Old comment but I completely agree, while it shouldn't be the main focus how the mix sounds the mix in mono is important.

@Pitchfork Inc. 100% and if it were my place it would be totally immersive and borderline annoying (says my wife) :) it's the low tech locations that get a cringe factor when you haven't checked your mix for a good mono representation. Interesting (to me anyway) that I tried something different my new release kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rdiAqLCgx-CYko0.html and made the mono mix sound totally different than the stereo. All the important parts are there but rhythm guitars are dropped out to leave just a primarily drum and bass mix.

I totally agree with you. I just made a track with 3 guitars tracks 2 of them hardpanned left and right, which sound awesome in stereo, but completely disappers in mono. I became aware of this in my private car which has a stereo with 4 speakers, but...theres obviously different width of stereo on different setups and also (atleast here in Denmark) people are listening to music on a transportable speaker called a Soundbox (Danish invention) and it's completely mono, so my mix don't work at all on such a speaker 😔

​@tdichow are you properly double tracking or copy pasting?

You're prolly not double tracking or something silly. Most phones nowadays are stereo. Same with iPads. I'm having trouble finding a mono device in my house. I'm doubting your engineering abilities.

ya same here. Ive learned more on his free content then all other content put together

Try listening to rock tracks done pre 00s esp 80s metal - you hear them in clubs, bars which are always mono and they sound amazing. I heard a GnR track from the 90s and the guitars were almost completely lost in the bar.

Double track

Ive done this and it works buttttt takes up space in the center and can mask the vocal a bit. Also takes away the width of the hard panned guitars. Give it a try though!

I'm pretty sure Metalica did this with Master Of Puppets, (they had an extra rythem guitar straight up the middle about -6 db below the other tracks) which might explain how gen z kids can blast it out of their shit phone speakers, and are still able to listen to the guitars haha

I panned for 60 and in quadro (doubled track same amp but a Little gain for more crunch sound) for 30-40

Almost most cellphone speakers now are stereo dude. Most people listen with earphones/earpods or their car. Anyone listening to music on a single speakers, well sucks for them. *shrug*

@@lodougherty Brilliamt approach. 👏👏

I think you've got a point here with the bluetooth speakers. They're popular, they deliver a good sound quality (for the average consumer) and I see and hear them all the time and everywhere because people and kids bring them to the park or to the lake where they chill out with their friends in the summer. I can't exactly tell if all of the latest available ones have stereo but I've seen some around that were definitely mono. I own a JBL flip 4 that is mono as well. Yes, I know, we sound engineers (except myself lol) have impressive knowledge, skill and gear and we know that our music is best enjoyed in stereo. But we can't tell people how to listen to our mixes. It's not that a song comes with a manual with listening instructions. People decide to listen on whatever device they want and if our mixes sound bad on those devices, people don't get rid of those devices but of the song. We spend so much time referencing our mixes in our cars and with our earbuds and we put so much effort in our mixes to translate well on all that systems. I can't explain to myself why those widely used bletooth speakers are so much neglected. However I experience and I believe that it's completely normal that something will always get lost when you play a stereo mix on a mono device, to some extent. Maybe it's accepted, maybe it's not even noticed by the average listener. That's why I stopped caring too much about mono compability. I still reference on my JBL flip regularly but I try to focus on my mixes as a whole a lot more than on mono compability in particular and accept mono penalties to some extent. Never had the problem that something completely disappeared, though.

Yep. You can switch pickups or amp channels or maybe even a different cabinet ir. Usually, the greater the difference, the less likely phasing appears

It can, yeah... But the player would have to be SUPER tight. Even then, it wouldn't be consistently. I doubt you'll have this issue.

you will actually have momentary phase cancellation here and there when playing that in mono mode. Think about it this way: you have the exact same notes (with the exact same timbre, which effectively means the same waveforms) played simultaneously with slight variations in timing (due to a human player) between the takes.

Guess I'll just use a different IR to be on the safe side

@@Yanthungbemo usually ir changes work. Sometimes a different amp is better

They all have double tracked guitars... all of them

Did you double track?

@@greghillmusic Yes. Two different performances at once.

@pauliusmscichauskas558 you mean you recorded 2 different recordings of the same thing and panned hard left and right, right? Honestly I don't have any mono devices around, so I think the point is not to worry about it unless your music is going to play at a club.

The quick answer... Doing most/all of your EQ moves when your mix is summed to mono allows you to hear tones and/or frequencies that may be overlapping or clashing with each other.

@@lordhammerwind cheers mate. Much appreciated

Well most phones nowdays actually have stereo speakers, and even if they dont... I mean come on, listening to music on a tiny treble only speaker where you can hear sh**t anyway...