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Finally a mouse made for me as an American, I feel so seen.

On paper, this might actually be better for ergonomics. Hopefully someone else takes another stab at the concept with better build quality.

Imagine a good version of this with high end materials, adaptive triggers and haptic vibration.

A "gun enthusiast" friend in Texas had a birthday coming up. While shopping through thrift stores I found a gun shaped mouse.. And I don't mean a gun handle, I mean the whole thing was shaped like a handgun. The only difference was the large flat base that the optic sensor was housed in. Packing this strange looking mouse up for him, it was sent from Canada to the US well before his birthday. By the time he got it, it was over a month late, it had been in the hands of Homeland Security for weeks, and not only had they gone through everything in the box, but they ate more than half of the home made cookies that had been made for him. He discovered half eaten cookies in the bags, with big bite marks taken out of them and then put right back in like it didn't matter (because apparently to them it didn't.) So if you're going to buy something silly like this, be *really* careful about shipping it... Homeland Security might eat your cookies.

It'd be fun to just use the hardware as a parts kit to print a new more ergonomic body.

I think the most surprising thing about this, is the fact it took so long for someone to try it. With all the crazy peripherals throughout the years, a "gun style mouse" seems like a pretty easy idea to sell. And I agree, good or bad, it's great to see companies try new things.

LGR featured an old mouse shaped like a full pistol in one of his OddWare videos recently (along with other uncommon mice). It surprised me that it didn't suck.

On a very real note. I think this mouse would be great for people who want to switch from high dpi wrist aiming, to arm aiming.

Gun mouse is the type of design you would see in GTA parody world

Gun-mice are great! This is the fourth gun-mouse I've seen, I used to own a MonsterGecko Pistol Mouse (an optical mouse-gun with a longer baseplate and the sensor right at the front of the baseplate, and a massive scroll wheel that went through the whole mouse body, plus a metal trigger; it was well-built but its secondary button was crammed in into the angle between the bottom of the trigger guard and uncomfortable to press. The sweeping movement took some getting used to. I also had a CyberGun P230 mouse, which was moulded in the shape of an actual P230 pistol if you glued one to the top of an ancient late 80s mouse - it was nicer in the hand than the MonsterGecko, but for some bizarre reason it was a ball mouse, not optical, and of all the real gun's controls it used only the trigger, adding in an extra button below the trigger for a right click. There was also a Zalman mouse based on this concept, but I never had or used that one. Both the ones I did have were quite nice to use in general principles, but overall very disappointing, and I always wanted to see the concept done better. For one thing, nobody who makes these seems to have looked at any actual guns. Many guns are covered in controls (hammer, safety, magazine catch, slide latch are common to most handguns) which are designed specifically to be used in the thick of a gunfight, but every execution of this concept I've seen ignores these controls in favour of adding a right click button below the trigger which prevents you from gripping the thing comfortably. Why? Gun ergonomics are varied but basically always excellent, but nobody bothers to avail themselves of the research and development that gunsmiths did already, much of which is long out of patent or copyright protection. Many for example laud the Colt 1911 as one of the most pleasant to hold guns ever made. Near to the trigger in easy reach of the firing hand it has a hammer which could become a button, magazine release button, a slide latch, and a safety which moves up and down and would be perfect to adapt into a jog switch that functions as a mouse wheel, and all of these could be replicated on both sides of the gun to accomodate left-handed people. Another thing that confuses me is the lack of anything like this from major mouse manufacturers who are actually capable of making things properly and creating ergonomically sound designs with a good standard of fit and finish. Even now that many companies make ergo mice, the insistence on buttons rather than triggers (which are, after all, a time-tested type of control specifically designed for accuracy and minimal movement) when pads have used triggers for some time, makes no sense to me. Any gamer who uses a pad knows how pleasing triggers are, so why aren't they on mice? But having played Red Steel on Wii back in the day...THAT is the way to do gun peripherals. I've heard you can make wiimotes work on PCs but never had any luck trying to do it. Logitech, step the hell up and make this! Another thing - this is far from the first mouse to have haptic feedback, back around 2004 I used to own a Belkin Nostromo mouse which had force feedback. My mother banned me from using it as it made my whole desk vibrate and was audible downstairs!

I love that his hair keeps changing for every shot 😂

the concept is freaking cool, and with some tweaks, more prototypes, more testing, this could be a pretty cool mouse to own

Gun Mouse sounds like the title of the ultimate 90's Saturday morning cartoon.

I hear gun. I see mouse. I click

I used to have a 3M EM550 which is basically this with a more "ergonomic" hand grip and base but the biggest problem was that you couldn't use left and right click at the same time, they were mutually exclusive presses at the top. Makes it basically unusable unless you remap the other buttons to left click and then it became even less useful with less buttons available.

As others have mentioned, imagine if this had higher end materials like adaptive triggers, haptic feedback, metal casing etc. I do think the weight is actually good but it’s not a bad idea on paper but needs better materials and parts to have better execution. Not a bad product but needs a V3

I think this would be amazing! But id like it to be pretty heavy ... Like a good shifter knob. 350g+

This might be the best accidental ergo mouse ever.

I remember back in the 2000s they had one like this before. I think it would be better if they tilted it 45 degrees or so and make the base bigger so it’s more of a hybrid mouse but has the feel of holding a gun. That would be cool.

"It is pretty novel to have something shaped like this in my hand vibrate."

There is a reason that a vertical mouse isn't just straight up and down. I would like to see you test more vertical mouse options. I've been using a delux seeker for a while now and have thoroughly enjoyed it. Once you get adjusted to a good vertical mouse it becomes invisible.

You're doing it again... Why do you have to act like you couldn't care less about whatever you're reviewing?

v3 should use an accelerometer for side to side movement, use a 'safety' for a thumb button and give it its own button assignment. with a scroll wheel just above it. Use an actual trigger like you'd see on an airsoft or paintball gun and maybe something like a switch that has a buckling spring for that tactile sensation. also weight balanced throughout. weight alone means nothing for a design like that if it doesn't have a balanced weight to feel more like you're actually holding one it'll feel wrong. (and maybe get a higher end sensor and such so that it can compete better)

This on a solid base with some really nice switches does have fps-potential. I could see having fun using a mouse like this for shooters.

LGR made a weird mouse review a while back and actually got to use a "Gun Mouse" like this but having an actual gun on top of the handle, and I think it does help with the immersion. And that was like, a very old laser optical mouse,to boot.

Granted the build quality seems to be subpar but the idea has some pretty good heft to it. Make it a lightspeed sensor, increase the weight (a bit) and make the mouse buttons like actual mouse buttons and I would probably only use this for fps games. Also the attachment should be permanent with palmrest and maybe allow movement on the y-axis without it detaching (spring mechanism?) for upward aiming.

The Penguin mouse is a pretty good implementation of a vertical mouse! It took a week or so to get used to, but it’s fantastic for ergonomics.

I had one very similar YEARS ago but the base was a lot longer and the sensor was out towards the front of the base instead of right under the grip. With the sensor further out, you could tilt your wrist left and right to pan left and right instead of it being right under where your fist is. Thought it was a neat idea and wasn't horrible to use. Looks like the company may have been Monster Gecko that made it.

I can't believe enough people looked at the old zalman FG1000 and said "Yes, what we really need is MORE gun mice in the world" that they decided to make this....

reminds me a lot of the Zalman FG1000 Gun Mouse, the thing was so awkward to use but kind fun tbh.

I've got the mx vertical and its great but kinda hard to use as your main gaming mouse. I tend to use it once my hand starts feeling bad from my regular mouse.

3M (like the tape company) makes an ergonomic mouse with a very similar form factor. I’ve been using it for over a year and really enjoy it despite some shortcomings of it

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Thats actually a really interesting concept for a mouse. From an ergo pov. Makes me wonder why popular ergo mice are just vertical regular mice. Instead of something... like... well... this. I think it has potential

I remember having something simiar to this mouse called the FPSGun mouse. I love the way it felt holding it, but still felt cheap.

I've been fascinated by ergo mice/keyboards for a few years now, had plans to do a startup with a shape that looked a bit like this. Glad to see others working on this.

Yes, but does it take Glock mags? 😉

This form factor would make more sense if it was in the style of a tactical AR pistol grip with one of those really thick & wide bottoms. Would be more comfortable and it would fit in with the feedback that the bottom place should be a more permanent/attachable component to allow better gliding and stability.

It's a cute idea that _sounds_ fun. I've had a Zalman FPS mouse for years and never got into it. It's awkward with the big foot sticking out, but mostly as I use a fingertip grip I could never get used to moving my whole arm for up and down, nevermind the lack of accuracy. I haven't thrown it out because it is such a novelty.

man idk what it is, david and dan kill these segments. they're relaxed and funny to boot. Keep up the great work guys!

Makes total sense to me. I need this

I’ve done some Overwatch and Aim Lab with the aforementioned MX Vertical - I agree with David’s assertions that certain flick motions are weird and unintuitive on a vertical mouse. I have no choice but to use one due to nerve issues, but while I saw steady improvement in many of the Aim Labs activities, there were a few where I could never figure out how to reliably get the motion right. As for the fun, I know gaming mice are supposed to be light, but if I’m holding a fake gum that’s supposed to be immersive I want some amount of metal idk.

Novint falcon with a pistol grip, although not a mouse, is probably the best implementation of this that I've seen over the years. And legitimately fun to use.

Perfect "Designed in America , Made in China" product

It would be nice if he would actually use the device before hating on it for 10min. Literally talking about how bad it is to use before he even used it.

This looks pretty cool. Would it work if there were pressure sensors around the grip to move mouse.

Cushion for the glide pad add-on, and make it just a tiny bit longer so it's more stable for all angles. Then, I'd have the handle able to angle 20-30 degrees left or right, and back or forward as well so that you can find your own ergonomic angle. Instead of a smooth handle grip, make it a bit more concave. You don't need to concave for each finger, just do one concave so your hands can rest and squeeze easier. Instead of a tiny scroll wheel, make it a long scroll bar. And yes, give your thumb more buttons. Just make sure the buttons are out of the way of your normal and comfortable grip so there are no accidental presses. For the left and right click/triggers, obviously make them optical with a tactile bump. This way, you could always use the tactile bump as a 'full actuation' in later revisions so you actually could have pseudo-analog triggers. If all these are addressed, I'd happily pay a premium price.

I think V3 should make the included base an integral part that also has a place to add and remove weights. Would help with the light-weight feel but could customize the amount to each player

4:03 The fact it isn't labeled "Vibration" kinda bothers me but not gonna lie you could use it for that too considering the shape.

As someone who uses an MX vertical and a G402 everyday, as well as 2 months trying out the B100, i can confirm that changing hand orientation does take a bit of a learning curve. That said, the MX vertical is by far the most comfortable control device i'e ever used. Non-ergonomic grip on a "ergonomic" device like this really would be a dealbreaker. For the record I have huge hands, but I usually palm grip the G402 with the heel of my palm on the mousepad (which does give tactile movement feedback!).

i still have my Zalman FG-1000 👀 it was fun cuz you would use more of your wrist than just your arm since the sensor is placed further forward. Great vid!

Props for you to push through the review and being objective. Your feelings on the product face value was very apparent. Thanks for the demonstration and your thiughts

If it had a little joystick action it would be great, like about 15-20° of tilt for fine motion control but more like a mouse type (direct location control) rather than game controller type (direction and velocity control) would be the best. And a metal and wood grip like a pistol so it's got a bit more weight and quality feel

Paintball guns with electronic triggers used to use mouse clicking mechanisms behind the trigger so you could get ultra-fast semi-auto shots off. Seems to me they could just take that grip and click trigger, wire a mouse tracking sensor to the bottom, and you'd have the ideal version of this product.

There's been plenty of vertical mice in that general form factor (90 degrees vs. e.g. 57 of the MX Vertical) so I wonder if one of those might be better overall as focused on being a good mouse vs. being A Gun Mouse™.

It would be interesting to see something like this but with a hinge for the vertical aiming and maybe some extra side buttons.

I'm actually really excited for this! I've wanted a gun-shaped mouse for years, but not for "cool gun stuff!" but for ergonomic reasons! I'd INSTANTLY buy one that had a fully attached base and more buttons on the side!

I think a cool alternative to this could be having a motion-tracked actual gun-shaped, i.e. full gun sized controller, like they use for VR, but without the VR, just tracking the "gun" like some Arcade games do in a simpler way for railshooters, that could be an insanely cool novelty shooter device at the very least.

Maybe if it also had either a gyro or a front laser for additional movement, so you can use the bottom sensor for swooping movement and the wrist for tiny adjustments (where you aim UP to look UP, would need a bit of a gimball on the bottom or something).. or just aim at the screen with it like the duck hunt gun =) And I wonder why the top-rear is devoid of useful buttons, could fit at least the secondary click there because the one in the front *seems* awkward.

i use to love using my microsoft sidewinder for playing old fps games. wish more games had joystick control options.

I feel like that a personalized tactile switch or clicky switch would be the best one. Perhaps something calibrated to recreate the feeling of a 1911 trigger, or a glock trigger, considering they are one of the most popular handgun models. They could work on the trigger reset and feedback, and the linearity of it, or even create a real trigger, which should drive people to love the 1911 trigger.

I think with some short travel switches(or just buttons) and maybe like removable grip plates so you could swap to more real gun grips like a 1911 for example it would be something I would be interested. Now if that thumb button was programable to say reload, a low dpi toggle, or anything really it might be a really cool novelty.

I'm instantly reminded of the Novint Falcon. I never saw one of those in the wild but really wanted to try it back in the day. This, though, not so much

This could actually be somewhat useful as an input device for use away from a desk. Think like, presentations or something. Things where you’re standing up.

Probably ship v3 with more platforms that vary in weight and cover a wide radius around the handle, or make it so you can put weights inside

I am glad this exists... one could go crazy, add one for the left hand as well, independently dual wield (if such a game would support that), and add some floor pedals for movement lol. I think people might instinctively want to lift the gun mouse from the surface though. pros and cons for sure. Great video review and looks fun, definitely considering getting one of these.

the click vibrations of a mouse cause slight pain in my finger joints if used for long time, so i was really looking for a mouse which had keyboard style keys rather than buttons, but i would have preferred in the normal mouse form factor

Reminds me of the Pistol Mouse FPS by MonsterGecko, and that was the whole gun not just the handle and came out in 2004. So it's not a 'new' thing as claimed in the video. Even the scroll wheel is in the same place.

I've had the Zalman wired gun mouse for years and part of me loves it because of its potential. It's way to small for my hands and where this ragnok is a bit larger I hoped it would be everything the Zalman was not. It's definitely too small and all of the points raised in this video are accurate and I agree with all of the issues emphasized here. The base is worthless a little magnet is no where near sufficient. Mx blue switches for the trigger is AMAZING but that's really what drew me in and it's not enough to carry this product as is. It needs resizing and a much more substantial base.

this might actually be better ergonomically than a standard mouse because your wrist is meant to go up and down, not really side to side. a lot of ergo mice already do this and im glad something like that has come to a more gaming focused product, even if the implementation isnt the best yet. also it doesnt need a rumble motor. the sensor is nice though good on them for actually not cheaping out

This isn't a new concept. A comparison with the OG is in order. The OG in question, is the Zalman FG-1000

I would say that a heavier more “realistic” feel is a trade-off as your hand will get tired quickly kind of like weighed vs. un-weighted keyboards/pianos. Would it feel like using a grip strengthener?

I would maybe try this out if it also came with a left hand one with a thumb stick for movement and some extra buttons. This seems like more of a half controller than a full mouse replacement

They should make something like the grip on the HK PSG1. It has an integrated hand rest that's adjustable, maybe even add a little padding to it.

I can imagine one more in a form factor like a mouse, hand sideways but still with a wrap around pistol grip.

wishlist for v3 Pro edition: milled aluminium body, proper haptic feedback and 1-2 more sidebuttons/ better placement. Maybe a kalih or omron mouse switch instead of a cherry switch for the trigger

I had a Monstergecko pistol mouse back in the day and was really nice.

I would pay good money for a perfect version of this. If they could make the trigger simulate the break of different firearms, and make the case more premium and true to form it would be very nice

I have wrist issues and I use an MX Ergo vertical mouse for work and I am confident I am just as accurate with it now that I've had the chance to develop the muscle memory as I was with a standard mouse. This seems much akin to that type of mouse but maybe not implemented as well as it could be. This could show some promise though if it was perhaps made in a higher more premium quality. Side note, due to my wrist issues, I actually use a Gameball trackball for gaming and I am much more accurate with that then I have ever been with any regular mouse. I think that is mainly attributed to the fact that moving just your very dextrous fingers for aiming is much more accurate than moving your entire hand/wrist or even arm. There is a steep learning curve with it though and you need to practice for at least 30+ days of heavy gaming to build up the muscle memory. I've been using one for years and I am known for my headshot abilities in competitive shooters amongst my friends now.

I think premium materials/buttons and a couple side/thumb buttons to compete with more competitive mice would make this great I believe they need to integrate the bottom pad tho and maybe even have it go all the way around the grip with a full glide pad and the experience would probably be as good as it can get🤷‍♂️ if it was polished in that way I would probably pick one up NGL but as of now seems a little floppy flimsy like

man the last time i saw a gun mouse was the zalman FPS GUN, brings me back!

I would of just gotten those ergo tilt mice but with its buttons curved around itself to mimic a trigger so you can pull your finger instead of clicking. still stilly but thats the closest i can think of that can mimic a shooting grip better. disappointed that there wasnt rechargeable batteries that you reload as "actual" mags. that would of been an on point gimmick. would match that reloadable box cutter from Austin Evans looked at that reloads like an actual mag.

I LOVED the old ZM-FG1000 from Zalman! Similar concept just all in all better a good 10 or more years ago now. Shame you can't find them ANYWHERE anymore...

I think with some practice, you could be just as good. I use an mx vertical mouse 40+ hours a week. Doing CAD and other work took some getting used to, but I haven't noticed it in several years.

Studies have shown that while vertical mice reduce arm strain, they are substantially worse for any speed or accuracy-dependant tasks. I've used one for work at length but struggled to ever make use of one in a game

The moveable palm guard is a feature!!! Had it been permanently in place you wouldn't be able to lift and maneuver the mouse comfortably because the back edge would catch the table.

I have the OG one. its goos in concept but is bad because of the triggers and form factor. this is better being just a handle, bit it should be just an air mouse instead.

probably be better if it had more of the gun built out. could put the scroll wheel at the slide release location and an extra button at the mag release

I have the Zalman Fps Gun mouse. It's a similar mouse but better design and high quality. Fun to use. My Dad, who is 78 uses it now. Not for gaming though, regular computer use

when i bought Unreal Tournament 3, it came with a Gun Mouse, it is mostly plastic, pretty unconfortable, but i liked it so much, i still have it in it's original box on display on my shelve

From watching you play, it seems that a moving up and down is an actual problem, what if they made a tiny gyroscope and added a little bit of tilt to the handle from the base to allow for some up and down movement, just a little to allow for faster reflexes (like using gyroscope in phone fps to quilckly adjust aim on the go then change aim with touch screen after)

I'm used to the vertical mouse shape after using them for years. Way prefer them now. This is a cool idea.

Cool idea would be if they added the ability to add weights like a magazine. Idk how feasible it would be considering that where the optics are but it would be a cool idea.

could by nice build part for mimicking weaponry in VR space. Would be perfect for glove type VR controllers.

i really like the idea. i hope thell upgrade it so soon

I feel like it should've had like a mouse 4 button where the hammer would've been or where the clip/magazine release would've been on a real pistol that you could bind as your reload.

The triggers where my favorite part of that gun mouse. Other than that it is a POS. Tried many vertical mice for gaming. On the T-50 Zelotes atm, best vertical mouse ive tried.

I want from this a version with a base that it can move on half a meter or whatever it needs pretty precisely

If they made it more of a flared bottom like in a compition pistol, made it weigh about as much as a g604 and i think make the left click trigger an adjustable trigger like on the xbox pro controller it would be really cool for something like Sniper Ghost warrior