probably why it was removed, or he would flee there instead of Bohan

I imagine that if they had stuck to the original concept then the story more than likely would've been completely different and it would probably still be set within the 3D universe, as the graphics would've been no better than San Andreas if they had indeed gone down that path.

Here's how I see it Niko would still start in Bohan but after Dimitri runs him out of the city and Niko relocates to Upstate, it would kinda be like when Michael and Trevor have to live in Sandy Shores In Ballad of Gay Tony I'm sure Connecticut would be great for the kinda socialites Gay Tony hangs out with, Long Island could work for this too

The IAA and FIB would've probably been the main focus, I'd imagine they'd have Niko moving from place to place doing jobs for them.

Maybe he would have thrown Vlad over Niagara Falls?

I hope next setting is at vice city tbh

Heavily hope they go back to the best GTA location - L.C.

At that point, I only feel like "Well why not include Boston and Massachusetts if you have Connecticut? Why not have Toronto if you have Niagara Falls and Buffalo?" It just keeps getting bigger in my mind and there needs to be a limit. But honestly, a GTA game set along either the US-Canada or US-Mexico border would be very cool. Lots of opportunity for drug smuggling missions where you need to be sneaky.

@@Arkiasis A Mexican GTA in a city like San Diego would be great

I want them to do las Venturas

Noticed this as well.

New Jersey and Alderney Isle also.

Well yeah because Brighton Beach in real life is named after Brighton from the UK

Or how the Lincoln Tunnel (named for Abe Lincoln) is the Booth Tunnel in GTA, named for his murderer, John Wilkes Booth.

It helps that Rockstar was based more in the UK back then.

I agree. It’s sad that the peak of the series in terms of ambition was a GTA game from 2004.

Yeah... as awesome as GTA IV is, it could’ve been their magnum opus.

Yep, like GTA V is a bigger map, but it doesn't *feel* bigger. GTA SA has more stuff in it, 3 distinct cities, half a dozen towns, desert with Area 51, woods where people sent countless hours looking Bigfoot. I remember the first time in SA getting to the countryside and it really did feel like I was in the middle of nowhere. GTA V is honestly a lot of wasted space. The mountains take up like 1/3 of the map. Area with no roads and nothing to do, might as well be a background. Only Mount Chilliad has something at the top, but most people spent far more time on San Andreas' Mount Chilliad than GTA 5's. And the fact so many missions take you around the map, it becomes a chore and there's really not much out of LS. I remember people hated the mission in San Andreas where you drive out to Angel Pine with Cesar to take pictures as being so far of a drive. But now in GTA V you have your apartment in LS and your heist setup mission makes you drive to Palleto Bay and back like nothing.

@@Arkiasis Exactly! San Andreas was big, though they played smart with making it look bigger, by having far-off countrysides for the player to explore. GTA V didn't work that way, didn't give player those frequent "opportunities" in form of missions. It's no surprise GTA SA is still loved.

@@Ebalosus lies San Andreas was waaay more quantity over quality , so many half baked ideas

I've been waiting to see this concept ever since they first mentioned it! So has a friend of mine who's super interested in the game's development history, I just got off the phone with him and we spent like an hour talking about it. I'm really glad I could cover this!

Big fan

Me too!

Gypsy why no more complain videos we i liked them

@@BadgerGoodger I really like your golden voice!! thanks 🙏🏼

Lols

@@Aristotel-rq4jh wutಠ_ಠ

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Somehow i can see Perry the Platypus fitting into United Liberty Paper's role just fine

@@xPsykho Don’t forget the boat Niko arrived on is called the Platypus

rdr2 map isnt as big as gta v or gta san andreas. But it is highly detailed and the horse riding makes the map much bigger.

@@jagath3028 the map is definently bigger than gta v

@@superw4r806 nope

@@BigPPwhofckedyourmomWoW RDR2's entire map is actually larger than GTA 5. Arthur cannot explore a huge chunk of it, but as John, you can actually go from end to end and its actually a lot larger.

@@deutschvanderlinde6900 thats a good game even i play it, u feel it big cuz horses are slow thats why

The graphics would have been 10x worse

10 FPS!!!

@@topsdaily_productions the graphics is already bad. So yeah

Imagine the optimization of that, they would make the graphics akin (not like) to San Andreas just to make it run.

I'm glad they didn't. Having lots of bridges leading to smaller areas constricts the maps. I'd rather they just make one large town

They do have a nice shopping area and minor league baseball stadium just next to the ferry terminal in real life. If they don't include a Yankee-based stadium in the next game set in LC, that one could be a decent stopgap.

Shooting eh? I think they meant Shooting Rockets not bullets.

*proceeds to do this very idea a few years later and get millions off of it* They love the green.

That'd be pretty dope, but hopefully with a less truncated and more eastward-facing Long Island lol. And I'd like Staten Island too, if only just for the Verrazzano Bridge. Though honestly what I really dream of is a slightly more true to life Liberty City that's the size of GTA V's map, along with a portion of Alderney, with all the bridges, tunnels, ferries, a larger and more complex subway/mass transit system, etc. Basically I wanna see a much larger, more realistic re-imagining of GTA IV's map. I'd certainly prefer it over Vice City for the next game, because for as much as I'd love to see it finally get an HD makeover, I think it would actually feel a bit too similar to what we've currently got with Los Santos (palm trees, constant summery weather, etc.). A newer, larger LC with in-game seasons that change over time would be perfect imho, though I know it's extremely unlikely.

@@LanceVanceDance84 Any GTA map without a countryside area feels boring.

@TenAte108 Sorry?

There's not gonna be another GTA, except DLCs and updates for GTA Online, you can thank to Take Two Interactive.

@@PEN1killer There will be, but after 3-5 years. People’s interest in GTA Online won’t be eternal

Yeah. I remember Top10Memes. He's now into documentary style videos but I kinda do missed his Top 10s based on pop cultures and interesting stuff. As what he said, Liberty City was supposed to be called Liberty State and it originally featured a countryside where mountains and forests surrounded the area similar to GTA 5.

NO WAY! a fellow Lemmino fan

Hopefully GTA 6 is larger the multi state/island idea would be dope

@@tnemomhurb7679 yep i wanna see them extend into florida. vice city being the main city, while tampa and orlando are the other two major cities you can go to. with a buncha of the smaller cities and towns in between. and an explorable everglades.

@@talal3c ima be honest my expectations for 6 are so low. game will probably be unfinished

@@revolucion5398 idk rockstar has a knack for revolutionizing their games. but the lead director who was responsible for a lot of the gtas and rdr2’s main story left the company so idk 🤷🏽‍♂️

@@talal3coh boy do I have news for you

The inator

@@Theunfriendlyneighborhoodman He's a semi aquatic, Egg laying mamal of action

@@prateekpanwar646 He's a furry little flatfoot who never flinched from a fra-ee-ay-ee-ay

@Siboniso Buthelezi When the women swoons, whenever they hear him says... (platypus sound mp3)

Not to mention the town is smaller and the country side is boring as hell

Then again, this was made in PS3 and Xbox 360, that concept map of GTA 4 alone sounds absurdly ambitious, imagine several cities, and a huge countryside, that's a lot of gigs in that map alone, Look at the map of Just Cause 2, it was huge (like really, really big even aircraft travel takes forever) for a 2010 game, but it only contained small villages, military bases, and one city, and several, several islands with nothing in it.

@@hatsoff4524 But if this concept map was the same size as San Andreas, the PS3 could've handled it. It would be smaller than GTA V.

@@TheyWantMeGone69 That concept map looks way, way more content than GTA V, several villages, the huge wilderness, and 3 cities, that alone has ton of gigs, and that's not even factoring in the gameplay mechanics like physics and the scripts, it's already a testament that GTA 5 can even run in 7th gen consoles (like what they pulled off in SA), but this map would make the already average performance of GTA 4 worse (especially PC).

@@hatsoff4524 Yeah I see that now. This would've been too ambitious back in 2008, but now? Oh boy it's the wild west of possibilities

Yes pls share

Where's your buddy Man. ?

This is why I feel like Long Island would not be as big as it's shown to be on this concept if they decided to move ahead with it as the map. It's such a big area with tons of sprawling residential areas, they'd probably downsize it and just keep one suburb and the Hamptons.

There are many games. They aren't shooting games (most of them arent)

@@yasno915 example?

@@videodeposu8741 Watch Dogs 2

@@videodeposu8741 I know this may sound childish but... Roblox. Before you say it's a game for kids... just know that someone payed for college by making a game on roblox. I can say more but if you're already playing roblox it would be weird telling you the stuff

It probably would have released in 2013 the Gta 5 release date. If the map was that big and as detailed as the original Gta 4 Liberty City.

I was thinking that too, I bet they can pull it off now.

@@InternetRob They would have to include SI into the final map, they've got a cool shopping area just next to the ferry terminal now, plus a number of fantastic parks!

Hopefully they can reuse IV's map because it's pretty well made, and then add the other areas on top of it.

@@shanekeenaNYC It will have to be a different universe then GTA V & IV are the same universe

@@pedinhuh16 That's what they will have to do if VI is the same universe as IV and V

Well, with red dead they proved they can make the countryside interesting too

@@darthpepo1 Red Dead is set in a whole different time. The countryside is the city there. It's where the interesting stuff happens.

@@frizzyrascal1493 yeah, but no reason to not have an interesting countryside with random events and good wildlife like in red dead

@@darthpepo1 Of course, Rockstar has to overthink it's game concept. Red Dead 2 has a a great story, but the mission mechanics of going from A to B just because is really outdated. NakeyJakey made a good video about the issue.

@@frizzyrascal1493 yep, i agree with that video

People will do the same with V after VI comes out. It's happened with each entry in the series since San Andreas (not counting LCS, VCS or CTW). Not long after IV released people were incessantly bitching about the lack of things to do and the absence of countryside, constantly singing the praises of "the superior" San Andreas. Then after V came out everyone started waxing poetic about how much "better" the driving, physics, and story were in IV and that continues to this day, only with people praising both IV and SA now. The same thing will happen again because a lot of people get nostalgic for the games they loved when they were younger (especially if they were kids), and because it's impossible to please everyone.

@@LanceVanceDance84 yeah, I agree, buy GTA IV had so many hate that I never imagined this happening, at least I'm the one who loved the game since day one 😅

@@LanceVanceDance84 I don't think anyone hated on San Andreas the same way people did with IV and V tho.

@@themadtitan7603 wth thanos u r not supposed to be here lazy

@@LanceVanceDance84 Shit people have been doing that with New Vegas for a while now, it got to the point where some people are questioning how great New Vegas was

Considering how ginormous the map for RDR2 is, I'd imagine that with the current gen hardware available now, the map is going to be fucking massive.

@@MrFusion surprisingly, rdr2's map is quite a bit smaller than V's

Dan and Sam are gone. Rockstar isn’t worth what it was.

@@taistelulaama9159 true, but considering how much slower horses are compared to cars, it feels much bigger

@@sumoslap1973 Sam isn't gone

Ayyyy I remember you! How you been doing and stuff? Hope you’re keeping well in these hectic times

Its been while since I have seen you involved in gta stuff...

@@Univer3eTwist3ers Nice commenting on your own damn comment

@@yniekac8851 Literally what tho the guy I was replying to deleted his replies

A fellow Buick owner I see. What model?

No doubt. 😌

A winning streak that hopefully continues with the next entry in the series

Was.

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....because... it is

GTA 7 gets released already?

I still feel that Staten Island would have been great to have in the game, and it wouldn't even have to be large. Something the size of Bohan but with more houses and parks to give it a more woodsy feel. With the amount of parks there, it could have sort-of been like a "countryside" portion to satisfy the people who still wanted an area that felt more open and less urban in the game. By the way, if I recall, some building textures in Alderney and possibly Dukes were originally taken from pictures of buildings in Staten Island, so they at least had to go there for some reference photography. Strange that they'd only use it for NJ though.

Don't worry flight simulator has your borough.

I feel you man. I'm from Queens but I could imagine how much it sucks when you're anticipating you're area to get represented and it never actually is in the final product. Hopefully for a future GTA or map DLC, Rockstar will bring back an expanded Liberty City with their own interpretation of Staten Island. Along with featuring more of Long Island, Upstate, and New Jersey. I'm sure they would be able to do it now with how much technology has progressed. Would be sick!

Is not the size that matter dipshit But the quality, what inside of the map, density. If you look out at the amount of interiors you would be completely fine about the map we got.

IIRC Dan Houser said when they first had the outline of the map up and running on their computers that it was close to the actual size of the entire state of New York. If they had gone down that route the game probably would've ended up with graphics/details similar to San Andreas. I'm VERY glad with what they actually chose to do instead of the "make everything bigger" idea.

I’m actually disappointed in the final version there’s no real wooded area. It’s mainly a city oriented map with a slight suburban area in the West Island.

@@LanceVanceDance84 Maybe one day we can have a map that big with the amount of details in Gta 4, if not MORE.

@@ryanelliott71698 I mean it would have been cool, but thinking about it realistically I'm fine with it. The green spaces like parks in the game are just okay, and that's because more effort got put into the urban areas which take up the majority of the map. With games cut content, you've got to think about the balance. If you add something else, somethings gotta give. So I'm fine with what they did in the final game

@@retailradiotv884 like 1 decently sided wooded I would have been fine with.

No, no, no. It's giant.

"Thank you, Alan."

That's what she said 😋😛

I think VC would lend itself much better to open areas outside the city better than LC. Miami isn't a big concrete jungle like NYC or LA, and a lot of Miami-Vice-esque storylines tend to focus on the Keys, the swamps, the bridges, etc.

theres already a concept map of the beta version. Someone found the picture of the beta map in a location in the game since the devs forgot to change it

I'm hoping if VC comes back the map will include that as well as areas of Miami, Orlando, Tampa, and parts of the panhandle. With these current gen technologies I want a map that's bigger and more lively than Los Santos

I'd love to do more non-GTA topics occasionally! Thanks for watching!

Keep it up !

In 2008, these consoles were true next gen And not to mention that the PS3 was notorious for being hard to develop games for it. PS3 runs GTA IV on only one core and ignore all SPEs

Nothing to do about that. Doesn't the PS3 and Xbox 360 runs GTA V? RAM doesn't determine how big a open world game is. Is used for temporary storage for textures, assets, audio, etc.

pretty sure they removed planes bc they didnt wanna get cancelled over people recreating 9/11

@@5.9manualzj 😂

@@5.9manualzj Gta 3 included one plane, but no problem

@@5.9manualzj If that was the reason, then the terrorists have won

@@5.9manualzj 🥵🥵🥵

70s LC is a perfect idea

GTA 4 was that treatment lol

In addition in real life, the area located north of Ravenswood Power Station is taken up by a high-rise luxury apartment complex and housing projects. Therefore, placing an airport in that location would have been a very bad idea.

What ?

Found the redditor.

@@tylercouture216 And?lol

Well the game with more content and bigger map would came with 2 DVDs on Xbox 360 and they have to make the game work without hard drive. There is not way they would have made an open world game like this came on 2 or 3 DVDs on Xbox 360 Plus it would drastically increase loading times on both consoles

Considering Gta IV as released in 2008 already destroys Gta V, yes you are correct.

@@ASSman864 yeah tbh looking back at GTA V the story was actually terrible compared to IV

@@aceofspades4655 Ironic since the story is what ruined the map

IV destroys V now.

@@ASSman864 uh what? V is the most successful game coming from rockstar

Yep, we probably could have had the expanded map, but it definitely wouldn't have got to be in the style of how IV is now. I think it would have been more "blocky" like SA, VC, and those 3d era games, and without that new gen physics engine.

GTA IV truly deserved an expanded and enhanced not GTA 5 which while great, already got a couple of releases up to that point.

LC is a lot richer but I think that's the point. You can walk down a street, catch a taxi or a subway and be immersed. IRL LA isn't like that, and it reflects in the game, I think it's intentional.

@@JaidenJimenez86 Plus Police Brutality of 5's cops is more realistic to some groups of people, or seen as satire of the police.

limited storage from old consoles? then how did they make gta 5 on xbox 360 and ps3?

@@pushhrodd01 Multi-disc on the Xbox 360 and Blu-ray for the PS3. Blu-ray has a higher capacity than a dual layer DVD.

I think it's rather performance, optimization issues than storage limitation. Even the smaller final version is still has poor performance.

Really?

@Bandz and even the buildings with interiors only have them for specific missions

Are you serious?? You should look at RDR2 and reconsider your statement

@@dennis9854 It's rubbish

@@dennis9854 Great huge map, beautiful to look at, basically nothing to do. Same with GTA V minus the whole "beautiful" part.