MiB reference :D

@@user-bi4fl7hu4s I think that pre dates MiB. It's still correct.

Loved that line.

Well... He is right. Sadly 😢

@@ombrepourpre7562 Tell that to Vulkan and Angron. They will not be pleased...

I don’t think he’s disappointed with Felix it’s a hard but true truth he’s more disappointed with humanity

@@Lord_Inquisitor_Ignis Came here to say this.

​@@Lord_Inquisitor_Ignisand how far it really has fallen...

Why tho? jw

@@Lord_Inquisitor_Ignis I think there is a chance that it is a mix of both. Like, maybe he is not disappointed in Decimus's assessment, like he's simply not wrong, but rather his conclusion. Look at what he said first: "You have a facility for empathy." He's kinda nudging him to the conclusion Girlyman wants. He wants him to be empathetic and to draw a conclusion born from that empathy. Yet when pushed on it, Decimus just comes to the same conclusion as the rest of the Imperium. A conclusion that has in many ways been responsible for how far humanity has fallen.

Just like big E. 😂

The Custodes and the Astartes: we want to be just like you Big E and Gulliman: and I want you to be better than me

Maybe it wasn't dissapointment in the angry way, but more in the having his expectations meet reality eay

​@@santiagoteruel4145 Like the doctrine he made for his Legion has failed in that part.

Not exactly. All primarchs are more human than the average space marine, despite being even higher above. Primaris marines on the other hand seemingly are even less human than firstborn marines.

Would still be better than C.S. Goto

I would love this

"I, Cato Sicários, am the best volunteer in all of Ultramar!" Read this with his TTS' voice

Pretty sure Cato should be scrubbing latrines. Learn some humility and humanity.

Salamanders be like "you want us to reduce the amount we help the people?"

In Astronomibook: Guilliman: "The Codex Astartes was just a set of guidelines made exclusively during times of emergency, they're not meant to be followed religiously." Leandros: "Nuh-huh!"

All my homies hate Leandros

Everyone despising Leandros is sane of mind, and clean of heart 😂

And he didn't even follow the codex properly

Leandros = 🤓🤓🤓🤓

"Man is greater than any ape, because man is more ape than ape!"

In the Dawn of Fire series, one of the Custodian leaders considers Guilliman to be a massive threat should he turn traitor. His justification is that Guilliman built the 500 worlds of Ultramar in the time it took most of his brothers to take one, and some didn't even manage that. He considers Guilliman to be by far one of the most dangerous of all primarchs.

If he never came into contact with big E and learned of his origins I wonder if he would have led people against him given how cruel the imperium can be

@@diarmuidallen5899 Probably depends on which brother he met first.

as a craftsman and metalsmith salamanders are my lads but the blue smurf and his kingdom of happy and depressed blue guys are definitely still up on my list for possibly favourite loyalists.

That is a more honest interpretation I think. Guilliman is smart enough to know Felix made a mostly correct statement especially in context of the 41st millennium

I don't think it was the theoretical that Rowboat was disappointed with here, but the practical, the conclusion "they need a firm hand". G-man is acutely aware of how easy it is for Astartes and Primarchs to become tyrants, so both himself and his sons have a history of not taking positions of power when they could, or of taking them temporarily and stepping down as soon as the crisis has passed. I think Robbie was disappointed that Felix didn't seem to have that ideal in mind.

Think there’s a lot of ways you can take it. For one Guilliman has always been the one to push Space Marines and humans to work together. He forced the space marines apart solely to project humanity and ensure humans were in firm control of the reigns of power. That hasn’t change even as imperial regent as his only acts of removing the corrupt former rulers of high Tera were immediately justified by there failed coup against the current high lords when Guilliman was in the Indomitus crusade. All of this together paints a picture of primarch whose priority is human control. If a son of his who especially valued for his humanity comes to the conclusion of space marine authoritianism inorder to rule the imperium I think the most plausible reaction of disappointment is in his conclusion rather than the merits of it as it isn’t really a deeply thought out conclusion. Any investigation into imperial history will see that strong men have done far more damage than what distributed power could, where a heavy hand has done far more damage than an outstretched one. Baddab and the age of apostasy is a perfect example and one they’d all be painfully aware of . Meanwhile basic humans have kept the empire together for 9,000 years against Chaos Tryandis, Orks, and Necrons without a single primarch to help them

Came here to say this

Same here. I mean Decimus in context of 40k is 100% right there's so much infighting and disunity in the Imperium they don't see obvious threats like gene stealer cults until it's too late or don't send enough supplies to fully stomp out an ork WAAGH! only to come back a few decades later and find a planet stripped bare, all the while planetary governors squander resources on luxuries as their hive cities fall into disrepair and get filled with hive gangs and mutants

The issue guilliman had was the implication of "A firm hand". Too many times in history things when from bad to worse with this one thought.

Well the majority of people vote emotionally because their goals are inherently emotional: People want to live good and happy lives. The numbers and big picture don't matter if life isn't worthy living. Sadly, without some reason to guide the emotions, people tend to end up voting out of fear, rather than voting in pursuit of that which would bring them and others happiness. and fear, that's a dangerous thing.

@@Adelie_in_Grey Yes but they go more so for big promises not stopping to question how this person will even be able to make these big promises happen or if they will even try. They also don't think about potential consequences for some of these actions.

@@FROSTAFRICA They also went from bad to good thanks to it. Augustus, Otto von Bismarck, Lee Kuan Yew and Nayib Bukele being prime examples of this. Even Guilliman is firm as a leader. A soft leader typically isn't a very good one, corruption and crime has an easy time under them. The best type of leader can be both firm and soft but if they can only be one then firm is typically the better option

​@@FROSTAFRICAthat's stupid, a firm hand is better then nothing

They are .

Wait until you hear about George Carlin

​@kharnthebetrayer1575 some African country Is currently having goblin problems. So yeah, people are pretty fucking stupid.

He's absolutely right though.

It’s not exactly a profound or unique opinion to have. Saying it’s “from” something doesn’t mean much.

This holds as much truth as the people are willing to change. You can guide a horse to water but you can't make it drink. What then do you do with the horse? You either leave it to die of thirst, let it free to drink from whatever contamination you tried to take it away from or force it to drink from the trough.

​@@heeyyypeoplebut at the same time, if you force a human to do or think something some will accept it as you planned, but plenty more will rebel against you because you forced them into it. They will resent that thing regardless of how good it was for them and will likely get rid of it after you have passed. Force only goes so far with humans, if it truly worked then why would we have rebellions and civil wars? In my opinion, a firm and gentle hand are tools to handle different challenges, like the sword and the pen.

@@davidalejandro441 You are right in the short term. But if someone is ruthless enough then those who would keep that grudge for generations would be removed and eventually the hatred would be forgotten or laid to rest. I would say an action like that should be reserved for the worst situations but most humans don't have enough time to make a real change there are many instances in history where someone's goodwill and well laid out gentle plan is contorted and becomes the gospel and to date has not returned to its proper form because the people accept the warped version. Humans are paradoxical creatures, we will exalt the worst when it makes us feel nice and so your only real option when being gentle is complete manipulation so that everyone relates the event to feeling great and won't want to change. But then you face another problem, one many people trying to do good right now are facing. You are not immaculate and no matter what someone tells you it will affect how they see you. They may not resent you or place a wall between you, they may even be closer to you than before but it will forever change your image in their eyes. And mobs do not like that.

@@heeyyypeople Its not really those in charge being ruthless but simply exercising authority thats more firm than anything on the direction they will go, if they are too ruthless it doesnt need multiple generations to manifest as they can start a rebelien in that one as has happaned, any smart monarch knows not to push the people too far.

@@informationyes I think there's a misunderstanding. 1. Who says the general populace needs to know that you are the reason x family disappeared? Whether it's hiding it or propaganda deflecting blame. 2. Who says the people must rebel? Manipulation buys more time than you think, who says what you've done won't be in full swing and the people's opinion won't be what solidifies your reign? 3. Why are you considering the general populace? With things like that its leaders that will be targeted, in the end if both parties have public dirt then the one who offers more to the people will be chosen. Actual opinion of the general populace matters little in games of manipulation, its about who can stir the crowd in their favor more.

I imagined the bad to the bone riff

Fuckin noise marines at it again...

2012 warhammer memes man

A-A-A-APOTHACARY ROCKSO HERE

@@theandychrist2599 2012 memes about 1980s warhams art. Back when the Eldar were all David Bowie lookalikes and Slaaneshis were leopard-print-clad hair metal rockers.

But technically they didn't,the emperor needed to bring them into compliance otherwise chaos would have been able to get a foothold on those worlds

@atuokoye7748 on some yes. But on most it was an excuse to wipe out a civilization that wanted to stay alone. There were a lot of worlds put to the sword because they mistakenly said "no thanks" to the 'beneficent' offer of "Obey Me Or Die."

@@atuokoye7748 some of those worlds only fell to chaos BECAUSE the Emperor brought them into "compliance". No person can see all ends- not even Big E. The Emperor's greatest failing, both as a leader and a father, was his arrogance.

@@atuokoye7748 the imperium destroyed many groups that weren't chaos influenced at all just because they were different, like the mixed human-alien nomads who just wanted to be left alone.

@@accountname9506 "yet". strong unified empire is a powerhouse that survives on sheer momentum and mass. a single world, or even a league of star-systems is like being alone in the great ocean. that's equally valid and leaving those "Strong" systems that survived the age of strife, it is play wide vs play tall. Usually play wide wins.

preferably one that uses that Empathy he has the facility for.

It was the last part thet dispointed him

Very interesting perspective. I like it. Lots of interesting interpretations throughout the comment section, but I agree with you the most. Guilliman wasn't judging Felix as much as he was reacting to the reality of the answer.

@@Lomhow I honestly believe that. Felix does not want to answer like that does he? He has to, his literal gene-father just asked him outright what his thoughts were. And he was not expecting such a cold reply....one which a crusade era Ultramarine would never have said. Cheers for your reply 👌

I also dont see why Guilliman should be disappointed in his son. What his son said is exactly how this galaxy worked for humanity for several thousands of years. Individual wants a friend, crowd wants a leader. People don`t care much where did this leader came from, only what he does, and what results his actions bring. That`s true now, so why wouldn`t it be true then?

Guilliman was specifically disappointed in the "firm hand" part. Because he has seen already what this "firm hand" does, back in the great Crusade. Where the Imperium absolutely crushed worlds, not because they were fallen to Chaos or in danger to, but because they simply were different and often times wished to be left alone. Guilliman knows ruling with an Iron Fist and crushing any opposition, like the Imperium did for oh so long before his return, is not the Answer. He made that point multiple times since his return. So he naturally is disappointed in his Son, because he knows all too well how fast this firm hand turns into an iron fist.

I can tell you live in some cushioned place and haven't been to Africa, china etc

​@@sneckotheveggieavenger9380Doesn't sound like you have been, either, sneck.

@@chasewrubel2853 Where you from?

yeah, he likely agrees too, but is sad that it is how things are

because we cannot. we cede decision making on 'somebody else" - and it is FFA who that somebody else turns out.

I believe he was disappointed in the people, not in the poor guy who told him the truth

The worst thing about that it's the guy isn't wrong and Girlyman knows that, due to how f*cked up the Imperium is in the 41 millenia Rawboat Girlyman truly deserves some vacations, maybe he could let Kitten, Captain General of the Adaptus Custodes, take care of this for a while

Maybe that’s why he’s disappointed?

Ooooh so edgy

decimus is right on the money on this one

@@Pedro-zu3uq call him edgy , but i want you to call him a liar , you cant ,so shut up.

@@BaldyAngry I’m not gonna debate human condition with you in a yt comment but people behave like animals if you treat them like animals.

True aswell

people are animals , most of their actions they take by necessity or emotion , when in fear they behave like pack animals do , especially in large crowds reason dies , and people only truly respect strength because if you are weak your only choice is to respect strength nothing more , humanity is the finest example that just because you can reason does not make you less of an animal .

@@BaldyAngry so because humans act instinctively in the very specific scenario of being in massive crowds or feeling crippling fear they are animals? What about the other 99% of the time? We leave so much of our animalistic behavior behind in our every day lives, gets really easy to dismiss all this stupid arguments about “humans are barely keep on the line, I need an assault rifle to feel safe” or “with a firm hand (violence against vulnerable people) our society would run better”.

​@@BaldyAngry well but you miss one point yes when you give an animal a fear enough they will obey all their lives but humans well .. Simply hold grudge and when you loss little tiny bit power you dead

@@Pedro-zu3uq Humans act instinctively in every moment of their lives. Humans seek out food when they are hungry. Humans shit when their bowels are full. Humans search for additional partners even when they already have one. Humans do what they have to do to bring in income, so that they can satiate their animalistic desires, such as wanting to buy clothes to look pretty to attract a more desirable mate. Even the fields of philosophy and science are driven by instinctual urges like curiosity.

He is disappointed in Felix. Because Guilliman has seen with his own eyes how fast this "firm hand" turns into an iron fist.

Or the Lamenters (they really need it)...

I bet he’s disappointed that his sons don’t get out enough. They should have play dates with the Salamanders.

He abandons all his other plans to go help them find the artifacts.

😊

​@@drunknnirishnah Vulkan notices Girlyman going for his Chapter and returns to bearhug and carry his beloved Brother Rowboat back to his own Chapter