Now I want to try to record cab with another cab :DDD

I'll definitely have to give this a try. Thanks for another awesome video dude.

Hey Ryan! Chris Selim told me about your channel 2 days ago and I really like it! Great content, good vibes. Congrats on the 40k subs!!! :)

Great video! The two really sounded great together.

good point and result. it actually makes much sense to catch the amp's speakers' fat with a membrane big enough to catch the whole wave.

very inspiring. cool spirit that's added to the sound.

Fascinating. I'd love to hear a shoot out between a bunch of different passive speakers. NS10s aint cheap these days, but hearing some Goodwill find bookshelf speaker doing this would be awesome.

that was pretty cool bro.both together sounded good

Very excited to give this a try, sounds awesome! I’m interested to try it on bass guitar!

This is exactly what I was looming for. It answers the doubt I had about if it was a good idea for guitars to use a speaker as a Mic. I want to try it with other kind of speakers.

Wooow! I really like the mixe of both!! Thx!

Definitely a neat trick! Gonna try this out!

Love Auto Align, totally brings drums to life

Wow. That sounds beautiful

This sounds Amazing!!

Wow. So many possibilities.

Great stuff as usual! I’ve been thinking about trying something similar. Have to check out that auto align too 😃

This is great! I always wanted to boost the thickness of sm57s on a hot rod deluxe, but doing it with eq always sounded like crap. This adds aggressive mids that fills out a rhythm track perfectly! Thanks for the idea!

I like it. Been using speaker cones for mics for years. But never thought about using a speaker in a box. 👍

Very cool experiment!

Neat! Man, I won a contest about 4 or so years back and got my pick of any plugin up to $500. I chose Auto Align. It allows me to find the sweet spot for multiple mics on a single source mostly without phasing concerns. Especially considering it allows you to move signals back and forth in steps that are also in phase Totally amazing! But what you've opened my eyes up to here is using a full range speaker as a mic! I've wired up sub kicks before, but this is another step up. Now I think about it replacing a sub + outside kick mic with a full range. I assume you still reverse the wires at the speaker? Awesome video!

Auto Align looks like a good plugin. I match my boom mic and lavaliers almost all the time by eye.

Pretty cool.

The NS10 was pretty disappointing on its own, but added to the SM57 it sounded huge! I’m definitely going to give this a try next time I track guitars.

Brilliant!

Pretty cool stuff! Makes me wonder if this "speaker microphone" technique would work as a room mic for drums

Nothing new :) I actually saw that FOALS used NS10 speaker in front guitar cabs on live festival gig. Man, those guitars sounded really nice and full.

This is a great idea to add some girth to clean sounds without resorting to distortion or octave dividers.

On a vacation now. Going to try the two mic technique for recording acoustic. One over the head and one in front 3 feet away. It was in a previous episode. Dig these episodes.

Nice video. It would be interesting to hear the the mic set up “as-is” without the phase align. From there you could keep moving the NS-10 until the phase relationship came in to focus. I mean, in my experience the phase relationship with that kind of thing is more of an artistic choice than a question of what is “correct”. You could even slightly delay the NS-10 until it felt cool, I bet it would give a really interesting image of the guitar amp with all that body and depth it’s picking up.

I think that sounds pretty good

Gotta try it!!

That really adds some meat and loudness.

Cool concept, maybe try a speaker with a smaller woofer? I want to try this with my old m-audio dx4

Wow! Moving coils around magnets make voltage.

This sounded great, you would need compression saturation and maybe more to recreate this. Love it !

I think it sounds fuckin killer if you're recording more than just one guitar, something like that panned left for rhythm or something. Id do that all day.

This is dope

Could you create an Impulse response using the Ns10 and the Sm57 on Guitar an Bass Cabinets? That would be awesome. Most of the existing IRs seem to lack the cabinet resonance or what you call loudness. Oftentimes it's only like an EQ.

Sounds similar to my royer ribbon Great video

Hello Ryan, great videos......if you take suggestions on future vids to make, please make a video on the slipperman distorted guitar micing method. No one has done this yet from my searching.

nice, a very ribbonish type vibe

great result! Do a vid on using a 2X12 for a mic on drums or sub kik since we all have them already.

I want to try this

Wow this is amazing! Do you think you’d find an alternative for this technique? Like with normal (ribbon) mic placed at the same distance and phase-alligned and compare it to the NS-10. Would be very nice to see how you can get this huge guitar sound in a lot of different ways. Always inspiring Ryan, doing good!

Was there a reason the NS-j10 was so much farther from the amp than the mic? As for the cable, yes, apparently it's not good practice to consistently connect both ends of an XLR cable's shield to ground. It allows for ground loops, whereas by having just one end connected to a mic pre's chassis ground it is shielding the cable to the same extent but not allowing any noise on the ground to couple back to the signal source.

I've actually had this in Mind for a while, but coudln't try it out so far. I guess since the mass of the "diaphragm" on the NS10 is so high it encapsulates the power needed to get it to move. I'll definitely give it a try.

ABSOLUTE MADMAN FOR THIS. I NEED TO TRY THIS....Once I have enough gear lmao

Gives it a more "live sound" experience to the amp, maybe because your ear is tuned into hearing the cab live.

I got mindblown

Should have tried it on the back of an open back cab. I bet that would actually help a lot more. I've put RE20s on the back of cabs before and it actually does crazy good.

Great video! I do wonder how much of this is down to the additional volume of another source. On the frequencies where they line up, you'd be getting as much as a 3~db boost. You'd have to level-match both versions to get a proper comparison, not just compare muting the NS10 signal. Even then, technically speaking, it's kind of just acting as an EQ. Taking the same signal (the drum/amp/etc) but blending in a bandpassed version of it. That's EQ. Parallel EQ with some phase misalignment, to be specific. I'm definitely trying this now, eager to experiment.

makes it feel like it's 4x12 , kind of . cool !! tnx man

I think it would work great with a bright tone from a very loud amp and cab combo. i think you could get a mixable tone there with that.

Forgive the naive question as I'm new to the channel: What is the band/song you're working on here? It sounds very R.E.M.ish with a bit more heat and maybe a dash of Big Star. It sounds incredibly good. So many studio/recording tutorial vids feature songs I don't care for but this is finally one I really want to know more about.

Great video! I'm about to make my own sub kick but I'm kind of stumped. I'm going to cut the wire and life out the speaker from a PA. I've ordered an XLR adapter to solder the speaker cable to. Do I just need to solder the speaker wire opposite to the XLR adapter or do I also need to reverse the conception at the speaker end?

Do you think this will work with a "normal" sub-kick (solomon, moonmic, yamaha) or the tweeter of the speaker is a great part of the sound?

Need one of those cables

You can get a similar sounding effect by micing the back of the open back and flipping the phase.

Have your friend already published something about his research ? I'd love to read it !

I notice you're using the NS10 to 'tame' a very bright amp.. But how does it sound when the amp is set a bit more flat, in conjunction with the 57?

Hi, do you have some el tabaco ?

I fckin love that tone

Yeah!!!👍👌🤘

Hey guy, So question: Idk if the NS-10 has a peizo or dome tweeter or something I don't know about.... but are you receiving sound from both tweeter and woofer, as two microphones wired to a common cable, or only the woofer (as in a subkick type setup)? If this is able to pick up from both, then i'd like to shove one of these over a kick drum shell, or back away from the kit as a room rumble mic (zepp levee breaking kinda rumble?). TIA

captions kick in "HEY GUYS RYAN IRONHEART HERE" pretty metal

If possiible, I'd try the NS10 a bit closer to the cab.

To me this sounds a lot like the sound you get from back mic-ing an amp. What are your thoughts?

Nice video! I just have one question. When you connect the "speaker microphone" like that, do you then use the tweeter of the speaker box as well or just the mid-range (white) speaker? Looking forward for an answer.

Why isn't there a wave form on the NS10 and 57 tracks around 5:00 onwards? Did I miss a detail? The Auto Align sounds like a great, smart tool for phase alignment! Shame it's just after Christmas and I'm broke!

How did you set the NS10s distance from the cab?

It IS catching cab resonance, but I am almost certain that this is not because it is a larger transducer (or at least not proportional to the size of the transducer, as opposed to an LDC or a nice ribbon) but the distance. Maybe you don't want to just stick a second 57 a foot and a half back (confession time: I hate 57's), but either way, right up on the grille, any mic is going to miss that cab resonance. There's just so much going into that close mic. I've forgotten about my snare, had it rattling away, and realized AFTER I had already made a guy quad-track this thrash metal riff for a 6 minute song. I was scared.....but then I listened really close to every track soloed, and you couldn't hear the snare rattling at all because we just had an Audix I5 up close on a G12T-75, being driven by a JCM800 head, and there is just so much air going in the front that you could be firing off a gun in the room and it wouldn't be audible on the track.......not that I recommend indoor gunplay.....

Please do more comparisons. Move it closer to the amp. Also, wire one with a di box. thanks. More questions now. I had to click on this video. This technique was first tried at abbey road on pauls bass and something else. Of course Yamaha has been selling the sub kick for years as well. And recently I tried this with both a Yamaha book shelf speaker and a gk bass cab on my kick drum. Gk cab with 12” speaker sounded better I used a DI though. Very easy to plug that 1/4” cable from the speaker into the di box. I also needed to pad it down 20db which my di box has. 1- does it really sound better using an xlr cable? 2- with any mic if you want brighter you move it closer. Even if you compared two identical 57s, one on the speaker and one 3 feet back you would get a similar effect. Why didn’t you try it closer? I guess I’m going to have to do this myself.

Hey .. I was interested why phase aligning was such a big deal and why you used the plugin for it.. if you could've just zoomed in and pulled one track to the other until they're aligned and flip the phase if needed.. please explain Btw.. your channel is a pillar of education in creative sound engineering .. big thank you for your mind opening content

So, I have to ask: Could you do it in reverse? I'd love to see a microphone being used as a speaker.

The NS10 gives quite some "meat" to the 57 sound.

Ns10 has poor sensitivity at 90dB and internal crossover. You should get a much better result with a Celestion Vintage 30 speaker whose sensitivity is 100dB.

You just find what i ´m seaching for

Add inefficient microphone to one purposely built... huge sound? People are rediscovering the dirt after a bunch of years inside DAWs. A little wrong can make for a lot of right.

I reckon just about any speaker of a similar size would work. People throw those things out all the time just because they are a bit boring looking or old. NS10s came about as just a hifi speaker that Yamaha lucked out on being a bit flatter than many at the time anyway. Who's to say that a "good" speaker makes the best mic anyway? Maybe the world's crappiest shelf speaker would be brilliant!

This was fascinating to watch! Thanks for putting in the effort to show us the results. Not trying to crap on it, but could someone explain to me why you couldn't just use another "real" microphone in addition to the 57 and get this same effect? Maybe put something in front of the extra mic to get that indirect, washed-out, muddy tone to then mix with the bright 57. Again, not trying to be negative, the end result sounded awesome. Just curious if the studio monitor is completely necessary.

I'm curious to know know much the tweet had an influence.

Ryan, do you ever use Auto Align on your drum tracks? Is Auto Align the same as Waves In Phase?

👍

I discovered some interesting information about the NS10's, they're actually not all bad. Their strong point isn't their sound quality (though people have used that as a reverse-metric for how good they are). It's the speed with which they respond to low frequency reproduction. The group delay is incredibly short. Supposedly under 4ms. If you guys are interested, here is the link where I gleaned most of my education about the NS10. It's an incredible little speaker system that they nearly ruined by porting it (killed the only good thing they had going for them, their speed). www.soundonsound.com/reviews/yamaha-ns10-story

Surprised you didn't try moving the NS10 closer.

You don’t need a plug-in. Get tape measure and measure the distance between the mics and add channel delay to the close mic.

"Today's td-dvuh"

You should try it on a bass instead

Why don't we use a 20" subwoofer next? Hell! Sky is the limit, right?

Never seen a white brother pull off the locks, but I must say as a black -I think they rock! And he's a great guitar genius!

I use auto align for everything that's multi miced. Just because of the time saving. However, to save on CPU I use the plugin to align tracks, then I see how many samples it's moving the track back or forward and if it's flipping phase. Then I manually shift the track the same number of samples to match what Auto Align was doing and invert it if AA was doing so as well. I run AA again and if it comes up with 0 I know it's in phase so then I de-activate the plugin or usually delete it. It helps with Bass and drums a lot! This cool cause you don't have to compromise mic distances. You can place each mic where they sound best and not where they align.

Why not simply turn up the bass on the amp instead of doing this?

Hm...I built a really shitty sounding subkick out of an old subwoofer from a set of desktop speakers. Not a great subkick as it turns out, but I bet it would sound really cool on cranked guitar amp amp 😄 I'm definitely going to try this next chance I get!

Gimmick.

a transducer es a transducerr m8

next step start recording things with a Fender Super 6 amp