

The best one is the GT3 RS, which you didn't test. 🙂

:( No GT2 :(

need more convo

gt4 poor mans porsche 911

Lap times or it didn't happen

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GT3 looks better. That’s all that matters

Most average guys can’t buy an RS

17:20 GT4RS yeah but….. $350k 😅😅😅 overpricedddddd 😢😮😮

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I would rather drive an Emira, it’s much prettier.

Exciting cars, boring video 😢