I'm actually surprised to see someone say that, but I'll take it.

That sounds like a cool campaign!

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That's a good point. I definitely should've mentioned that in the video. It's like a combination of Dante's Purgatorio and Paradiso. It's like Paradiso in names and themes, but like Purgatorio in that way you mentioned where you purge yourself of sin, but also it's a freaking mountain island. Can't believe I missed that.

Glad you loved it, got another one coming in 12 hours.

Glad you like them! But yeah they do take some time. This one I'm working on now has been taking an incredibly long time, at this point my goal is to have it up by the end of next month.

@@WadeAllen001 Yayy can't wait, but no rush! Will be here when it's ready :)

Working on an Abyss video now!

There's actually not that many videos talking about the abyss's layers themselves.

At my current rate doing every plane would take 2 years. If these videos keep getting views I'll do it.

It may take a while, but that's the plan if these videos keep getting views.

Yeah that can be a pain. You could always have some workaround though. Your players could learn about some portals into the higher layers from other planes and take a short detour to get to them. Most realms contain portals to other planes, like how Erackinor has a portal to/from the Outlands. Your players could acquire some magic item that allows them to open portals to higher layers of Mount Celestia, or some magic that allows the non lawful good players to fool the warden archons into letting them pass into the next layer. They could use Bahamut's Palace as a shortcut by doing a side quest for Bahamut who then gives them free access to the first four layers. Or if their mission is dire enough you could have some high ranking archon write a note of exemption that will allow them to pass.

@@WadeAllen001 I get it. As a dm I can do anything but… that’s a very quick way of killing immersion. That the higher heavens are very difficult to get to without much devotion and sacrifice, that even most archons can’t get to, DM hand waiving it breaks that lore. The players will expect to fight the Lady of Pain next. Bahamut’s realm is a nice shortcut to to 4th that’s as far as I’d go. I think climbing the mount would be a fun idea as a campaign, with each member choosing their path and acting out how they’d follow that path. Or… a B-storyline where the players play petitioners newly arrived on Celestia with little memory of their former lives but they hear the calling of their god(?) and they have to climb the mount, while the A-story focus on their normal PCs, with A and B stories entwining. I’m inspired by Final Fantasy 2, where the heroes that died went to heaven and had to fight the “good” side of the villain.

Awesome, thank you!

Noted!

I will!

Do you know where you heard that? Because I haven't seen it anywhere.

Not sure but I think Mr. Rhexx said it.

Bigby's Treasury of Giants adds an addendum to the myth of the Elegy. It shows the possibility of Annam All-father being that Primeval shaper of the Inner Planes. The myth of Diancastra's Saga contains a claim that Bahamut and Tiamat heralded the First World, but the sundered fragments were collected by Annam, who scattered and nurtured their seeds, shaping them and connecting them into the worlds of the Material Plane of today and giving rulership of them to his sons (Until they lost it and he retreated in disappointment). Beyond that there is this section: "Other sagas claim Annam was similarly instrumental in the creation of the Inner Planes, slowly sorting the tumult of the Elemental Chaos until the four Elemental Planes took shape. These sagas explain the giants’ close ties to the elemental forces of air, earth, fire, and water by pointing to Annam’s early efforts in the Elemental Planes." Later on in Diancastra's saga, Diancastra, daughter of Annam, is tasked to bring Pure Perfection to prove herself at the request of divinity. She goes to the Elemental Chaos and grabs a mote of chaos, which Annam is baffled by and starts shaping it into various elemental terrains, dissatisfied each time. She says: “Forsake your cunning craft! Chaos is a canvas for creation, unbounded, Perfectly imperfect and unformed. You cannot perfect potential.” This shows that the primeval giants can naturally take Elemental Chaos and use it as a canvas that they can transform into anything. I think the Elemental Chaos was already there, and there hasn't been a primeval creator of it. My interpretation is: Annam is the one that divided the Inner Planes organized sections of Water, Fire, Air, Earth, and their intersections, as a painter would segment their palette's paint; he and his sons would then use this elemental palette to paint the ecology of the worlds. Of course, it's a myth, but it fits with the elemental connection of giants, and them being a counterpart to Dragons. Diancastra tells Bigby that that the chosen myth and Bigby's interpretation of it are reasonable ones. I have a theory that the Elemental Chaos is not actually an intentionally created plane, but an elemental landfill that gathers the elements of destroyed worlds like a black hole. A few factions and places in the book describe doomsday theories of worlds dissolving into The Elemental Chaos if things go wrong. We can see a catacylsm in the sundering of the First World; perhaps all the elements of the terrain and Dragon magic of the First World dissolved into the Elemental Chaos. This leaves survivors of the First World as the Primordials of the Inner Planes; the Elementals as their creations; and Giants as the recyclers, organizers, and painters of the Inner Planes.

I haven't read Bigby Presents: Glory of the Giants. But I wasn't that far off the mark with my guess. Then we have 5 or 6 primeval creatures. Jazirin and Ahrima create the Outer Planes, presumably first. Bahamut and Tiamat created the Prime Matter Plane. All-father Annam created the Inner Planes. And of course the Lady of Pain, she probably silently watched over the creation of the multiverse. None of the three myths contradict each other, so I think there is some truth to these three myths.

Elysium seems like the clear favorite so far in these comments. Though in my last video I had the most votes for the Abyss, so maybe Abyss next and Elysium after that.

Yeah I did worry about that, that this video will get less views simply because heaven is less interesting than hell. Glad you still liked it though. And yeah I should've mentioned that Eladrin are fey in later editions, native to the Feywild instead of Arborea.

I think I'm one of the few people who find descriptions of heaven/paradise more interesting than descriptions of hell.

@@firstnamelastname7244 well descriptions are one thing, but in terms of story and narrative, for me, the most interesting stories from Heavens are those where celestials fall or are tricked =P

Not that I'm aware of. But the Planes of Law, Planes of Chaos, and Planes of Conflict books that describe each plane in detail include 3 short adventures for each plane. Then there are also the books of compilations of adventures such as Tales from the Infinite Staircase or The Well of Worlds. They're not really listed by plane though, and most adventures involve visiting multiple planes.

There are timestamps, skip to what you care about. But I appreciate the feedback. So far I got one person who says they really appreciated that history of alignment part, and now one person who really didn't, so I can't be sure yet if it was a bad idea to include it. But I don't think everyone does already know about it. And the reason I included it is because in my previous videos I got lots of comments from people asking me to talk about the differences between editions. I also didn't think it was off topic or irrelevant, because it's about what lawful good means and how alignment works, which matters a lot for the outer planes and what type of characters go to the plane in question.

But it seems like you're one-dimensionalizing lawful good and lawful evil into just lawful. If sacrificing in the sacrifice culture and not sacrificing in the anti-sacrifice culture just makes you lawful, then what makes you good or evil? You know what I mean? If a lawful good character goes to Baator and participates in torturing lemures because it's allowed by the culture, they're no longer lawful good, they've become lawful evil.

Yeah it is surprisingly furry, but the angels still do basically exist in the form of Aasimon.

Lol it was a bad expansion, but the art and visuals of WoW are always great.

I agree with you. I still pronounce it "day-vuh" despite what the D&D source books say. I keep my own personal pronunciations for things where I think they sound better or make more sense, but I use the pronunciations listed in the books for my videos so people can't say I pronounced something wrong (or at least so it happens less because inevitably there's something I still pronounce wrong or D&D itself offers conflicting pronunciations).

@@WadeAllen001 Right on. I do the same. Some original words are confusing to pronounce and have no guide to pronouncing them though... *cough cough* dragon names *cough cough*

Yeah I was pretty disappointed that there was essentially nothing at all in those 5e Planescape books about the Outer Planes.

Curse you, 4e!